Racist terrorist James Jackson — who has confessed to murdering an elderly black New Yorker as a sort of test run for a more dramatic act of mass murder — in many ways seems like 4chan’s /pol/ made flesh, a deeply alienated young white man driven by racist rage and, apparently, deep fears of sexual inadequacy.
So you might have expected that his dramatic hate crime might have won him nothing but warm huzzahs from the folks in /pol/. And, in one recent /pol/ thread, he did inspire some cheers.
“[A]ny dead n*gger is a good n*gger,” wrote one anon.”The only thing James did wrong was turning himself in,” another anon opined. And still another gave the killer props for his ” fashy hair do … 10/10.”
But others were less impressed.
“He didn’t think about the long term,” one critic complained
What has he even achieved? Not even a good kill count. Just One, Old, man. Now Brevik. Brevik was an hero my lad. Imagine working all that shit out then planning it. He was not wrong either. They were indoctrinating kids
Another scoffed, “how much intellect does it take to stab a homeless black guy?”
Some wondered why Jackson had targeted black men anyway — when the real enemy, in their minds, is the (((Jew))).
“With so many scum bags in the world, why throw your life away to kill one homeless nigger,” one asked. “Guy could have at least taken out a (((wall street banker)))”
“Jews want whites to fight blacks,” wrote another.
Not Jews
The threat is from above (((wall street))) not below as Jews want whites to believe.
Naturally, this being /pol/, there were more than a few who dismissed the whole thing as part of a devious conspiracy to make white racists look bad.
“False flag,” one charged.
Dude from n*gger central Baltimore goes to New York to kill blacks, takes the life of a single homeless and then gives himself up to police. Couldn’t be more obvious.
Another saw the CIA’s fingerprints on the murder.
>decide to kill blacks to prevent racemixing
>target one 60 year old black guy
I’m sorry but that shit REEKS of a CIA plant/psyop.
A few stray souls even suggested that, as one put it, “White Supremacy is foolish nonsense” and that murder is, you know, bad.
But some thought these sorts of condemnations were self-defeating.
The right always condemns the lunatic fringe on their side like how Richard Spencer got kicked out of CPAC, but the right is always labeled as nothing but violent lunatics.
Meanwhile, the left embraces their violent lunatics and puts them on a pedestal but the same media kike puppets never call out their own side, let alone refer to the left as a bunch of violent lunatics.
The only solution?
I think the right wing needs to start embracing their violent lunatics like the left does with theirs. They have nothing to lose because they’re already labeled by the media as a bunch of violent extremists anyway, and eventually, leftist teeth are going to have to start littering the streets.
Huh. I’m pretty sure that the right has been embracing its most violent members for some time. Anders Breivik, who murdered 77 people, most of them children, had more than a few defenders in the right wing of the manosphere — not to mention the Breivik fan further upthread.
These are ugly, ugly times.
I think punk derailed when it went from being working class kids in nylon parkas and Farah slacks to this:
@alan
All good things get killed when mainstream tries to capitalise.
@ valentine
Sad, but so often true. I have no objection to things reaching a wider audience. I’m no gatekeeper and it’s great that other people get to enjoy. But so often, what made the original thing great in the first place is lost or diluted in the process.
@alan
I understand art is for interpretation of individual but so many people are morons that it can ruin things that felt special. And also show the crack. I loved minecraft when it was a shitty beta game that no one new about. Felt lonely and nice. But as it came more popular noch chaged what was good about it added more crap and then turned out to be a massive debil in the process -_-
Same with sex pistols maybe when it was a ideal it seemed special soon as it came to be popular, turns out that it wasnt what we thought it represented in the begining.
Some things i guess shrivel up under attention
I’m getting the feeling that “violent lunatics” refers to the usual long dead revolutionaries – regardless of how the Left actually feels about them, which is often much more complicated than just “embracing” them.
Still beats the ones on the other side of the fence. Those have no redeeming qualities whatsoever and they’re all scumbags no matter how you look at it. I think the line’s pretty clear.
@SFHC
But he was punched twice. Totally evens the score.
And to be fair, the thousands of memes and videos that were rolled out after that do count as “embracing violence” – I just don’t see anything wrong with this particular instance.
They likely think of antifas too. At least some of them are unpleasant thugs, so I guess they can easily exagerate them as being bloodthirsty killers.
I’m sorry, but this makes me laugh whenever I see it or some variation thereof (like “false flag!”). Just to carry on my Dune metaphors from the previous post’s thread, do these guys really think that there’s some kind of mastermind on the level of the Emperor of the Known Universe making plans within plans to take down one of the Great Houses of the freakin’ Landsraad here?
Cuz if there was, I guarantee they’d be devoting those plans to something a little more lucrative. Coups d’etat for example.
@CS Strowbridge
Echoing the others here that the latter sentence is beyond the pale, the former is absolutely something that needs to happen. There’s something of a double standard at play here: groups like Daesh use social media to actively radicalize vulnerable Muslim men and this is understood by at the very least the intelligence community if not the public at large, yet similar radicalization that produces people just as misogynistic and anti-Semitic as any Daesh member is… what, just kids being kids on the interwebs?
What needs to occur for the intelligence communities to take the very real danger that these (often young) people radicalized with white nationalist rhetoric pose to others? A mass shooting where the shooter shouts “Top KEK” as he’s firing into a crowd? We’ve already had Elliot Rodger, Dylann Roof and Anders Brevik, and while one of them is a Norwegian example, it’s not like Brevik didn’t swim in the same soup /pol/ does.
Day by day, I grow more and more convinced that the 4chan demographic is a story worthy of a PBS Frontline news piece or a series from the Spotlight team. Well-adjusted people don’t think the way /pol/ does.
Antifa has the same problem as the animal rights movement. Some people are less concerned with the cause than the opportunity to fight.
Having said that I personally don’t think there anything inherently wrong with violence. It’s just a tool; like rhetoric, mockery, direct action etc. It’s what you use it for that makes it good or bad.
@Sinkable John:
I have been humming that song so much ever since der pumpkinfuhrer got elected.
Gonna second Alan here : violence is a tool, albeit a difficult one to use in a good way.
Yeah there’s a good deal of people in the Antifa movement who are less interested in the underlying ideologies than the opportunity to fight – but as far as I’m concerned, those same “thugs” are the ones who keep everyone else safe when something’s organized and nazis come ’round to crash the party.
So yeah, I have much more tolerance for them than for those who want them gone. Keeping clean hands is a luxury that some can afford only because others don’t. Me I’d rather keep that luxury for as long as possible, so I’m not gonna look a gift brawler in the mouth while they’re watching over my scrawny ass.
Fuck knows you can’t exactly count on police to do that.
@Fishy Goat
At this point it’s pretty much stuck in my head. Brain’s playing the giant “FUCK OFF” on loop.
Valentine – the parens to me are hugs. Also, I want a t-shirt with a picture of Troomp, Bannon, Ryan, Preibus, DeVos, Sessions, et al with a caption that says “This is why we can’t have nice things!”
This is perhaps one of the most obvious (and apposite) examples of ‘good’ violence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/25f351c0dadf748227b8380a74d06c91574c313f.jpg
As well as the immediate victory, the battle had wider ramifications in that it demonstrated that Nazis did not have popular support, and lead to the introduction of various pieces of anti-fascist legislation.
I don’t have problems with antifas using violence against fascists, nor with some being unpleasant thugs as long as I don’t have to work with them. They just are the lowest hanging fruit for people to hate on the left.
That being said, I can think of maybe one case where antifas killed someone. And it looked like it was a fistfight going “wrong” more than an assassination. As I said, when people want to justify their belief they are good at exagerating things.
@hambeast
That is an awesome idea for a shirt! Do you think it exists somewhere. And in the spirit of hugs and smiles and sayng fuck fascists have some proper smiles))))))
There is a fine history of resistance by the left, and we’ve been not afraid to fight… though we’ve taken far more blows than we’ve delivered, the history of miners’ strikes is uplifting.
Battle of Blair Mountain
Coal companies trying to erase the site, wiki reports:
Another consideration with the use of force is; whom might face any backlash?
There’s a fine line perhaps between offering support when invited to do so, and escalating a situation then letting someone else face the consequences later.
That’s not to say support has to be conditional on those you’re supporting taking action themselves. Defending people who (for whatever reasons) can’t necessarily defend themselves is the same as any other use of privilege.
Garry Trudeau’s sardonic humor… B.D. and Ray discuss White Genocide…
OT: I made a translation of a Pokemon Sun/Moon Fan Comic
Source
https://twitter.com/akimo210/status/845933080363749376
http://i.imgur.com/bl8HXaV.png
Valentine – Absolutely! And proper (((hugs))) too.
There’s a “This is why we can’t have nice things” shirt with Troomp here
http://skreened.com/plzthreadonme/this-is-why-we-can-t-have-nice-things-donald-trump
otherwise, it’s just pictures of the White House or the US Capitol building.
@IgnoreSandra
Is there not a process for removing him from the cast over that kind of thing?
@Alan
See, I think Orwell was being a touch naive with this one. The current and past oligarchies have always been fully aware of what they’re doing, whatever flowery language they dress it up in.
@hambeast
That’s amazing shirt! They should do one for each president ??
Speaking of coal: Herr Dampnut just signed ANOTHER executive order rolling back Obama’s climate protections, because they’re “killing jobs” and “making coal miners suffer”.
The petty orange turd cares more about “clean coal” and “Making America Wealthy (but only the 1%) Again” than he does about future generations, but then again, that’s Textbook Conservative.
And the White House has quietly restarted talks about Health Care.
Today’s SMBC comic features some fashy hair.
@ Weird Eddie
Since when did Ray Hightower have the greying hair? I remember he and B.D. met in the first Gulf War, I figured he was in his twenties at the time, while B.D. was a Vietnam vet in his forties. I suppose it’s been a quarter century since then….
A part of me still misses B.D.’s helmet, but I suppose Trudeau couldn’t keep that gimmick up forever, and 34 years is a long time.
Dalillama:
But every government mythologises itself. Every totalitarian government believes that it will be the one which will succeed where others have failed, that it’s so much better at it than those past dictators (losers! sad!). The fact that the regime of 1984 was mistaken about history doesn’t mean that Orwell was similarly mistaken.