So here’s an interesting little scoop: According to the Daily Beast, the long-anonymous creator of the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad Red Pill subreddit is, IRL, a Republican politician — specifically, New Hampshire 9th district state representative Robert Fisher, known better in Red Pill circles as Pk_atheist.
“It’s possible that now, four-and-a-half years after Red Pill’s founding, Fisher may regret his creation,” Bonnie Bacarisse drily notes.
When reached for comment by phone, Fisher denied participation in the Red Pill forum, claiming not to know what The Red Pill was. Though he did say he had heard of the men’s rights movement, he said he hadn’t heard of PUA. “What is a pickup artist?” he asked.
This denial aside, the extensively researched Daily Beast story makes a pretty convincing case that Fisher and Pk_atheist are one and the same. And there’s this:
Within hours of contacting Rep. Fisher, and after delivering by email a summary of his apparent connections to The Red Pill kingpin, his two primary Reddit usernames had been wiped, and four blogs connected to him were deleted or made private. He has not returned additional requests for comment.
While Fisher wasn’t an elected official when he (allegedly) founded The Red Pill in 2012, he’s been a Republican state rep since 2014. He also seems to be a cool dude with super-awesome friends.
Online, Fisher describes himself as an “attractive businessman” who owns a “small empire.” According to his Facebook, he is the COO of Same Day Computer, which operates two locations in New Hampshire. He was also the sole member of his indie-electronic band, The Five Nines, which may or may not still be active. …
Fisher purchased the computer-repair franchise from its founder, failed New Hampshire state senate candidate Joshua Youssef, who, according to the Concord Monitor, violated state election law by publishing a deceptive blog to “make it appear that his ex-wife’s attorney had endorsed his candidacy.”
It turns out that the alleged Red Pill founder has been allegedly saying many, many terrible things about women online over the five years since the founding of The Red Pill — and even before.
I suspect many of his constituents, especially the human females amongst them, will be thrilled to learn of his Red Pill philosophy. Indeed, Bacarisse notes, “Fisher’s past comments on a host of Reddit forums are arguably far more disturbing” than some of the more notorious comments of his less-than-enlightened Republican dude politicians in New Hampshire.
He blasted women for their “sub-par intelligence.” He said that women’s personalities are “lackluster and boring, serving little purpose in day to day life.” And Fisher once commented, “It is literally the [female] body that makes enduring these things worth it.”
But there’s more! (There’s always more.) In assorted posts, he expressed his great appreciation for “slut shaming” and his unhappiness with female autonomy.
“Marriage, and yes, female oppression, slut shaming, religion, these were all a means to control hypergamy … ” Fisher wrote on The Red Pill in November 2012.
“To give women autonomy is to take away the very thing that made marriage a realistic institution… what I dislike is the general attitude that somehow we owe [women] something for sex … ” Fisher wrote on his blog Dating American, in 2012—just weeks before establishing The Red Pill.
It may not come as a giant shock to learn that Fisher has not been completely thrilled with his dating life.
He complained that girls were ghosting on him and standing him up. He aired grievances about the character of women: They were uninteresting, immature, unintelligent, lacked depth, and were entitled. He bemoaned that dating was easier for women. He felt it was unjust that women get a free ride, believing “a pair of boobs grants [them] equal footing with somebody bringing intelligence or a personality.”
Like a lot of his Red Pill brethren, Fisher is positively obsessed with alleged false rape accusations, and claimed that one of his ex-girlfriends once threatened to falsely accuse him.
“If you’re unattractive, feminism tells us, you’re likely a rapist,”he wrote in one Red Pill post.”[M]en are tip-toeing to make sure they don’t accidentally become rapists themselves.”
And it only gets creepier from here.
In 2008, writing under the username FredFredrickson, Fisher posited that the notion that “rape is bad” was not an absolute truth. He wrote, “I’m going to say it—Rape isn’t an absolute bad, because the rapist I think probably likes it a lot. I think he’d say it’s quite good, really.”
Though he stated he “doesn’t advocate breaking the law,” Fisher said online in 2012 that a 40-year-old man asking to see the breasts of a 15-year-old wasn’t creepy. Instead, he said it was “evolutionarily advantageous and perfectly natural.”
Fisher’s Red Pill beliefs aren’t just something he’s shared anonymously online:
As a candidate for state representative, Fisher proposed bringing concerns about the supposed plague of false rape accusations into the statehouse. Hosting a forum on Reddit under the username RobertFisherforNH, Fisher sought ideas to prevent “innocent people [from] receiving jail time.” He argued that because in rape cases “police err on the side of caution,” and show a high level of support for victims, the system was “susceptible to abuse” by women.
Given his noxious views, you may be pleased to note that Fisher is not what you’d call an influential politician, even on the state level. Partly because he seems to be a very lazy one.
“At his request, Fisher serves on no committees in the New Hampshire House,” Bacarisse notes. “Out of the 114 record votes so far during the 2017 session, Fisher has cast votes in half.”
Hopefully, after news of all this gets to his constituents, Fisher will go from being an ineffectual politician to being an ineffectual ex-politician.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_Corp
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/divorce-corp-2014
@Kevin
Huh, I had no idea. I was aware of its orgins as french then english-english, but assumed it had gained its fiscal meaning before it cross the atlantic. Seems like english slang terms for currency didn’t get exported after all.
Dave Henderson:
Again no actual proof. Link to a study or a statistic. What your using is called a ” Documentary” and may in fact be heavily biased. Give us data.
I understand New Zealand adopted the ‘dollar’ name because a competition to rename their newly decimalised currency proved inconclusive. A European ‘dollar’ could also be found in the Slovenian Tolar.
@Kevin
The original Joachimsthal was in what’s now the Czech Republic, though at the time it was part of the Kingdom of Bohemia, and ruled by German speakers, hence the name. Tolar would come directly from that. There’s also the Dutch daler, but that’s not in use anymore.
When it comes to this MRA belief that women marry, have children with their spouse, and then promptly file for divorce in order to be awarded a big cash payout along with prizes and custody of the children, I always wonder: just how many divorces do they think are adjudicated by the court system?
Because I’ll tell ya what, most aren’t. I think the figure is around 90% of divorces are either uncontested or else agreed upon with the help of a mediator. Divorces where custody is an issue I think I’ve seen a figure of around 3% that actually wind up in family court. By far the vast majority of custody arrangements are agreed upon by both parents.
I have primary physical custody of my son, but his father has visitation whenever he chooses, The only reason we don’t have shared custody is because his father had a job in another state that required him to be away from home for weeks if not months at a time, and he did not want to uproot our son like that. Now that he lives in the same state, in the next county over, he sees our son as often as he chooses.
I’ve known other couples that are really exemplary when it comes to co-parenting their kids, along with their second spouses, etc., and while we don’t all rise to quite that level of amicability, neither do all of us hate each other so much that we throw out our children’s needs.
Same goes with child support – most of the time it’s just agreed upon between the parents. It’s only when the non-custodial parent is a deadbeat (and that goes for moms as well, I know plenty of custodial parents who are fathers) that anyone goes through the state.
I think MRAs must represent the dregs of divorced men and parents, which is why they believe this incredibly lopsided trope. They’re the ones that are out to punish when a woman has the temerity to divorce them, and when they don’t get the retribution they want and think they deserve, they paint the entire system as corrupt. I doubt our Mr. Henderson has ever been married let alone divorced or had children.
dLOU
I’m not going to spend 1000 hours scouring lawbooks and family court data for you. It’s already been proven women get custody in 9/10 cases.
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For feminists – this is just fine. Wonderful in fact. If 9/10 jobs were for white men – there would be implied in fact discrimination and outrage in the media.
But when women get custody (and child support) 9/10 times. It’s perfectly ignored and ok.
You can watch divorce corp and decide for yourself.
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You can look at Dalrock.com for data.
I’m not answering you because it doesn’t matter what data or facts you see – it’s a waste of time. You want to believe whatever you want. So it’s pointless.
If you think women are “opressed” or ruled by a patriarchy in the West – you’re a fool.
We live in a quasi -matriarchy.
Women , minorities and homosexuals are in charge.
@Dallilama
Thanks for the info. I believe Slovenia reintroduced the Tolar to replace the Yugoslav Dinar, but are now part of the Eurozone.
@ Dave Henderson:
What are you hoping to accomplish here, honestly?
Your approach to discussion seems limited to yelling provable falsehoods by the dozen, then refusing to acknowledge any information (evidence or logic) that counters any of your points. That’s… not a very convincing approach to discussion in general, and seems likely to lead to a lot of mockery and dismissal, both here and elsewhere.
I’ve seen people in this thread and the previous one offer you sourced links with evidence, which you generally simply ignored, or on occasion dismissed without reading, saying that anyone can provide links to evidence. Yet you, yourself, continually fail to do so. This suggests that you simply don’t have any respect for actual facts, and are more impressed and convinced by strong feelings that support your own strong feelings.
I’ve seen people in this thread and the previous one break down some of your arguments logically, showing that your conclusions aren’t supported by the facts you claimed. You never respond to these at all. This leads me to believe that you don’t have an education in, or interest in, formal logic or the concept of proof or for that matter the scientific method in general. You seem to want to skip from “create a hypothesis” through “???” to “profit”, but that’s not how any of this works.
Some people, like dlouwe, have patiently asked you to narrow down your vague and wild claims to something that can actually be discussed in detail. You’ve refused to do so, and instead have posted videos from people who might share some of your views, possibly, as if that were somehow proof of something. Rather than getting specific, you become evasive, either moving the goalposts or simply repeating yourself as if nobody else had replied. You make wild claims, then expect someone else to disprove them, when you’re not willing to make any effort to prove them in the first place. That’s called shifting the burden of proof, and is both a very bad rhetorical habit, and good evidence that anyone paying attention shouldn’t take you seriously.
None of this shows that you’re here in good faith, with an open mind. You’ve complained that you don’t GET what the people here want or believe, but that’s clearly because you’re not listening in the slightest. Instead, you project all sorts of nonsense onto feminists, and then the feminists say, “no, that’s not what we believe”, and then you repeat the projected nonsense, seeming befuddled.
It’s obvious that you’re not interested in listening to what feminists believe. You’ve already been told, by MRAs, what they think feminists believe, and now you’re just here to argue about those fabrications. You’re not seeing anyone defend those fabrications though, which upsets you, and so you simply ignore or dismiss everything that doesn’t fit into your epistemic bubble already.
While it’s occasionally entertaining, it’s also disappointing to see how inflexible and obtuse you’re acting here.
You’re literally not going to convince a single person on this site of anything you’re arguing, Dave. That’s because you’re not engaging in any of the good faith efforts needed to do so: listening, responding to arguments with logic and evidence, and being willing to have your own mind changed.
So, given all of that… why are you here? It doesn’t seem that you’re enjoying yourself very much. You aren’t learning anything. You aren’t changing anyone else’s mind. So what’s the point, really?
@Dave Henderson
Wow, misogyny, racism and homophobia together. I call bigotry bingo !
Dalrock. DALROCK.
His goddamned sources are another fucking mra blog.
Jesus wept.
@David Henderson: There must be a rundown of the relevant law somewhere – perhaps compiled by someone in the legal profession to educate members of the general public. Try to find it.
@ PeeVee:
Dave clearly doesn’t understand what constitutes a credible source. Some guy on the internet said something Dave liked, and that was enough to reassure Dave that he was already right about that issue. It’s just a feedback loop of undereducated angry bigots citing each other as “proof”.
Sigh.
I suspect Dave defines “credible source” as “someone who says things I believe to be true.”
@Hindersun
That’s all you needed to say.
Collateral Thought,
And yet he is going to scold US when he can’t even be arsed to look through our own archives and realize that everything he is talking about has been extensively refuted over the years.
He brings nothing new to the table. I have no patience for people who wag their finger at us for not doing our homework, when they have on clue what this site is even about.
Boring troll is boring.
Then how did Trump win ? if all those people are in charge to the extent you are implying then shouldn’t he have lost?
@ Collateral.
Your post is way, way, way too long and full of fluff fluff fluff.
Facts are NOT news links. Especially from MSM. Allot of the links posted as “facts” are from MSM which is owned by special interests and lost all credibility in the recent President election.
I’ve already seen the ruthless destruction of lives and families caused by institutionalized feminism play out in society my entire life.
What feminists call “celebration” and “progress” I call destruction of Western civilization. A slow slide down the shit pipe. A one way ticket back to the 3rd world jungle.
We have a problem, an impasse. As Anakin Skywalker vs Obi Wan Kenobi once said “from my point of view the Jedi are evil”. That’s why I’m here.
I’m trying to determine, like most people, what your angle is (other than hating God, Christianity, and white males) and your hypocrisy on the incompatibility of Islam and women’s rights as you cry out for open borders.
This is a glaring hypocrisy with no concrete response (other then a photo of a women in a hajib and saying she’s a feminist so somehow that invalidates my statements) to these inconsistencies in your position as feminists.
I’m also trying to figure out what you people want (other than hating God, Christianity, and white males) and why you think with your feelings and emotions only – and won’t listen to common sense and reason.
@ Victorious Parasol:
Exactly so.
This all makes me want to go on a rant about how education in this country is failing. Don’t they teach epistemology anymore?
*stomps off, yells at clouds*
Dave:
“You can look at Dalrock.com for data.”
Or you could provide evedence yourself. prefferbly not from a Biased source like Dalrock. Why are you so obessed with us doing your work for you?
I’m not answering you because it doesn’t matter what data or facts you see – it’s a waste of time. You want to believe whatever you want. So it’s pointless.”
How would you know? You’ve not provided any data or facts. And in fact when other people provided you with data that disproved your assertions you ignored them. It sounds like your last two sentences apply most to you.
“If you think women are “opressed” or ruled by a patriarchy in the West – you’re a fool.
We live in a quasi -matriarchy.
Women , minorities and homosexuals are in charge.”
Nice to see that your homophobic too. I was worried that there were some bigotries you wouldn’t show.
Look- to give a rather redundant quote from one of my countries Prime Minsters “A proof is a proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof it’s because its proven.” So- hats in your corner. Prove the proof.
Fabe,
Why did Trump win? Because women, minorities and homosexuals do not make up the majority of the population. That’s why.
Yet they retain top down centralized control in the media, universities, all branches of government, and courts of law.
@ PeeVee:
Agreed. What’s worse than being boring is being boring, lazy, and self-righteous all at once, as Dave so aptly demonstrates.
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See. Anything and everything on Dalrock is a biased source. If I get the facts from Dalrock they are automatically biased.
You people close your minds and label everything. Everything is about labels. Labels. Labels. Labels.
Yup. I’ve just been called a bigot and homophobe for saying women minorities and homosexuals are “in charge”
There’s another label. That’s all you people know how to do. Label everything you disagree with.
It’s patently obvious that Davey-boy isn’t here to do anything other than fling his brain-feces at the wall and screech about how he’s “won” something.
If he was here to actually see the other side, he’d have at least provided some proof besides “Lookit, this other MRA says I’m right!!!”