We’ve been treated, over the years, to endless misogynist manifestos declaring that nerdy hobbies like comic books and video games should be kept free from pesky females, for all sorts of ridiculous reasons that usually come back to some allegedly innate characteristics of males and females that show that only men can appreciate said hobbies and that all of the women who claim to like them are only pretending, because really what they want is endless attention from nerdy dudes.
I recently ran across one of these manifestos in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit. While it was full of the same tired old BIOTRUTHS as most “male space” manifestos — only dudes “are wired to be adept at tasks with inanimate objects,” only dudes have the necessary “diligence” to be true fans — this manifesto offered another powerful(ly dumb) anti-nerd-girl argument I don’t think I’ve encountered before: Nerd girls should be kept out of male hobbies because they’re a bunch of icky uggoes, “sub-4 at best.”
Let’s let the somewhat ironically named NuclearTruthBomb explain this particular “truth.”
The simple fact of the matter is that most women are not, and never will be, into the activities of low-status, but intelligent males. Yes, a few exist. My sister loves drawing, animation, and even video games. But she’s also on the upper end of the autism spectrum, and pretty unattractive.
Dude, really? She’s your SISTER.
Women have status simply by existing. There is only a very small number of girls who are so hideous, no man will show interest in them.
Empathy, not a big thing amongst MGTOWs.
Being a nerd if often considered a sign of low status. Trust me, none of us got laid for being on the chess team. Because women are so concerned about appearences, they will refuse to associate with nerds by default.
So that means, natch, that the only “females” who want to have anything to do with male nerds will be the ugly uggoes.
Male nerds tend to range from perfectly average to the bottom of the barrel. Female nerds however, are sub-4 at best, genetically cursed at worst. They were rejected by the popular girls a long time ago, and will wear a shirt that screams YAOI FAN for a modicum of attention.
These discrepancies cause female geeks to be not only low in number, but of poor quality in general.
And now a cameo appearance by Chad Thundercock, or at least his brothers Brad, Joe, and Darren Thundercock, as well as their cousin Bill BigDick and his friend Tyrone.
Ironically, while women will forever flock to the sports stadium of Brads and Joes, nerds will spell the future for the human race. The guy who gets shoved in the mud by Bill BigDick this decade will be inventing the technology of the next one. The quirky glasses wearing freak will create that game Darren plays after Daisy gives him a rimjob. And all those countless code monkeys will be responsible for the social media websites she meets Tyrone on.
To do list:
- Shove nerd in mud
- Rimjob w/ Daisy
- Vidya Games
Only when these nerdy dudes get super rich will the hotties have any interest in them.
Once she realizes that these men are making bank, she’ll try to swing branches. And many simpanzees will takeher anyways. Us on the other hand, can enjoy our own specific tastes without worrying “Buh-buh-buh, what would Sally think of this!?”
MGTOWs have turned “stewing in your own bitterness about women possibly giving other dudes rimjobs” into America’s fastest-growing hobby. This is a male space no one should want to invade.
@Matteo Suppo
You say that, but I don’t see you beating Chad’s high score.
Matteo Suppo:
Indeed. At this point, “sex robot” means simply sex doll that makes some interactive noises and maybe has vaginal contractions. Expressing “orgasm” in response to some specific stimulation makes sense since some people apparently do buy dolls to simulate a mutual relationship, or some kind of “masculine prowess” anyway.
I guess, with the current technology, the response has to be very predictable. It’d also have to be fairly specific, like only for “G-spot” stimulation, because you don’t want the doll moaning all the time you handle it. Kinda ironic, I’d think.
(I hereby introduce a female sex doll with the strongest orgasms and decidedly low-key expression: you know she had it when she’s temporarily passed out.)
‘discovering how to make it “orgasm” would be nothing more than a puzzle.’
I’ve been with more than one man who had exactly that attitude.
@guest
Well, that’s the definition of PUA, after all.
@Jesalin (Geek Grrl): omg let me tell you how much i loved the Mako. It is a lot, i bought the shirt from the bioware store. XD I get why people would disklike it, but i just loved being able to drive nearly everywhere.
I want to replay as well, but then i remember the inventory management/selling systemS, and how one was okay (for the mods) and the other was not.
I will still replay though! Maybe i shouldndo a biotic run through.
@ignoresandra: echoing what others have said, please feel free to share. Hugs and internet cookies if wanted.
@Rhuu
I didn’t mind the inventory/selling system (although it could get really cluttered), the only other thing that I found annoying was the bug that would lock a weapon in overheat, did that ever get fixed? I always thought the mod system in ME1 was better than 2 or 3, with my favorite being the phased rounds. Biotics I liked better starting in ME2 with the faster cool-downs.
@IP well not really, they don’t seem to have any interest in at least trying to figure out what makes their sex partners come.
@guest
You’re right. I meant “women are just a puzzle to be solved” in more general terms. They don’t know about orgasms yet.
I see that all the time too. Especially when it’s dudes who are like “My girlfriend has to either sit quietly and not say anything while I play games/watch my stuff or she can just go away and not bug me while I watch it”, but at the same time REFUSE to participate in anything she finds interesting because he doesn’t.
I recall seeing a post on the internet somewhere where a woman told her boyfriend that if she had to watch his shows because he was into them and he wanted her to participate because he was into them, he had to watch fashion week with her and participate with her, because that’s what she was into, and he was like “Why would I do that? I hate fashion week.” and laughed.
Of course, people are always going to have different interests. Hell, Jackie and I like different things and different media, but we can still accept that that’s just what the other likes, and that’s okay. Sometimes I live chat with them about games I’m playing or anime I’m watching, and while Jackie might not like those things, I get that they’re still happy that I’m happy. And Jackie does the same with me, and I’m happy that they’re happy about the stuff they like.
We’ve even gotten each other into fandoms. Jackie got me really into Borderlands, and I got them into WWE (all it took was showing off a wrestler who was their 2000’s vampire goth aesthetic, lol). But we never said “You HAVE to like this thing because I like it and I don’t care if you don’t.”
I also wonder why people think that it’s “normal” for people to be horrible people to their SO. Like, I see shit like “Lol, looking through my bf’s/gf’s phone and he/she doesn’t know!”, or “Sorry, my boyfriend won’t let me wear that”. It’s really gross.
And I fuckin’ swear (to bring it back around a bit) if I see one more person romanticizing Joker and Harley Quinn’s relationship, I’m gonna scream.
@Paradoxical Intention – Leader of the Deathclaw Damsels
I don’t suppose you’ve already read this? It hits some points you mentioned in your post.
http://midimyers.com/blog/2015/3/3/the-cool-gamer-girlfriend-aka-unicorns-arent-real
Gamer boys, having equated misogyny and sexism with the “jock” lifestyle they reject (because they’ve had their culturally assigned toxic masculinity threatened by its existence), seem pretty clueless when it comes to insidious misogyny in their own circles.
This. I hated Suicide Squad for a variety of reasons*, but the way it romanticized the relationship between an extremely abusive, manipulative, violent sociopath like the Joker and an abused, mentally unbalanced Harleen Quinzel… just… no. I don’t care about their “darker vision” for the DC cinematic universe, this shit is not okay. It will never be okay.
Like, you could actually use the pairing to explore some serious, dark and uncomfortable themes within the context of a superhero movie, the way they did in the animated series, which presented the relationship as what it is: abusive, definitely non-romantic. You could show Harley Quinn’s character arc from an obsessed fan who is incapable of seeing the Joker for what he is to a woman who ultimately stands up to the Joker and tells him that if he ever lays a finger on her again, she will put a bullet in his head. You can make Harley the heroine of her own story, introducing Poison Ivy and Catwoman as supporting characters. You can make it a dark and depressing, yet ultimately hopeful story of personal growth. Not exactly a popcorn flick, but a meaningful and strong narrative that follows in the footsteps of Marvel’s Jessica Jones, showing that abuse can be overcome, that monsters can be driven away. That while they did their part in shaping you, they will never own you.
Or we can just keep getting shit like Suicide Squad. Whatever.
*Bad writing, atrocious editing, horrible pacing, a bunch of utterly pointless characters (the Joker serving absolutely no purpose to the plot), not to mention the makers being sexist pieces of shit… The list goes on. I even wrote a full-length review that I never published anywhere, just for the sake of getting it all off my chest.
@IP Ha true.
‘They wanted me to understand how well they were doing, and be turned on by it.’
Now I get it–that is a great point. They want women/their SO to be knowledgeable enough about whatever esoteric thing they’re experts at to APPRECIATE that about them, but the last thing they want is what usually goes with that appreciation, some commensurate level of expertise.
And you know what is also interesting to me about that–there are lots of things I appreciate that I know almost nothing about and cannot do–equestrian events, theatrical directing, really anything in sports or arts–but I can be a keen appreciator, and sometimes even an expert appreciator, without taking the limelight away from the people who actually do these things. But if all you have to show for yourself, that you want to be appreciated for, is knowing things rather than doing things, then there’s not going to be a lot of opportunity to show off to people who by definition are going to know as much as you do. I honestly don’t know if that just made any sense–it makes sense to me in my head; I may have to think a little more about how to express it more clearly. Maybe an example might help. I can appreciate, say, horseracing–even be a very knowledgeable, even expert, spectator–while being completely incapable of riding a horse; if I know a jockey or trainer I can intelligently appreciate their skill and expertise without in any way ‘competing’ with them. But it doesn’t work quite the same way with someone whose claim to expertise is merely knowing a lot about horseracing.
@Mish
It’s roughly the same as usual, ‘cept that my niece’s conquest of the world will have to wait till after she’s learned to play chess, for some reason. Doctor’s order, as it were. Oh and of course, I’m the one who’s supposed to teach her. I figure it’s probably got something to do with stimulating regions of her brain that might be linked to her speech issues, but I’m just speculating here ’cause no one’s actually bothered to give me details as to why (or, more importantly, how) I’m supposed to teach a 4 year old to play chess.
How’re things on your end ?
@Paradoxy, Anarchonist:
The more films they make, the more convinced I become that the DC Cinematic Universe is irredeemable. Their whole “darker vision” schtick seems to be just a euphemism for shallow wish-fulfilment power fantasies for violent young men. Where the established characters have gotten in the way of this, they’ve changed those characters. It’s really not impressive.
One wonders whether DC are intentionally setting themselves up to appeal to the sort of violent young white men who made up the ranks of the gamergaters; and if so whether it’s a marketing thing intended to present themselves in opposition to Marvel’s recent push towards diversity.
Don’t forget the reason why I refuse to even watch that movie: Jared Leto sexually harassing his female costars in the grossest ways possible and the media portraying it as a “Hilarious prank.”
Because mailing your own jizz and shit to random women is totally a prank.
@John:
Why not teach her to play Go instead? It’s a better game, and is easier for kids to learn.
@EJ
TLDR incoming. Possible spoilers for everything
The DCEU is the way it is for a number of reasons, none of which are a deliberate appeal to violent, young men. That would imply deliberation goes on at Warner HQ. It doesn’t
The DC movies’ dark grittery can be traced back to the corporate structure of WB. Notably in that they didn’t create a film studio for it like Disney did with Marvel. DC movies are still branded with WB instead of DC Films or whatever
The reason for that is Marvel was bought by Disney a few years ago. Kinney, which begat Warner which begat Time Warner, bought DC in the late 60s, years after Flash started the silver age with a bang. Between then and the late 80s early 90s, outside of big events, comics never got as big as they had in the golden age
Then the dark and gritty era hit, and sales skyrocketed, especially on the backs of Dark Knight Returns and Death of Superman. Now, the fact that this nearly destroyed comics was lost on the corporate overlords as this was a tiny publishing subsidiary. Who cares? It made lotsa money while it did, right?
What this did is make WB obsessed with Batman. He’s their money maker. The books made bank as did the 1st Burton movie. Superman is still big time, but he brings in the most cash as a corpse. They’ve been tryna make a DoS film since ever, but they’d 1st need to rehab him from Quest for Peace. And that’s a lotta work when you could just do Batman again. Until Schumacher ends the character for a decade
The lesson they learned? No jokes, no fun. Script problems? Stunt casting? Terrible direction and editing? Nope, t’was color killed the genre. They go quiet for a while, then release Superman Returns. When that doesn’t work, they’re nonsense is confirmed. It’s not brooding enuff. And, hey, that Nolan flick last year put asses in the seats. Thus, the only DC movies in nearly 15 years to be full on successes were gritty and starred Batman. The less said about Steel the better
Nolan’s trilogy ends, and the guy who did 300 and Watchmen is around. Why not try Supes again? Slap Chris’ name on the trailer. Copy the grunge without any of the substance (Snyder does substance like Bay does subtlety) and there’s Man of Steel. Except that doesn’t perform as well as they’d have liked and critics panned it. Oh! Right! Forgot Batman and the corpse. That’ll be in the sequel
The reason why the DCEU is irredeemable is that there is no thought in it. There is no Feige. There ain’t even a Perlmutter. The guiding vision of these films is copies of DKR and DoS (Killing Joke too probably) with the words and boring bits erased. They’re not appealing to the violent, young men of today. Those kids are watching Deadpool. The violent, grown ass men of 1989 tho… Why do you think Bruce has gray hair now?
As for the Marvel diversity thing, that’s only in comics. The movies are still whiter than Pennsylvania Ave. The DC movies are gonna get to a woman 2 years ahead of Marvel. And Cyborg and Aquaman are brown. If the actual product weren’t so shit, I’d commend them for it. Except that they’re messing up Wondie’s origin, Aquaman’s only character traits are wit and alcoholism, and Vic don’t have a personality at all that I’ve seen
Anyway, hope that made sense and didn’t step on any toes. Also hope that I got everything correct. @Varalys or somebody else with the knowledge can fact check if they like 🙂
@EJ
To be honest I haven’t played Go in so long I don’t really remember the rules. I wouldn’t say it’s a better game, but that’s mostly because chess is a very old favorite of mine.
But yeah… that actually was my suggestion, starting with something easier to learn like Go. Something that doesn’t involve multiple kinds of pieces. But apparently that’s the entire point of teaching her chess, ’cause it’s harder to learn. Don’t ask me.
Additional difficulty : I haven’t played chess while sober in more than a decade.
I’m hoping Joss Whedon will be able to do something with Batgirl. At the very least he can do dark and fun at the same time even if feminism can be a bit too white dudely.
Although the MCU is starting to lose me almost as fast as DC to be honest. MCU stuff is way better written and more entertaining but besides the diversity issue, it’s really starting to feel like each movie is a two hour+ promo for the next movie. They’re not really standing on their own anymore.
I’m not a comics reader and just purely looking at them as movies, so my opinion probably isn’t all that substantive, but there it is.
I actually did a long time ago, but forgot about it until you brought it up, so thanks! 😀
Exactly. Because sexism is what “those assholes” do. And we’re not “those assholes”, we’re The Good Guys Who Like Women (as long as they’re in Their Place).
Good Guys don’t get called sexist. “Sexist” is a bad thing to be called, and that would mean we’re one of “those assholes”. So, we’ll continue to insist that we Like women, but we still don’t want them in Our Turf.
Their black and white binary of the world is so clearly outlined it’s fucking silly.
There have been some comics where she does just that actually. She’s currently, in canon, in a relationship with Poison Ivy, and working through her issues.
I also really like the Injustice: Gods Among Us arc with her in it for a few reasons.
SPOILERS:
Joker gets killed by Superman for causing Supes to murder Lois while she was pregnant with Supes’ baby. (YAY FRIDGING. [/sarcasm]) Batman tries to stop him, but Supes takes that as a “This is YOUR fault!” approach for Bats not killing the Joker in the first place and goes full Lawful Evil (which I’ll admit: I really like Supes when he’s Lawful Evil. More so than his normal Boy Scout Lawful Good alignment.)
Harley joins the fight against Superman, and she actually has quite a few revelations about her relationship with the Joker and how sad it was. She even reveals to Black Canary that she had a daughter with him. Her name is Lucy and she likes monster trucks in tutus. She also lives with Harley’s sister.
Harley also reveals that she left to go give birth to Lucy, and Joker didn’t even notice she was gone. Needless to say, Harley is still working through her stuff.
/SPOILERS
Seriously though, these comics are REALLY GOOD. Please go read them.
You mean like how they paired her up with a man who, in the comics, actually rapes her and uses her lasso to force her into a relationship with him, despite the fact that she said she didn’t want to be in a relationship with him so she could continue to do what she needs to to save the world?
Yeah, I’m still pretty pissed about that. The movie looks good, but I don’t see anything worth watching solely on that fact alone.
@WWTH
Balderdash! Everything you said was true. I love the MCU to fuckin death, and I very much enjoy the comic book, cossover, tie in nature of the universe. But that won’t work for everybody. And that’s awesome!
Re: Batgirl? It’s gonna suck, and Whedon can’t save it. The story is he left Marvel cos he was tired of the executive meddling. Oh, he ain’t seen shit yet. Besides, he can only direct (and write maybe) what he’s given, and they’ll probably give him Killing Joke or the beginning New52 stuff. Both of which are very bad ideas
@Paradoxy
I was just talking about giving her a dad. Which is just wrong. I didn’t even know about that! Always despised Steve generally, and hated when they said he’d be in the movie. Fuck, this keeps getting worse…
@Tom
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Ha-ha, talking about lack of self-awareness, the real reason why male nerds are not really welcoming — and are even hostile — to female nerds , at least in Western fandom , is that female nerds , especially the current SJW Tumblrina generation , as a general rule , are hypocritical feminazi puritans who want to censor and ban everything that appeals to heterosexual male sexuality and demonize and criminalize and vilify them for liking/loving it: Anita Sarkeesian, blog such as Eschergirls and RepairHerArmor and WomenInRefrigerators, the de-sexualization by Westerners of Japanese/Korean video games — especially RPG’s and MMORPG’s (
Particularly if released by Nintendo or on Steam ) —- whenever they get translated to English for an international release, the never-ending crusade against the heterosexual portion of the Japanese porn industry by Westerners such as CNN , BBC , and ECPAT, etc. , the controversies over: Marvel’s variant Milo Manara comic covers, DC’s variant Killing Joke Batgirl cover, Marvel and DC and Dynamite’s cover-up makeover reboots of classic-comic fetish-female sex-symbols, the never-ending crusade to ban “booth babes” and sexy female cosplay from nerd-conventions, Capcom’s censoring of SFV (particularly Cammy and Mika) , Nintendo’ butchering of the English editions of its own Bravely Default and Fire Emblem series (along with NIS and Altus doing the same thing to their own series) , the never-ending demonization of heterosexual male fan service games such as Tecmo’s Dead or Alive and Senran Kagura series, and “eroge” games like Rapelay, etc ad nauseaum, all of these witch-hunts (or wizard-hunts, to play on the meme of male virgins becoming wizards at age 30) initiated and maintained by Western female nerds against all male nerds, in conspiracy with non-nerds tsk tsk hell, in this thread alone, the shaming/sneering of both sexbots for straight males and the Suicide Squad movie / the D.C. Cinematic Universe …
Yeah. You just go be irrelevant somewhere else.
I’m not going to bother addressing the things you’ve said. Mostly because they’re far enough off from reality that you’ve got to be arguing in bad faith. Also, did you use an RNG to decide the direction your inane rant would take? it’s the best explanation I have for how many different topics you’ve got in there, and how poorly they fit together.
Humbug is boring. I think the false equivalency troll in the other thread is more interesting. And false equivalency trolls are boring as fuck.
We’ve heard the “Anita Sarkeesian is ruining video games, therefore women deserve to be denigrated, harassed and threatened” bullshit so many times. J
Humbug should just go back to the old gamergate threads and read the rebuttals there. I’m not going to do anything more but point and laugh. If he wants to hate every woman who’s not made of pixels, that’s on him. Have fun being miserable, asshole.
ETA: Ninja’d by Ignore Sandra!
@ Humbug