There’s a civil war brewing in the midst of the once-happy alt-right. No, I don’t mean the squabbles between those alt-rightists who’ve abandoned Trump over his Syria attack and those sticking with Daddy — that’s old news. I mean the civil war between the neo-Nazis who think the earth is a globe and those who think it’s flat.
Yes, that’s right: There are Nazi Flat Earthers, for real, who think that “globe-heads” (that’s what flat earthers call the rest of us) are as big of a problem as “globalists.”
This is news not just to you and me but to some in the alt-right itself, including Daily Stormer head boy Andrew Anglin, who posted a joke video about flat eartherism yesterday only to discover that some of his fans take the flat earth very seriously.
In the comments to his post, the Nazi Flat Earthers laid out their case, such as it is. (Here’s a direct link to the discussion on the Daily Stormer forum; archive.is doesn’t seem to work properly with forums.)
“omg, I can’t believe you guys haven’t figured out the world is flat yet…..” wrote someone calling himself Excalibur
here is a challenge for all the non believers , somebody give me a picture of the earth that is not CGI
just one
(Er, this one?)
“Whiteliberty,” meanwhile, suggested that STEM logic supports the flat earth “thesis.”
Science is the acquisition of knowledge capable of being reproduced.
You can’t reproduce Big Bang. It’s not science.
With flat earth, there are multiple lines of evidence that point in the same direction.
Many globe claims have been power of suggestion, reliance on authority, and black box frauds. As a thesis, flat earth is stronger in 2017 than 2007. …
Newton’s Third Law prohibits acceleration in space. You need a medium to move: floor, water, atmosphere. Space is not a medium. This would explain why NASA had to lie and fake a moon mission.
“Interjew” rehashed a favorite flat earther argument, that ships don’t really go over the horizon at all; they’re just hard to see at such a great distance.
Using modern technology, you can zoom them back in. They’re not a mile below a curvature, they just go beyond the vanishing point of perspective.
3rdRicht had some serious thoughts about moonlight
I only started looking into what Flat Earth theories within the last month.
1 interesting point is at night, it is cooler in the Moonlight than it is in the shade.
I have no idea what he’s talking about or how this “fact,” if true, would support the idea of a flat earth.
“Fun fact,”whitemanshame added, “all the moon mission astronauts were satanic freemasons.”
KingOfTheNorth1488 added sarcastically
If Jews and masons tell me I’m on a spinning ball moving through the universe at near lightspeed, I believe them because they are experts and my eyes are lying to me.
There were, of course, quite a few Daily Stormer readers who took issue with the flat earth nonsense.
“[F]lat earth requires us to believe that almost everything we know about the entirety of physics is completely wrong and upside down,” StormCommando noted.
What are all the thousands of photos of stars, galaxies and planets and why would they go to such extreme lengths to create such a dumb conspiracy? And why would they invent all of these apparently totally fictional satellites and go into great detail about their workings, specifications, and spend time making these elaborate and unnecessary ‘props’ in lab environments? Again, utterly stupid idea.
But hey, he went on to add, it’s not like the Holocaust is real though.
I can buy holocaust revisionism because that’s a conceivable lie. It’s about distorting the facts of something which already happened. … [I]t’s very easy with a little examination to disprove the holohoax.
Someone calling himself BobMarely (!) was a little upset that the topic had even come up.
Maybe I am weird but I HATE FLATEARTH MORE THAN CHILD RAPING PAVEMENT APES. Why in the hell is Anglin posting this crap? This is disgusting beyond words. … Is this humor? It doesn’t seem to have any entertainment value. Is the entire goal of this video just to irritate me personally?
Still, even some of those not completely convinced by the flat earth theory had no trouble believing that the moon landings, at least, were faked.
“One thing is for sure: We never went to the moon,” wrote fascistlemming.
I find it kinda shocking that so many people think we did. “The jews faked 6 million dead kikes with fake shower rooms, but faking the moon landing is impossible because of reasons.”
Despite the animus, flat earth Nazis and globeheads alike agreed on one thing: it’s all the fault of the lying Jews.
As the round-earthers see it, it’s the Jews who are behind the flat earth movement. A fellow calling himself Dune noted:
One of the main proponents of [the flat earth theory] is a jew named Mark Sargent. … Anything lead by a jew and randomly pushed toward the masses via their pawns is questionable for the larger picture they may be working towards.
To JosephGoebbels,
the flat earth theory comes from the jews who will do anything they can to get white people to not believe in the Holy Bible as truth.
Don’t ask me to explain this theory in more detail, as Mr. Goebbels didn’t even explain it himself.
The flat earthers, meanwhile, suggest that Jews are hiding the reality of the flat earth behind a mountain of Jew lies.
SouthernFascist suggested that
They lie about the holocaust, they lie about the bible, they lie about every single war, they constantly change history, the pretend to be part of the European diaspora, they lie about the control their banks have, they shovel race mixing propaganda down our throats, so if any of this flat earth stiff has any merit at all, it wouldn’t be a surprise if the jews were lying about that too.
[W]hitemanshame was a bit more definite on this point:
Globe theory hatched from the Jews.
Do your research.
Jews, Jesuits and freemasons pushed the globe fantasy.
Anglin, annoyed both by the flat earthers and by those anti-flat-earthers who didn’t realize the flat earth video he posted had been a joke, added a big disclaimer at the top of the posts — and closed the comments.
In a followup post, he made clear to his readers that not only isn’t he a flat earther; he doesn’t even want people talking about the subject on his website.
I do not believe the earth is flat, nor is it something I want to promote to people.
If you do believe the earth is flat, that is your own business, but I don’t want that on my website.
Again, it was a mistake to post the video, as I am aware that there is an army of people on the internet who push this idea.
I don’t even want to make this post, because I don’t want these people sending me fifty trillion emails, but I want to be clear that I didn’t make that post to endorse flat earth theories. …
Seriously though, this type of thing is just… I mean, use some common sense, guys.
I understand you’re not scientists, and I understand you’ve been lied to a lot so you’re willing to question anything, but just look: 100% of scientists would either be lying about this or be in on the conspiracy, while 100% of pilots and shipmen would have to be in on the conspiracy, along with all of the governments of the world, the militaries, television, telecommunications and any other company that uses satellites and on and on and on would have to be in on this conspiracy to lie to you about the shape of the earth.
He’s right, of course. It just seems like a slightly ironic argument for someone who is a Holocaust denier to make.
@Imaginary Petal: I was reading through the comments at work when my co-worker stopped and said “Is that a Richard Spencer pokemon card????” He thought the weakness x 9 was the funniest, though I have to admit that I’ve never played the game and enjoyed the words a lot more.
Re: beers – I really do love IPAs. I know it’s pretty cliche, because that’s what everyone says, but I really do. I also love the Weiss beers, and the sour beers that are just starting to be a thing in the craft breweries around here.
There was a really great mango sour beer that the micro brewery on my way home only brewed the once… ;__;
I used to be pretty fond of stouts, but I had a horrible stout that pretty much ruined them for me. It was like, a bbq stout? They had just used liquid smoke to pull that flavour out, though. So every time I drink a stout now, that’s all I taste.
I’ll try again in a few months, maybe I can retrain myself so I can enjoy ’em again!
OT: Flat earth doesn’t make any sense, and the pretzels people need to tie themselves in to make things work are just…. Ridiculous.
@Troubelle: Very good song, I’m glad David posted it in the entirety!
EJ:
I don’t think the moon has “cold light”, as such. It’s just that the speed of dark is faster than the speed of light, so the dark has more energy, but it’s negative. QED.
Wait, that doesn”t work. More research needed.
@IP
It’s melodious, yet at the same time it has a punchy rhythm from the fact that it’s two single-syllable words. Pole hole.
I think flat earthism is perfect crankery for the kind of people who want to believe something weird just for the sake of being special snowflakes.
Flat earth is the popular archetype of outdated science, anti-science, darkness of Dark Ages. It’s really widely known and mocked, for a type of fringe crankery that very few people actually believe in. However, it doesn’t brand you as a potentially dangerous misfit, like being a nazi would.
@Rhuu
x9 weakness to fighting was probably my favorite part as well. :p
I’m a sucker for porters, especially American ones and chocolatey ones. There’s a great Gothenburg porter called Carnegie, which is probably my fav right now. Other than that, I have a thing for Czech lagers. Staropramen, Zlatopramen, Pilsner Urquell, Starobrno, etc. I also enjoy Medalla, Presidente, Kingfisher, Singha, and others.
Not a fan of IPA though :/
Those are called Lines of Longitude… they all point in the same direction because the earth is round.
Note: Bringing logic to a Flat Earth argument is futile. They’re better at self-rationalization than anyone they talk to. Perhaps they’ve been hypnotized by the Sun going around in circles.
Ooooooowwww my brain. Why did I read any of that?
I’d read the heck out of a science fiction book in an inverted planet setting, just for all the weird effects the setting would have on the tech and culture.
If the Earth is flat, how can white supremacists have friends on the Moon?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/
Helix_luco:
Christopher Priest’s Inverted World features a different kind of inversion, but it’s certainly weird. Like most of his writing, it didn’t really work for me, but many readers regard it as landmark SF.
There is, of course, a lot of SF set in artificial inside-out worlds, such as Larry Niven’s Ringworld books, Clarke’s Rendezvous with Rama, and Greg Bear’s Eon.
You might also enjoy the anime Patema Inverted.
@Alan Robertshaw:
Except it’s been something like 150+ years since they discovered the brontosaurus, so that’s not a recent discovery at all! And if you’re going to argue that they recently reinstated the species, I’ve got one word to tear your argument apart: WRONG!
@Bina:
Maybe the Greeks thought they needed a place for grown-ass people to strip off and compete. My kids know that they don’t need a special place to run around with no kit on, merely the right mood. At least they know that the proper mood does not strike when we take them to gymnastics.
@IP:
“… And that, you sheeple, is how we know the Earth to be Reesie-cup shaped!”
You don’t have to imagine that in the voice of Terry Jones’ Sir Bedevere, because it would probably make you averse to Terry Jones, but I can’t help it myself.
@VP
After TSR had mapped every inch of space laid out to support their Mystara line, rather than flip the map over and show us the other side of the world, they invented the Hollow World. The conspiracy extends to our tabletop games!!!11!
@IP: I think Porters might be my gateway back into stouts! I should really try more of them. I like chocolatey flavours as well, but not coffee. (Not a fan of coffee at all) and unfortunately the easiest to get local porter is coffee flavoured. Pah!
edited to add: This is the porter I was talking about- Millstreet Coffee Porter http://millstreetbrewery.com/special-release/coffee-porter/
And here’s the sour beer that both my room mates (notorious not-beer people) enjoyed! http://halobrewery.com/beer/Second_Sun
I also really enjoy this one, Magic Missile – http://halobrewery.com/beer/Magic_Missile – In the picture, the beer is surrounded by d4s!
I’m not a huge fan of lagers, but again, I should try more! It’s a long weekend coming up, I should just go to the store and buy a few singles of different types of beer. That’s always fun.
@Moggie
Early sci-fi TV, and maybe a bit cheesy (risking the ire of half a billion Trekkies…), “For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky”
So this happened.
@Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
He invokes Godwin, then downplays Nazis, then stumbled again, just as Russian investigations started to increase more. In an administration whose base consists of bigots and literal Nazis. It’s like watching a troll double down in real life, only a tad more shameful.
@Oogly
“Clusterfuck” doesn’t describe this thing accurately anymore.
50 years from now, assuming our species makes it that long, people will use slang based on the Trump days to describe incredible levels of fucked-up.
Shit it’s already started. Bet some of these will survive for a long while.
@IP
I like Sam Adams Summer Ale, and Heineken. But, I’m no expert. For a long time, I couldn’t have cared less about beer. Then came the explosion of microbreweries in the US…in the 80s, when I came of age, you didn’t have much of a choice…Bud, Miller, and Micheloeb soured me on beer for years.
I know. I was being ironic. [/epicfail]
Steven Dutch
Ever since, they’ve been trying to get out of the corner they’ve painted themselves into, which they can do with three little words: “We were wrong.”
Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer
Thing is, the whole edifice of the Catholic Church is predicated on them not being wrong, ever, about anything substantive.
I’m no apologist for the RCC. But fair is fair. The Pope apologized about the Galileo incident on 31 October 1992. Now, it was over 350 years AFTER the trial in 1633, but better late than never, I say.
Actually, the RCC gets a bad rap about being anti-science. It doesn’t hold to biblical literalism, but claims that the works of God (The Universe) and the Words of God (Scripture) must comport. If they don’t, then the RCC will revise their theology to match the science. Which they have done many times, most notably over heliocentrism and evolution.
However, the science must be overwhelmingly accepted by the vast majority of scientists in the field before they will accept it. This can take a long, long time.
Their major priority is that their followers do not lose their faith in the Church as the only vehicle for salvation and if that means waiting decades, or even centuries, before any change in a Church position is made, then it is for the greater good.
(I hate to say it, but that is the whole justification for the pedophile scandal – from their point of view, it is better, though regrettable, that a few kids get abused, than people flee the Church in outrage, lose their salvation and burn in hell as a result. As Hitchens said “Religion poisons everything”.)
“Shipmen”??????!
Is that an American thing? Don’t you say seamen? Seafarer? Sailor? Морячка? Моряк?
Shipmen? Fucking hell….but as a shipmen, i can 100% confirm i am in on the conspiracy.
@Valentine,
Aha. I knew there was something fishy about you.
Get it? Shipmen … fishy?
I know, I know. Throw me overboard 😛
@mish
Walk the plank u skyrvy dog!
@ falconer
When we consider the geological timescales involved then any human involvement with dinosaurs is surely ‘recent’ by definition? 🙂
But I just want to live in a world where Brontosauruses can gaze up at the planet Pluto whilst eating Marathon bars.
@ dalillama
In London, the problem is mainly giant kittens.
Fun fact: until relatively recently the Post Office Tower didn’t appear on maps because it was technically a secret installation. We still managed to find it though.