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Women use their sexy wiles to entice men into raping them, MGTOW suggests

Woman manipulating man with handkerchief, butt

The idea that women regularly use their sexual wiles to gain control over men has long been central to the Men’s Rights Movement.

In the seminal MRA tome The Myth of Male Power, Warren Farrell famously declared that secretaries have “miniskirt power, cleavage power and flirtation power” over their male bosses; the latest edition of his book features a shapely female posterior on the cover, sans clothing, to illustrate what he sees as the immense power women can exert over men with, well, their butts.

In the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one Reddit MGTOW takes Farrell’s argument one sickening step further, seeming to suggest that women use this sexy power of theirs to “intice” [sic] men to, well, rape them.

As High-Fruit-Trinity sees it, women have

used men’s nature against them.

They called men pigs & date-rapists. But they were the CAUSE

Of male piggishness and … rape?

They have entire industries just for women to be more beautiful, inticing and sexy. They’re taught everything about manipulating men. Men aren’t taught anything.

Women got away with this because they are the perceived victims, and you shouldn’t blame the victim. So who do you blame?

I dunno, dude, when a man acts like a pig to women, I blame him. When a man rapes a woman, I blame him. Who do you blame, Mr. High-Fruit-Trinity? Do you actually see rape survivors as the real “CAUSE” of rape, and the rapists themselves as the victims?

Apparently so. In a followup comment in the thread, High-Fruit-Trinity approvingly quotes a comment from a Washington Post reader about a famous political sex scandal.

“let’s acknowledge that women also play a role in soliciting sexual attention. Think about John Edwards and Rielle Hunter and how all the blame is focused on Edwards. She could easily cry “sexual harrassment!” as a causative factor; why isn’t a charge of “sexual enticement” just as accurately applied to the situation? “

It’s a bizarre question to ask about Edwards and Hunter, given that no one was accusing Edwards of sexually harassing her; the two had a consensual affair. But MRAs and MGTOWs seem to have some trouble understanding the difference between sexual harassment and mutual sexual attraction, as well as between consensual sex and rape.

In any case, the logic here is pretty clear: in High-Fruit-Trinity’s mind, whenever a man harasses or rapes or does anything sexual to a woman that she doesn’t consent to, it’s her fault, not his, because she must have “enticed” him into doing it.

Basically, this is blame-the-victim on steroids. And yet another reason so many people wish that the so-called Men Going Their Own Way would indeed go wherever it is they are allegedly going, the further away from the rest of us the better.

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ ptti

I am befuddled

One cannot have a debate

Ok, what do you want to debate? State a proposition, provide the evidence you say supports that and, if I disagree, I’ll respond.

(If it assists, my favourite topics: women can’t fight, incels aren’t wankers, and MGTOWs genuinely are going their own way.)

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
3 years ago

When do you see repubs burning down their neighborhood stores, assaulting innocents and looting in the name of demonstration?

When they’re pushing through bills.

(Since there’s no way you have the intelligence to understand metaphors, I’m talking about their Randian hyper-capitalism killing small businesses, their so-called “Health care” policies killing the poor and their supervillain-esque corruption killing democracy itself.)

Citizen Rat
Citizen Rat
3 years ago

“*Insults* *Insults* *Flat out admits is here to cause anger*”

“Why can’t we have an honest debate? So much for the ‘Tolerant Left’!”

You’re not just a troll, but really bad at it, too.

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo

He wants a debaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate.

Second verse, same as the first.sock puppet gif

http://i.imgur.com/m8gVKpR.gif

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ lindsayirene

Second verse, same as the first.

“A little bit louder and a little bit worse!”

Heh, that’s brought back happy memories of annoying school bus drivers.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Seriously, I am befuddled

Yes, we know.

Tippy, you’re not here to debate.

You’re here to be an asshole.

You barged in here insulting us.

You do not get to claim victimization.

If you were any more transparent, we could stick you into a frame and use you as a window.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

We’re mocking Tippy toes and he thinks he’s rattled us? That’s adorable.

Tippy, if you want a debate, put forth an argument and support it. Someone will probably indulge you. So far I haven’t seen anything come from you that’s worth debating.

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@putthetwitin
Ordinarily I take great joy in ripping apart ridiculous Randists, but you’re really fucking boring, and I’ve got stuff to do. Be a good little crypto-fascist and go away, would you?

Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
Francesca Torpedo, Femoid Special Forces Major
3 years ago

“hurr durr im gunna flex my debate skills”

I have grown to intensely dislike anyone who ‘debates’ on the internet these days, anyone else feel this way?

It’s hard for me not to just be all like “Fuck you,” to these master Internet debaters.

Viscaria the Cheese Hog
Viscaria the Cheese Hog
3 years ago

Sorry Snowflakes (should that be capitalized?)

No. Also, you need a comma before snowflakes, to indicate direct address.

I’m afraid I can’t help you with the rest of your comment, as I stopped reading there.

cornychips
cornychips
3 years ago

I like how Tipin mentioned how people were making fun of us. Like oh no! The cool kids at school are talking about me. I hope it doesn’t ruin my rep before the big dance!!

I didn’t think a 329 yr old engineer that lived on the beach with their totally real girlfriend, hunting seagulls all day, gave a shit about such popularity bullshit.

Color me impressed!

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

So, the people making fun of us are who now? John Galt and maybe two or three other MGTOW probably. Since they both seem to think that our mild mockery of them means we’re having some sort of emotional breakdowns over them, that seems to be it.

The “haha, you’re so emotional and triggered!” shit only works when at least one other person is upset or angry though. So I don’t know why they keep trying it. It takes at least a little skill to successfully gaslight and neither Galt or Tip possess that skill.

IgnoreSandra
IgnoreSandra
3 years ago

@WWTH

It takes at least a little skill to successfully gaslight

In a public setting like this, it also takes collusion from other group members. And none of us are down with gaslighting.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

Holy cow:

https://www.themarysue.com/update-on-the-gop-red-pill-creator/

The guy who started the Red Pill forum has resigned from his position in the NH state house.

ETA: Sorry if this isn’t the best thread to share this news, but better this than playing bakklewheep with Tippy?

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo

The guy who started the Red Pill forum has resigned from his position in the NH state house.

http://i.imgur.com/GEUFiTG.gif

John Galt
3 years ago

The most tragic part of the comedy that is this site, is that not only is are all the posters who identify as feminists in need of serious, deep psychological evaluation; its also that there is a disturbing (well, any number above 0 is disturbing) amount of what seems to be men here. Spouting their ad-hominem attacks at anything that isnt in immediate and total agreement with their twisted and horrific world-view.

You are bringing down society. You are killing birth rates in first world countries. You are doing nothing but throwing sticks at the cogs of the machine that provides the very life and freedoms you take such disrespectful advantage of.

Your cutting off your proverbial noses to spite your face.

Once we men (fingers crossed) have had enough, we will eventually put down the matriarchal society we birthed unintentionally with the terrible decision to allow women to vote. I hope to see this in my lifetime.

Women will go back to being women, men to being men. If gender roles are such a problem for feminists, why dont we see hordes of women coal miners?

Garbage pickup workers?
Oil rig workers?
ANY high risk profession?

Its because women are wired to love safety. The safety of a loving home, provided by a male that works hard and may risk his life on the daily to provide comforts for his children and wife.

…AND SOMEHOW you found a way to complain about that. Archetypes arent a ‘social construct’; they are how the human race (well, and every organism above single-cell) got to where we are today.

Feminism is cancer. It is a terrible mental disease that is being pushed by a globalist cabal that wants to destroy the family (its already working here), with deluded, bored, ugly and fat females as its foot soldiers. This is also why religion is being eliminated. The govt wants everyone dependent on the state, which is just fine for most women, although they will still complain about it.

The whole thing, honestly, just makes me really sad. But that doesnt stop me from literally getting laid like a rock star, succeeding on my own merits in life, and doing everything i can to help my poor brothers that have been broken by the matriarchal system all of you love. I have zero hate in my heart, have never raised a hand to a woman, and i think immigration is just fine, provided a total assimilation to our society and laws.

…but somehow im the bad guy.

…commence hate!

IgnoreSandra
IgnoreSandra
3 years ago

@Troll

Translation:

“I am literally the worst person. See me be so edgy and necromance! Be intimidated! Be intimidated! I beg you, please, be intimidated by me. I literally have nothing else in my life, and am trying not to comprehend how funny and pathetic I am to you.”

Ban him, this is long over.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Galty Gear

there is a disturbing (well, any number above 0 is disturbing) amount of what seems to be men here

What can I say, Papa Bear likes his chairs hard 😛

You are killing birth rates in first world countries

Good

Once we men (fingers crossed) have had enough

Of these muthafuckin snakes on this muthafuckin plane?

Women will go back to being women, men to being men

Where’s the fun in that?

deluded, bored, ugly and fat females as its foot soldiers

1st round draft picks

But that doesnt stop me from literally getting laid like a rock star

On a rhino’s dose of narcotics and with girls who swear they’re 18?

…but somehow im the bad guy

Somehow…

…commence hate!

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PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

What is it with libertarians? They claim to love liberty and freedom and hate intervention. Yet they so often want to go back to the time when the government was disenfranchising women. They love freedom but they want women to be enslaved by men.

It’s almost like they just want the freedom to oppress other people! Shocking revelation, I know.

Citizen Rat
Citizen Rat
3 years ago

Once we men (fingers crossed) have had enough, we will eventually put down the matriarchal society we birthed unintentionally with the terrible decision to allow women to vote. I hope to see this in my lifetime.

“We men”? Hate to break it to ya, kiddo, but we men (along with women and everyone in the entire gender spectrum) have actually had enough of the sad worldview you cling to. We’re all moving forward while you’re staying behind. This is what makes you angry and it’s the reason you’re on this site trying to pick a fight, only to find yourself being laughed at.

I hope (fingers crossed) that you’ll soon realize how you’re being sold the same old lies repackaged as something slick and cool.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ John Galt

succeeding on my own merits in life

Indulge me please; how do you make your living?

You see, I find it difficult to comprehend how anyone these days can survive without at least some outside assistance. How did you pay for your education for example? State provision, wealthy parents? If you did indeed fund your way through school by, for example, sweeping chimneys, then obviously I’ll be impressed.

And how do you function in the present? I note you’re currently using the Internet. You’ll no doubt know that the original DARPAnet was a publicly funded initiative paid for, ultimately, through taxation.

I do know a few people who live ‘off the grid’ as much as possible, but even they rely on others to an extent; whether that be friends or the state. Of course that’s over here in Europe. It may be you’re somewhere where the libertarian ideal can flourish.

But I’d be very interested in how you manage it.

LindsayIrene, Rioting Werebonobo

that doesnt stop me from literally getting laid like a rock star

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Lysistrata
Lysistrata
3 years ago

@Galt

I have zero hate in my heart,

Obviously, this is not the case. You are here on this blog to hate, and you’ve put a fair bit of effort into it. Please, go back to literally getting laid like a rock star.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

Not sure why Galt is here posting screeds? The literary version (for certain definitions of “literary”) didn’t try to win over the masses, he just went to live in his sci-fi dystopia and deliberately left the masses to die.

Go find your gulch, Galt. Go Galt and remove yourself from society. It’s the right thing for you to do.

John Galt
3 years ago

Policy of Madness. Says it all.

Im so sorry for you. The hate just overflows your pea brains. I suppose ill see you on the battlefield at some point, where us “misogynist, toxic masculine etc etc” (read: Freedom loving, sensible patriots), will be left no choice but to defend ourselves physically from the frothing violence you spew from every orifice, and heavy weapons of “inclusiveness” you carry to all your violent, hate filled “protests”. Its already happening.

You have all done very well for your masters. All movements need useful idiots, and all of you have fit the mold in spades. Even though you will be relegated to nothing but an insignificant footnote (and a vile one, at that; right next to the Rise of the Third Reich) at the end.

Suffice it to say, as much as it pains me im sure you will be put down, like the rabid dogs you are. So much for your “movement”.

And one last word, all the men on this site…..you make logic, reason, and the entirety of huMAN accomplishment weep. For the good of our future, please just remove yourselves from the equation entirely. Your self hatred, im sure, will eventually lead you to that as the best conclusion.

Id say “have fun” in the loathsome sandbox you have created, but i fear you all have lost the meaning of that word long ago. Now, back to work. For me, anyway.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

heavy weapons of “inclusiveness”

It’s pretty pathetic that you’re so threatened by inclusivity that you see it as a weapon. What’s the matter? Afraid you won’t be compete on a truly level playing field?

And one last word, all the men on this site…..you make logic, reason, and the entirety of huMAN accomplishment weep. For the good of our future, please just remove yourselves from the equation entirely. Your self hatred, im sure, will eventually lead you to that as the best conclusion.

My irony meter just broke entirely. You’re accusing POM of frothing with hatred when you’re the one telling men to kill themselves just because they don’t agree with you that women are terrible and inferior? Seriously, do you not see the hypocrisy here?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ John Galt

Now, back to work. For me, anyway.

I’m still rather curious as to what exactly it is you do? I really would be grateful if you could enlighten me.

Citizen Rat
Citizen Rat
3 years ago

John Galt, like the eponymous fictional character, is a joke. A particularly bad one, too.

Valentine
Valentine
3 years ago

Garbage pickup workers?
Oil rig workers?
ANY high risk profession?

Its because women are wired to love safety. The safety of a loving home, provided by a male that works hard and may risk his life on the daily to provide comforts for his children and wife.

I working what suppose is 2nd most dangerous job – from statistics I think. And I’m also man and I can tell you here, all men and women too who working this job love safety very much. It very important to come home safe to family, friends and life. You talk like men these risk takers and danger seekers, but this is words from someone who never experienced dangerous job, I believe. You ever been in dangerous situation where you can die or maybe even nearly die or injured, you would not speak like this.

And one last word, all the men on this site…..you make logic, reason, and the entirety of huMAN accomplishment weep. For the good of our future, please just remove yourselves from the equation entirely. Your self hatred, im sure, will eventually lead you to that as the best conclusion.

You wrong. I am logical. I here because I care for women, I care for people who not have safety like I do just because I white or male or cis. It most basic human logic to care for those what needing your help and what society give disadvantage to. I here to learn about and discuss this with people who know more than me. Your mind too closed to understand this one. Best conclusion I reach is people like you will one day learn like me, or society will be able get better even without your help.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Salty Galty:

Standard boilerplate nonsense everyone here has heard before from you and your ilk, and will likely hear again from you.

You’re boring. Stultifyingly so. But you cannot stay away, so.

For the rest of all of you, here is something y’all may not have heard for a while:

Once upon a time, a very long time ago now, about last Friday, Winnie-the-Pooh lived in a forest all by himself under the name of Sanders. (“What does ‘under the name’ mean?” asked Christopher Robin. “It means he had the name over the door in gold letters, and lived under it.” “Winnie-the-Pooh wasn’t quite sure,” said Christopher Robin. “Now I am,” said a growly voice. “Then I will go on,” said I.) One day when he was out walking, he came to an open place in the middle of the forest, and in the middle of this place was a large oak-tree, and, from the top of the tree, there came a loud buzzing-noise. Winnie-the-Pooh sat down at the foot of the tree, put his head between his paws and began to think. First of all he said to himself: “That buzzing-noise means something. You don’t get a buzzing-noise like that, just buzzing and buzzing, without its meaning something. If there’s a buzzing-noise, somebody’s making a buzzing-noise, and the only reason for making a buzzing-noise that I know of is because you’re a bee.” Then he thought another long time, and said: “And the only reason for being a bee that I know of is making honey.” And then he got up, and said: “And the only reason for making honey is so as I can eat it.” So he began to climb the tree. He climbed and he climbed and he climbed, and as he climbed he sang a little song to himself. It went like this: Isn’t is funny how a bear likes honey? Buzz! Buzz! Buzz! I wonder why he does?

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