So here’s an interesting little scoop: According to the Daily Beast, the long-anonymous creator of the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad Red Pill subreddit is, IRL, a Republican politician — specifically, New Hampshire 9th district state representative Robert Fisher, known better in Red Pill circles as Pk_atheist.
“It’s possible that now, four-and-a-half years after Red Pill’s founding, Fisher may regret his creation,” Bonnie Bacarisse drily notes.
When reached for comment by phone, Fisher denied participation in the Red Pill forum, claiming not to know what The Red Pill was. Though he did say he had heard of the men’s rights movement, he said he hadn’t heard of PUA. “What is a pickup artist?” he asked.
This denial aside, the extensively researched Daily Beast story makes a pretty convincing case that Fisher and Pk_atheist are one and the same. And there’s this:
Within hours of contacting Rep. Fisher, and after delivering by email a summary of his apparent connections to The Red Pill kingpin, his two primary Reddit usernames had been wiped, and four blogs connected to him were deleted or made private. He has not returned additional requests for comment.
While Fisher wasn’t an elected official when he (allegedly) founded The Red Pill in 2012, he’s been a Republican state rep since 2014. He also seems to be a cool dude with super-awesome friends.
Online, Fisher describes himself as an “attractive businessman” who owns a “small empire.” According to his Facebook, he is the COO of Same Day Computer, which operates two locations in New Hampshire. He was also the sole member of his indie-electronic band, The Five Nines, which may or may not still be active. …
Fisher purchased the computer-repair franchise from its founder, failed New Hampshire state senate candidate Joshua Youssef, who, according to the Concord Monitor, violated state election law by publishing a deceptive blog to “make it appear that his ex-wife’s attorney had endorsed his candidacy.”
It turns out that the alleged Red Pill founder has been allegedly saying many, many terrible things about women online over the five years since the founding of The Red Pill — and even before.
I suspect many of his constituents, especially the human females amongst them, will be thrilled to learn of his Red Pill philosophy. Indeed, Bacarisse notes, “Fisher’s past comments on a host of Reddit forums are arguably far more disturbing” than some of the more notorious comments of his less-than-enlightened Republican dude politicians in New Hampshire.
He blasted women for their “sub-par intelligence.” He said that women’s personalities are “lackluster and boring, serving little purpose in day to day life.” And Fisher once commented, “It is literally the [female] body that makes enduring these things worth it.”
But there’s more! (There’s always more.) In assorted posts, he expressed his great appreciation for “slut shaming” and his unhappiness with female autonomy.
“Marriage, and yes, female oppression, slut shaming, religion, these were all a means to control hypergamy … ” Fisher wrote on The Red Pill in November 2012.
“To give women autonomy is to take away the very thing that made marriage a realistic institution… what I dislike is the general attitude that somehow we owe [women] something for sex … ” Fisher wrote on his blog Dating American, in 2012—just weeks before establishing The Red Pill.
It may not come as a giant shock to learn that Fisher has not been completely thrilled with his dating life.
He complained that girls were ghosting on him and standing him up. He aired grievances about the character of women: They were uninteresting, immature, unintelligent, lacked depth, and were entitled. He bemoaned that dating was easier for women. He felt it was unjust that women get a free ride, believing “a pair of boobs grants [them] equal footing with somebody bringing intelligence or a personality.”
Like a lot of his Red Pill brethren, Fisher is positively obsessed with alleged false rape accusations, and claimed that one of his ex-girlfriends once threatened to falsely accuse him.
“If you’re unattractive, feminism tells us, you’re likely a rapist,”he wrote in one Red Pill post.”[M]en are tip-toeing to make sure they don’t accidentally become rapists themselves.”
And it only gets creepier from here.
In 2008, writing under the username FredFredrickson, Fisher posited that the notion that “rape is bad” was not an absolute truth. He wrote, “I’m going to say it—Rape isn’t an absolute bad, because the rapist I think probably likes it a lot. I think he’d say it’s quite good, really.”
Though he stated he “doesn’t advocate breaking the law,” Fisher said online in 2012 that a 40-year-old man asking to see the breasts of a 15-year-old wasn’t creepy. Instead, he said it was “evolutionarily advantageous and perfectly natural.”
Fisher’s Red Pill beliefs aren’t just something he’s shared anonymously online:
As a candidate for state representative, Fisher proposed bringing concerns about the supposed plague of false rape accusations into the statehouse. Hosting a forum on Reddit under the username RobertFisherforNH, Fisher sought ideas to prevent “innocent people [from] receiving jail time.” He argued that because in rape cases “police err on the side of caution,” and show a high level of support for victims, the system was “susceptible to abuse” by women.
Given his noxious views, you may be pleased to note that Fisher is not what you’d call an influential politician, even on the state level. Partly because he seems to be a very lazy one.
“At his request, Fisher serves on no committees in the New Hampshire House,” Bacarisse notes. “Out of the 114 record votes so far during the 2017 session, Fisher has cast votes in half.”
Hopefully, after news of all this gets to his constituents, Fisher will go from being an ineffectual politician to being an ineffectual ex-politician.
Plant seeds of a tanglin’ vine
Walk away in a straight line
Take your sweet motherfuckin’ time
And let those weeds grow
But eventually you’ll get kudzu
And soon they’ll learn that it was you
Don’t you dare ask “what did I do?”
It didn’t take a pro
To figure out the tracks on this trail
Leadin’ to you, lookin’ awfully pale
A hurricane led up to by a gale
Won’t do too much good to lie low
Expose the assholes for what they are before they can achieve any higher office.
This is where hiding behind a anon nym comes to bite one in the ass.
Fuck these people. So, so sick of their toxic attitudes and the active harm they cause others.
Godzilla: I’m so sorry. Net hugs if you want them!
IP: glad you and yours are safe!
David: Please continue to feel better!
I’m starting an applause pile for Troubelle’s latest effort. It’s a much more articulate response than I can manage right now.
All right, I give up. Don’t know what is hanging up my post.
Glad this guy was revealed.
Godzilla, hugs.
IP, glad you and everyone are okay.
When hiding behind a keyboard spills over to real life.
Ha ha ha.
Get them now before they are elected into even higher office.
The politics of online douchebaggery, come home to roost.
I’m glad there’s evidence, and that he’s been exposed.
I’m seriously not surprised that male politicians are part of the online misogynist community. If we peered behind enough usernames, we’d probably find a good percentage of sitting male politicians. Republicans mostly, but also democrats.
I’m shocked that he seems to actually be from NH – I noticed one website said he attended Winnisquam Regional High School, which is in NH. I figured he was another schmuck who moved to NH as part of the “Free State Project” to make NH a libertopian paradise.
@VP
Much obliged.
“They said they wouldn’t be surprised if some of these glorifiers of child rape turned out to be child rapists. Neither would I.”
Definitely. I was reading about a rape case involving a 13-year-old, and how some potential male jurors said gross things like they didn’t blame the guy if the girl looked 18, or that if a 13-year-old could testify, she could consent to sex too. Never mind that even if the girl had been old enough to consent, it would still be rape because the guy didn’t get her consent before penetrating her. I don’t think I’m overreacting at all for thinking that guys who say things like that might be rapists themselves.
@Troubelle: you are keeping a record of these somewhere, right? I remember reading in another thread that you wished you had all of them.
I think you’d enjoy reading them in the future, seeing how your style develops and changes.
I like the latest offering, though i am confused by the use of ‘kudzu’. I have googled that it is an invasive plant species that is messing things up, was that your point? Or were you looking for ‘karma’?
I was also wondering how you rhymed ‘pro’ in there, since (in my Western/easternish Canadian accent) that ends with an ‘oh’ while all the others were ‘oo’s.
If you’d rather not discuss it, or would rather no critique, i am sorry and won’t in the future.
I look forward to reading your next one!
Edited to add: @Godzilla Roberts – internet cookies are on offer, though i know that doesn’t even compare. I am terribly sorry you went through that.
Count me as someone who would also not be surprised if he turned out to be a child abuser and/or a rapist. That’s not a lie. It’s not a conspiracy. It’s not a specific accusation. It’s common sense to be suspicious of someone is spewing rape apologia, child abuse apologia and paranoia over being arrested for rape. I’m actually pretty offended that there are people here scolding others for having these suspicions.
Abusers will tell you who they are. They send up red flags galore. Women are socialized to dismiss the feeling that a man might be predatory because it isn’t “nice.” That is part of patriarchy and it’s part of rape culture. It’s why sexual predators usually get away with what they do. We prioritize men’s feelings and convenience over the safety of women and the safety of children.
It’s not legally actionable to have horrible ideas about consent. But it is immoral and it’s a GIANT red flag. I know I won’t let myself be alone with anyone who talks like Fisher on the grounds that he sounds like a rapist. I don’t care if men who talk like rapists have ever been convicted of anything and I won’t apologize for protecting myself from men that give me that off feeling. This isn’t a court of law and we’re not sitting on a jury. There is no need to grant any benefit of the doubt here.
@WWTH
<333
@Rhuu
I haven’t a record, though Dave said he’d get back to me on a dump of every post I’ve ever done.
Kudzu (which I know of all too well, living in Kentucky) was intentional (seeds, weeds, vines, etc.).
Pro was not intended to rhyme with the rest of its stanza–all the stanzas end with the same sound. (AAAB, CCCB, DDDB.) So it rhymes with “grow” and “low”.
I….really don’t know why we even need to debate the fact that its reasonable to be suspicious that a man who spends a lot of time defending rapists and pedophiles and who has outright stated that rape isn’t that bad because the rapist enjoys, might have committed rape at some point.
Honestly I get suspicious just from how obsessed he is with the idea of false rape allegations and wonder if the accusation he said almost got used against him was really all that false.
This dude’s one saving grace is that he’s bad at his job.
All my support, Godzilla Roberts.
Shorter David Henderson: My seed being spread is only feasible if I can walk away from any result.
At least he’s moved past pretending he cares about women’s oppressive subjugation by Islam. That didn’t take long.
This implies that the rapist’s opinion on the matter has some nonzero value. It doesn’t…
@Godzilla
*supports, cares*
@WWTH
Yep
We obviously cover a lot of stuff with the women’s self defence thing but if it had to be limited to one key point that would be “Don’t die of politeness.”
I’ll do my usual plug for Gavin DeBecker’s ‘Gift of Fear’.
David Henderson:
Glad to see your still such a charmer. Its also nice to see that despite all that bullshit you tried to spout about sharia law you’d love to treat women the same way. Again: You only care about patriarchy when its run by brown people of a different religion then you.
@ Troubelle
As many have indicated, you are a treasure. Can’t wait to hear your songs at a social conscience rally in the hopefully very near future!!
😉
Now I’ve got Gavin DeB on the brain, I hope people don’t mind if I bullet point his key red flags. I suspect people may well recognise these.
IP, yipes, glad you and the cats and everyone else in the building is ok!
Pee Vee, I don’t know why the spam filter ate your comment, but I pulled it out for you.
Thanks, David.
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@Alan Robertshaw: Thank you for putting that out there! I’m going to save that.