The idea that women regularly use their sexual wiles to gain control over men has long been central to the Men’s Rights Movement.
In the seminal MRA tome The Myth of Male Power, Warren Farrell famously declared that secretaries have “miniskirt power, cleavage power and flirtation power” over their male bosses; the latest edition of his book features a shapely female posterior on the cover, sans clothing, to illustrate what he sees as the immense power women can exert over men with, well, their butts.
In the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one Reddit MGTOW takes Farrell’s argument one sickening step further, seeming to suggest that women use this sexy power of theirs to “intice” [sic] men to, well, rape them.
As High-Fruit-Trinity sees it, women have
used men’s nature against them.
They called men pigs & date-rapists. But they were the CAUSE
Of male piggishness and … rape?
They have entire industries just for women to be more beautiful, inticing and sexy. They’re taught everything about manipulating men. Men aren’t taught anything.
Women got away with this because they are the perceived victims, and you shouldn’t blame the victim. So who do you blame?
I dunno, dude, when a man acts like a pig to women, I blame him. When a man rapes a woman, I blame him. Who do you blame, Mr. High-Fruit-Trinity? Do you actually see rape survivors as the real “CAUSE” of rape, and the rapists themselves as the victims?
Apparently so. In a followup comment in the thread, High-Fruit-Trinity approvingly quotes a comment from a Washington Post reader about a famous political sex scandal.
“let’s acknowledge that women also play a role in soliciting sexual attention. Think about John Edwards and Rielle Hunter and how all the blame is focused on Edwards. She could easily cry “sexual harrassment!” as a causative factor; why isn’t a charge of “sexual enticement” just as accurately applied to the situation? “
It’s a bizarre question to ask about Edwards and Hunter, given that no one was accusing Edwards of sexually harassing her; the two had a consensual affair. But MRAs and MGTOWs seem to have some trouble understanding the difference between sexual harassment and mutual sexual attraction, as well as between consensual sex and rape.
In any case, the logic here is pretty clear: in High-Fruit-Trinity’s mind, whenever a man harasses or rapes or does anything sexual to a woman that she doesn’t consent to, it’s her fault, not his, because she must have “enticed” him into doing it.
Basically, this is blame-the-victim on steroids. And yet another reason so many people wish that the so-called Men Going Their Own Way would indeed go wherever it is they are allegedly going, the further away from the rest of us the better.
@John Galt
A fake activist.
The indolent mgtow says.
No one is surprised.
Gonna repost so it’s (somewhat) easier to read.
Response 3, which is why I chose this particular topic, because it’s so cute when they start to play sooperseckrit spy games:
@ lindsayirene
I am willing to risk the slaps.
@LindsayIrene
Speak for yourself. I like to put on airs, so I prefer the fancy $1.75 beers.
Or rum and coke. Also hard cider. Fireball. Red wine. Rum’s nice too.
Maybe I should drink a little less.
We have a bar down the street that has pints drafts of Rolling Rock for a buck every day. It’s glorious.
Minimum drink prices here are C$2.75 for a bottle of beer. It’s intended to keep rowdiness down, though I have no idea if it actually works. Usually I count myself lucky if I can find a pint for $5.
I wouldn’t hate it if one of the commenters here included that in their name.
It always cracks me up when trolls do this. They know they’d get their asses handed to them if they tried to actually debate us anything so their only recourse is to beg to be banned. Then they can go back to whatever bridge they crawled out from under from and brag about how we couldn’t handle their mighty truths. I vote for not banning Galtiepoo. He just wants to be banned too badly.
I thought that one of the major MRA issues was supposed to be male suicide? A lot of men don’t seek help for their mental health issues because there is such a stigma around both mental illness and men asking for help. Without treatment, a lot of men unfortunately resort to suicide. Now all of your posts here are about how mentally ill people aren’t worth talking to, real men don’t complain about their problems, etc. Don’t you think your attitude is actually harmful to men struggling with suicidal thoughts?
@Viscaria
Due to recent liquor law changes, minimum pricing here (BC) for a bottle is $3 CDN and a 20oz pint is $5. This change was tied in with “happy hour” being made legal again, and large restaurant groups lobbied to implement the minimum price so the lower-end bars couldn’t undercut them by as much.
Some bars still get away with selling for cheaper though; most of the dive-y bars are super old and often get grandfathered into previous regulations, so I can still find a pint of AGD for $3.50 ($13 pitcher) if I don’t mind a brutal headache the next day.
ETA: Generally though, gonna be paying ~$5 for a can/bottle, ~$6 for a sleeve, and $6.50+ for a pint.
All in all: I prefer to buy my booze at the liquor store.
@WWTH: Of course that attitude is shitty to men with mental illnesses. So’s the “REAL men” this and “REAL men” that bullshit. The only men they give a shit about is the ones that fit neatly into their little cishet white anti-feminist male box. All other men don’t matter to them and therefore aren’t the audience for their “activism”, but instead they’re targets. I.e. What Galt just said to Brony.
“Activism” indeed.
But we’re feminists, so everything we say is wrong to Galt and his ilk. They are the heroes their so-called “real men” deserve in their own little fantasy world.
Because reasons.
@Viscaria
I too am unclear on why John Galt is here. I mean, why is he LITERALLY here?
Red wine. Red wine is my biggest vice these days. People expect me to drink boxed wine because I’m trailer trash, but I won’t any more. If I finish up a bottle, I realize that it’s time to stop drinking. With one of those big Franzia boxes, there’s no “stop drinking” signal.
@ lindsayirene
If you take the actual bag out of the box it’s called “milking the silver cow”. 🙂
@Alan
I have a friend group who calls it “Slap Bag” as it is customary to slap the bag before taking a drink. For… good luck? I guess? I’m not entirely clear on that part.
Carlo Rossi big jug-o-wine for the win!
(Slap bag and milking the silver cow, lmao)
Boxed wine has an unfair reputation IMO. Franzia is crap but all boxed wines are not Franzia. Black Box and Bota Box are really good. I like to get boxed wine because I take the bus and it’s way more convenient to buy boxed. 4 bottles would be a pain.
Wine is also my main vice. That and cheese.
Wow he uses the same argumentation as some muslim men do when they force women to wear the hijab
It can’t possibly be a coincidence that this troll showed up in the same rapidly aging thread that John Galt has been necroing. I’m not saying they’re the same person. Just that they run in the same misogynist troll circles.
@Linax54
Wow in comes the bigot who just a while ago spammed their hateful buzzwords. It’d be insulting if they thought no one would notice.
Linax54,
Go away. You will not find allies here if you bash women because they choose to wear a hijab, especially after your frothy diatribe on the JB’s thread.
After all, we’re feminist degenerates, according to you. Galt’s shit is what you aligned yourself with. Enjoy our mocking.
There are purses that are made specifically to hold the bags from box wines. The purses have holes for the spigot.
I filled a camelbak with wine once. Don’t recommend it. Like drinking it from a hot water bottle.
Omg, that is so cool, LindsayIrene! I want, and I don’t even know why!
Also, it’s not exactly performance enhancing…
https://imgur.com/a/3TFrX
Yes, because all Muslim men force ALL women to wear the hijab.
Clearly we have been blind to this fact before Linax used their Racist Stereotypes degree from Assfax U to enlighten us.
Yay.
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Red wine is my favourite, but as I have the alcohol tolerance of an embarrassed gerbil and can’t possibly finish a bottle in a single night even with help, I’ll only drink it if I’m okay with committing myself to having wine for the next three days. Usually I’ll grab a beer instead.
If it’s a special occasion and we’re heading out somewhere, I will drink cocktails, because they’re delicious and I’m way too lazy to ever make them myself.