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“Female Sexual Choice Must be Suppressed,” Daily Stormer demands

Woman destroying the world by choosing a man

Men’s Rights Activists aren’t good at much, but they’re remarkably adept at one thing: blaming women for things done by men. Rape? Don’t blame the rapists, blame their allegedly abusive mothers who made them that way. Environmental catastrophe? Don’t blame the CEOs of polluting corporations or the politicians who enable them, blame women and their love of shopping.

As the antifeminist Nazis of the Alt-Right move ever further into the territory of the MRAs, they’re doing their best to perfect their women-blaming skills. But they still have some ways to go, if a supremely muddled recent post on The Daily Stormer is any indication.

Daily Stormer contributor Master Ace starts off with a premise that will be familiar to anyone who has been following MRAs for any length of time — that women are destroying civilization by picking the wrong dudes to hook up with. YouTube “philosopher” and erstwhile MRA Stefan Molyneux, as you may recall, presented a particularly blunt version of this thesis in a now-notorious video rant blaming women for all the evil in the world because of their alleged inclination to choose assholes as boyfriends and husbands.

Master Ace offers a similar, if far more muddled, version of this argument in a post with the chilling title “For the Sake of All That is Good, Female Sexual Choice Must be Suppressed.”

Like many of his MRA brethren, Ace starts off with a bit of the old Evo Psych. Like their orangutan sisters, Ace declares, human females gravitate towards macho alpha males.

A human female will attempt to become impregnated with (what she judges to be) the best genes available, and simultaneously, she will attempt to utilize her sexual capital to maximize the resources at her disposal.

But alas, the innate hunger of human females for all things alpha runs contrary to the needs of our modern civilized society.

Civilization has historically operated on the excess production of “beta” males. “Beta” males ganged up on the “alpha” male and convinced him to guarantee them sexual (reproductive) access to females in exchange for excess labor, and allowing him to live. Or, possibly, the “alpha” male decided there were too many women for him to fuck, and it made more sense to use them as bargaining chips, in exchange for excess labor.

I’m pretty sure that neither of these hypotheses bears any resemblance to anything that ever happened in the real world.

The precise details are irrelevant.

I suppose they are, if you’re just pulling random crap out of your rear end to rationalize something you already believe.

The important point is that in a post-agrarian world, any normal man is capable of producing far more than he needs. This extra production has myriad uses (traditionally, supporting a family, and the endeavors of the state), but a man requires some incentive in order to generate this excess production. That incentive has historically been sexual access to females, and there is no substitute, so far as I can tell.

Uh, have you ever heard of “money?”

Basically, civilization happened because “alpha” and “beta” males got together and said, “Hey, we’re stronger, smarter, and more imaginative than these twats. Instead of letting them play us like a bunch of shmucks, let’s divide them up amongst ourselves, and then there will be more for everybody, including them.”

But alas, the women of today don’t want to be divided up amongst men like so much booty. Now that women have been brainwashed by the evil Jews to believe they should have choices — you knew he was going to work Jews in their somehow, right? — they are actually picking out which guys they want to have sex with.

And as far as Mr. Ace is concerned, they’re picking out the wrong guys.

The women are free, they are fucking every asshat with a facial tattoo, or a headful of hair that more resembles a peacock than a human being, or an abundance of gaudy jewelery, or a physique that expresses, “I spend more time trying to look tough, than actually training to be tough.”

But Ace isn’t just mad that women are allegedly throwing themselves at every tattooed “alpha” while ignoring the world’s hardworking betas. Ace, who acknowledges that these guys are “probably getting more pussy than I am,” is pretty much furious that women are picking anyone other than him.

[A]llowing females to choose who gets laid and which genomes survive isn’t working for much of anyone. They manage to land a guy who can afford a butler and the next thing you know they are fucking the butler. They find a guy who can bench 300#, and suddenly they want a man who has read a book. Show them a pretty boy, with great hair, an eyebrow piercing and a few trendy tattoos – they’ll demand a man with calluses on his hands and boots on his feet.

In short, they want it all.

Even assuming any of this is true, how would this mean that the current system “isn’t working for much of anyone?” In his scenario, the system seems to be working quite well for 1) butlers, 2) book-readers, 3) boot-wearers and, oh yeah, 4) the “females” who are having sex with all of them.

Somehow, in Ace’s mind, this imaginary world in which everyone but him seems to be having almost constant sex is in fact a world in which

Almost nobody is getting laid as often as they would like, even the most attractive people. Everybody knows something is off.

As Ace sees it, there is only one solution to fix this world in which “almost nobody is getting laid” — while simultaneously getting laid all the time: we need to get rid of women’s right to choose who they have sex with.

Simply remove female sex selection from the human reproductive equation. Almost everybody will be getting laid. The women will feel like they are being raped. And everybody will be more or less happy.

I have a much better idea, dude. Go fuck yourself.

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Bina
3 years ago

“Master Ace” should change his name to Master Beta.

That said: It’s Numbskull-to-English Translation Time again! Ready? Here we go…

A human female will attempt to become impregnated with (what she judges to be) the best genes available, and simultaneously, she will attempt to utilize her sexual capital to maximize the resources at her disposal.

Translation: All these sluts are getting preggers, and yet strangely, even though I parade like I’m hot shit, none of them want to do it with me! The bitches!

Civilization has historically operated on the excess production of “beta” males. “Beta” males ganged up on the “alpha” male and convinced him to guarantee them sexual (reproductive) access to females in exchange for excess labor, and allowing him to live. Or, possibly, the “alpha” male decided there were too many women for him to fuck, and it made more sense to use them as bargaining chips, in exchange for excess labor.

Translation: This has actually never happened, but I’m going to keep on babbling like I know what I’m talking about, because ALPHA RALPHA MALE YARGLEBARGLE CAPITALISM!!!

(Is anyone fooled yet? Hello???)

The precise details are irrelevant.

Translation: Like said, this never happened. At all.

The important point is that in a post-agrarian world, any normal man is capable of producing far more than he needs. This extra production has myriad uses (traditionally, supporting a family, and the endeavors of the state), but a man requires some incentive in order to generate this excess production. That incentive has historically been sexual access to females, and there is no substitute, so far as I can tell.

Translation: Still going with the crappy capitalist metaphors, because I literally have no imagination for anything else.

Basically, civilization happened because “alpha” and “beta” males got together and said, “Hey, we’re stronger, smarter, and more imaginative than these twats. Instead of letting them play us like a bunch of shmucks, let’s divide them up amongst ourselves, and then there will be more for everybody, including them.”

Translation: And here is my crappy attempt to mansplain sexism away as the fault of sexually withholding bitches. Ironically, in vaguely quasi-socialist terms, because why NOT mix ideologies with wild abandon to make an utterly idiotic and implausible point?

The women are free, they are fucking every asshat with a facial tattoo, or a headful of hair that more resembles a peacock than a human being, or an abundance of gaudy jewelery, or a physique that expresses, “I spend more time trying to look tough, than actually training to be tough.”

Translation: SLUTS BE FUCKING EVERYBODY BUT MEEEEEEE BOO HOOOOOOOOZ!

[A]llowing females to choose who gets laid and which genomes survive isn’t working for much of anyone.

Translation: I should be able to rape whomever I want, because obviously letting THEM choose means I ain’t NEVER gettin’ any.

They manage to land a guy who can afford a butler and the next thing you know they are fucking the butler. They find a guy who can bench 300#, and suddenly they want a man who has read a book. Show them a pretty boy, with great hair, an eyebrow piercing and a few trendy tattoos – they’ll demand a man with calluses on his hands and boots on his feet.

Translator’s note: I have slept with literally NONE of these stereotypical men. I must not be womaning and slutting correctly. Oh, won’t somebody think of MY aching ovaries???

In short, they want it all.

Translator’s note: We do? Oh. I suppose so. You know how irrationally greedy we feeeeeemales are, so much better than we know ourselves, I’m sure. Carry on, Master Beta…

Almost nobody is getting laid as often as they would like, even the most attractive people. Everybody knows something is off.

Translator’s note: Except for the above-mentioned asexuals, who are doing just fine. For the rest of us, though, that’s not “something off”; that’s just life. We deal with our disappointments and keep on keepin’ on. Nobody expects full sexual satisfaction except, of course, a numbskull.

Simply remove female sex selection from the human reproductive equation. Almost everybody will be getting laid. The women will feel like they are being raped. And everybody will be more or less happy.

Translation: Master Beta will be more happy. The woman he’s sexually abusing will be less happy. But then again, who cares if feeeeemales are happy at all, since they’re not really people anyway? Hey, anything that gets a wanker’s willy wet should be fair game, eh fellas?

* * *

Pheurgh. That was even more sickening than usual.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

Almost everybody will be getting laid. The women will feel like they are being raped. And everybody will be more or less happy

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@Shoggoth

CF women

I’m… not familiar with this initialism. Might I ask what it stands for?

tim gueguen
3 years ago

Axecalibur, I would assume CF in this case means childfree. Some people who don’t want to have children refer to themselves as childfree.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@tim (who autocorrect insists is Tom)
Ah! I don’t think I’ve ever seen it written that way. Thx! 🙂

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
3 years ago

Ok….Master Ace….

Master-ace

Oh good lord his name is a ‘creative’ way of calling himself Master race.

*headdesk*

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

I see some commenters are asking about that strange definition of what constitutes rape, so lemme just splain the framework :

When a white man rapes a woman : that’s consensual sex.

When any man who isn’t white has any sex whatsoever with a white woman : that is rape. Unless a white man hates said white woman, in which case she’s a slut.

Whether it was consensual has strictly no bearing on the nomenclature : white men decide what is rape and what isn’t.

Furthermore, only cishet people exist. Others are part of a different reality in which rape doesn’t exist because everyone’s so horny they all fuck each other all the time and consent is always 100% guaranteed. Except when they have sex with white cishet people – that is always rape.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Beast-of-burden

When a white man rapes a woman : that’s consensual sex.

When any man who isn’t white has any sex whatsoever with a white woman : that is rape. Unless a white man hates said white woman, in which case she’s a slut.

You’re missing the crucial bit of the mental framework here: rape is a crime against property, like trespass. Brown men doing anything with white women are trespassing against the collective property of white people, you see. White guys can be rapists, if they have sex with a woman without being her owner… they need to obtain her ownership rights from the current holder (eg. her father) first. Once they’ve secured that ownership, they could no more rape her than they could steal from themselves or trespass in their own house. They’re just making use of their property.

That’s how the thinking goes. It is all about possessions. Only men are people.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
3 years ago

Sinkable John
I’ll add more to that list

women and non white people playing main characters in movies, video games, etc. That’s called ‘childhood rape’

Playing music, etc real loud or that’s not good is ‘ear rape’

Watching something that is bad to the viewer or figuring out a very difficult puzzle or something like that is called ‘Mind rape’

Being stared at is ‘stare rape’

Women rejecting sex is ‘date rape’ or just ‘rape’

Being mugged is ‘rape’

Being unemployed is ‘rape’

But all of this only applies to guys. It’s only ok when guys falsely accuse and cry rape. This is one of the reasons why people immediately don’t believe women and girls when they say they been raped, etc. Because possibly they are the ones who do this garbage and they’re just projecting.

I find it interesting that no one ever suggests to suppress mens’ sexual choice when he ‘chooses’ to be with a abusive woman, ‘Alpha Chadlette’
It’s always the womens’ fault and are the ones who should be controlled.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

The summary of the paragraphs is interesting.

1) It’s bad when female people get to have babies with the people they choose.

2) Ancient history divide people into female person owning (alpha) and non-female person owning (beta) people. They see the ownership of female people as enhancing of thier social value cumulatively. They believe in taking female people be force or buying them.

3) Recent history is “something something something, even ‘distribution of female people'”.

4) They can no longer buy female people and this makes thier boner sad.

5) They say they have to “act tough instead of be tough” to get a female person. Yet the female people are choosing other male people.

6) They fear they female person they obtain will want sex with other people. This is bad in part because his female person uses his money.

7) The bad male people who the female people like better are anyone but you in preference because they are a female person.

8) Almost no one is getting laid.

I’m not going to bother with the conclusion because it’s horrifying and I’m more interested in the “support”. The illogic is astounding. Female people are simultaneously fucking everyone and no one. The lack of reason beyond the desire to enslave and rape female people is total. I wish I could study thier upbringing and social networks to look for clues for how to more effectively dismantle that part of our culture.

People like that can engage in “extinction behavior” before they finally stop undesired social behavior. I see it in the more aggressive children that I work with. As creepy as that may seem people like us should prepare for that more actively. Much like the responses to criticism we can see in the same people online.

Bearpelt
Bearpelt
3 years ago

When I’m in my more sardonic moods, the insinuation that Jews are secretly controlling the world is hilarious.

I mean, have any of y’all ever seen us try to organize a seder? Absolute clusterfuck.

Additionally, if we really DID control the world, there’s no way we’d be quiet about it. We’d regularly complain about it literally all the time; goyim would never hear the end of it.

But Jews being responsible for women not sleeping with awful MRA fedoras? Hell, I’ll take credit for that, fucking awesome, can I put that on my resume?

dslucia
dslucia
3 years ago

Those final four lines are probably the most horrific things I’ve ever read on this website.

ischemgeek
ischemgeek
3 years ago

I have said for a long time that a really good heuristic to determine whether or not someone is a misogynistic douchebag is whether they use “female” as a noun and synonym with “woman,” especially if that person does not habitually refer to men as “males.”

I have literally never seen someone who does the “females” vs men thing who wasn’t a raging misogynist.

For the record, no I do not in fact give police a pass on this one, because I know many cops who follow the “female”/”male” procedure required of them at work and then speak normally about people outside of work. It’s called code-switching, and you do it every time you don’t curse in front of a toddler because you know the toddler will pick it up and scream “FUCK” proudly at top volume in the middle of a supermarket. Besides which, IME a cop is often – not always, but often – the biggest misogynist in the damn room. Cops are human, as fallible and prone to bigotry as the next human, and our society will be a lot better off once we take them off the can-do-no-wrong-because-they’re-HEROES pedestal we’ve put them on.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Besides which, IME a cop is often – not always, but often – the biggest misogynist in the damn room.

I’ve read somewhere that household with cops have higher incidences of domestic violence than the general public. It wouldn’t surprise me. It seems to me like a significant chunk of the people who become cops do so because they want to be able to dominate others and being on the police force gives them a socially sanctioned excuse to do so. A lot of serial killers and mass murderers have a past history of trying to enter the police or military.

Yeah, yeah. Not all cops. But I hate that hero narrative too.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ ischemgeek

It’s called code-switching,

Thanks for that. I did wonder if there was a name for it. I sometimes do a bit of live radio and at first I was paranoid that I’d accidentally swear (and wondered how kids TV presenters cope). It’s weird though that you don’t even have to think about it; it’s like there’s an automatic filter that just kicks in.

Serebrianyi Golub
Serebrianyi Golub
3 years ago

@Brony:

I wish I could study thier upbringing and social networks to look for clues for how to more effectively dismantle that part of our culture.

Me too! Any leads on research in this area? I’m fascinated because these guys are a) so terrifying and weird, but also b) so mundane – they’re reactionary patriarchy enthusiasts, their sources are super-mainstream: great man history, the Bible and other religious texts, biology and evopsych. But they take this ordinary source material and, via their…unique interpretations, whip up things like this. What are the ingredients in the making of a manospherian?

Slutty Miss Havisham Penguin
Slutty Miss Havisham Penguin
3 years ago

Shh! Nobody tell them pf the Yu tribe in China! It’ll explode their fragile little minds! (Very fascinating.) 🙂

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Serebrianyi Golub
I gave you a long reply for two of your comments, but the filters ate it (given the subject matter that’s understandable). I emailed David about it so hopefully it will pop up at some point.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Thanks David!

Leo
Leo
3 years ago

@ Gussie
Not true, people always talked about the actual plot of games. As a female gamer, I’d been talking about the presentation of female characters in games for years pre-Sarkesian with male gamers with no issue whatsoever. She ticked people off because people distrusted her motives, and, more relevantly, the rise of the far right lot was already happening, as a separate thing, so it’d always have become a problem when it hadn’t been before, because they’re totally out there unreasonable.

As in depth analysis of art her work would be lacking, but it wasn’t intended to be that in the first place. Even as frequency analysis it could stand to have some more actual stats, though it’s been improving in other ways.

I think you’re falling into the same trap the hateful Gamegators do, of assuming women weren’t already here and into gaming.

Lautaro3
Lautaro3
3 years ago

This is wrong on so many levels, i mean i don’t know why would anyone reduce another human being to an object, but that’s just me.

The premise of women as mercurial creatures who choose relationships with assholes over stability (Stefan Molyneux and co.) seems like it’s based off the behaviour of teenagers or women in their early twenties. Which suggests they aren’t really interested in adults or adult relationships. So basically older men obsessing over the “preferences” of young women/girls they shouldn’t even be thinking about in that kind of context.

Well, MRAs agree that women are useless once they reach 25, like an expiration date, sort of.

The Real Cie
3 years ago

David really picked a winner to critique for this post.
Our friend Ace says:
“The women are free, they are fucking every asshat with a facial tattoo, or a headful of hair that more resembles a peacock than a human being, or an abundance of gaudy jewelery, or a physique that expresses, “I spend more time trying to look tough, than actually training to be tough.”
As a woman (at least I was last time I checked), I have never had sex with any asshat with a facial tattoo, let alone every one of them. I’ve never even seen a man whose hair resembles a peacock, let alone had sex with one. Liberace is the only man I can think of who wore an excess of jewelry, and I never had sex with him.
I’m pretty sure Ace doesn’t have any idea what women want or are doing.