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The Daily Beast takes on the creepy Republican politician who founded the Red Pill subreddit

Robert Fisher: Red Pill Republican

So here’s an interesting little scoop: According to the Daily Beast, the long-anonymous creator of the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad Red Pill subreddit is, IRL, a Republican politician — specifically, New Hampshire 9th district state representative Robert Fisher, known better in Red Pill circles as Pk_atheist.

“It’s possible that now, four-and-a-half years after Red Pill’s founding, Fisher may regret his creation,” Bonnie Bacarisse drily notes.

When reached for comment by phone, Fisher denied participation in the Red Pill forum, claiming not to know what The Red Pill was. Though he did say he had heard of the men’s rights movement, he said he hadn’t heard of PUA. “What is a pickup artist?” he asked.

This denial aside, the extensively researched Daily Beast story makes a pretty convincing case that Fisher and Pk_atheist are one and the same. And there’s this:

Within hours of contacting Rep. Fisher, and after delivering by email a summary of his apparent connections to The Red Pill kingpin, his two primary Reddit usernames had been wiped, and four blogs connected to him were deleted or made private. He has not returned additional requests for comment.

While Fisher wasn’t an elected official when he (allegedly) founded The Red Pill in 2012, he’s been a Republican state rep since 2014. He also seems to be a cool dude with super-awesome friends.

Online, Fisher describes himself as an “attractive businessman” who owns a “small empire.” According to his Facebook, he is the COO of Same Day Computer, which operates two locations in New Hampshire. He was also the sole member of his indie-electronic band, The Five Nines, which may or may not still be active. … 

Fisher purchased the computer-repair franchise from its founder, failed New Hampshire state senate candidate Joshua Youssef, who, according to the Concord Monitor, violated state election law by publishing a deceptive blog to “make it appear that his ex-wife’s attorney had endorsed his candidacy.”

It turns out that the alleged Red Pill founder has been allegedly saying many, many terrible things about women online over the five years since the founding of The Red Pill — and even before.

I suspect many of his constituents, especially the human females amongst them, will be thrilled to learn of his Red Pill philosophy. Indeed, Bacarisse notes, “Fisher’s past comments on a host of Reddit forums are arguably far more disturbing” than some of the more notorious comments of his less-than-enlightened Republican dude politicians in New Hampshire.

He blasted women for their “sub-par intelligence.” He said that women’s personalities are “lackluster and boring, serving little purpose in day to day life.” And Fisher once commented, “It is literally the [female] body that makes enduring these things worth it.”

But there’s more! (There’s always more.) In assorted posts, he expressed his great appreciation for “slut shaming” and his unhappiness with female autonomy.

“Marriage, and yes, female oppression, slut shaming, religion, these were all a means to control hypergamy … ” Fisher wrote on The Red Pill in November 2012.

“To give women autonomy is to take away the very thing that made marriage a realistic institution…  what I dislike is the general attitude that somehow we owe [women] something for sex … ” Fisher wrote on his blog Dating American, in 2012—just weeks before establishing The Red Pill.

It may not come as a giant shock to learn that Fisher has not been completely thrilled with his dating life.

He complained that girls were ghosting on him and standing him up. He aired grievances about the character of women: They were uninteresting, immature, unintelligent, lacked depth, and were entitled. He bemoaned that dating was easier for women. He felt it was unjust that women get a free ride, believing “a pair of boobs grants [them] equal footing with somebody bringing intelligence or a personality.” 

Like a lot of his Red Pill brethren, Fisher is positively obsessed with alleged false rape accusations, and claimed that one of his ex-girlfriends once threatened to falsely accuse him.

“If you’re unattractive, feminism tells us, you’re likely a rapist,”he wrote in one Red Pill post.”[M]en are tip-toeing to make sure they don’t accidentally become rapists themselves.”

And it only gets creepier from here.

In 2008, writing under the username FredFredrickson, Fisher posited that the notion that “rape is bad” was not an absolute truth. He wrote, “I’m going to say it—Rape isn’t an absolute bad, because the rapist I think probably likes it a lot. I think he’d say it’s quite good, really.”

Though he stated he “doesn’t advocate breaking the law,” Fisher said online in 2012 that a 40-year-old man asking to see the breasts of a 15-year-old wasn’t creepy. Instead, he said it was “evolutionarily advantageous and perfectly natural.”

Fisher’s Red Pill beliefs aren’t just something he’s shared anonymously online:

As a candidate for state representative, Fisher proposed bringing concerns about the supposed plague of false rape accusations into the statehouse. Hosting a forum on Reddit under the username RobertFisherforNH, Fisher sought ideas to prevent “innocent people [from] receiving jail time.” He argued that because in rape cases “police err on the side of caution,” and show a high level of support for victims, the system was “susceptible to abuse” by women.

Given his noxious views, you may be pleased to note that Fisher is not what you’d call an influential politician, even on the state level. Partly because he seems to be a very lazy one.

“At his request, Fisher serves on no committees in the New Hampshire House,” Bacarisse notes. “Out of the 114 record votes so far during the 2017 session, Fisher has cast votes in half.”

Hopefully, after news of all this gets to his constituents, Fisher will go from being an ineffectual politician to being an ineffectual ex-politician.

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Fabe
Fabe
7 years ago

I’m no computer expert but aren’t spell-checkers usually at the user end of the equation rather than the website? I’m typing this on an iPad and it’s checking as I go along. Same on my phone.

Spell check works fine here for me as well. about the only place spell check doesn’t work is in Steam

Danel
Danel
7 years ago

Within hours of contacting Rep. Fisher, and after delivering by email a summary of his apparent connections to The Red Pill kingpin, his two primary Reddit usernames had been wiped, and four blogs connected to him were deleted or made private. He has not returned additional requests for comment.

I adore this. It’s so entirely the electronic equivalent of the police sneaking up to his office a few minutes after first talking to him and finding him maniacally running all his files through the shredder.

Though he stated he “doesn’t advocate breaking the law,” Fisher said online in 2012 that a 40-year-old man asking to see the breasts of a 15-year-old wasn’t creepy. Instead, he said it was “evolutionarily advantageous and perfectly natural.”

It was evolutionarily advantageous for the dodo to be fearless, since there was nothing that could threaten it and time spent fleeing non-existent threats would be wasteful. It doesn’t mean it works out well now.

It’s perfectly natural to poop on the floor.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
7 years ago

@PoM
Because according to society criminals aren’t people therefore commence horrific actions.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
7 years ago

You’re welcome, Kevin. As we say at my company, there are TDM TLAs.

(That’s “too damned many three-letter acronyms” if you were wondering.)

Kevin
Kevin
7 years ago

@Pie
Website ‘The Word Detective’ indicates ‘grand’ for ‘thousand’ is American and dates from 1915. Not surprising it crossed the Pond as so much US entertainment is popular here. He may be showing up America after all.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

I will confirm that “grand” for “thousand” (currency only) is common American vernacular.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

Not surprising it crossed the Pond

In a similar vein, apparently the use of dollars as currency means somewhere was a British colony. But over here we use pounds of course.

Anyone know how that came about?

(dollar used to be slang here for 10 shillings, but I think that post dates the use of dollars generally)

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Troll,

If the facts are in, you should have no trouble backing up your claims. So do it or shut up

Makroth - wild west firecracker window-smashing soap-averse unionized cowboy Jacobin from Hell
Makroth - wild west firecracker window-smashing soap-averse unionized cowboy Jacobin from Hell
7 years ago

@David Humbugson

Stop preaching and offer some actual fucking proof!

Actual peer-reviewed studies instead of isolated cases.

dlouwe
dlouwe
7 years ago

@David Henderson

Every law in family court , CPS , criminal justice system .. take your pick ..

Every law in the… criminal justice system? Like, all of them? Okay, what about this one, which makes it illegal to duel in Washington DC? How exactly does that “allow women to receive cash and prizes for blowing their families up?”

My point is that for every one of these articles hundreds or thousands go unpunished.

And how do you know this?

Zatar
Zatar
7 years ago

David Henderson

Don’t try to pretend your approaching this from the realm of logic. Your sad little rants have not gone unnoticed. And the points you’ve tried to bring in have been disproven with actual facts. You want us to believe your talking points? Give us proof.

Newt
Newt
7 years ago

@Henderson

Anyone can collect articles online and link them as “facts”.

Anyone except you, apparently. Observed facts are for ladies and cucks; logicbros derive the entire state of the universe in their imaginations.

guest
guest
7 years ago

‘accidentally become rapists’

Yep, like one of those things that just happens, oops sorry, accident.

I read this book decades ago:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-07-10/entertainment/8801130890_1_janets-older-men-unconditional-love

The interesting part, as this review points out, is that however much men blather about evopsych, hormones, medieval history, objective attractiveness levels, or whatever, it seems the 40 year old men go after 15 year old girls because the girls offer, or can be persuaded or deceived into offering, uncritical respect and adoration.

Paradoxical Intention: Resident Cheeseburger Slut

guest | April 26, 2017 at 12:17 pm
I read this book decades ago:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-07-10/entertainment/8801130890_1_janets-older-men-unconditional-love

The interesting part, as this review points out, is that however much men blather about evopsych, hormones, medieval history, objective attractiveness levels, or whatever, it seems the 40 year old men go after 15 year old girls because the girls offer, or can be persuaded or deceived into offering, uncritical respect and adoration.

And one way that these men do that is to convince them that they’re “mature”, which is what most teenagers (not just girls!) want to be seen as. (“You’re so mature for your age!”)

Then these girls will see that as “I’m mature enough to make my own decisions!” and decide to go with the person who’s flattering the hell out of them because that person is treating them like an “adult”, when everyone else might be trying to protect them by telling her to get away and that he’s too old for her.

These old gross dudes will also try to put these girls on the defensive by questioning that “maturity”, constantly trying to prove to this guy that they’re “mature” (usually by doing everything he wants them to. “Oh, if you were really mature, you’d like/want to do this.”) and thus are worthy of his admiration and respect.

Those young girls want these older men to think that they’re on a level playing field, when they never have been and never will be, and on some level, those gross old men know it.

The worst part is, that knowledge is what they get off on.

PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Timber-Rattling Booger Slut, But Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

You know what is hilarious? The complete aversion to facts that Sasquatch has, preferring that he takes his “truth” from his stupid observations from anti-women sites and white supremacist sites.

I can do that, too.

David Henderson, you are a complete and utter trollish, hateful misogynist, xenophobic, racist asshole, and I base that on your posts here.

Therefore, despite any claim to the contrary you make, truth.

What do I want, personally?

That you fuck off.

Dave Henderson
Dave Henderson
7 years ago

Every law in the… criminal justice system? Like, all of them? Okay, what about this one, which makes it illegal to duel in Washington DC? How exactly does that “allow women to receive cash and prizes for blowing their families up?”

– This

This is gold. Exhibit A. A perfect example of why it’s impossible to rationalize with people who only want to see things one way.

Thank you for your comment. Thank you.

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@Alan

In a similar vein, apparently the use of dollars as currency means somewhere was a British colony. But over here we use pounds of course.

Anyone know how that came about?

Various ways, but it appears that a major factor was the ‘trade dollars’ the UK minted starting in the late 18th century*, which matched pesos (or ‘Spanish dollars’) in weight, those being very popular coins in the East Asian trade.

*Exceptions include the U.S., Australia, and Canada. The U.S. began using dollars as a currency in colonial days because pesos were easier to come by than pounds. Canada and Australia started out using pounds, and changed later. In Canada, that was in the 1850s and was done to make cross border currency exchanges easier, in Australia it wasn’t ’til decimalization of the pound in 1966, when they decided to change the name from pound to dollar.

(dollar used to be slang here for 10 shillings, but I think that post dates the use of dollars generally)

5 Shillings it would appear, barring linguistic drift. So called because at one time it was common to overstrike a peso into a crown. For extra confusion, the Scottish (or ‘thistle’) dollar was also in circulation, valued at 60 Scottish shillings (I don’t care enough right now to find the conversion to English shillings)

The word ‘dollar’ generally entered English via German thaler, due to a major silver deposit discovered in a Bohemian valley apparently owned by someone named Joachim (the place is called Joachimsthal, Joachim’s valley, and the coins were therefore Joachimsthalers, or just thalers)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

@ dalillama

Yey, thank you Dalipedia. 🙂 I probably should have just asked you in the first place. That was fascinating though. The Aussie thing is particularly interesting. Was that a republican sentiment I wonder?

Dave Henderson
Dave Henderson
7 years ago

@ ALL

I’ve not seen any facts. Just links to articles like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxNRtObt8no

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
7 years ago

Also, re: usage of CPS in determining troll’s nationality

If I haven’t missed the memo that y’all already caught this, CPS also stands for the States’s Child Protective Services. I think.

Dave Henderson
Dave Henderson
7 years ago

Dave Henderson
Dave Henderson
7 years ago

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

Was that a republican sentiment I wonder?

The short answer appears to be yes. It’s not clear to me why they wanted to change the name to begin with (Possibly to avoid confusion as the British pound wouldn’t decimalise for some years), but when they did, the PM at the time (Robert Menzies) wanted it called the royal. When the treasury secretary announced this, he and his family received death threats, and the name was rapidly changed to the dollar instead.

dlouwe
dlouwe
7 years ago

@Dave Henderson

I was being deliberately obtuse because I asked you to provide me some specific laws, then you gave me an overly general answer and asked me to do your homework for you.

You want Fisher to remove abusive laws. Which ones? You’re the one claiming they exist. If they are so abundant, it should be trivial for you to find one and reference it here.