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Check out my NYmag piece: “Inside the Dangerous Convergence of MRAs and the Alt-Right”

Confessed white supremacist terrorist James Jackson: Shouldn’t he be wearing a hood with that?

If you wondered where I was yesterday, I was writing this piece for New York Magazine’s The Cut on confessed racist murderer James Jackson and the alt-right-ization of the MGTOW movement that takes off from this post of mine earlier this week. Discuss!

You might also want to take a look at Robyn Pennacchia’s Wonkette piece on Jackson.

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Fujimoto
Fujimoto
3 years ago

Naturally, the comments to the article prove your points nicely. It’s good seeing most of the main MGTOW points summarized in one helpful location.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Fujimoto,

Yeah, that guy trying to make “MGTOW shaming” a thing was pretty hilarious.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

“MGTOW is not a geographical location !”

Bob Dole
Bob Dole
3 years ago

It really does seem like MRA/MGTOW is what enabled the broader alt-right to rise like it did; it’s not like white nationalism was just invented this past decade (neither was sexism, mind, but this particular internet form almost literally was). Hell, I’ve seen James Weidmann basically say as much (not to mention that he’s an example himself).

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

Scary stuff. It’s important not to forget that the same toxic stew that this guy swam in was the same stew that cooked up Brevik, Roof and Rodger. All three of them had a similar focus on women and women’s purity, relying on the same sexism and misogyny to justify their actions to themselves.

Enough is enough. Honestly, I think we need to lay the moral blame for this pain and death at the feet of anybody who espouses this hateful garbage. Sure, they’ll gnash their teeth and scream bloody murder (ironically) that they haven’t hurt anybody, but as somebody who goes around spreading these very harmful ideas, it’s time they owned responsibility for the inevitable awfulness.

Weird (Encouraged by the RESISTANCE!!!!) Eddie
Weird (Encouraged by the RESISTANCE!!!!) Eddie
3 years ago

from the NY Mag article comments;

The anger and vitriol leveled at MGTOWs is proof that it bothers you a lot

geez, fool, there wouldn’t BE any “anger and vitriol” if you’d just go your own way… GO, already!! All discourse directed toward you has been a <em<response to your continual whining about how you’ve been hurt so deeply you must now “go….”

Almost exclusively, this whining is about how you’ve been hurt by women who don’t want to “give you” the sex you “are entitled to”.

Okay, GO!!

EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)

But Gussie Jives, what about their frozen peaches?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ David F

Great article.

@ gussie jives

The chatter on the MGTOW and Incel forums about this seem to be a mix of congratulatioary pride about his efforts towards the ‘beta uprising’ and derision because he gave up so easily before he could carry out his full plan.

The #notallmgtows stance seems to be for public consumption only.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

As much as #notallmgtows might be for public consumption, there’s gotta be an element that they use as comfort blanket to avoid taking any moral responsibility for what they say and do. Basically “Yeah, I’m glad that guy did that! But I’d never do it myself, heavens no, I’m not a murderer. Murderers are bad guys!”

Perhaps this is impossible, but I’ve come to believe that the only way to break this cycle is to get these deplorables (to use Hillary’s word) to own their actions and the consequences thereof. How to do that, I don’t think anybody save one of their own can snap them out of it. They’re certainly not going to listen to the SJW Beta cucks and feminazis.

There’s something these guys tell themselves so they can look themselves in the mirror and go to sleep at night. I’d love to know what that is, if it’ll put an end to this nonsense.

I dunno… maybe it’s just my feeling of helplessness talking. I just can’t help but think of that line from First Knight where Sean Connery says “A man who fears nothing is a man who loves nothing; and if you love nothing, what joy is there in your life?”

And as he says “I may be wrong,” but these people’s lives seem devoid of anything close to joy.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Gussie Jives

get these deplorables (to use Hillary’s word) to own their actions and the consequences thereof

Yeah, good luck with that. Look at the mindbogglingly implausible things they accept as incontrovertible truth. If they can swallow the big lies, the little ones won’t even touch the sides on the way down.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ gussie

But I’d never do that

It would be nice to think that but…

*warning for misogynistic violence*

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r/Incel
Why do I want to strangle every single women on the planet?

u/GuyaneseManlet

I have this urge… This dire urge to strangle all of them. I will have my day of retribution one day. I will go around and choke out every female human organism I lay eyes on before they can even say “CREEP.”

(and there’s plenty more where that came from)

History Nerd
History Nerd
3 years ago

Both MRA’s and the alt-right are essentially “therapy” or “self-help” cults. They’re similar to Scientology or Objectivism while Ayn Rand was alive. They promise self-improvement while also recruiting people to support an authoritarian right-wing political agenda. Warren Farrell and other “nice MRA’s” regularly promote their ideas in the mainstream career advice and self-help scenes (Farrell’s work on relationships was endorsed by Oprah in the 1980’s).

It’s a bit of a bait and switch. Hbomberguy did a video about how Roosh uses anti-feminism to explain why his techniques don’t work as well as they should. Everything becomes about how fucked up society is because progressive social movements ruined it.

The pattern involves a group addressing the felt needs of people who are socially outcast (like 4chan users or certain gamers) and then radicalizing those people.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@Gussie Jives
As Alan has shown, taking responsibility is the last thing they would do. It’d be better if people were taught at a young age to not be like them and for law enforcement to take these people seriously. When they’re at the point where thinking mass murder is a good thing, treat them like the radicalizing terrorists that they are.

Grogepi
Grogepi
3 years ago

@Gussie Jives
Sorry dude, but in reality there’s really only two proven ways out of that viscious cycle of nihilism and catharic indulgence:
1)They get bored and happen upon a drastic improvement in general life quality. or:

2)They get viscuosly reminded of how hostile the real world is to losers who like to whine about their problems on the internet.

Neither are easy to come by. Nor would I wish either upon them.

PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Good article, David.

I wonder how long it will be before ThrowawayUsername migrates here, if he hasn’t already.

Hippielady
Hippielady
3 years ago

I saw in the comments that couple of people recommended your site. Kudos. 🙂

Austin Loomis
3 years ago

For me, the most heartbreaking thing is this comment from one Alexander Stallwitz on the Wonkette piece:

An Imam actually told Musilm women that it was okay if they didnt wear a Haijab [sic] because Allah would understand they were scared for their lives.

In the immortal words of June Jordan Browne, what the hell is everyone being reasonable about?

Jay oh
Jay oh
3 years ago

I’m mgtow and I think this article is a joke.

All mgtow is is a philosophy focused on making yourself happy. And It’s not just about women, it’s about life in general.

History Nerd
History Nerd
3 years ago

In my experience, a lot of MRA and alt-right types used to be right-libertarian-leaning Democrats. In other words, they were fiscally more centrist and agreed with a laissez-faire approach to social issues (so they supported abortion rights and marriage equality, but not broader feminist or LGBT movements for social equality). Supporting abortion rights and opposing the religious right made them acceptable as “liberals,” especially when Bill Clinton decided he’d pay less attention to feminist issues.

Obama was much more supportive of progressive social movements than any other recent president, even if he wasn’t as left-wing as many people would like. But his policies really rubbed some of the libertarian-ish Democrats the wrong way, so they defected from the Democratic Party and MRA’s and the alt-right filled their ideological gap.

The Real Cie
The Real Cie
3 years ago

One of the MGTOW bunch said “MGTOWs don’t seek to change any laws or oppress women, they simply don’t want to play the game anymore.”

I asked him why, then, didn’t they go do that in peace instead of wailing and gnashing their teeth endlessly about what a bunch of cock carousel riding sluts women are.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@Fujimoto,

Naturally, the comments to the article prove your points nicely. It’s good seeing most of the main MGTOW points summarized in one helpful location.

The comment at the very top (when I read the article, anyway) is exemplary: men built everything, men made everything, men gave women everything, and let’s finish off with a nice little threat of violence or two. Oops, I forgot: also, women are hateful.

History Nerd
History Nerd
3 years ago

“Women Going Their Own Way” were radfems who pursued relationships with other women as a political statement even if they were mostly attracted to men. I doubt that’s the sort of thing MGTOW’s are into.

numerobis
numerobis
3 years ago

David: New Yo*r*k magazine I assume.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

Repeating myself from another thread: All bigots are interchangeable. All bigotries reinforce each other

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
3 years ago

@Axe: Yes it seems like a mindset, and things like misogyny or racism or anti-Semitism are just the things that attach to receptors that are already there. You rarely encounter a person who is bigoted toward just one group.
Then they come up with reasons to rationalize the bigotry

Bina
3 years ago

@Sinkable John:

“MGTOW is not a geographical location !”

But I still wish it were. And I wish it were a desert island, with zero civilization, zero amenities, zero food, and lotsa scorpions.

Bina
3 years ago

I’m mgtow and I think this article is a joke.

All mgtow is is a philosophy focused on making yourself happy. And It’s not just about women, it’s about life in general.

I’m a feminist and I think this comment is a joke. The article, however, is dead on. Migtoes are miserable and it reeks off them. And yes, it IS just about women, because there’s nothing else they obsess about nearly so much…unless it’s Evil Non-White People possibly having sex with what they consider to be “rightfully” “their” women (note the quotes, there for a reason).

Migtoe isn’t a philosophy, it’s a circle-jerk of sad sacks who can’t face reality as it is. And if they’re truly Going Their Own Way, I wish they would hurry up and fuck off, already.

And yes, this applies to you too, trollicus.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Jay

And It’s not just about women

It very demonstrably is. It ain’t called PGTOW, is it? The whole thing is based around the axiom that society caters to women, and that men, thus, needn’t have any allegiance. Or that’s the forward face anyway. In actuality, it’s about bitter misogynists being bitter with other misogynists

Also:

it’s about life in general

Has never not sounded ridiculous

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@Jay Oh
“It’s all about life.”
“Ignore these screeds of hatred.”
“Those are outliers.”

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Agent of the FemiNest Collective; Keeper of a Hell Toupee, and all-around Intergalactic Meanie
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Agent of the FemiNest Collective; Keeper of a Hell Toupee, and all-around Intergalactic Meanie
3 years ago

Saved a link to this article for later dissemination. Thanks, Dave.

On the same page as that article there was a link to another article about how all women everywhere forgave Trump his actions after they saw this Instagram message.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/03/trump-releases-short-video-for-womens-history-month.html

Any women* here wanna test that one out?

*I didn’t watch it because 1. my phone’s data for the month is almost at its limit, and I’d rather spend that on something I enjoy looking at, like FR dragons, and 2. I was afraid it was one of those cursed videos like out of a horror movie that would take over what little mind I have left in this life.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’m mgtow and I think this article is a joke.

All mgtow is is a philosophy focused on making yourself happy. And It’s not just about women, it’s about life in general.

Who do you think you’re fooling? This blog has been chronicling your “philosophy” for over 6 years now. We’ve all seen shit tons of misogyny quoted in the post. We’ve experienced for ourselves the misogyny when MGTOWs come here to troll. You might be able to sell this to people who are unfamiliar with the manosphere, but it’s not going to work here.

Also, I really fail to see how ranting about how women are so evil and slutty and ugly and then wondering why they don’t fuck you is going to make you happy.

Fabe
Fabe
3 years ago

Jay Oh

All mgtow is is a philosophy focused on making yourself happy. And It’s not just about women, it’s about life in general.

Serious question: can you link me to one or more MGTOW forum(s) or website(s) that focuses on promoting MGTOW as “a philosophy focused on making yourself happy” rather than on saying terrible things about women? If you can, I will happily go take a look and revise my perspective if the evidence warrants it.

This reminds me of that post you made about the guy who when into a MGTOW reddit asking why they’re yelling about how evil women are instead of talking about all their cool hobbies and got ran out of town so to speak.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
3 years ago

I’m mgtow and I think this article is a joke.

So go your own way already, asshat.

PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Redsilkphoenix,

I watched it.

In it, he apologized for his pussy comment, calling women fat and ugly, and his comment about Megyn Kelley’s bleeding from her…whatever.

HA! No, he didn’t.

It was his usual bullshit, with lovely edited cuts to women (supposedly in the same room as him) looking on lovingly and attentively, with them all jumping to their feet to give a standing ovation his “Make America Great Again” sign prompt.

Haise, the husky puppy
Haise, the husky puppy
3 years ago

I remember lurking & reading about that hobby guy a while back!

Asking the important questions directly: “why is everyone just talking about women; I want to know about everyones cool hobbies!” He was mercilessly dragged up and down by mgtows for it then was chased out of the cult.

How dare an outsider question our ways! Shun him! Shun him!

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

There was a post here a couple of years about a MGTOW YouTuber who shot a video of himself trolling other non-gender politics related channels (like Enya videos) and showing off his instant ramen stocked kitchen. Cool hobby!

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
3 years ago

I’m always impressed at how hard some of the MGTOWs work to try to convince us that they don’t care the slightest bit what we think.

Methinks the MGTOW doth protest too much.

Shaenon
3 years ago

Best line from the comments:

The MGTOW talking about what a gynocentric society we live in at this particular moment in history is as ridiculous as it would be if women complained about living in a patriarchy while having Gloria Steinem as President, bell hooks as VP, Roxane Gay as whatever the hell Steve Bannon does, Lena Dunham as Attorney General, and an entire senate and house controlled by riot grrrls.

Because how boss would that be?

gijoel
gijoel
3 years ago

Christ that James Jackson looks insufferably smug in that courtroom photo. Hope the judge shuts him down before he gets the opportunity to do his Alt-right courthouse rant.

Boo
Boo
3 years ago

Inside a bigot’s head:

“I guess they’re right that it doesn’t really hurt me if that gay or trans person gets to be their weird self over there. Now mommy or girlfriend, can I have a sammich?”

“I guess different skin colour doesn’t really matter. Besides (sex symbol POC lady celebrity) is hot!”

“If I have to respect women, then mommy or girlfriend will expect me to do my own housework. That does affect my lazy ass. Women must respect male authority!”

Bigots and rapists will reluctantly give up prejudices that don’t actually affect them, but will dig in their heels to maintain the servitude of women.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Boo

Bigots and rapists will reluctantly give up prejudices that don’t actually affect them, but will dig in their heels to maintain the servitude of women

^THIS
http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/55fc522e3a02e0b16051ca83/master/w_690,c_limit/chiwetel-ejiofor.gif

Elizabeth Regina
Elizabeth Regina
3 years ago

@Boo

Thank you for articulating something I had been trying to put into words for a long time, about how sexism is the last prejudice to go. Sexism is the least expendable, most prevalent and jealously guarded form of bigotry.

BoinkBoinkBoinkBoinkBoink
BoinkBoinkBoinkBoinkBoink
3 years ago

I’m late to the party, but I just wanted to say congrats on the great article! You did an excellent job at explaining how all the little branches of different hate groups overlap with their philosophies. It’s a good read for both the people unfamiliar with them, and those of us who have been dealing with them for a long, long time.

20 Points to the House of David!

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