The idea that women regularly use their sexual wiles to gain control over men has long been central to the Men’s Rights Movement.
In the seminal MRA tome The Myth of Male Power, Warren Farrell famously declared that secretaries have “miniskirt power, cleavage power and flirtation power” over their male bosses; the latest edition of his book features a shapely female posterior on the cover, sans clothing, to illustrate what he sees as the immense power women can exert over men with, well, their butts.
In the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one Reddit MGTOW takes Farrell’s argument one sickening step further, seeming to suggest that women use this sexy power of theirs to “intice” [sic] men to, well, rape them.
As High-Fruit-Trinity sees it, women have
used men’s nature against them.
They called men pigs & date-rapists. But they were the CAUSE
Of male piggishness and … rape?
They have entire industries just for women to be more beautiful, inticing and sexy. They’re taught everything about manipulating men. Men aren’t taught anything.
Women got away with this because they are the perceived victims, and you shouldn’t blame the victim. So who do you blame?
I dunno, dude, when a man acts like a pig to women, I blame him. When a man rapes a woman, I blame him. Who do you blame, Mr. High-Fruit-Trinity? Do you actually see rape survivors as the real “CAUSE” of rape, and the rapists themselves as the victims?
Apparently so. In a followup comment in the thread, High-Fruit-Trinity approvingly quotes a comment from a Washington Post reader about a famous political sex scandal.
“let’s acknowledge that women also play a role in soliciting sexual attention. Think about John Edwards and Rielle Hunter and how all the blame is focused on Edwards. She could easily cry “sexual harrassment!” as a causative factor; why isn’t a charge of “sexual enticement” just as accurately applied to the situation? “
It’s a bizarre question to ask about Edwards and Hunter, given that no one was accusing Edwards of sexually harassing her; the two had a consensual affair. But MRAs and MGTOWs seem to have some trouble understanding the difference between sexual harassment and mutual sexual attraction, as well as between consensual sex and rape.
In any case, the logic here is pretty clear: in High-Fruit-Trinity’s mind, whenever a man harasses or rapes or does anything sexual to a woman that she doesn’t consent to, it’s her fault, not his, because she must have “enticed” him into doing it.
Basically, this is blame-the-victim on steroids. And yet another reason so many people wish that the so-called Men Going Their Own Way would indeed go wherever it is they are allegedly going, the further away from the rest of us the better.
Oh, absolutely. Unfortunately, when you hand over license to steal to the common people, a dozen more sensible voices aren’t going to be able to prevent some damage. I visited Egypt in 1977, and have never run into such painstakingly honest people in my whole life. I mistook a ten pound bill for a 1 pound bill (.1 in Arabic means 10 in our numbers) and some kid chased our bus two kilometers to give us our change. And so on. Just a few years later, how things had changed. Sunni acquaintances told me that while they of course rejected Khomeini’s authority as a Shiite, that they “found his reasoning sound.” 🙁
I don’t know, but it’s either that or the brand-new zealotry of a very recent convert.
The pretentiousness of the “of human wankery” style is making my eyes glaze over, and adds nothing new to my education, as I’ve seen/heard everything Petra has written before.
Not real sure what Petra is hoping to achieve here, because this blog Tracks And Mocks Misogyny, but whatever.
@Petra
It actually sounds like the women of Nigeria, with the right kind of support, will be the key to dealing with the problem of radicalisation themselves. Good luck to them. I think they’ve probably had enough white saviours in Africa to last a thousand lifetimes.
But… are you suggesting that a terrorist group has only started attacking and raping women because no-one in the west was giving them enough attention when they ‘only’ killed men? That there is no history in warfare of women being sexually assaulted or kidnapped except when it might get noticed by people on the internet?
Oh, dear. This is a piss-poor argument.
Are you quite sure that Boko Haram’s main aim is getting themselves in the western media and inciting twitter campaigns against themselves?
I thought they might be trying to build a particular type of autocratic state in a region of a country that had previously suffered colonialism, civil war, and military dictatorships, myself.
What do I know? I’m just a frigging cannibalistic plig-daddy enabler. With no testicles, according to John Galt. And I’m going home in 5 minutes so if you are going to reply, please do so quickly. I still need you to translate the insult for me.
Wank wank wank fap fap fap.
Ban it now.
Jesus. I go to bed and wake up to
Okay. So, just to be clear, you think the burden is on us to refute your wild-ass accusations that we a) are each and every one of us sadists who b) only care about the sexual abuse of boys when it allows us to score political points, c) laugh and gloat about suppressing the voices of male abuse victims, and d) maliciously edit Karen Straughan out of things (?????) and not on you to back any of that up. When you make things up and then present the things you made up as fact, that’s what’s called lying.
Why are we being accused of deleting GWW from Wikipedia? That came out of nowhere.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she was deleted as a citation because she’s not an academic or news source. But what does that have to do with us?
I’m also not sure what this has to do with MGTOW saying women are to be blamed for rape if they’re sexy.
And why does the Pumpkineater keep bringing up Eve Ensler? Have we ever discussed Eve Ensler here?
We have several people here, myself included, who were actually raped while male. If the commentariat were gloating and celebrating the rape of boys and men, I’d be way the fuck out of here immediately.
Sheesh, I go away for a few hours to maintain some legacy code, and the page just fills up.
@Petra:
From what you’ve said, it sounds as if you believe that it is, yes.
Dan talked about his experiences volunteering, showing what an awesome person he is.
You said:
Dan’s statement didn’t gender the people he was working with, or the people that abused them. He talked about volunteering in general terms. You immediately responded by asking him about gender, assuming that because he didn’t mention female abusers (and by implication male victims) then he must be claiming that there aren’t any.
This is a very good example of a what-about-the-menz.
The groups we’re jumping on aren’t talking about systemic abuse of men and boys, at least not in ways that help them. A Voice For Men, for example, goes out of their way to advocate for policies that harm men, for example suggesting that it should be easier for fathers to abandon their sons.
The people I know who’ve spoken about men’s issues in the most powerful way – for example Ally Fogg – are generally very happy to also talk about womens’ issues, and to agree that the majority of sufferers are female. Likewise, many of these people are feminists or feminist-adjacent. While Fogg (last I checked) chooses not to identify as a feminist, he does so out of respect for feminism and a desire not to have male voices leading it.
If you’ve done any, then you probably have. The only volunteering I do regularly these days is tutoring. The gender issues in that one are interesting in their own right, but that’s a digression.
Tasteful.
@Alan
Doom could also be used, if one felt like it. And bull could probably be stretched to fit as well.
My pardon. I did not understand this thread to be an informatinve exploration of violence against women, otherwise I never would have brought these issues up in this thread. Violence by women and violence against men in no way diminishes our society’s need to deal with violence by men and against women.
Please, carry on.
@ dalillama
I was a bit disappointed to find out the Pope didn’t actually have a pack of bovine enforcers.
I started reading to catch up on the thread when I saw 2 more pages of it, but Petra is such a spammy spammer that I can’t be fucked to read more than 2 or 3 posts by this person.
Go away, Petra. Take a break from the Internet and a few breaths and stop posting every 2 fucking minutes.
@Petra
I recommend you try arguing with one person at a time. I’ve been arguing for what I support as a pastime for twenty years and I try to avoid going over three people as a matter of tolerance and control.
It’s an instinct and a skill as complex as any physical martial art. I’ve used a comparison to grappling many times.
@Petra Pumpkineater
Those are some interestingly detailed lies.
Reader, she’s making this up. All of it.
@Petrie-dish of piss, go away. After reading your outlandish attack on Dan a few pages back I would just like to wish you to step on many legos for attacking a teacher and accusing him of cognitive dissonance. (WTF??!!!) As a secondary teacher myself you make yourself sound naive and condescending at the same time, quite a feat. You obviously have no idea of the workload and extra time that we put in working with students who have suffered in every way imaginable, harrowing abuse of neglect, emotional, physical and sexual abuse. It matters not which sex the child is. This is reality. Where children–neigh whole families– fall through the cracks in a system which is buckling at the seams from a lack of infrastructure and money, nothing to do with cognitive dissonance – Fuck. You.
this is a funny article
Petra:
“My pardon. I did not understand this thread to be an informatinve exploration of violence against women, otherwise I never would have brought these issues up in this thread.”
So in other words she didn’t read the article before posting? Trolls are weird.
……just peeking in for another bout of lulz; in between getting stuff done and maintaining the very society and civilization that allows you less-then-useless leeches to spend all of your time here, being professional victims and outrage whores.
But dont let me interrupt: Please, carry on doing uh, whatever the hell is it that you do? Oh right, letting your armpit hair grow, dyeing each other’s hair to a bright pink and purple vomit, and screaming “muh vaginaaaaa” at random, Tourette’s-like intervals.
@ john galt
That’s very kind of you. What exactly is it that you do? I’d like to make sure I express the correct level of gratitude.
LOL John Galt, you ignorant slut.
LindsayRaylene:
Thats a HALF truth!!! 😉
@John Galt
I’m not here because I want attention or anything b-baka
DO I SMELL A MOTHERFUCKER