Men’s Rights Activists, and anti-feminists generally, are forever warning anyone who will listen that excessive feminism could, any day now, bring about the end of western civilization itself.
This is not a terribly new or original idea. And a post on Nazified pickup artist blog Chateau Heartiste today reminds us just how old and unoriginal this notion is.
The proprietor of that blog, James “Heartiste” Weidmann, brings his readers’ attention to a lengthy quotation from a 1911 book by a fellow named Octavius Beale.
[U]nreasonable demands for exaggerated “rights ” of women will always find a limit in the fact that the majority of men will constantly prefer for wives those who do not claim such rights, but who rather seek their happiness in cultivating and developing their specially feminine virtues and attributes, apart from any aim at equality with men.
Take that, feminist cat ladies with no husbands!
These attributes will also therefore be preferably inherited, whilst the extreme tendencies of the women’s rights movement will usually not come into heredity, but will constantly tend to die out.
Well, he was half right. Feminism did die out, for a time, but then it came back.
Notwithstanding, should woman-rule —contrary to all expectations— become so strong in any single State that it will be able to enforce all its demands, even the most extreme, that result could only be possible where the men are completely degenerated.
Degenerated, huh? Can you see where this is going?
Such a nation would soon be supplanted and dissolved by healthier peoples, who might, perhaps, stand on a lower scale of culture.
I believe he is referring to what the Nazis of today like to call “white genocide.” Back in 1911, Beale called it “Racial Decay” — which was in fact the title of his book.
Amazing how quickly and easily Beale slid from antifeminism to white supremacy. Just as so many antifeminists do today.
Heartiste follows up Beale’s dire, racist warning with a dire, racist warning of his own.
After declaring “equalism” to be “a corruption of civilized man’s soul,” he tries his best to rally the troops in defense of their white “tribe.”
[F]emcuntery will only achieve wrecking power in a nation of degenerated men unable and unwilling to act to preserve their culture and protect their tribe. Women are followers and will follow their nation right into the abyss if it guarantees their social standing among peers; as I’ve been saying, it’ll take shitlord men with big balls to bring their women to heel and their nation back to greatness.
Heartiste, seriously, no one wants to hear about your balls.
Sweet summer child, your sources amounted to other antifeminists making unsourced claims and assfax. That’s not sources, that’s just other people agreeing with you.
Also, saying that the world doesn’t care about unpaid labor isn’t really an argument. MRALMarkSore has not made an argument for why it’s good that the world doesn’t care about it and has not made an argument for why feminists shouldn’t advocate for change.
“And you’re shifting the goalposts. Earlier, you said women have less wealth because we are lazy. Now you’re saying the world doesn’t care about unpaid care work. So, you’re acknowledging that women aren’t lazy? You’re just saying that men selfishly work only on their careers? Once again, no misandrist like a misogynist!
Also, businesses wouldn’t have a supply of healthy and educated workers to hire to do their work for them if someone didn’t do childcare. So yeah, businesses should fulfill a social contract. They get a lot of wealth because of unpaid work and because of public infrastructure. Your Ayn Rand level arguments are just as tired as your MRA talking points.”
Just because I said women are lazy doesnt mean that I dont think that the minority dont work hard.
How do businesses get a lot of wealth cause of unpaid work? Thats why businesses pay taxes, because they are taking advantage of public infrastructure. They are also creating jobs and products and are making sure that the economy is stable.
I love your buzzwords like “Ayn Rand” level arguments. I hate Ayn Rand. Hows that for shattering your narrative?
If businesses werent there and werent creating products and jobs. What would you guys do?
“Sweet summer child, your sources amounted to other antifeminists making unsourced claims and assfax. That’s not sources, that’s just other people agreeing with you.”
Are you crazy lmao. Ive posted sources from governmental agencies. Do you even read the sources before spouting your bullshit? Jesus christ people. Atleast have the decency to MAYBE think about differing opinions.
@Bread
CHECKMATE, FEMINISTS !
Dude, you may think someone’s stupid and be right, that don’t make you any less stupid than them. Just shows how much self-awareness you lack.
“Also, saying that the world doesn’t care about unpaid labor isn’t really an argument. MRALMarkSore has not made an argument for why it’s good that the world doesn’t care about it and has not made an argument for why feminists shouldn’t advocate for change.”
What type of unpaid labor are you talking about? Some help the companies some dont.
I fail to see the reason for why you had to bring “MRALMarkSore” into this argument. Feminists can advocate for whatever the hell they want no ones stopping them. I doubt any one can right now.
You’ve already admitted to socking, so don’t pretend now that you aren’t a sock. Unlike you, we can all read!
Dude, you may think someone’s stupid and be right, that don’t make you any less stupid than them. Just shows how much self-awareness you lack.
How do I lack self awareness? I have a lot of flaws, and so does the feminist movement. Everyone has flaws, but unlike you guys I dont bury my head in the sand and ignore reality while personally attacking everyone whose viewpoint I disagree with. Thats why you attack me instead of attacking my points.
You’ve already admitted to socking, so don’t pretend now that you aren’t a sock. Unlike you, we can all read!
Aah the appeal to the people fallacy, we meet again.
@Berg
Case in point :
LOL LOL LOL
You’ve been evading the hell out of me, and now you jump in to … accuse me of something? Is this some kind of backhanded way of trying to gaslight and claim that no, wait, you’re not a sock after all?
“If I go through the list of all the fallacies I know, it completely ruins their arguments!”
His sophistry is hilariously stupid but remember folks, he hates Ayn Rand !
@Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Pray tell what reality I ignore and how I personally attacked you instead of attacking your points?
Policy of madness how am i ignoring you. I am debating with 5 different people. I have to answer all of you dont I? In case people accuse me of dodging(the sweet irony).
““If I go through the list of all the fallacies I know, it completely ruins their arguments!””
If you say fallacious things I am going to have to call you on it. Thats just the way it works. How about not making fallacious arguments instead of making fun of me for pointing out your fallacies? Ive just ruined the arguments of 3 different people.
Oh and by the way I have yet to see any sources from you guys of any of your points. Feel free to post them at anytime.
@Bryd
Am I of those people whose arguments you “ruined”? I can’t tell
Oh, now that I know what sock you are, I’ve given up on you and nobody else was ever interested in doing anything but chewing on you. Don’t overrate yourself the way you overrate your “research.” I’m just laughing at you ignoring me until you can whip out one of your fallacies at me (fallaciously).
http://everything2.com/title/Dutch+Seagull+Recipe
I always knew you feminists never cared about debate or understanding the views of the other side. It was always a about a powertrip or an echo chamber with you guys.
You whipped out my fallacies at me? Did you also send any sources for all your points? Or do you just talk big?
Well atleast today’s circle jerk included only 5 people. Only a few hundred more till you hit UC berkeley levels.
Oh my gosh, I can’t think why feminists wouldn’t try to understand the views of the other side when the other side openly claims an entire gender is lazy!
https://dosretdairies.wordpress.com/cooking-with-old-knob/roast-seagull-with-turnip/
“Oh my gosh, I can’t think why feminists wouldn’t try to understand the views of the other side when the other side openly claims an entire gender is lazy!”
Should have thought about that before calling me a chewtoy and not even posting sources of your claims while talking shit to me cause I took too long to post sources.
Dude, I linked you to a well-sourced white paper which you obviously didn’t click or read, let alone read any of the sources it cited. Keep banging on your persecution complex there, it’s a great look for you.