We’ve been treated, over the years, to endless misogynist manifestos declaring that nerdy hobbies like comic books and video games should be kept free from pesky females, for all sorts of ridiculous reasons that usually come back to some allegedly innate characteristics of males and females that show that only men can appreciate said hobbies and that all of the women who claim to like them are only pretending, because really what they want is endless attention from nerdy dudes.
I recently ran across one of these manifestos in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit. While it was full of the same tired old BIOTRUTHS as most “male space” manifestos — only dudes “are wired to be adept at tasks with inanimate objects,” only dudes have the necessary “diligence” to be true fans — this manifesto offered another powerful(ly dumb) anti-nerd-girl argument I don’t think I’ve encountered before: Nerd girls should be kept out of male hobbies because they’re a bunch of icky uggoes, “sub-4 at best.”
Let’s let the somewhat ironically named NuclearTruthBomb explain this particular “truth.”
The simple fact of the matter is that most women are not, and never will be, into the activities of low-status, but intelligent males. Yes, a few exist. My sister loves drawing, animation, and even video games. But she’s also on the upper end of the autism spectrum, and pretty unattractive.
Dude, really? She’s your SISTER.
Women have status simply by existing. There is only a very small number of girls who are so hideous, no man will show interest in them.
Empathy, not a big thing amongst MGTOWs.
Being a nerd if often considered a sign of low status. Trust me, none of us got laid for being on the chess team. Because women are so concerned about appearences, they will refuse to associate with nerds by default.
So that means, natch, that the only “females” who want to have anything to do with male nerds will be the ugly uggoes.
Male nerds tend to range from perfectly average to the bottom of the barrel. Female nerds however, are sub-4 at best, genetically cursed at worst. They were rejected by the popular girls a long time ago, and will wear a shirt that screams YAOI FAN for a modicum of attention.
These discrepancies cause female geeks to be not only low in number, but of poor quality in general.
And now a cameo appearance by Chad Thundercock, or at least his brothers Brad, Joe, and Darren Thundercock, as well as their cousin Bill BigDick and his friend Tyrone.
Ironically, while women will forever flock to the sports stadium of Brads and Joes, nerds will spell the future for the human race. The guy who gets shoved in the mud by Bill BigDick this decade will be inventing the technology of the next one. The quirky glasses wearing freak will create that game Darren plays after Daisy gives him a rimjob. And all those countless code monkeys will be responsible for the social media websites she meets Tyrone on.
To do list:
- Shove nerd in mud
- Rimjob w/ Daisy
- Vidya Games
Only when these nerdy dudes get super rich will the hotties have any interest in them.
Once she realizes that these men are making bank, she’ll try to swing branches. And many simpanzees will takeher anyways. Us on the other hand, can enjoy our own specific tastes without worrying “Buh-buh-buh, what would Sally think of this!?”
MGTOWs have turned “stewing in your own bitterness about women possibly giving other dudes rimjobs” into America’s fastest-growing hobby. This is a male space no one should want to invade.
Yeah, I certainly believe you’ve got a sense of humor about your preferred sex objects.
Despite all the evidence you’ve provided to the contrary.
In among the word vomit, Humbug brought up this:
http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Spider-Woman-1-variant-cover-thumb.jpg
Like, uh, you think that’s sexy, Humbug? That illustration would have HP Lovecraft gibbering about unnatural angles.
Humbug: Whatever their faults old-school rpgcodex gamers wouldn’t go near the franchises you mention (JRPGs that receoved a modicum of respect dropped off the radar years ago) The Waifu / Japanese porn obsession is pretty marginal too.
Methinks you speak for relatively few male nerds.
I’m just gonna ignore Humbug for now.
@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
I… did not know that.
Ew.
What a creep.
@EJ
Ugh, don’t even get me started on why the DC universe is a disaster from the get-go. Counting the missed opportunities alone, I think they’ve wasted so much potential because the writers are shit and the editing is consistently terrible. Terrible spoilers ahead!
In Man of Steel, they set out to explore Superman as a conflicted character, not certain of his place in the world and how to react to his powers. Who is he, the child of two farmers in Kansas, or the last son of Krypton? Will the people of earth accept or reject him? Does he have a right to become Superman in the first place? This sounds like grade A superhero story material, right? It should be, but through the power of lazy writing and sloppy editing, it becomes a standard slugfest between Superman and Zod’s troops with mere hints of a stronger story that was left on the cutting room floor.
In Batman v Superman, they waste the opportunity to make the main characters’ conflict seem real by having Luthor manipulate them into fighting instead of allowing the mutual dynamic and radically different approach to superhero business eventually draw them into physical blows. On the other hand, since they’ve already made Supes into a darker, more cynical character, it wouldn’t really work either way. And his death leaves no impact. They could have built up to it through a couple more movies, showing a world that has become dependent on Superman, and then kill him off to show how the world picks itself up afterwards. It could have been so good. Instead, it’s wasted.
And as for fucking
…
No. I’ll still be here next week if I allow myself to get into that mess.
Every single movie, Suicide Squad at the top, has left me thinking: “Well, the movie certainly doesn’t give a shit about anything that happens on the screen, so why should I?” And that’s the real crime of the DC cinematic universe: The viewer doesn’t care about the characters or what’s going on. It feels pointless. Revitalizing it doesn’t really feel like an option at this point.
@Axecalibur
That’s an interesting timeline. I always assumed the whole darkness of their cinematic universe was just DC being waaaay late to the game: The “dark age” of comics started, like, in the 90’s, after Burton’s Batman and Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns*. Most readers grew pretty tired of this “edginess” in the 2000’s at the latest, but apparently, DC didn’t get the memo.
*Which I know a lot of people like a lot, but as someone who loves Batman first and foremost because of his philosophy… Nah. Neither interpretation rings true to me. And while I have to admit that Affleck actually does a decent enough job at being Batman, the newest interpretation of the character is way too trigger-happy for my taste.
@weirwoodtreehugger
You’re right. The DC cinematic universe does this a lot too, of course, but Marvel’s way is often more insidious in that the movies are made to feel like chapters in an episodic TV series. The way the studios use time in the movies that could be used to explore certain themes more closely or develop characters just to tease a follow-up is getting really old.
A non-comic-book-reader perspective is always welcome. We comic book geeks can easily get pretty caught up in what a movie or series should have been based on the comic books, instead of analyzing them on their own merits.
Like, I could go on a rant about all the things wrong with Batman, Superman, the Joker, Harley Quinn, Lex Luthor and so on because they could have been so much better if they’d followed their comic book counterparts more closely and dear god the Joker does not work as a mob boss, you’re forcing the character into a state of level-headedness that ruins everything about why the character works and why does Lex Luthor have to be made into an utterly ineffectual villain in every movie he’s in (yes, including the classic originals, you can fight me on this) and why did they bother teasing with exploring themes of Superman’s heroic nature if they weren’t going to do anything with it and AAAARGH!
@Paradoxical Intention
You’re welcome!
I know, that’s where I got the idea actually. Didn’t want to spoil anything in case you hadn’t read them!
I get what you’re saying. Many of the more acclaimed versions of Superman are the ones turning his morality around: for instance, Mark Millar’s Red Son explores an alternate Superman who grew up in the Soviet Union and became a relatively benevolent but iron-fisted dictator after Stalin’s death.
Which is fine, but personally, I might be one of the few people who likes Supes for the big blue boy scout that he is. I feel a good writer can do a lot with themes like power and responsibility, invulnerability and morality, nature and nurture and the like without turning Superman into an entirely different character.
For instance, Superman’s morality and his invulnerability are a great combination to explore: How Superman, being someone who never needs to “cover his own ass” because he’s indestructible, is the only superhero who can afford to be ideologically pure. A socially woke writer can actually draw a direct parallel between Superman’s extreme power and the concept of social privilege in the superhero world, exploring his privilege blindness regarding other people’s struggles because he’s not bound by their weaknesses. I think Superman, embodying ideals and morals that normal people cannot hope to live up to, is something that could be used for much more than punching Zod.
Damn I made the right decision when I went to sleep instead of staying up to watch the trollwreck.
Fake geek boi talking like he knows anything, trying to justify gatekeeping.
There a release date for the irony-poisoning status ailment update yet ?
Hello.
Hmm. Person, if you go in a chess team because you think that check-mate means you are here to check a partner and mate with this partner, i have bad news for you. Chess are not really about dating, it is more about to crush the towers, to see the knights driven before you and to hear the lamentations of the pawns. And remember which is the most powerful piece on the chessboard. Not the king, ha.
> LindsayIrene
That is remember me about an article made by a french association of comic drawing women about the Cho and Manara behavior. If you read french, you can read it here, and even if you are not reading french, there are links (the red text) that lead to english website (the marysue, and the image of a tweet from Cho) in the first part of the post. The second part is a problem of a french comic adaptation in a movie, so you way not be interested.
Have a nice day.
@John
What’s annoying is that they seem to be just saying basic stuff, high profile things that even people not really that deep into gaming would know. Are they doing that because they’re just skimming the internet for things to mention here or do they actually care about that shit?
Because no one fucking cares about the side games of DoA. Those games always have shit controls and not great graphics, they’re just about seeing big boobs in tiny bikinis. Anyone who really complains about any of those volleyball games not coming to America doesn’t care that they aren’t getting a game, they just care they aren’t getting the newest version of their interactive softcore porn.
Fuck, people barely care about the main series because even if it’s a good fighting game, it’s way overly fanservicey for anyone to take seriously. Yeah, DoA has a tourney and stuff but Street Fighter, Tekken and Mortal Kombat are still top dogs in the serious playtime shit. Like, don’t get me wrong, it’s still up there but…it’s DoA.
@Jack
Plus it’s not like there aren’t any better games out there with some fanservice too. I’m playing Gravity Rush 2* right now, and sure it doesn’t have the ridiculous jiggly boobs, but those outfits aren’t exactly prudish either.
Hell it’s almost like we don’t actually care about a few skimpy clothes here and there as long as there’s an actual game attached to it instead of some lazy-ass justification for pure fanservice. It’s almost like the troll is strawmanning.
*That stuff we said the other day about falls ? GR is basically all about falling – except you’re always in control of which way is down, and somehow that changes everything, at least for me. Also it’s got airboats, one city made of multiple floating islands, another city hanging off the side of one big-ass pillar, a lot of that special Japanese-style steampunk aesthetic, and the coolest cat ever. It’s pretty awesome.
First, I have spent literally thousands of waking hours and thousands of dollars over the decades indulging in so-called “geekery” to ever be a so-called “fake”, so you can disabuse yourself of whatever “geekier than thou” delusions you may have there in regards to my bona fides on these matters. Second, as for being “whiny”, it takes one to know one, and you third-wave feminist millenials would obviously know all about that, since you’re the ones who are demanding that the rest of the world bend over backwards to appease and acquiesce to your safe-space-sensitivity and special-snowflake-sensibility, especially creators-of-content. SJW’s like yourselves are the ones who raise much drama every time they ever encounter anything even the slightest bit “problematic”, no matter how ultimately petty it may be in the long run and the bigger picture. Example, the biting-the-hand-that-fed-you turn-on-you backlash from his otherwise-fanatical groupies that caused Josh Whedon to quit Twitter over something as absurd as that Primum-Noctem joke of Tony Stark and the enforced-spaying backstory of Natasha Romanov in the Avengers 2 movie (and there was also that hullabaloo over the statement of Thor to Steve Rogers and Nick Fury that Loki was merely an adopted son in response to their own matter of statement that he was a mass murderer, in Avengers 1). Mountains out of molehills, storms in teacups, that’s your modus operandi. And yes, I am aware of all that racist and sexist nonsense over the Ghostbusters reboot (which I liked) l, but then again, who started the trend to begin with in the first place? Tit for tat, what’s sauce for the goose is also good for the gander. You blazed the trail that your own foes followed. Third, yes these matters of de-sexifying self-censorship do matter to us. It obviously does not matters at all to you, but then again you are either not heterosexual males or if you are, not the ones with an appreciation for 2d female sexiness. But for those of us who do have such an appreciation, it is another one of those things that can and may still continue to give us joy and happiness, pleasure and satisfaction, meaning and purpose in our lives and existences. And for us to be unfairly and unjustly denied and deprived of it because of you, for whatever your selfish and cruel reasons are, can only be most frustrating and infuriating in the extreme. Would a visual aesthete like it if the world suddenly became all black-and-white or all colors came in only single-shades or would an aural aesthete like it if the world became all silence and white noise or all sounds came in only single-notes? Would a gourmet like it if all food became pills and all beverages became lukewarm water or all flavors came in single-degrees? Sexually speaking, that is such a world , in the context of mass media, that you are surely and steadily causing to come into being with your heterosexual sex-negativism, at least to what you call standard CIS heterosexual males. Could it be that a reason for this, at least for the female nerds who are the bulk of such a movement, is that unable to easily experience sexual satisfaction, if at all, for whatever reasons (it’s a universal medical fact that as a general rule, human females are not capable of either experiencing physical orgasm at all — whether vaginal or clitoral — or if they can , not as often as human males) you seek to deny and deprive male nerds of their own capability? Ah, the fruits of female envy towards males, such a bitter harvest for humanity is the result!
Please stop advertising how bad you are at sex.
@ humbug
But never figured out which key puts in paragraph breaks apparently. Come on mate, meet me half way. You might be making some brilliant points for all I know; but I just can’t focus on the individual words. It’s just a big wall.
Hah.
Haha.
Ahahahahahahaha!
Oh, you sweet summer troll. Jesus, I wouldn’t even know where to begin with this without getting TMI all over the thread.
@Alan
Please stop insulting the concept of making a brilliant point. If he had a brilliant point to make, he could make it in five sentences, and then elaborate and provide sources as questions were asked if that was necessary.
Making a brilliant point requires a fundamental clarity on a topic. Someone with clarity enough to know what the fuck they’re doing can discard everything that doesn’t address their point. He can’t, so he can’t make brilliant points at the moment on this topic.
There might be a below average point in there buried underneath the terrible that is the wall of text, but since I don’t get paid to tease it out, I ain’t gonna do that.
HA! Someone’s pretty terrible at the sex. Also, look at this shit for what I’m talking about: Even if we step aside and temporarily ignore that he’s obviously and fundamentally wrong and therefore has no point to make whatsoever, he wavers between the universal and the general and the specific and winds up making no argument at all.
Anyway, I liked exactly one scene in Man of Steel: When Supes killed Zod. Supes can explore a lot of awesome concepts either as the invulnerable blue boy scout or as the lawful evil nightmare, but one thing we don’t often see is someone who’s supposed to exist beyond the concept of limits forced to make a subpar choice. The rest of it was just…ughhhhhh. We deserved way better. Especially from Lois Lane.
On a marginally related note, have y’all seen the Supergirl series? It’s become one of my new favorite things, though I’ve only seen the first season so far.
@ ignoresandra
Good point (self demonstrating article).
@ Humbug – please amend to “have some valid arguments”
@Anarchonist both Dark Knight Returns and Tim Burtons Batman were products of the 80s not 90s (1986 & 1989 respectively) – and along with Swamp Thing, Watchman etc arguably laid the ground work for the Grim’n’Gritty excesses of the 90s rather than were an actual part of it themselves.
Also dude
I happen to fit your definition of a heterosexual male. And last time I checked, I did have an appreciation for 2D female sexiness. I’m pretty sure a bunch of other regulars could tell you the exact same thing.
Also did you know that heterosexual males do not actually make up 100% of the world’s population, or indeed the population with an appreciation for 2D sexiness of either (or both) genders ? Just a thought.
I’m sure you can see where this is going.
@ sinkable john
I suspect straight guys have had an appreciation of 2D sexiness since we learned how to daub ochre on to cave walls.
(Gotta have something to do after hunting all those mammoths)
First, my I-phone , for all of it being the latest model, apparently does not have an Enter key on its touchscreen keypad like on a normal keyboard ( and just in case anyone may be wondering, no, I am not humble-bragging). Second, message boards are supposed to be spontaneous — as opposed to being strictly structured — like free form jazz or improv comedy. Third, to use your own reasoning, I am obviously not getting paid at all to write a proper essay , so why should I? Fourth, what does my proficiency — or alleged lack of it — in sexual experience have to do with anything? I personally have always preferred masturbation anyway, no muss, no fuss.
*posting on unrelated matter right in the middle of current argument*
@Sinkable John,
Just play chess with your niece, I guess? She adores you. What’s the issue with her speech, if I may ask a personal question?
Stuff is ok here. The kid (who is no longer a kid and now towers over me – not that this is difficult, mind you) has just finished playing through Ghost Recon Wildlands and has had a rip-roaring time. We’ve had a wee bit of a cyclone here so I can’t get to one of my workplaces thanks to rail closures. I’ve had an article peer-reviewed and accepted so that’s a bright spot for me. Other stuff is fucking awful but everyone can relate to that 😀
@Kat,
Surely you are one of the world’s nicest people!
The health issues continue and have brought some friends along, which is great (/s). But there are some good things too. And at least the cyclone seems to have gotten rid of the endless freaking summer heat … gah. How are you and yours?
Here’s another bright spot of mine, i.e. Mei-Mei:
Somehow I highly doubt that, but fair enough, I don’t have an iphone so I wouldn’t know.
Yeh but you’re the one coming here to “debate” us. Gotta step up your game is all we’re sayin’. And no, argumenting is not like free form jazz or improv comedy. Here’s a thought : if you expect us to take you seriously, do not compare your screeds to improv comedy.
Though yeah, there is some comedic value in your bullshit, I won’t deny it.
You’re absolutely right. Which reminds me I wanted to ask you why exactly are you here, dude ? What are you accomplishing ? Making me sacrifice a few minutes of game time to read and respond to your shit ?
But, again, if you wanna be taken seriously, you’re gonna have to put out. All I’m sayin’.
That’s exactly what I’m saying, dude. We don’t wanna know. So don’t bring it up.
It’s not even like you are stuck with the default Apple keyboard anymore either.
Flesky, Swiftkey and multiple other alternative keyboards are available and appear to have return keys.
(And appologies for previous posting appearing with wrong name, I’m blaming using a new Browser 😉 )
The penchant for trying to hilariously mansplain female orgasms almost made me wonder if this is Pell paying us another visit.
Probably not. Pell usually gave himself a generic human name and Humbug has not yet claimed to be a doctor, lawyer and executive all at once.
Sure sounds like him though.
I also love how he tried to go with a whine about how evil feminists hate Joss Whedon and are so mean to him when I was pretty complimentary to him earlier in the. Huge Buffy nerd for the past 20 years (yikes!), here.
@humbug
For readability. If you’re just writing “free form jazz” for your own amusement, that’s one thing. If you want other people to engage with what you have to say – and I assume you do, since you’re posting your thoughts publicly – you’ll have more luck if you structure your comments so that they’re not punishing to read.
I’ve done improv before. It does not completely lack structure and coherence like troll boy assumes. It has parameters and time limits. No one is going to watch an improv troupe that just wonders around the stage yammering incoherently.
@Humbug:
That depends. Do you want us to listen to you or would you be better served vomiting words onto a mirror with a sharpie? Conversation is like sex: If you want other people to do it with you, you need to put some fucking effort into it.
Yes. This. Stop telling us over and over again that you’re terrible at sex. We get it. You’re terrible at showing your partners a good time. It has no relevance, so why the hell are you bringing it up?