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Why The Federalist’s attack on the so-called “Friend Zone” should creep you the hell out

Sweet Valley High is not so sweet when you’re trapped in the Friend Zone

To hear some tell it, there is no crueller torture a woman can inflict upon a man than to be his friend. Because, as the saddest sad men of the internet will happily explain to you at length, men and women can’t really be friends. Any woman who think she has male friends is fooling herself; all her supposed male friends have ulterior motives, if you know what I mean and I think you do.

They want to take her to the Bone Zone, in the parlance of our time, but she has put them in the Friend Zone instead, a hellish sexless purgatory that only the exquisitely charming and wholly fictional Jim Halpert on The Office has been able to escape. Such, at least, is the Friend Zone myth.

I’ve read a lot of silly things about the alleged evils of the alleged Friend Zone over the years, mostly in the form of terrible memes or scary rants on some misbegotten misogynist subreddit. But the silliest thing I’ve read on the subject for some time is a post that went up earlier this week on The Federalist, a right-wing media outlet with a heavy Christian bent.

In “Why Men and Women Can Never Be ‘Just Friends,'” Lutheran pastor and “comical video” maker Hans Fiene argues that we need to “tear down the Friend Zone” so American men and women can marry younger and “raise our sagging birth rates” so the world won’t run out of babies.

No, really.

All of us need to start having more babies or else the upcoming demographic tsunami will consume our nation, cripple our social programs, and leave us with a future so bleak that our only source of joy will be the moment we’re chosen to receive the sweet, fatal kiss of the Obamacare Death Panels, the Trumpcare Firing Squads, or the OprahCare Hemlock Squadrons.

Despite the achingly off-key “humor” at the end there — did I mention that Fiene makes “comical videos” on the side? — this argument, such as it is, is meant in all seriousness. As Fiene sees it, every day America’s hapless males waste in the Friend Zone is a day they could be making babies with a loving wife.

Being caught in the Friend Zone is an inarguable drag on fertility rates, as a man who spends several years pledging his heart to a woman who will never have his children is also a man who most likely won’t procreate with anyone else during that time of incarceration. Free him to find a woman who actually wants to marry him, however, and he’ll have several more years to sire children who will laugh, create, sing, fill the world with love and, most importantly, pay into Social Security.

Quite simply, for the sake of our future, the Friend Zone must be destroyed.

Fiene’s case against the Friend Zone is if anything even sillier than his demographic alarmism. He begins by sketching out the true horror of the purgatory that is the Friend Zone.

Every year, countless young men find themselves trapped in the Friend Zone, a prison where women place any man they deem worthy of their time but not their hearts, men they’d love to have dinner with but, for whatever reason, don’t want to kiss goodnight.

Fiene is apparently baffled and appalled by the notion that any woman might want to have dinner with a man without wanting — literally — to have his babies.

The women of America, he argues, need to accept two harsh truths: “you don’t have any guy friends and, in fact, you can’t have any guy friends” — because any dude who likes to spend time alone with a woman actually just wants to get with her.

Fiene has a rather hackneyed notion of what men are looking for in a friend — basically a dudely dude type

who shares his interest in activities such as watching movies where things explode, playing video games where things explode, or putting fireworks in things so they’ll explode.

And in Fiene’s mind, women just aren’t qualified for that position, which strikes me as a rather strange contention because, well, my best friend IS a woman, and we have spent many hours over many years “watching movies where things explode [and] playing video games where things explode.”

We’ve also spent many hours watching Project Runway, and gleefully mocking the worst dressed at the Academy Awards. Because we’re actual human beings whose interests don’t map directly onto hackneyed stereotypes of what men and women enjoy. (She does have a hard time convincing me to watch Jane Austen movies though.)  Oh, and we have no interest in sex or romance with each other; we enjoy those things with other people.

But I guess I’m delusional to think she and I are real friends, because everything she provides, friendship-wise, could apparently be provided much more efficiently by another dude. As Fiene sees it, “the average male coworker, male neighbor, or male Nepalese yak herder is better at producing masculine companionship” than women. Indeed, as Fiene (or his editor) declares in a big bold subhed, “There’s Only One Thing You Can Give His Man Friends Can’t.”

And, no, that isn’t “vagina.” It’s “vagina in the context of a loving marriage,” though Fiene doesn’t put it quite that baldly.

Addressing his female readers directly, Fiene tells them that when a man signs you up as a friend,

It’s not because he wants your friendship. It’s because he wants to convince you to open up the supply chain of a romantic relationship to him, and he foolishly believes he can do so by being a loyal friendship customer. “Pay my dues in the Friend Zone,” he thinks, “and one day she’ll promote me to boyfriend.”

Fiene assures the ladies that

Just because men don’t want to be your friend, however, doesn’t mean they don’t enjoy your company. They most certainly do. They love discovering how you see the world, what you think about life, the universe, and everything. They love your kindness, thoughtfulness, sensitivity, support, and your nurturing heart. They love being in your presence when you display the wonders of the feminine virtues.

At least when those “feminine virtues” come as part of a package deal with vagina — though, again, Fiene puts it a bit more delicately.

[B]ecause God designed these [feminine] virtues to entice men into marriage, the average man will never be content to receive those gifts in a form of companionship that doesn’t lead to marriage. Quite simply, men can’t be at peace being just friends. And there’s nothing you can do to change that. Platonic chilling won’t stop your inner (and outer) beauty from pulling a man towards romantic love.

So what is to be done? The women of America need to clear out their Friend Zones — kicking the guys they don’t find attractive to the curb and marrying up those guys who at least sort of stir their loins a little.

First, he informs the female reader, she needs to address those Friend-Zoned men who don’t

fill you with the biological desire to repopulate the earth? If not, then do your “friend” a solid and let him go. Call him up and tell him, “It’s not my fault that your facial symmetry grosses out my ovaries, but it was my fault that I got your hopes up by putting you in the Friend Zone. As restitution, please accept the phone numbers of five girls I know who find you attractive. Stop wasting your time with me and go hang out with a girl who might one day bear your children.”

Apparently Fiene thinks human beings talk to each other like that.

“Conversely,” Fiene continues,

if you find your guy friend attractive, and if you see him as a man of character and heart, then call him right now and tell him that he was placed in the Friend Zone due to a clerical error. Say to him, “You make me laugh and would be a great husband and father. Clearly, you need to be on the express track to the Marriage Zone.”

How … romantic?

Fiene concludes his strange little anti-Friend Zone manifesto with a stirring paean to the transcendent glories of … increased baby production.

So get brave. Get married. Get pregnant a bunch of times and give birth to a bunch of beautiful little future taxpayers. The time has come to fight for our future. The time has come to rebuild America’s demographic glory atop the rubble of the fertility-killing Friend Zone.

I think I’ll pass, thanks!

So who exactly is this manifesto supposed to inspire? Nothing in it bears much resemblance to the world I live in. Fiene’s resolutely heteronormative, baby-centric utopia offers nothing to the gay, bi, or trans folk I know, nor is it going to appeal to those with no interest in traditional marriage and/or children. Hell, its visions of masculinity and femininity are so constricted they don’t even fit most of the straight, cis people I know.

I certainly wouldn’t want to be trapped in the Fiene Zone, that’s for sure.

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Noseflower
Noseflower
7 years ago

But what if the children they have all wind up being serial killers? Won’t that negatively effect the tax base?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
7 years ago

Are we sure this wasn’t written by a chat bot or something? He kind of sounds like what would happen if Data tried to imitate a MRA.

Can I say that Clueless is my favorite Jane Austen movie? It is based on Emma so I say it counts.

http://img.pandawhale.com/81781-clueless-whats-wrong-with-me-g-CeZx.gif

Anyway,

I think this my favorite part

fill you with the biological desire to repopulate the earth? If not, then do your “friend” a solid and let him go. Call him up and tell him, “It’s not my fault that your facial symmetry grosses out my ovaries, but it was my fault that I got your hopes up by putting you in the Friend Zone. As restitution, please accept the phone numbers of five girls I know who find you attractive. Stop wasting your time with me and go hang out with a girl who might one day bear your children.”

So much wrong packed in little paragraph.

The earth is already populated. It doesn’t need to be repopulated.

If women actually went around telling all men we don’t want to have kids with that their faces gross out our ovaries, men would just start whining about mean and shallow we are. How dare we not let men down super gently? And you know we’d be blamed anytime a man didn’t take this insult well and reacted violently.

It’s not a crime to like someone platonically so why should there be restitution? Even if there should be restitution, what if she doesn’t know five women who find him attractive?

Wow. The Manosphere has started to get some traction in the war of ideas. They don’t call it the Dark Enlightenment for nothing.

Oh, Mark. You do know that the manosphere neither invented the friendzone concept or the concept of women being made by God to be baby makers, right?

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
7 years ago

“You make me laugh and would be a great husband and father. Clearly, you need to be on the express track to the Marriage Zone.”

Is there a guy on a dating site that you don’t really want to hear from any more? Message him that and you’ll never hear from him again.

Wow. The Manosphere has started to get some traction in the war of ideas. They don’t call it the Dark Enlightenment for nothing.

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I’m pretty sure there’s just as many people who call it the Dork Enlightenment.

numerobis
numerobis
7 years ago

More than once I’ve made the mistake of trying to be close friends with someone I was very sexually attracted to, without letting the passion burn down (or divert elsewhere) first.

There’s no good short-term outcome: either I’m a false friend who is actually in unrequited love, or I push this person away who likes me, just not the same way I like her.

Somehow I’ve never seen it as her fault.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
7 years ago

I”m wondering when the expression “friend zone” first came into use. I’m pretty sure I didn’t hear it until the 90s. I’m too lazy, and don’t care enough to research it, though.

Out of all the things wrong with the whole concept, a standout for me is that I believe it’s usually women’s kindness that’s they’re getting criticized for. Of course, if they told the interested guy to piss off, right off the bat, because she wasn’t interested in having his babies, then that would be no good either. You’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t, sometimes. Never mind many men (and women, too) only being interested in casual romantic relationships. Just because a man wants to sleep with you, DOES NOT mean he sees you as a potential wife, or wants you to have his children.

Iseult The Idle
Iseult The Idle
7 years ago

Well, golly gosh, Mr Omniscient Lutheran Overseer, if population is such a problem for us why aren’t we letting more hardworking immigrant families (and singletons) into the country?

Could it be that your fixation is only on precious, precious white babies?

You’re a garbage person, Reverend Fiene. If there were a God I feel sure she’d have no use for you OR your friendship.

Cohen the Librarian
Cohen the Librarian
7 years ago

@Mark plus

They don’t call it the dark enlightenment for nothing

And who, pray tell, are “they”? What is a “dark enlightenment”? What is dark light? Do you “delight” in paradoxes? Are you a man whose horizons are so limited that you believe that the very possibility of relating to women as anything other than babymakers is starry eyed utopian dreaming? How sad for you if it’s true.

DMW
DMW
7 years ago

So as an asexual woman, am I not allowed to have any male friends ever? What about if I’m upfront with them about being ace and they still want to be friends because they know right off the bat we’re never going to hook up and they’re cool with that? Since I’m not comfortable with the idea of getting pregnant, can I never get married period? Would being married without having kids with my husband be putting him in, like, the ULTIMATE Forever Friendzone, or what? What if he’s ace too, or he doesn’t want to have kids anyway, or we have an open relationship?

I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS EXPLAIN MY LIFE TO ME FIENE. /s

Hambeast (fan of diversity)
Hambeast (fan of diversity)
7 years ago

Lutheran pastor and “comical video” maker Hans Fiene

As an ex-Lutheran, I am embarrassed.

Even though I haven’t identified as either a Lutheran or a Christian in over 17 years, I feel the impulse to apologize. If you’ve ever heard any Lutheran jokes, you might understand why. Some things just take a long time to get over, other things never completely go away, I guess.

numerobis
numerobis
7 years ago

give birth to a bunch of beautiful little future taxpayers

What the ever-loving fuck is this?

Schnookums Von Fancypants, GloboThermoNuclearHomo
Schnookums Von Fancypants, GloboThermoNuclearHomo
7 years ago

All of us need to start having more babies or else the upcoming demographic tsunami will consume our nation, cripple our social programs, and leave us with a future so bleak that our only source of joy will be the moment we’re chosen to receive the sweet, fatal kiss of the Obamacare Death Panels, the Trumpcare Firing Squads, or the OprahCare Hemlock Squadrons.

Aw man, this dog is going crazy again.

What is it Lassie? Timmie overdosed on heroin again and fell down a well?

No?

You’re sure barking like mad there girl…is it the sound of some racist dogwhistling? Ah, that’s the problem.

Ghost Robot
Ghost Robot
7 years ago

I don’t think I’ve ever felt so strong in my resolve not to marry and not to have kids after reading that. Good thing my partner agrees!

Scolar Visari
Scolar Visari
7 years ago

@numerobis
Supposedly, and I may be getting this wrong, only Aryan offspring can pay taxes. Crazy, I know, but it makes sense that they’re the only people who get their income deducted from their paychecks by the corrupt (((IRS))). Those dirty (((immigrants))) will find some way to funnel their income into their offshore bank accounts, depriving the outnumbered white boys and girls of their rightful rule of the civilized world.

At least, that’s the feeling I had. This all sounds suspiciously similar to that one political party which demanded a return to, “traditional” values and increased birthrate of a favored demographic.

This pastor. They’re doing satire wrong.

Viscaria the Cheese Hog
Viscaria the Cheese Hog
7 years ago

They don’t call it the Dark Enlightenment for nothing.

Is it because they wanted to call it the small embiggenment, but then they realized that doesn’t make any sense?

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@Dormousing_it

I”m wondering when the expression “friend zone” first came into use. I’m pretty sure I didn’t hear it until the 90s. I’m too lazy, and don’t care enough to research it, though.

November 3rd, 1994, apparently.
In that day’s episode of Friends.

JoeB
JoeB
7 years ago

Echoing others, the article is creepy and has a very narrow view of how many people live. I’ve been friends with women I wasn’t attracted to, I’ve been friends with women I was but accepted they were unavailable for reasons, and I’ve been friends with women I’d gone on dates with but hadn’t clicked with romantically. It’s not hard, they are just people.

AsAboveSoBelow, Male Gaze Harvester
AsAboveSoBelow, Male Gaze Harvester
7 years ago

Free him to find a woman who actually wants to marry him, however, and he’ll have several more years to sire children who will laugh, create, sing, fill the world with love and, most importantly, pay into Social Security.

Or he could, you know, just get the fuck over it and move on. Why is it the woman’s responsibility to sever the friendship?

HeinzDoof
HeinzDoof
7 years ago

My best friend is a woman. Has been for almost thirty years. Her husband is someone I have known and been friends with for over forty years. I adore their kids. Our families hang out together whenever we can.

I’m clearly doing something wrong. I’ll check with my wife what it is. She’s usually pretty good at picking up on those kind of things.

Humbug
Humbug
7 years ago

First, Irony of ironies, the people who care the most about the existence and expansion of public welfare are the people who care the least about the existence and expansion private contribution or its absence due to a lack of people to contribute. You can’t have output sans input! Exhibit 1: modern Japan.

Second, it is exactly because of this eternal crisis with the “friend zone” that is why humanity requires lovebots immediately.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

I thought Mark Plus the sad incel was banned?

Viscaria the Cheese Hog
Viscaria the Cheese Hog
7 years ago

Are you going to have some half-human, half-sexbot babies to pay into public welfare?

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
7 years ago

As restitution, please accept the phone numbers of five girls I know who find you attractive. Stop wasting your time with me and go hang out with a girl who might one day bear your children

Well, if a woman wanted me to stop spending time with her, this would be the quickest way to ensure that

You make me laugh and would be a great husband and father. Clearly, you need to be on the express track to the Marriage Zone

I apologize for before, I was clearly wrong…

@Troubelle
The Fresh Princ((e)ss) of Nowhere, Kentucky. Well done ? ? ?

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
7 years ago

So, what do you do once you’ve accomplished marriage? Just sit around doing nothing until you die?

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
7 years ago

I’ve been Friends Zoned by a woman once. I wanted to talk about life and eat cookies, but all she wanted to do was watch Friends, which I hate. The Friends Zone is the fucking worst.

No wait, the WORST worst is when you get friend-of-a-friend zoned by some woman your friend is friends with. Fuck that shit.

NO! Actually, the WORST WORST WORST was being franc zoned by my previous employer. They’d pay me only in francs. I kept telling them this is Sweden, and France switched to the euro in 1999, but they didn’t care. They franc zoned me so hard.

For a (luckily short) while, my wife totally Fring Zoned me. She would only have sex with me if I roleplayed as Gus Fring from Breaking Bad.

Anyways, I’m gonna go Fingie Zone my cats now.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
7 years ago

You can’t have output sans input! Exhibit 1: modern Japan.

I thought Japan was good because they don’t have feminazis censoring the anime porn and rapey videogames that are so essential for healthy male sexuality.

You can’t even keep your story straight for a whole day? No wonder no one as treating your posts as if they were VERY SERIOUS ARGUMENTS that need to be debated.