There’s a civil war brewing in the midst of the once-happy alt-right. No, I don’t mean the squabbles between those alt-rightists who’ve abandoned Trump over his Syria attack and those sticking with Daddy — that’s old news. I mean the civil war between the neo-Nazis who think the earth is a globe and those who think it’s flat.
Yes, that’s right: There are Nazi Flat Earthers, for real, who think that “globe-heads” (that’s what flat earthers call the rest of us) are as big of a problem as “globalists.”
This is news not just to you and me but to some in the alt-right itself, including Daily Stormer head boy Andrew Anglin, who posted a joke video about flat eartherism yesterday only to discover that some of his fans take the flat earth very seriously.
In the comments to his post, the Nazi Flat Earthers laid out their case, such as it is. (Here’s a direct link to the discussion on the Daily Stormer forum; archive.is doesn’t seem to work properly with forums.)
“omg, I can’t believe you guys haven’t figured out the world is flat yet…..” wrote someone calling himself Excalibur
here is a challenge for all the non believers , somebody give me a picture of the earth that is not CGI
just one
(Er, this one?)
“Whiteliberty,” meanwhile, suggested that STEM logic supports the flat earth “thesis.”
Science is the acquisition of knowledge capable of being reproduced.
You can’t reproduce Big Bang. It’s not science.
With flat earth, there are multiple lines of evidence that point in the same direction.
Many globe claims have been power of suggestion, reliance on authority, and black box frauds. As a thesis, flat earth is stronger in 2017 than 2007. …
Newton’s Third Law prohibits acceleration in space. You need a medium to move: floor, water, atmosphere. Space is not a medium. This would explain why NASA had to lie and fake a moon mission.
“Interjew” rehashed a favorite flat earther argument, that ships don’t really go over the horizon at all; they’re just hard to see at such a great distance.
Using modern technology, you can zoom them back in. They’re not a mile below a curvature, they just go beyond the vanishing point of perspective.
3rdRicht had some serious thoughts about moonlight
I only started looking into what Flat Earth theories within the last month.
1 interesting point is at night, it is cooler in the Moonlight than it is in the shade.
I have no idea what he’s talking about or how this “fact,” if true, would support the idea of a flat earth.
“Fun fact,”whitemanshame added, “all the moon mission astronauts were satanic freemasons.”
KingOfTheNorth1488 added sarcastically
If Jews and masons tell me I’m on a spinning ball moving through the universe at near lightspeed, I believe them because they are experts and my eyes are lying to me.
There were, of course, quite a few Daily Stormer readers who took issue with the flat earth nonsense.
“[F]lat earth requires us to believe that almost everything we know about the entirety of physics is completely wrong and upside down,” StormCommando noted.
What are all the thousands of photos of stars, galaxies and planets and why would they go to such extreme lengths to create such a dumb conspiracy? And why would they invent all of these apparently totally fictional satellites and go into great detail about their workings, specifications, and spend time making these elaborate and unnecessary ‘props’ in lab environments? Again, utterly stupid idea.
But hey, he went on to add, it’s not like the Holocaust is real though.
I can buy holocaust revisionism because that’s a conceivable lie. It’s about distorting the facts of something which already happened. … [I]t’s very easy with a little examination to disprove the holohoax.
Someone calling himself BobMarely (!) was a little upset that the topic had even come up.
Maybe I am weird but I HATE FLATEARTH MORE THAN CHILD RAPING PAVEMENT APES. Why in the hell is Anglin posting this crap? This is disgusting beyond words. … Is this humor? It doesn’t seem to have any entertainment value. Is the entire goal of this video just to irritate me personally?
Still, even some of those not completely convinced by the flat earth theory had no trouble believing that the moon landings, at least, were faked.
“One thing is for sure: We never went to the moon,” wrote fascistlemming.
I find it kinda shocking that so many people think we did. “The jews faked 6 million dead kikes with fake shower rooms, but faking the moon landing is impossible because of reasons.”
Despite the animus, flat earth Nazis and globeheads alike agreed on one thing: it’s all the fault of the lying Jews.
As the round-earthers see it, it’s the Jews who are behind the flat earth movement. A fellow calling himself Dune noted:
One of the main proponents of [the flat earth theory] is a jew named Mark Sargent. … Anything lead by a jew and randomly pushed toward the masses via their pawns is questionable for the larger picture they may be working towards.
To JosephGoebbels,
the flat earth theory comes from the jews who will do anything they can to get white people to not believe in the Holy Bible as truth.
Don’t ask me to explain this theory in more detail, as Mr. Goebbels didn’t even explain it himself.
The flat earthers, meanwhile, suggest that Jews are hiding the reality of the flat earth behind a mountain of Jew lies.
SouthernFascist suggested that
They lie about the holocaust, they lie about the bible, they lie about every single war, they constantly change history, the pretend to be part of the European diaspora, they lie about the control their banks have, they shovel race mixing propaganda down our throats, so if any of this flat earth stiff has any merit at all, it wouldn’t be a surprise if the jews were lying about that too.
[W]hitemanshame was a bit more definite on this point:
Globe theory hatched from the Jews.
Do your research.
Jews, Jesuits and freemasons pushed the globe fantasy.
Anglin, annoyed both by the flat earthers and by those anti-flat-earthers who didn’t realize the flat earth video he posted had been a joke, added a big disclaimer at the top of the posts — and closed the comments.
In a followup post, he made clear to his readers that not only isn’t he a flat earther; he doesn’t even want people talking about the subject on his website.
I do not believe the earth is flat, nor is it something I want to promote to people.
If you do believe the earth is flat, that is your own business, but I don’t want that on my website.
Again, it was a mistake to post the video, as I am aware that there is an army of people on the internet who push this idea.
I don’t even want to make this post, because I don’t want these people sending me fifty trillion emails, but I want to be clear that I didn’t make that post to endorse flat earth theories. …
Seriously though, this type of thing is just… I mean, use some common sense, guys.
I understand you’re not scientists, and I understand you’ve been lied to a lot so you’re willing to question anything, but just look: 100% of scientists would either be lying about this or be in on the conspiracy, while 100% of pilots and shipmen would have to be in on the conspiracy, along with all of the governments of the world, the militaries, television, telecommunications and any other company that uses satellites and on and on and on would have to be in on this conspiracy to lie to you about the shape of the earth.
He’s right, of course. It just seems like a slightly ironic argument for someone who is a Holocaust denier to make.
ah of course…. that explains EVERYTHING !
(I still see Babylon 5’s Londo Mollari every time I come across that picture)
I think that guy is the reason the Centauri though earth was one of their long lost colonies
Oops. I changed a “they” to a “you” accidentally in the last part of my comment. It should read.
My family used to have a friend way back in the day who denied evolution, the moon landing, and the holocaust, and thought Jews and masons controlled everything. When a relative of mine briefly talked to her again, asking what she thought of Trump the alt right hero, she even said Trump is a Jewish shill. Crazy is crazy does I guess.
“Newton’s Third Law prohibits acceleration in space.”
I… okay, science is literally my worst subject, but…… Newton’s laws were about EARTH, right? Do those laws even apply to outer space? Do scientists even try to?
There’s very little I remember from my science classes, but I was pretty sure Newton was about stuff on Earth.
@Ouroboros13
Comments policy, please!
@dlouwe
It’s not in moderation. It just sends me to the same page, parked at the top, and my message is just not there.
Is it a good song, at least?
I’ll try to chop it up and drop it here, in the interim.
http://i.imgur.com/axPoiLO.png
I really feel like I might end up making quite a few of these.
(backed by bass [ol- . ol- . olcol-ol-.] and clap [ . xl- . xl- . xl- . xl-])
Sayin’ its the right time
Shovelin’ up the grime
In a tone so asinine
You’re talkin’ ’bout a redline
I know I’m not the only one to notice here
How quick you are to jump and defend
A state whose cruel intentions are oh-so-clear
Claimin’ that all the trouble’s pretend
A fantasy you claim is from the lib’ral side
To provoke your beloved Fuhrer to strike
But when they’ve got a track record ten miles wide
You try to blame it on them–[Man I’m not sayin’ that, brace for a mass attack!]
Our alleged fake news versus alternative facts
About the nature of the reality about these attacks
With the body count of humanity teeterin’ on the brink
It could escalate in the time it takes to blink
Raise your flags
And vary your hashtags
It’s a day for you and me
Your war against reality
Damn the facts
‘Longside the yellows, browns and blacks
There ain’t nobody keepin’ score
Welcome to the war
I won’t put down a single dime
On claims there’s been some massive crime
Nor will, I hope, I ever find
Me on your side of the frontline
The orange moron gave the first command
To use explosives to crack tarmac
Yet you’re caterwaulin’ bout us on your land
And on evidence that you lack
Goin’ on about some deeper state
Pulled by forces you can’t control
You could get out before it’s too late
But you keep diggin’ your god-damned hole
You’re not about to impress
Anyone with your ramblin’ ’bout 4-D chess
And if you’re lookin’ for peeps who want World War 3
Look to the towers, not at me
Raise your flags
And vary your hashtags
It’s a day for you and me
Your war against reality
Damn the facts
‘Longside the yellows, browns and blacks
There ain’t nobody keepin’ score
Welcome to the war
…again, it’s still not letting me post The Good Part.
Random question but are there any Mammotheers who are Chinese and/or speak Mandarin?
@Troubelle
Is it possible to upload the song to some place that hosts sound files?
@IP
It’s just the lyrics, unless dlouwe wants to put music to them again.
Plus, I’ve had the same problem with posts containing links:
-Hit post
-Post is NOT THERE (not in moderation, GONE)
-Attempt to re-send same content
-Claims it’s a duplicate post
@Troubelle
Aha, okay. Yeah, I’ve had that happen a few times as well. I have no idea why that happens sometimes. 🙁
@IP
Well, it’s still hampering my ability to get my music out. Maybe if I do it stanza by stanza…
*sigh*
Dave is not gonna be happy.
[ritardando, add record crackle]
Welcome to the land of the allegedly free
Home of the war on our reality
Welcome to the land of the allegedly free
In the blackness there’s nothin’ to see
[And I look out and say…]
Welcome to the land [In desolation!]
Of the allegedly free [The remains of a fallen nation]
Surely the price of your life’s a simple fee
Welcome to the land [The fissures crawlin’ down!]
Of the allegedly free [No man to wear the crown!]
Prepare to fight for what we call a country
Welcome to the land [Look past it all!]
Of the allegedly free [See the ruins of a bombed-out mall]
No, you’ll never get a single plea
Welcome to the land [Tear through! Tear through!]
Of the allegedly free [Until you see the sun!]
Lock away what you knew as mercy [Come on, you know what’s real!]
And it’s stopping me again. Great.
One option might be to type it up, take a screenshot, post image?
It’s too big for a screenshot, @IP. At least if I want to preserve the structure of the stanzas. Which I do.
And even if it wasn’t, I’ve been having this issue with links as well, anyway.
Well in that case
Yes. You are so special and important that Anglin made and posted a video specifically to annoy you. /sarcasm
I told my mom about flat earthers, and she was like, “People still believe that? Why?”
OT, but do any Mammotheers know what pate a glacer is? I googled it but all that came up is where to buy the stuff.
I tried googling “pate a glacer recipe” and I’m guessing that it’s similar to chocolate ganache, ie a smooth coating for other edibles.
I just had some stout and started to feel buzzed fast. Checked the bottle, turns out it’s 9.5%. It’s called Yeti Imperial Stout (Denver, CO). Anyone had it before? I had never heard about it. It’s pretty good and quite bitter, but obviously there’s a strong alcohol flavor.
I guess I could also ask, do people have favorite beers? :p
Answering a few questions that have come up about Flat Earth Theory:
Yes, look at the UN logo, and see the true map of the world! It’s colder in the center and the edge because the Sun tends to move over the middle portion, the circle that is the equator. That should be obvious!
Circumnavigating the globe doesn’t prove anything, because traveling east and west is just going in a circle around the center (north pole).
Seeing the curvature of the Earth from a high plane flight doesn’t prove anything because light curves, thus also explaining the seasons. Don’t ask us to explain the math because it’s REALLY complicated and we’ll figure that out later. This explanation also covers the illusion that ships sink down over the horizon. Just more light curving around! Do not notice that some of these explanations require light to curve in opposing ways. I see some of you noticing this and I demand that you stop it right now!
Also, there is no such thing as satellites. Satellite dishes are just radio antenna programmed to pretend to not work if pointed in the wrong direction. Never mind that you can go outside, look up, and see satellites moving across the sky if you know when to look. If you do, you’re part of the conspiracy!
Of course, the Bible describes the shape of the earth as a circle (not a sphere) but also says it has four corners, so clearly isn’t a circle. So, flat earthers are wrong either way. But the one thing we can all agree on is that the sky is solid (firmament).
Other really important proofs that I have seen Really Truly Serious flat earth scholars demand you silly spherical earther’s explain:
If Australia is really on the bottom of the globe, why don’t Australians fall off? The oceans should have all poured off the bottom centuries ago!
If the Earth is really speeding around the sun at 67,000 mph, why haven’t we all been blown off by the wind?
If the Earth was really spinning around on its axis at over 1000 mph, why aren’t we all thrown off, or at least really dizzy? Oh, right, it’s faster at the equator than it is at the poles! What ridiculous laws of physics you people will make up to defend sphericism! But people on the equator should be thrown off!
@Bearpelt
Oh boy, I was hoping someone would ask!
Not only do Newton’s laws apply in space, they’re also a product of astronomical observation. You simply can’t get Principia without the work done by giants such as Kepler, but you also can’t get around in space without Newton once you’re in it.
Rockets, like other reaction engines, don’t get around by employing a medium like a propeller does. Rather, they simply push their own mass as propellent out the business end to provide a change in velocity. Whether that propellant is a hot mixture of kerosene and oxygen, magnetically accelerated hydrogen ions or impacting plasma from a detonated nuclear shaped charge is irrelevant: They all operate on the principle that pushing their own mass out will provide an equal and opposite reaction. However, since rockets lose mass as they operate, you have to model their capabilities with the rocket equation.
While there are rocket-less ways of getting around in space, these still operate on the principle of opposite reactions for given actions ala light and magnetic sailcraft. While all sailcraft have predictably low thrust, they also do not have to carry around propellant and can be much lighter than proper rockets for a given payload and mission. Non-Newtonian ways of getting around in space are unlikely, purely hypothetical constructs at best.
I’ll finally note that we use other kinds of reaction engines on a daily basis to get around within Earth’s atmosphere. If rockets did not work in space the way the flat-Earth Nazis describe, then neither would jet engines on airplanes! Remember: It’s not the air they push against to operate, but the air they’re pushing out.