We get letters. And sometimes they’re too good — and I use a very broad definition of “good” — not to share. So here’s one I got the other day from a fellow who calls himself MGTOWabunga, offering a rather detailed, er, critique of We Hunted the Mammoth and its readers.
I feel fairly certain that Mr. Abunga has not actually read more than about five words of the blog.
How f*cking typical is it, for a slobbering horde of wannabe cop-killing vagina knights and window smashing booger sluts, who sing the praises of terrorists like the Black Panthers, to back down and clutch pearls when the dog shit is on the other foot.
MGTOWabunga does have a way with words!
You animals prize violence and you know it – you invite terrorists into society in the hopes that they will erase white civilization through violence and the instatement of sharia law, you agitate through timber-rattling bedlam for the forceable exchange of resources from the producers of society to the lowly jack-booted masked sickle-and-hammer sporting, unwashed plankton-eaters in black bloc …
Plankton-eaters?
… and you riot like disorderly she-tornados and werebonobos whenever some person with more melanin in their skin than the law allows gets shot for fighting with the police.
Or shot in the back while walking away from the police. Or for being a 12-year-old playing with a toy gun.
If self-awareness could be stored in a checking account, you numbskulls would have overdraft fees that even Bill Gates couldn’t cover. I don’t see anything wrong with what Trumpsters are doing;
“Trumpsters?” You mean the guys who show up at demonstrations with sticks and shields and helmets and shin-guards? You know, like “based stickman” here, already the subject of countless adoring alt-right memes?
… all I see are people who are tired of being assaulted and harassed by poorly-dressed vandals who idolize Bakunin and think that such corner stones of civilized society like “freedom of speech” are instruments of oppression manufactured by white bourgeois despots to provide cover to “fascists” (read: anyone to the right of Trotsky).
You know, I’m fairly certain this “fascist,” shown here at that recent Berkeley thing, doesn’t really merit the scare quotes.
Nor these guys.
An hey, here’s the guy who gave that speech that got these guys so excited.
And oh, look, it’s hacker-Nazi Weev. Might I draw your attention to that giant fucking swastika tattoo on his chest?
And, hey, it’s Andrew Anglin from the Daily Stormer, in case the name of his website and his harassment of Jews and his frequent paeans to Hitler weren’t enough of a clue.
So, yeah, while it is kind of a political cheap trick to call people fascists when they’re not fascists, the alt-right today is lousy with honest-to-goodness no-scare-quotes actual real no-kidding genuine draft fascists. So I think that’s maybe what we’ll be calling them?
Boy, remember back when Godwin’s Law was a real thing and not just some faint fond memory?
Oh, but MGTOWabunga is still going.
I don’t condone violence and I have no intention of practicing it, but when you start destroying things, punching people, threatening to kill cops and “fascists,” and vandalizing buses driven by people that you don’t like,
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that no one here is destroying things, punching people, threatening to kill cops and “fascists” (or even fascists). Some of us, it’s true, may have laughed a little at a video of one fascist (no scare quotes) getting punched, because, you know, HE’S A FUCKING NAZI. And it’s possible that some of us don’t really feel terrible that a bus on a cross-country transphobic hate tour got spraypainted because, you know, the people driving the bus don’t think trans folks have a right to exist.
… you forfeit any claim that you might have that you are “peaceful protestors,” and that your rights need to be respected …
But when literal neo-Nazis show up to demonstration with helmets and shields, and start literally hitting people with sticks, their rights do need to be respected?
you fucking syphilitic devil-llamas, wild west firecracker window-smashing soap-averse unionized cowboy Jacobins from Hell.
Devil-llamas?
You mean like this guy?
I don’t know if he or she a devil. I just found this picture on the internet. I don’t even know if this particular devil-llama, or any devil-llamas, even read the blog, honestly.
But I think they’d enjoy it
Long time, first time.
I don’t know what kind of text-markup works here, so please forgive me if this comes out looking horrible. Or sounding horrible, for that matter, though that’s a different kind of failure.
@ Brony, Social Justice Cenobite:
That’s a good read on the topic, I think.
Another explanation might be that we’re seeing can largely be explained by fundamental attribution error.
Fundamental attribution error leads people to believe that their own failures are caused by external stimuli, while other people’s failures are caused by their innate characteristics. So e.g. if a white supremacist doesn’t support violence (in general), he might be inclined to believe that his fellow white supremacists only commit violence when they have no other choice, because of the perfidy and the immediate threat of those evil devil-llamas/werebonobos/[insert threatening-sounding fantasy mammal here].
On the other hand, if a liberal person, or a POC, or a Muslim, or a member of any of the many groups that oppose white supremacists acts violently, well, that’s just evidence that all [fantasy mammals] are inherently violent, which is of course further used as justification for the first case above. It’s a nicely self-reinforcing feedback loop.
If you combine that with an unhealthy dose of zero-sum game theory, it’s easy to believe that anyone who does anything in opposition to your views is innately evil, and anyone who does anything to support your views is innately good. This further reinforces the feedback loop above.
Speaking of dogs and she-tornadoes…
Sometimes I imitate a tornado to rile Bailey up. I spin around and make whooshing noises. This for some reason gets her all excited and she starts dancing around me and barking. It’s a fun game!
Something tells me he reads Chateau Heartiste.
Not Bakunin, sweetie. The name is Akunin, Boris Akunin. Some of the most fun mysteries your pocket money can buy you these days.
Tag yourself, I’m the window smashing booger slut
I’m ready to smash windows and punch Nazis, tbh.
This is why smashy tactics and vandalism works. It makes fascists scared to just go out and be fascists.
Wrecking that bus de-platformed transphobe. And you know what? Destruction of inanimate objects isn’t violence. It can be intimidation. But they’ve been doing the same things to marginalized peopl, in addition to direct violence. If you keep hitting people, they’ll hit back. Everything you see Antifa do? It’s self defense, and in defense of the marginalized.
Also, this guy is clearly afraid of women who won’t put up with his shit, lmao. I hope he gets beat up by a lady anti-fascist.
I don’t actually have anyone IRL to talk about periods with, so I’m jumping at the chance here. I mentioned in the last period thread that last month I was like a week and a half late, then in the very short window between taking one pad off and putting another one on it all decided to come out at once. This month I was two weeks late, and my period lasted nine days (I was all ‘come on, my uterus can’t be big enough to have all that inside it’). This may not be the weirdest thing ever to happen to someone starting menopause, but I’m used to three days every 28 days, so this is a bit freaky. After nine days I was giving up on it ever stopping, but it finally seems to have stopped yesterday. Free at last!
@brony (did I remember you nym right? It’s been a page and I’m getting old)
So basically, they have to view themselves as a group with members who are all different, but united in a goal and to keep that group together (because they’re all assholes and would turn on each other otherwise), they need us to be the enemy that is so homogeneous that we’re all the same, without any nuances. We’re all violent sluts.
That’s sad. Sad little boys living a sad little life. It must be horrible not to see beauty and hope and growth and change in life.
@ menstruation talk
You’re gonna hate me, but I’ve had my period perhaps 10 to 20 times in my life (at 26). Pcos sucks, but that’s the single amazing thing about it. If I bleed, it doesn’t hurt and it’s quite light.
Although, when I had my copper iud put in, I bled through two pads in under an hour. In school, without being prepared for how bad it would be. I had to stay sitting down for the class, get up when the bell rang and rush to the toilet, because I could fucking feel all the blood running out of me the second I got up. It was horrible. I was wearing red pants that day, though. They kept coming back every two weeks for two months, then I went back to not bleeding.
The best thing is though that the iud didn’t stay in. My uterus actually grew from tiny to normal sized after it was put in due to my meds and that caused the iud to come loose. All the blood and pain for nothing.
The second one didn’t bleed as bad, but…. Didn’t stay in either. I’m due for the third somewhere this month and if that doesn’t work, I’ll have to face a lifetime of condoms. Nooooooooooo!
Yeah, mine have gotten a lot heavier too. I am not amused. I’ve had one recently where I overflowed my cup, filled a super-overnight pad, and leaked all over my clothes, all in the space of about two hours. After decades of never needing to, I’m carrying supplies at all times now.
But nine days?
But on the plus side, I seem to be losing my pubic hair! I just recently found out that is a fairly normal menopause thing. On the downside, I’m losing it from the center and then outward, so bathing suit season is still kind of ugh. Maybe next year!
@IBH Ardipithecus Darn, I’m already forgetting old memes. 😀
@Austin Loomis The projection thing bears repeating. 🙂
re periods: My periods have always been a la Niagra Falls, so maybe menopause will do the opposite. LOL!
It’s weird. In popular culture aging is always associated with getting more hairy. Maybe it’s that way for some, but although I’m not losing pubic hair yet, I am losing leg hair. The only place I have it anymore is the bottom third of my shins. It makes it tough to have proper feminist hairy legs of misandry! Hopefully Katie doesn’t kick me out of feminism for not having a luscious forest of hair over my legs.
Is it? Maybe in terms of sprouting hair in new inconvenient, yet visible places?
I didn’t lose pubic hair until my mid-40s. But I don’t know about your legs. I realize now that mention it that I’ve lost the hair on the bottom quarter/third of my shins at some point as well. The rest of my legs still have enough hair for the both of us and maybe someone else too.
Goddamnit, as if blathering about your rancid harlot water wasn’t enough, now I have to endure you profligate Sodom tarts rattle your jaws about your fucking pubes as well? Don’t any of you libertine buffalo skanks know ANYTHING about keeping the fur off of your cankled-up legs? None of you have it within you to maintain nobility, let alone the feminine virtue of nubility*. I’ll have you know that if growing jungles in your pants and having legs like Curious George is your idea of competing with men in this world, you can forget it; no one makes a better man than a man himself. If you want so dearly to be “progressive,” then I suggest that you invest in some shaving products (google them if you don’t know what they are), instead of acting like a bunch of uncivilized lice-plucking cave harpies who’ve never seen a wheel before.
*I’m willing to let this one slide; by allowing yourselves to physically deteriorate, you’re allowing men to see you for what you REALLY are, and can no longer use artifice and ruses to manipulate them into doing your bidding.
I think I’ve pieced together how he can write this without a flicker of self-awareness:
In the imaginary back-to-front universe of miggietows, where straight white men are the most oppressed of all, and also every police officer follows due process and never overreacts, police *only* get into trouble for shooting black people. He never heard anyone protesting about white people being shot, which could only be because whiteness somehow makes one a legal target.
I want to be really honest about it: I really thank WHTM for showing me the true colours of the alt right and the misogynists in general. I too was one of them until reading a forum of an infamous site (the daily stormer), turned me off from them. But what really made me dislike them for the most part (at the time) was not their political views an opinions in general on specific groups, but rather their views on the age of consent and how apparently people who don’t want have sex with underage girls, who think that kids are still immature (mentally) even before 18, who were just concerned parents or wanted to raise the age of consent we’re basically “manginas, Pussies and feminists” and not only that, they would defend it and say how evil people are for calling him out on that and use examples of their grandmas marrying when they were in their pre teen age, evo psych and the same arguments pedophiles and other creepy scum in general use (having puberty or looking adult=Full adult maturity, for example) as justifications to lower the age of consent or abolish it as a whole.
For me this topic was very sensitive and, despite some of them (a really small minority) were opposed to it (most predominantly a mother, named stoptoughtcrime), others just painted her as a feminist despite her disagreeing only in this issue and the majority, as you would imagine, would really love to go full medieval regarding everything, especially on the age limit someone can have sex with. One of the strangest thing was how they thought age of consent was the same as marriageable age and fathom on and on about how is the duty of every aryan men to impregnate every single girl who’s on her pirate period, even if they could be as low as 10 years old. Also the anti feminist website spouted this same kind of stuff minus all the white supremacist stuff, going on just how unfair that men get arrested for watching child pornography and imposing laws against it are tyranny and just how “natural” that men drooling over pubescent children and that people opposing it are “Nazis”.
As I became more individualist on my political journey, I tried to search a “good anti-feminist” that wouldn’t say a lot of sexist shit on women, but I was wrong, they were all the same from the first to the last. I also learned just how vain they could be or just how idiotic, hateful and/or pretentious, entitled they are. Some Them would use sources and attack those same sources when they presented ideas contradicting some of their ideas and others wouldn’t be honest on their views, pander to the “skeptics” or just rehash and recycle arguments invented by others that are either old, debunked or just plain pulled out from their arses and say how is original their arguments and ideas are, but most importantly just how the world should feel pity and sorry and blame on societies and themselves for the MGTOWs and incels of the world and what happened to them.
I don’t want to go on length about it so I will go to the point:
After some internal conflicts (especially on gamergate which was very difficult to decide on and, after a long time watching for some reason people such as Appabend, I decided to not care about it after I asked to myself “why do they think that people should care about most importantly gamers, their feelings and video games as if was as important as how to treat cancer?” And “what do I care if something gets so political on one side of the political wing if I don’t give a flying fuck about it and never did something with it?”), I came to this website and saw just how awful this rightists (and some fundamentalist libertarians) could be and for this I thank to all of you and I wish happy blessings and hope that this can continue to go as long as it can.
NOTE: I am really grateful for this blog, I’m not faking and this is not a troll post.
@Chrone star
Welcome! With all the horrific bullshit going on in the world, it’s always good to hear that somebody out there’s been helped by us, that it’s not as futile as it sometimes feels. Have you picked up your welcome package yet? =)
So that answers the question if there are former miggytoes. Yay!
Good for you, chrone star and welcome!
@PeeVee & @AxeCaliber
Thank you, I hadn’t caught onto the “shiver me timbers” pirate angle but I get it.
That prose is so overheated I’m surprised there wasn’t a China Syndrome event wherever M. Miggsie wrote this.
@As Above, So Below – yay for dogs named Mike! I don’t know why I named him that, he just looked like a Mike at the shelter and I didn’t know any Mikes at the time. Later, though, he became known as “Mike the Dog” to differentiate him from a few “Mike the Human”s I knew lol.
I read the bit about melanin as trying to convey:
“Cops aren’t allowed to shoot people who fight with them if those people are black.”
Meaning that they think that all those murders by police were just thugs who deserved it, but we’re only making a fuss because we want to bend over backwards to carve out exceptions for black people because, I don’t know, spin the wheel, white genocide, probably.
@PeeVee, I thought the same. But it’s all too real 😀
@OoglyBoggles,
Perfect responses, both the panda and the girls. I mean, seriously:
That was a lot of words just to tell us how racist he is.
Chrone star
This is too horrifying for me to really grapple with, so I’m just going to say: these are the guys who claim that they’re K-selected like strong, manly wolves, and not R-selected like weak and silly rabbits.
Then factor in their twin obsessions of out-breeding the scary brown people and getting rid of child support and welfare.
@Chrone star
Something that I think could stand to be mentioned more frequently is how the alt-right/manosphere etc. can seem really appealing to people who are, for whetver reason, the right kind of vulnerable for that sort of rhetoric. And that, like other conspiracy theory mindsets, once inside it’s very difficult to break out. Counter evidence is twisted to become another reason why the mindset is right, unless there’s a line that someone won’t cross under any circumstances, and from accounts I’ve read that’s usually the starting point for realising that the whole edifice is bullshit. So well done for getting out.
Did he really intend to write “more melanin than the law allows”?
It seems a bit unduly honest as to his state of mind.
Either he’s the kind of person who is ignorant that the law has made no specifications about melanin (for a while, anyway) OR the kind of person who knows it’s not actually illegal to have melanin-rich skin, but deeply regrets the fact.
And in either case, he thinks being killed by the police is fine and protesting such killings out of order.
Devil Llamas from The Net, The Booger Sluts (playing the Booger Slut Boogie), and Cowboy Jacobins are all lovely names.
Because apparently we haven’t pissed on Steve Ditko’s and Jack Kirby’s legacies enough yet!
Let’s just take this character made to punch Hitler in the fucking face by two Jewish men who hated Nazis, and RETCON HIM TO BE A NAZI FROM THE START.
That wasn’t the real Cap who punched Hitler! The Cap you all know and love wasn’t the real one! The real one is a NAZI, and he’s the REAL BAD GUY.
That sounds like a good idea, right??? [/heavy sarcasm]
It’s times like these I’m fucking glad that comics are really inconsistent from writer to writer. I hope Cap’s next writer retcons the SHIT out of this garbage, just so this shithead gets a taste of his own medicine.