Another day, another drive-by misogynist commenter who ends up being even more terrible than the terrible people I wrote about in the post he’s commenting on.
Yes, it’s time for another episode of The Comments I Don’t Let Through. This time, it’s a guy calling himself DownWithWomen, commenting on my post about the lonely incel who wants a nice woman to pay attention to him — while at the same time he openly advertises his belief that women “deserve the rope.” That is, a good hanging.
DownWithWomen, by contrast, thinks that men won’t have to kill women, because women will kill themselves once the men of the world discover how awful they really are. The catalyst? Artificial wombs.
When artificial wombs are invented men won’t even have to do it, women will rope themselves as their sexual market value plus power that comes alongside it is completely destroyed.
Yet another creepy dude obsessed with (cis) women’s fertility.
But then the argument takes a somewhat unexpected turn:
[W]hen [women] start to diminish men will most likely find it viable to cross the x-y line in order to flock to cute-boys to settle down with, and marry whom don’t have the hypergamous instinct of biological females.
Incels and MGTOWs often joke about turning themselves gay in order to avoid the dreaded girl germs, but this guy is serious — if a little confused as to how sexual orientation actually works.
As soon as [artificial wombs] are invented we don’t have to put up with the bullshit of women anymore, cute-boys are more feminine than western females and always eager to please/available for sex to a partner.
Hate to tell you this dude, but I’m pretty sure the twinks of the world aren’t going to want to have sex with you either.
They are more of a woman than any western whore and at the same time if you pursue them now there is no trouble, and also no ridiculous laws on what rape is(Which is everything nowadays) protecting them.
Wait, your argument is that straight guys will turn to twinks because, hey, you can just rape them with impunity?
Rape laws protect men too, you piece of shit.
The commenter then trots out the sad old argument that women only want macho “bad boys.”
Even if one marries a nice-guy he will only get used for his money, while she will continue to sleep around with the alpha male bad boys. The beta male nice guy will be forced to pour his resources into raising his child, which should be the responsibility of the other man and not him.
Never mind that this is not actually how the world works, and that the guys making this argument have zero proof that women routinely cheat on “betas” with “alphas” and use their allegedly superior sperm to make babies that the betas think are their own.
Women are biologically hypergamous, will always date and marry up, and even if in a relationship, a woman will immediately leave the man for a higher guy if she thinks she can land him.
And men sometimes leave women when they think they could “do better.” There’s no evidence that women are less loyal partners than men.
Women also sexually desire men who have a violent criminal record(Especially murder/assault/robbery/drugs/gangs being the top most “hot”) and wear tattoos/piercings on them. The jerks and badboys half of which being criminals, sometimes fresh out of prison/jail or bullies in school are straightforward about their sexual intentions; and masculine enough to press for it.
Well, first off, this is a giant pile of bullshit. And second, DUDE YOU JUST BASICALLY ANNOUNCED THAT YOU THINK IT WOULD BE OK FOR YOU TO RAPE GAY MEN.
You’re one of the “bad boys” you’re lambasting women for dating. Except even creepier.
But hey, thanks for sharing, I guess.
UPDATE: DownWithWomen has sent along an update of sorts:
We are talking about fem-boys you idiot. To sum things up here is a post from the 8chan /cuteboys/ section: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0R9eccUgEoH
As far as I can tell the board is devoted to young, femme gay men and crossdressers.
Fact is they are more of women than you, some claim to be straight but can be seduced still. They don’t complain often, and if they do try to cause an issue out of nowhere the gynocentric court won’t take them seriously.
So, doubling down on the rapey shit.
Women are not logical by biology, and 30% of babies born are not the husband’s baby but of alpha males.
This is not of course true. The 30% number gets bandied about because there was some study somewhere that found 30% of the time when the husband was concerned enough to demand a paternity test it turned out to not be his child.
@Chiomara: Your niece is adorable! And, what a great idea for a backdrop! I’m assuming the pink tulle, or netting, she’s sitting on, was there intentionally.☺
I was just thinking about what attracts cats and dogs to people. I always move slowly and deliberately around them, especially if it’s my first time meeting them.
I used to have a rather shy and skittish kitty, Callie, who was terrified of my father-in-law. He speaks loudly, probably because he’s somewhat hearing impaired. He also tends to stomp when he walks. Well, no sooner did Callie hear his voice, than she would start shaking like a leaf. She didn’t have to even be in the same room with him.
Dogs and cats love my boyfriend.
But babies — pretty much all babies — adore him. When a baby spots him, that little person is fascinated. Me? Other people? The baby might be interested for a few moments. But that child will stare at my boyfriend.
My boyfriend freely admits to being a child at heart. I think that’s what babies see.
I just saw JoeB’s comment. Why, oh why, would 60 Minutes give the likes of Juice Bro a platform? I feel the same way about certain other vile Alt Right characters, who’ve gotten exposure in the US mainstream media during the past year or so. They don’t warrant the exposure. Plus, I think it may legitimize them in the eyes of some people. Why give them more publicity?
I’m late to the party – I’m always late to the party (HI GUYS) but the thing that tickles me the most about this is the idea that cute crossdressing guys are going to settle for this type of dude. Ever. And I presume despite the rapey behaviour he’s fine with he intends some kind of settling?
Because someone has to RAISE that baby, you know. Unless the master plan is ‘destroy all women, enslave cute gay guys to raise children’?
Because that’s impressively weird even by my standards.
@Cat Mara, regarding artificial uteri.
I can think of one example where, depending on your point of view, they could be viewed as a positive thing. In the Battletech franchise, “iron wombs” were originally invented in the 21st Century to help with premature births. That’s not such a bad thing, is it?
Of course, fast forward to the 29th Century and the Clans (descendants of exiled soldiers from the old Star League) use them in their eugenics programs to breed superior stock for the warrior caste. While it’s possible for naturally born individuals (so-called freebirths) to become Clan warriors, it’s very difficulty and the more conservative clans invariably look down on children born the way Kerensky intended. Though Clanners may see this as a good thing (just like they think Timber Wolf is a better name than Mad Cat, savages), they also like to raise trueborns from birth to be warriors.
Basically: Just think of the 1998 Kurt Russell film Soldier and you’ve got the picture. There’s kids being indoctrinated, military brutality and a sweet training montage. Though Clans (as well as most of Battletech’s factions) are quite egalitarian regarding gender, with women regularly becoming Khans like Marthe Pryde of Clan Jade Falcon. So no male-only Clans here!
Interestingly enough, it’s precisely because of the amount of R&D poured into making better soldiers that the Clan civilians of Battletech lead far less comfortable lives than those of their Inner Sphere equivalents (which are the good guys, if only because they’re not Clanner scum). I’m going to doubt that the, ah, MeGoTOWs would be suitable material for MechWarriors or Elementals. Yes, Clanners may whine when they’re defeated in battle by underhanded (some might say clever) Inner Sphere tactics, but at least they do something other than whine about how they’re being treated unfairly all the freakin time. Of course, they’d also whine that around half of their fellow Clanners were feeemale in any event. I’m sure a MeGoTOW insulting a muscle bound Elemental for being a woman would go over very well before they were beat to death with their own spine.
To me, the manosphere’s fixation on iron wombs has always reminded me of Battletech. They seem to think living in a militant society like the Clans would be great, forgetting all the hardship that comes from living beyond the Periphery. Sort of like how they forget they’re not in a position to be in charge of so much as a potato gun. Then again, I never did understand much of the admiration for the Clans by Battletech players. Too much MechWarrior 2, I guess.
@Alan
Doesn’t have to be the dying parrot, you can go like “Blublublublublu!!!” “Schhhhickachickachickashhhhhh”, do mouth farts, anything of this sort. Bonus points for looking ridiculous for third parties!
@Dormousing
Yes, it was sitting around here to be used in her party, we noticed the light in the table where it was looked nice over her, so my mom just made a mess with it, grabbed her favorite toys, and had me take pics for her birthday ^^ It indeed was unusual and had a nice effect.
@Kat
I remember when I was a little child, I noticed there were the adults I knew that were just “adults”. By which I mean boring, who were kind to us but more interested in adult talk, treated everything we said and did as gibberish, ignored most verbal or non verbal things we said and did, etc. Watched cartoons with a blank stare or didn’t at all. They could even be funny, but were, ultimately, adults. The huge majority of adults were like that.
There are also the scary adults. They either just don’t like you or they act like they do but you can simply feel something is cruel/off with them. There was a cousin of mine who I was terrified of every since I was a baby, and my parents insisted I should trust him. He was a hairdresser and I remember sensing a shiver when he touched my hair or cut my bangs, or kept saying I was beautiful. I saw him as a living character from “Courage”. Later, as a teen, he started acting weirdly sexual around me and trying to find excuses to be alone with me. I tried to ignore my instincts thinking he was just a socially awkward guy who really liked me in a fraternal way, and rejecting him would be mean. My mother would save me from those interactions. Later I found out he was a pedophile with a preference for incredibly shy young teens (aka me!) so that was the mother of dodged bullets.
Until this day every child in the family fears him. Even if he arrives with presents, they grab it an run.
Then there were the adults who legitimately thought about us as people. Who thought our jokes were funny, who actually liked to play with us, listened to what we had to say, just treated us like we too were interesting and unique people. Not meaning to be holistic, but for lack of better wording, children and pets can sense all this energy, just like adults can or sometimes even better.
So I think your boyfriend must be a big adult child who totally speaks their language, is kind, and respects them, which are wonderful qualities, especially in a partner. Congratulations for you two, especially if you intend to have kids. This says a lot about him, in my perception ^^
@Chiomara
You have an adorable baby and niece. I’m sorry that your cousin’s a pedo.
@Alan:
If you do get to Israel, feel free to get in touch.
(This feels kinda awkward, actually, since I’m not much of a regular here so you don’t actually know me very well, but I do enjoy showing people around, especially in Jerusalem.)
Wingate’s in kind of a crappy location, though. Some nice beaches and dunes and such, maybe, but I think the closest urban point of interest might be an Ikea. :-/
Great. Another MRA who doesn’t know how homosexuality works. Exactly what we needed.
@Chiomara
Yeah, kids can sense good energy.
We have no plans to have children, but we do enjoy our cats — even though cross-species adoptions (human and feline) are difficult. I don’t know what they’re saying. They don’t know what I’m saying. But we make it work.
@ penny
Aw thank you; that’s so kind of you. Definitely will when I make it over.
I was hoping to do a bit of sight seeing. The timetable doesn’t seem to allow for that; but I think it has some errors in it. They’ve spelled ‘brunch’ as ‘fitness training’ for example. Apparently the graduation ceremony is on top of Masada. I’ve always wanted to do go there. They expect us to run up there but I’m assuming there are busses (otherwise I’ll be happy for them to just email me the certificate).
Hello.
I wonder… If DownWithWomen can be linked to what is generally called alt-right animefans here, and people who praised asian cultures only when they meet their own criteria, i wonder if “cute-boy” is not a reference to what is known as otokonoko, with ko as girl/daughter rather than child : 男の娘. If you take a quick look on the pictures via google, you may have the idea of what it is exactly. It is only based on the appearance, and has, in theory, no link to the gender the person says s.he is, nor to her/his sexual preferences. Of course, alt-right animefans and DownWithWomen ilks are prone to make quick shortcuts, but that is not really a surprise.
To stay in Asia, and especially Japan, more and more transwomen are know as newhalf (ニューハーフ), but only because they “look” closer to the image of women people have than the traditionnal okama (オカマ – the ones often represented by persons with “woman” clothes, make up and the like, but with beard stubble and “man” bulk). So, the cute-boy term can also apply to the newhalfs, i suppose. There are famous newhalfs in Japan, with TV shows and movies casting. Here is an old study about the various terms used in Japan. For a strong newhalf character, you may read the manga called “Liar Game”, there is one in the trio of main protagonists. To note, i do not have heard about a specific term for transmen in Japan.
Have a nice day.
The way these guys obsess over babies/women’s fertility/contested paternity you suspect it’s never occurred to them that they can choose not to father children. Maybe they’re dealing with cultural expectations, or the feeling that children are one of those grown up things you’re supposed to “just do” (see also marriage and home ownership). Either way, it’s laughable that the likes of DownWithWomen think they’re being “impeded” from sowing their seed.
I’m openly childfree by choice (as is my partner), and we both believe it doesn’t occur to many people that you don’t absolutely *have* to have children. I certainly believe it doesn’t occur to 99% of these MRA/MGTOW/PUA types, 100% of whom should never be allowed to raise kids in the first place.
With all their fears of being fleeced by a hypothetical woman who makes them pay for another man’s child, it sure as hell doesn’t sound like they even want to start a family in the first place. Why not own it? They’d almost certainly be happier (well, at least less suspicious) in the long run.
Okay, just setting aside the ghastly imagery of women hanging themselves, are we sure this guy isn’t from the Bene Tleilax? Cuz it sounds like he’s channeling their concept of the axlotl tanks right here (fair warning for those Googling it, some of the concept art people have come up with would give H.R. Giger nightmares).
Actually, come to think of it… don’t the Tleilaxu kinda fit the alt-right to a T? Xenophobic, isolationist, misogynistic, multi-faced, trusted by nobody, harbouring goals of conquest but used by unscrupulous powers for their own ends?
Damn, I gotta re-read my Dune novels….
The tleilaxu are at least somewhat competent and able to advance science, even in an horrific way. They do find a more humane way to create spice, most importantly. (I would not call anything else that they did humane)
They do fit the alt right in that they are extremely surprised to see a group of women being able to master their scientific advances, and in that they get wiped out in a very small amount of time by a group of determined women.
Hi all,
Regarding the ‘where do outlaws live’ exchange that was mostly on page 3, I’m led to believe the standard answer in medieval England was: close to the county border.
That way, if the Sheriff (or Shire-Reeve) of one county was in pursuit, you would head for the next county where they had no jurisdiction.
The town of Flash in Staffordshire is, apocraphally, a settlement of naughty coin-clippers and forgers who used to nip into Cheshire when the Staffordshire fuzz arrived, Derbyshire if it was the Cheshire law, etc. It’s also high up and remote, which was pretty useful.
‘Woods’, as such, were a bit few and far between – ‘forests’, on maps, tend to denote areas for the nobility to go hunting, rather than particularly wooded areas.
….and back to lurking….
@Alan
Cool! I’m available on Gmail, under lady.pennywhistle, so go ahead and write that down somewhere, for whenever. We’ll find out which of us is more awkward.
(Side note on that: Oddly enough, despite having very Israeli behaviour in some aspects, I find myself rather identifying with a lot of “this is so British” awkwardness descripions. Not all, but a lot. Also, apologising. My [American] BF sometimes teases me about how much I apologise, and it’s definitely not typically Israeli, but visiting London a couple of years ago I suddenly didn’t feel weird about that. 🙂 Sort of a liberating experience, I suppose. Sorry, that was a bit off topic. Erm…)
Oof, that sounds very gung-ho macho whatever of them. Let people have some time off! It’s a good thing that Israel is small enough that travelling doesn’t take very long.
As for Massada, it’s a fascinating site, and the Judaean desert there is quite beautiful, so yeah, definitely worth a visit. Buses don’t go up there, but there are cable cars, so that should be okay.
Oh Juice Bro, you should really delete your grosser/stranger tweets BEFORE you go on national TV and say something like “I don’t say anything I don’t believe”
Fun is being had on twitter with that one.
Sinkable John – Those evangelizers! How infuriating!! They’re either walking around oblivious to the fact that they may be harming/offending/insulting folks who are, related to, or friends with someone who was conceived with the help of IVF, or they *are* aware of this and just don’t care. Either way, they’re being awful humans. You’re perfectly justified to send them packing. With extreme prejudice!
I am able avoid itinerant evangelizers* (and there are loads of them here where I live) by using the peep hole** in my front door. Kids***, neighbors, and delivery people, I’ll answer the door for; most anyone else is a big ol’ NOPE. People I really don’t want to interact with almost always seem to carry either a clipboard or a briefcase.
*These are by far the most numerous. Next are the sales people (mostly selling pest control) and then the ones that want to buy my truck which is STILL NOT FOR SALE.
**I realize that a lot of folks aren’t able to have a peep hole, I count myself lucky here.
***I always do my best to buy stuff from neighborhood kids and they’re always welcome to come into my backyard and retrieve their balls and other toys, or even gather some lemons for their lemonade stand. I want them to know that I will always answer my door for them, no matter what.
@Hambeast
I gotta say I’m glad for France’s pretty strict gun laws, but I’m kinda sad I can’t pull a “get off my property” on those assholes because of those same laws.
I gotta think of something to scare them away for good.
Babies and small children were terrified of me until I dyed my hair blue, now the way they look at me and want to interact with me. My friend’s little girl actually talks to me now. (Except when my roots grow in, then she looks at me with suspicion.)
Children not being afraid of me is one of the reasons I haven’t gone back to my natural color.
(I can’t even talk about the Original Post, too gross.)
@Sinkable John – Stale baguette, wielded like a club? (-;
(“La baguette, elle a tres jours! Sacre bleu, c’est terrible!”)
(Apologies for mistakes above)
I have a peep hole in my apartment.
However, I AM TOO GODDAMNED SHORT TO USE IT A;KLSDFJA;SDLKJF
My uncles used to paint pentagrams on their foreheads and blast Rob Zombie from the stereo whenever they saw them coming and answer the door like that.
And a few other people I know like to ask them (jokingly) if in exchange for the evangelical pamphlets, the evangelists would buy tickets to their ritual sacrifice.
I can’t recall the original author, but there was a tumblr post where someone said they dyed their hair rainbow colors because children look at them as though they’re a magical fucking creature, and grown men look at them with disdain and disgust.
(Dammit, just missed the edit window to cotrect “tres” -> trois. Getting Latin languages confused. Assuming there are also other mistakes I didn’t catch. Also, how would you say “a travesty” in French? Online dictionaries seemed to go for the “parody” definition rather than the “keeping bread for three days” one.)
@Ohlmann
Of course! So focused on the details was I that I totally forgot basic competency and scientific understanding. Alt-right “science” is limited to a half-dozen bogus or debunked race theories and believing climate change is a Chinese hoax.
Full credit to the Honored Matres for taking out the Tleilaxu (despite being rather terrifying and squicky themselves.)