The idea that women regularly use their sexual wiles to gain control over men has long been central to the Men’s Rights Movement.
In the seminal MRA tome The Myth of Male Power, Warren Farrell famously declared that secretaries have “miniskirt power, cleavage power and flirtation power” over their male bosses; the latest edition of his book features a shapely female posterior on the cover, sans clothing, to illustrate what he sees as the immense power women can exert over men with, well, their butts.
In the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one Reddit MGTOW takes Farrell’s argument one sickening step further, seeming to suggest that women use this sexy power of theirs to “intice” [sic] men to, well, rape them.
As High-Fruit-Trinity sees it, women have
used men’s nature against them.
They called men pigs & date-rapists. But they were the CAUSE
Of male piggishness and … rape?
They have entire industries just for women to be more beautiful, inticing and sexy. They’re taught everything about manipulating men. Men aren’t taught anything.
Women got away with this because they are the perceived victims, and you shouldn’t blame the victim. So who do you blame?
I dunno, dude, when a man acts like a pig to women, I blame him. When a man rapes a woman, I blame him. Who do you blame, Mr. High-Fruit-Trinity? Do you actually see rape survivors as the real “CAUSE” of rape, and the rapists themselves as the victims?
Apparently so. In a followup comment in the thread, High-Fruit-Trinity approvingly quotes a comment from a Washington Post reader about a famous political sex scandal.
“let’s acknowledge that women also play a role in soliciting sexual attention. Think about John Edwards and Rielle Hunter and how all the blame is focused on Edwards. She could easily cry “sexual harrassment!” as a causative factor; why isn’t a charge of “sexual enticement” just as accurately applied to the situation? “
It’s a bizarre question to ask about Edwards and Hunter, given that no one was accusing Edwards of sexually harassing her; the two had a consensual affair. But MRAs and MGTOWs seem to have some trouble understanding the difference between sexual harassment and mutual sexual attraction, as well as between consensual sex and rape.
In any case, the logic here is pretty clear: in High-Fruit-Trinity’s mind, whenever a man harasses or rapes or does anything sexual to a woman that she doesn’t consent to, it’s her fault, not his, because she must have “enticed” him into doing it.
Basically, this is blame-the-victim on steroids. And yet another reason so many people wish that the so-called Men Going Their Own Way would indeed go wherever it is they are allegedly going, the further away from the rest of us the better.
This guy doesn’t understand what rape is. He can’t if he thinks being attractive is a bigger crime than rape, sexual attraction and sexual assault.
If men and boys can’t control themselves then they shouldn’t be able to control entire countries let alone drive.
And also what about men and boys who have been raped? The elderly? Kids? And animals? (Yes I did say animals)
And what about women and girls who have been falsely accused? I been falsely accused by guys and so have women and girls in my life but we still believe them when they say they have been abused and raped. The only people who are afraid of accusations are rapists and abusers.
These always beg the question: how dangerous are these anonymous people? Are they just sneering behind computers or emboldened enough to act on this stuff?
So true. To be afraid of accusations is the sign of a guilty conscience. Most people, when they get accused of stuff, will laugh it off. It’s nothing. You can be accused of anything by anyone at any time.
Axecalibur! I accuse you of plotting to usurp the bishopric of Udina!
dreemr! I accuse you of scheming to add an extra electron to every hydrogen atom!
Penny Psmith! I accuse you of rigging the international pet market in order to make a fortune on marmoset futures!
I just made three accusations. Was the act of making those accusations worse than the crimes in question? Of course not.
EJ, I accuse you of being a rather dashing and extravagantly attractive, dapper ne’er-do-well who steals the hearts of innocent people and uses them as your playthings. 😀
This is about false accusations, Francesca.
*badum tish*
@LindsayIrene
Oh, dear.
[goes to the back of the queue]
The guys that sexually assaulted me claimed that i asked for it because I have big tits. Hiw dare a junior high girl have the audacity to go through puberty.
Francesca, I accuse you of being no fun.
Now that’s a false accusation.
But EJ, didn’t you actually “intice” Axecalibur, dreemr, and Penny Psmith into doing that stuff by being all interesting and literate and online?
Clearly, you’re the one responsible for their actions; to claim otherwise is rank misandry!
/s
@LindsayIrene
I dunno, friend. I’ve had a lot of cishet white dudes say I’m not fun because I don’t think saying the n-word is funny and don’t laugh at jokes that go “SO A JEW AND A BLACK MAN WALK INTO A BAR….” or “WHAT DID THE ASIAN WOMAN SAY TO THE SHRIMP?”
You may be onto something. [/s]
To all the people who have been abused, assaulted and raped including LindsayIrene
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There is not enough gifs in the world for how I feel
…or wait, is it the Bishop of Udina that “inticed” Axecalibur; the shifty hydrogen atom that “inticed” dreemr; and those soft, fluffy marmosets that “inticed” Penny Psmith?
Geez, Men’s Rights is hard…
@Gaebolga:
I didn’t entice anyone into anything that they didn’t enthusiastically consent to. They’re responsible for their own actions.
As to the diamond theft on the TransAndean express, I was elsewhere at the time and you can’t prove otherwise.
@LindsayIrene:
That’s awful. All my hugs.
Well, this is a relief. Now when I steal Mr High-Fruit-Trinity’s car, he can’t blame me. After all there it sits, all washed and polished, making sexy suggestive engine noises in my direction. He clearly wants me to take it!
LindsayIrene: I’m sorry.
Warren Ferrel is not wearing a protective suit so therefore he wants to be beaten up and killed, logic!
Adding my voice to support LindsayIrene.
That’s totally fucking terrible and I’m sorry you had to endure such a thing.
General Factotum: You know, I think you might be on to something, here. Let’s take it a step further:
If having something (such as a vagina) which is attractive to others (such as rapist men) is sufficient to provoke them to commit crimes, then we come to the following question:
How dare these men hoard power and wealth and influence to such a degree that the women are forced to use wiles to put the men in compromising situations they could then falsely claim are harassment and/or rape?
@LindsayIrene
My condolences.
Including the necessity of treating women as fellow human beings and not raping us apparently.
I saw an MGTOW video on youtube ages ago and the young man said that MGTOW don’t want to hurt women – they just want to live their lives. He was either lying, or is the only MGTOW who doesn’t appear to want to hurt women in some way.
I have raised 2 boys to manhood and I know how sweet and nice young men can be. When I read about men like this I am disgusted and mortified.
This is hilarious:
https://twitter.com/GarbageApe/status/859749299986604032
Well, I’ve been a man for many years now, and I know how nice I try to be to people is apparently “unusual” in the minds of MGTOWs. Many try to come up with reasons WHY I might be being nice, like maybe I’m trying to get in someone’s pants. No, really, that’s not it. (For one, it hasn’t worked yet *ha*) There’s definitely a part of me that has trouble socially, so a lot of “be nice” is because I don’t want to deal with the awkwardness that comes from being an ass.
I swear, a bunch of these men could do so much better if they stopped with the ass creep behavior, and were nice to people for a change.
Yanno, I’m pretty sick and tired of these guys whining about how the MGTOW “philosophy is a lifestyle” when all they do is complain about how terrible women are and how women are the cause of all of their problems.
Seriously, shut up, and live your fucking lives already! Don’t want to date? Don’t date! Don’t want to think about women? Stop writing and obsessing about them 24/7! Want to go your own way? FUCKING GO!!
MrsObedMarsh:
Who in the fuck thinks of their daughter that way??!?
Oh, yeah. A guy by the name of RiseFromTheShit. (S/B RiseFromTheShitForBrains)
What a malignant way of looking at his daughter.