Roosh Valizadeh — alleged pickup artist, ironic rape legalization advocate and big league Trump fan — has a request for our failed president: Protect men from naggy women, who are basically a bunch of terrorists, if you think about it.
In an “Open Letter” to the current inhabitant of the White House, Roosh begs for some help combating “the problems … that [have] resulted from a society that has normalized hatred of men and masculinity.”
Foremost amongst them: nagging.
Sadly, the average man today is looked upon with contempt and the source of all problems that women complain about (both real and imagined), even though they are the most privileged class of female that exists in the world today.
Yes, that’s right: women are “the most privileged class of female that exists in the world today.” Also, presuming that Roosh is talking about human females and not, say, lady giraffes, women are also the least privileged class of (human) female that exists in the world today, given that they are the only class of (human) female that exists in the world today.
So how did these simultaneously most and least privileged females put men in such a terrible place? With the NAGGING.
As you already know, once a woman successfully nags you into correcting what she perceives as a problem, she immediately begins work on correcting another, and then another, until you wake up to find yourself completely submissive to a woman whose behavior now matches that of a radical Islamic terrorist.
Be careful, fellas, lest your wife or girlfriend slip an improvised explosive device into your underwear drawer!
Thanks to the leftist pet causes of feminism and social justice, which were enabled by the globalists who sought to defeat you, the matriarchal reign of terror has culminated with all men presumed to be rapists and oppressors, and who need to be “taught” how not to abuse women, as if it’s a natural-born instinct of ours like eating or sleeping.
Being told that it’s a bad thing to abuse women is apparently equivalent to being run down by a terrorist in a truck at an outdoor market.
As a result of all this terroristic nagging, people may begin to believe that men are paid more than women just because economic data shows this to be an actual fact!
Once the culture has accepted the lie that all living men are active oppressors, it was easy to push other lies that men are unfairly stealing money from women by earning more than them for the same labor.
Next thing you know, incompetent women will take over the workplace and fire men with opinions about things!
The next step in correcting this “wrong” is for women who are less skilled than men to get hired and promoted over men. Relentless propaganda in the media and academia has so infected the workforce and female-dominated Human Resources departments that a productive man is one bogus accusation away from destitution. If his workplace has at least one woman, he can no longer share his opinions without fear of causing offense and getting fired.
It’s true! As a result, no men in America feel free to express their opinions about any subject whatsoever and have to be coaxed gently into saying anything at all.
The situation is even worse outside of work. Unless a man is prepared to wear a bodycam 24 hours a day, he is at risk for false accusations of harassment or rape.
This is why pretty much every man in America today refuses to venture outside without first putting on a full camera rig.
But alas, this is not enough! Because “women are highly eager to lie for personal or financial gain,” hapless American men are forced to give up on
relationships, work, and even educating themselves in university, simply because they realize how badly the system is rigged against them. Men have become second class citizens, expected to bow down to women simply because they lack a vagina. While women shriek of their safe spaces, stocked with coloring books and crayons, men are subject to attack from any space they enter, because of laws and institutional rules that have been changed to their detriment.
But, hey, he’s not complaining! Men, as is well-known, simply hate complaining about anything, especially about women.
The men who follow me rather take it on the chin and solve their problems than complain about their plight, but we still can’t ignore the reality that relations between men and women are the worst it’s ever been thank to a multi-decade push by globalists to invert the natural order and lift women above men.
It’s so weird that women don’t even want to accept that their proper place is beneath men like Roosh.
We now live in a culture where women want to replace the role of men in employment, positions of power, and even within relationships as they gleefully brag about the “end of men” and how the world would just be better if we didn’t exist.
Roosh is so right here! I mean, look how men are struggling to cling on what little shreds of power they have left in politics, as these pictures of recent White House signing ceremonies suggest.
I mean, just look what happens! You let a couple of women in the room and — BAM! — the next thing you know everyone’s a woman wearing some kind of weird woman uniform and Trump has been replaced by Hillary Clinton!
But happily Roosh has a solution to the tyranny that female nagging has wrought. All Trump needs to do is to starve the “feminist pigs so that nature can reassert itself” — by cutting off all federal funding for lady things!
“[S]top the government from acting as a daddy and husband to women,” Roosh begs Trump.
Halt any program that performs a function that a father or husband could perform. This means no free money, no welfare, and no “reproductive health services.” Private charities can pick up the slack for widows and women who weren’t pleasing enough to land a husband. I also urge you to stop any program that attempts to turn women into men, such as university sports funding or scholarship programs that push unqualified women into science. As a masculine man yourself, do you see any point in having programs that encourage a woman to leech off of free help instead of falling into the arms of a man she must open her heart to in order to receive material benefits?
That’s right: women must learn to submit to men if they want to have any “material benefits” at all! It’s only fair!
If you thought Hillary Clinton was a nasty woman, I wish you could see the attitude of a basic run-of-the-mill middle class American girl who knows that there will be no consequences for her actions because she will be saved by a culture that thinks she’s a victim and a government that actively competes with men to be her husband. It’s become so bad that there are now male movements which dedicate themselves to not interacting with women at all.
And what a tragedy it is that these brave Men Going Their Own Way have been fired by quit the women of the world!
But Roosh doesn’t want to seem ungrateful to the mighty Trump, and ends his little letter on an up note.
Thankfully, even if you do nothing that I kindly suggest, your existence alone is a great help to men, who will now feel that it’s okay to proudly display their masculinity without feeling shame for having the natural urges to compete, achieve, conquer, and grow.
Trump truly is an inspiration to all men who want to achieve positions of power without having any discernible qualifications for their jobs.
Roosh even gives props to Trump’s lovely wife, despite the disconcerting fact that she’s a woman.
Even the presence of your European wife may inspire women to rediscover their feminine instincts, of standing by their man as he climbs the ladder of success.
Even if she stands by him from hundreds of miles away because she apparently doesn’t want to even live in the same city as he does, for perfectly understandable reasons.
I mean, hey, if she’s not in the same city, how can she even nag him? By evidently driving his wife away from him with his completely terrible personality, Trump is already winning the war on nagging, without even lifting a finger!
I’ve never been in a poly relationship, so I know fuck all, but yeah, the part about him taunting her about how he’s not listening to her because a hot chick is walking by sounds super off to me.
It is on her if she agreed to a poly relationship without truly bring comfortable with it, but if she’s new to polyamory it’s on him to have helped her navigate things and he should’ve found out her boundaries in advance and respected them. I also don’t really buy that he cheated on previous girlfriends only because he didn’t know he was poly. I get that we’re all socialized to view monogamy as the right way to do relationships, but that doesn’t excuse cheating and lying. It’s generally socially acceptable for men to be single and date casually if they don’t want to commit to one person.
This kind of thing is why I’m theoretically okay with being in an open relationship but in reality couldn’t do it. I doubt most men are trustworthy enough to pull off the emotional support I would need to do it.
Tl;dr
I have no actual advice and am just going on a ramble about it.
In my experience though, if you want to interfere in a relationship, you have to be willing to lose one or both as friends. They may very well close ranks and shut you out if she decides to just stay and put up with up it.
Just chiming in to agree completely with IP.
Also want to add though:
Given this guy’s history of cheating, is he really even poly at all, or is it just an excuse? My own opinion is that he’s an immature jackass with commitment issues and declaring himself poly is just a convenient excuse.
ETA:
Well said!
@Hambeast
I don’t think you should feel bad about worrying about that, considering how deeply shitty the larger culture is to polyamorous people. The rest of us should feel bad for making you justifiably nervous.
@IP
I really like this suggestion, thank you.
I dont think I could ever do a poly relationship. Being autistic, a one on one relationship can be a complex endeavor of its own. Adding like three other people??? wah that’s too much. I don’t even really know three people I’m not related to well enough to be in relationship with, if i dont count my partner.
Yeah, this is just reminding me of all the times poly people (especially the straight ones) have accused me and others online of “denying our true natures”
I suppose I should add the disclaimer that I’m not poly in any way, and have never been in any form of poly relationship.
Going to agree with weirwoodtreehugger here. Straight cis men (especially white ones) generally don’t have much to worry about if they’re poly. Society encourages that stuff for them anyways
@WWTH
Oh, yes, absolutely. I definitely didn’t mean to imply that his cheating is somehow retroactively okay because he later realized polyamory is right for him. He might justify his own past actions that way, I don’t know, but he’s definitely aware that I think it was unacceptable regardless of the circumstances.
Honestly, that’s probably part of why I haven’t said much to him about this relationship. The giant stop-cheating-or-stop-being-my-friend fight of 2012 (or whatever) was… unpleasant.
@IP
Totally agree.
Thanks, Viscaria. It doesn’t help that one of Husbeast’s GFs also likes to push the public boundaries. (Yes, it’s the one I don’t like so much.) I’ve known the other GF for years and we both prefer (or in her case need) to keep things on the down low. The last time we were all out (with another poly couple) we spent a lot of time rolling our eyes at one another.
I will say that being with someone who’s poly is SO much easier when everyone is sympatico! I didn’t get along with Husbeast’s first ex, but that wasn’t an issue since she lived farther away and because she didn’t run in our social circle, I could just avoid her. Now everyone is in the same social circle and it’s… complicated.
Oh, I didn’t think you were trying to excuse it. Just like you said, that’s the excuse he’s giving to himself.
You would obviously know better than me, but it sounds like maybe it’s not so much that he’s poly but more like he gets off on testing and pushing past boundaries and seeing what he can get away with? I just wonder why, if he had this epiphany where he realized he was poly, did he not seek out a girlfriend who is poly. Why did he decide to convince someone who is normally mono to let him see other women instead? It just sounds kind of like he has some issues with misogyny and is trying to cover it up with a progressive veneer. Kind of like Bernie bro trolls. Or male feminists who tell female feminists that they’re being sex negative prudes if they don’t want to do a particular sex act.
Maybe I’m being too harsh, but then again, I doubt you’d be asking for advice if you weren’t seeing the same red flags.
Weirwoodtreehugger, or like Straight genderconforming cis guys that say I have some progressive duty to try having sex with them. They bring out progressive rhetoric about loving the person, not the genitals to harass queer people.
🙁
Generally I don’t trust straight white cis dudes who get involved in progressive stuff at first. Cause so many times I’ve seen them use it as an excuse to get away with being sexist/racist/homophobic with “what you know me I’m progressive” as an out.
I don’t think anyone needs to worry about being too harsh. If anyone is making incorrect inferences, I know it’s because you only have access to the information I’ve chosen to share. And I’m just now starting to realize that I’m really, really mad at him, and have been for a while. For the record, he has been with poly women, and I understand he was clear at the outset of this relationship as to what he wanted.
I’ll just vent out one last bit of bile and then I’ll leave this thread well enough alone. The thing that made me go from “this is weird, but it’s none of my business” to “I really want to say sonething” was a couple of weeks ago, when OF had agreed to accompany NF to pick up her mother (who is difficult to deal with) at the bus depot after his date with someone else. Instead, he stayed on that date for nearly THREE HOURS past the point when he said he would be home, forcing NF to go pick him up from another lover’s home on the way to the bus station. Who does that?! UGH.
Should’ve refreshed before posting, ’cause I was still assuming there was some benefit of the doubt going on there. But no, if he ain’t clueless and just an abusive ass, none of that applies.
Brains slow tonight.
Also, glad trolly didn’t come back, ’cause he was already boring.
Oh, wow, this really exploded. Not gonna make a huge long comment because I mostly agree with folks upthread and haven’t much energy. The short form is, I’ve met OF before, or at any rate I’ve met dudes exactly like him. He ain’t gonna change for the better, and he’s probably gonna get worse the longer he’s able to keep getting away with shit.
My best advice to NF is to dump his ass sooner than later. And probably find a monagamous person next time; poly ain’t everyone’s cup of tea.
@ Viscaria,
So much I agree with, said by so many. Particularly IP’s point that (paraphrased) you have a right to talk to Old Friend about how their treatment of New Friend affects your life, and your attitude to Old Friend.
In addition to being hurtful to NF, this particular public display of OF’s polyness is making you feel uncomfortable having to choose between complicit silence or taking a stand that can be dismissed as anti poly rather than anti assholery.
This from Hambeast:
is the reason I stopped shagging a guy in a similarly lopsidedly poly situation. I did not enjoy realising I was being displayed to admiring male mates as an unlocked achievement.
The major thing I found attractive about this guy was his apparent emotional commitment to his relationships. Treating both his longterm and his short-term partners as props in a play about himself killed that attraction.
Brain Bleach for MarshB (and everyone else, obv)
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Pauline G,
That’s not remotely true and I’m not going to Google for you.
Also, I don’t actually give a happy rat’s ass if you get conned. So, do your own Googling or don’t. I have zero fucks to give. Send him all your money if it floats your boat.
OF is definitely engaging in unethical non-monogamy. A really important part of negotiating a non-monogamous (or in this case monogamish) relationship is establishing comfort levels around disclosure. Poly relationships are a lot of work, but this is the easy stuff.
This is not a “She didn’t tell me, how should I know?” situation; this is a “You should have fucking asked” situation. Especially with a mono partner who may be largely in the dark about appropriate conventions and less practiced in establishing boundaries. It’d be like an experienced kinkster doing a scene with a newbie and saying “They didn’t let me know their safeword, so how could I know when they wanted me to stop?”
I agree with the approach of “This shit makes me uncomfortable; can’t you see that you’re hurting her?” If any poly-specific details come up, you can say you’ve been doing some research, and “this is how I understand it should be done.”
There was this and then his recent pissed off video he did about women getting educated, ranting about how “This is what I have to deal with as a 38 year old man.” It’s hilarious. His tone seems a lot more off the rails than before. I guess some of it might be his reaction to being a 38 year old loser, but I also think he has to try harder to be present in the shock-media market. We have an internet troll for president who all these guys have to compete with now, even on this blog.
It’s absolutely true and actually pretty easy to find with Google.
You’re just talking out your ass now.
I don’t agree with most of Roosh’s more recent articles saying women shouldn’t go to college, should starting popping out kids at 20, always submit to men, etc. And the alt-right flirtation is embarrassing.
However, the older pick-up and game advice from 5 to 10 years ago is solid. It works. And I don’t need to send him all of my money, you can own all of his books for less than 50 bucks.
@Paulie G
Picking up women
By harming their self esteem
Sounds just a bit wrong.
You mean rape?
You’re right, that’s not how you treat anyone, whether you’re in a relationship or not but definitely not someone you’re in a polyamorous relationship with.
This dude is using polyamory to be an excuse to be a fucking douche bag. Polyamory or open relationships aren’t about ogling or dating or screwing anyone you want, it’s about loving or liking someone enough to want to be them but also have those feelings for other people, it’s about trusting everyone you’re in a relationship with because, guess what, you can still cheat while in a polyamorous relationship!
If you ever going to or want to enter a polyamory relationship or decide to open your relationship, what you do is establish rules or the lack thereof and agreeing on the terms. Maybe someone wants the other partner(s) to ask if they can sleep with someone or maybe they don’t care, maybe they wanna bring other partner(s) into the bedroom or on dates, maybe someone doesn’t care that their partner is dating someone else and they don’t care or don’t wanna know–whatever it is, you sit down and talk it out before doing it and if someone steps out of the bounds or break rules, guess what, they did a bad and cheated! And these terms can be renegotiated at any time if someone feels unfortable about them.
Polyamory isn’t about disregarding your partner(s)’ feelings just so you have free reign to do whatever, boundaries still exist, and everyone must be consenting throughout the relationship(s).
Yeah, no, no one is “poly”. Everyone has the capability to be infatuated or whatever with multiple people at the same time, it’s just some people are more comfortable with being in a relationship with more than one person or dating someone who is dating more than one person or what the fuck ever. This has nothing to do with being “poly” but more about your personal taste at the moment in your life.
For fuck sakes, as if all people only have sexual attractions or feelings for their partner; as if someone being attracted or romantically infatuated with someone else while being in a relationship is somehow not how shit works. Other people are just not still attractive when you’re in a relationship? Those crushes and lingering romantic feelings just gone once monogamy settles in?
Literally only people who are poly have ever liked more than one person at once, for real? For real?
(I mean, like, if suddenly only finding one personal romantically and sexually attractive is the norm…like…that’s news to me.)
You meet anyone who think they are “poly”, as if it’s a label like being gay or trans, you be fucking skeptical because it’s not a label like that; if they are poly as in they are in a polyamorous relationship, that’s okay though because that’s what being poly is.
So fuck this fucking asshole, they’re just a cheating fuckhead who’s fucking using polyamory as a fucking excuse for their fucking cheating so fuck that fuckhead; fuck them and anyone else who fucking using poly as a fucking “label” to try to push a fucking relationship dynamic their partner(s) may not fucking want.
Fucking dump their fucking fuck ass.
Also, I don’t care if he’s your friend or not, still a fuckhead and I don’t like him. He gives a bad name to people in polyamorous relationships everywhere.
@Jack:
God damn but you do righteous indignation well. I couldn’t find a good “raises lighter” gif for that, but it made me want to look. Bravo.
@Paulie G:
What else could you do with 50 bucks? I hear Dalillama’s got a charity going. Giving it to them, or to Planned Parenthood or the Wellcome Trust or any other group like that, at least means that it doesn’t get into the hands of a rapist.