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Incels agree: It’s “unfair and cruel” to expect men to enjoy sex with women over 30

Happily, we don’t live in a world in which we’re put to death at the age of 30

The incel subreddit is filled with angry dudes who think their inability to convince any human females to have sex with them — their “INvoluntary CELibacy” — is some kind of human rights violation.

Many of these guys aren’t just mad that teen and twentysomething hotties aren’t leaping into bed with them; they’re mad in advance at any hypothetical “post-wall” women who would have sex with them. Because, you see, these bitter fellows imagine that all these women spent their prime hottie years having near-c0nstant sex with other dudes, thus using up all their sexual appeal, or something.

In other words, these guys think sex with any woman over 30 is like eating leftovers that have been quietly rotting away for a week in the fridge.

On the Incels subreddit today, a fellow calling himself jackville07 sets forth his version of this basic thesis:

If You did Not Enjoy Women in Your Youth then You got a RAW DEAL (self.Incels) submitted 8 hours ago by jackville07 Study hard, when ur 30 and successful all the women will finally mature and chase u since u will be a rich doctor. Dont worry All those chads will be working at a gas station at 30. Ur time will come. There is someone for everyone. Am I supposed to feel happy that I studied and worked my ass off (with ZERO help from ANYONE) from 13-30 without love,sex and intimacy and without enjoying a woman in her PRIME and BEST years. I must now accept a lower paying less educated woman who is past her prime and less attractive with sagging skin and stretch marks and who was a cum bucket for tons of chads for 17 years and be grateful and happy with that??? Why should men even live if we are given such a raw deal in life?? Totally unfair and cruel if u ask me.

I have so many questions. First off, why would any woman over thirty possibly want to have sex with a dude who sees her as the sexual equivalent of week-old lasagna sitting in the back of the fridge?

And second, are you aware that having sex with a woman over the age of thirty is not actually the sexual equivalent of eating week-old lasagna sitting in the back of the fridge? 

Incel dudes: Here’s the thing. Not everyone starts having sex at a young age. Some don’t lose their virginity until they’re 30 or older — and this includes plenty of women. And very few people out there are having the constant sex you imagine everyone but you is having. Lots of people have dry spells — some of them years long. There are even some “Chads” out there who are, to use your term, “involuntary celibate.”

There’s nothing to be ashamed of, and nothing to be angry about. It’s a part of life, not some plot engineered by the world’s women just to make you miserable.

Here’s the other thing: Incel dudes, as long as you have these attitudes, you are basically unfuckable. No woman — under thirty, over thirty, any age — should have to put up with a guy who hates them so much he’s furious that she’s ever had sex with anyone but him.

If you are able to purge yourself of these toxic ideas about women and sex, you might end up discovering that sex with women over thirty (or forty, or fifty, or OMG even older than that!) can actually be pretty damn awesome? If you get to the point of having sex on a relatively regular basis, enjoy the sex you are having, don’t sit around nursing your bitterness over hypothetical sex you didn’t have when you were younger.

One incel Redditor responded to jackville07 with this nonsense:

thegambler952 5 points 9 hours ago i feel you because im walking toward this path. i lost the best years of my life in a shitty university due to bullying. i will never get laid at 18 because im 21. fuck this. im too old and all girls are geting married while im pleading for chubbys to take my virginity

I’m sorry you were bullied, dude; no one deserves that. But as for the rest of your comment, well, fuck you. You didn’t “get laid at 18?” Big damn deal. Roughly a third of American males aged 18 and 19 are still virgins. If you spend the rest of your life bitter about the sex you weren’t having at age 18, no woman will ever want to fuck you, including the “chubbies” you’re now begging for sex.

Dudes, stop obsessing over the sex you’re not having. Stop reading the incel subreddit. Go to therapy. Your bitterness and hatred of women is rooted in self-hate; so are your feelings about older women and “chubbies.” Do your best to work through all of these issues. You will become a better person. You will become a happier person. You will become the sort of person women want to have sex with.

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Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

@Kat : science, sadly, isn’t able to create babe compliant enough for them. Apparently, there is something about “paradoxical set of requirement”, “test model still being seen as unruly despite litteraly following all order”, and stuff like that.

Also “not worth the effort”. Mostly that one, it seem.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Ohlmann
Incels would really, really like to attract women effortlessly.

Similarly, I’d like to win the lottery without buying a ticket. It’s cruel to expect me to enjoy life if I can’t win the lottery!

Lukas Xavier
Lukas Xavier
4 years ago

Mark Plus

Name me one guy this has worked for. Give me a real example.

Me. In hindsight, my biggest regret is that I didn’t get therapy sooner. So much time wasted being frustrated and unhappy. Actually, so much time spent making myself unhappy and not understanding why.

Turns out, when you just stop sabotaging yourself, life gets a lot easier.

Valentine
Valentine
4 years ago

My girlfriend is 27 and i am 24. I had never had sex before her but she had and it’s totally irellivent! We have been together now for nearly 7 years. Maybe its as simple as respect for eachother that makes relationships last? What nonsense that too much sex somehow damages woman? I mean that would explain why these guys thing women have no loyalty. Why should you want to stay with someone who doesn’t respect you? Seams like the logical choice.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

@Kat – Me too! It’s cruel and unfair to expect me to live without the million dollars I am owed. Let’s form an “inpoor” support group.

Men, unlike women, have the option of living the equivalent of two or even three lives because we can marry younger women and start new families with them every couple of decades until fairly late in life – uh, like President Trump, in fact. (No wonder so many men admire him.)

So then what’s the problem, Mark? Why so whiny and bitter? You’ve got your whole sexual life ahead of you. If anyone should be whining about being incel, it should be 30+ yo women.

And yet, you don’t hear anything of the sort. Which is a good indicator that this whole concept of “peak fuckability” happening at a biologically determined age is bullshit.

Peak fuckability is distinct from peak fertility, which happens later than you think for women, and is also a thing for men, too. There’s a reason sperm banks have an age limit for donors. Risk of autism and birth defects increases with the age of the father. I don’t buy the rumors about Barron Trump, but Trump isn’t exactly the picture of virility, what with the propecia use, orange complexion, junk-food diet, zero exercise other than golf, retreating to his bathrobe by 6 pm, and his lousy thin-skinned, weak personality. He’s the quintessential old man yelling (or tweeting) at clouds. If somehow he and Melania divorce in the next few years and he’s able to find a new wife or mistress, it will be in spite of his age, not because of it.

Take away the $$ and gold-plated toilets, and Trump would be just another incel loser who grades women numerically and views them as status-conferring objects. It’s telling that he has to “grab them by the pussy” and that he’s left a trail of assault victims throughout his life. You’d think women would be willingly throwing themselves at such a superior specimen, no?

Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
4 years ago

I hope these young men grow up eventually. I’m pessimistic about it, though. I wonder if it’s due, at least in some part, to the huge amounts of video games and porn these guys consume. They’re immersed, from a very young age, in an electronic fantasy world designed to cater to them. Add to this a lack of real-life experience, and it’s a recipe for disaster.

Like another commenter above, I had no luck with the opposite sex until adulthood. I never thought it was anyone’s fault but my own. I figured I was too shy, skinny, pimply, and awkward to have a boyfriend. Shooting up a school in revenge against “society” never entered my mind.

Like another commenter, I would never want to be young again. Middle age, with all its disappointments, is far preferable to me.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

I am extremely skeptikal of any explanation that start by “huge amount of videogame”. In history, the exact same argument was made about novels, television, theaters, and likely other things. And I am not exactly sure that the videogame at large are made to cater to them ; at best, they choose specific viedogames that they find appealing. But a lot of discussions with thoses guys convinced me that they use the good old rose-tinted glasse method to not see what they don’t want to see, both in videogames and in reality.

I think the root cause is that there is a lot of asholes among humans. The incel asshole variety is likely less problematic than witch burners, mob lynchers, and the like, but they are still dangerous.

Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
4 years ago

@Ohlmann: You may be correct; it’s a broad statement I made. Also, like I said, I’m middle-aged. I haven’t been involved in youth culture for a long, long time.

EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)

I wonder if it’s due, at least in some part, to the huge amounts of video games and porn these guys consume. They’re immersed, from a very young age, in an electronic fantasy world designed to cater to them. Add to this a lack of real-life experience, and it’s a recipe for disaster.

This is a very interesting point. To further it, I feel that there’s an essay to be written about internet-socialisation-as-video-game, although I am definitely not the right person to write it.

Dr. Thang
Dr. Thang
4 years ago

@Dormousing_it

Hey, don’t blame the videogames and porn, I’ve consumed mountains of both and I’m nothing like these wastes of organs, except for the whole still being a virgin part. This is all about entitlement, without it you don’t turn out like them, you just accept your failures rather than blaming women.
It’s true that videogames do tend to portray women as sexual rewards you get in exchange for gifts or quests, in fact Jim Sterling made a great video about it, but that’s a pretty common staple in all forms of media. I can’t count how many movies or shows use women primarily as a prize that the hero wins in the end, and boys are absorbing this message their whole lives, so it’s no wonder many start to feel like they just deserve a young attractive woman solely by proxy of being a male.
However, if you have no sense of entitlement, that message slides right off you like a dead hagfish. I don’t know exactly why I don’t have that, maybe because all the self-esteem was beaten out of me long ago. Either way, I thank the All Father I didn’t end up like these bitter little disappointments.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Funnily enough we were just having a conversation about Incels and video games last week. If it’s ok I’ll just cut and paste:

Oh and Incels. Both fascinating and horrific area of study. No need to apologise for them. They’re very much a minority, albeit a dangerous one. They do seem to have a thing though that they take all their cues from games and fiction (albeit their own twisted interpretation). That’s why they have such difficulty relating to real life relationships. In games persistence is rewarded. You do all the prescribed tasks and when you collect enough tokens you get the princess as the reward. I think that might be one of the reasons for their displeasure at female characters and female gamers. The first confuses their narrative. Guys do stuff, women are prizes. Secondly they think girls playing games given them an unfair advantage cos in effect they’re learning blokes strategies for capturing them. Like teaching a fish which lures anglers use (they use a lot of fishing metaphors).

If they were genuinely disadvantaged socially for whatever reasons one might initially have sympathy for them, but they really are the authors of their own misfortune. The one thing they hate is ‘normies’ (ie not incels) and ‘female organisms’ giving them advice, as it doesn’t conform to their world view (and what do women know about women anyway?)

Theres a *genuine* discussion thread going on at the moment where they can’t understand how even though they’re the absolute experts on women (because they discuss ‘female’ behaviour all the time) and know exactly how to deal with women, women won’t interact with them even though they will interact with normies despite normies being totally clueless about how women work. Their conclusion is its women’s fault for not understanding their own nature 🙂

ETA: ninja’d by dr thang

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

Internet as a way to be isolated from other opinion is however a phenomen that begin to be well documented. That’s the end of mass-media in that you much more easily get a media that please to your specific taste. The good side is that, to be honest, sites like this one are a lot easier to find now than anything similar in the 1970’s.

The horrible downside of that is that if you’re a proto-nazi, you will find sites and newsgroup ready to feed your hatred very easily.

That being said, I think the current rise of all sort of hatred is more a product of economic crisis and organized poverty than a product of the internet. The internet might have made it easier, but nazis (and all their predecessors) showed that when there is a hate, there is a way.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

As much as misogyny in games is a problem (and oh God is it a problem), placing the blame for these ego-tripping sexist assholes at the feet of gaming misses a huge point: Games are the way they are because game companies are run by men who’ve been ego-tripping sexist assholes of the exact same kind since long before gaming was even a twinkle in a military oscilloscope’s eye.

The cause is cishet white male entitlement, not gaming. The Internet’s just shone a light on something that was always there.

Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
4 years ago

@Dr. Thang: I realize it’s not ALL young men affected this way; not by a long shot. It may be entitlement. It may also be, a certain personality type is primed to be affected very adversely by certain kinds of media.

I had the little bit of self-esteem I possessed haraunged out of me:)

@Ohlmann: You’re right about movies, novels, etc; the same sort of things have been said about them. When I was a teenager, it was MTV. MTV was the big corrupter of American youth, said to destroy our attention spans. Well, I’ve consumed massive amounts of MTV, and I doubt it did me any harm.

@Alan Robertshaw: RE: That last paragraph: So with these incels, it’s circular reasoning in regards to women. Also, there’s no place for differing ideas to gain a toehold, or to even be considered.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ kat

“Government gets girlfriends” is both an incel philosophy and the handle of a particularly notorious incel blogger (if you are going to look him up there aren’t enough trigger warnings in the universe).

The proposals vary from state sponsored prostitution through a sort of ‘sexual socialism’ (basically women’s rights being tied to willingness to have sex with incels) to outright sexual slavery.

They’re real charmers. One other thing I’ve noted in my delving into that murky world is a habit of capitalising ‘ER’ in phrases like “get hER off your back forevER”. That turns out to be an homage to ‘saint’ Elliot Rodgers; who’s a bit of a hero for a lot of them (although being Incels there’s also a subgroup that hates him because he had ‘acceptable’ physical characteristics and a car so technically he’s a ‘Chad’)

Bina
4 years ago

@Magpie:

Any man who thinks every 30 year old is wrinkled and saggy has obviously been getting his ideas of women from high-end skincare ads. Not from any acquaintance with actual women.

Seriously. I’m crowding 50, and I have yet to buy an overpriced “anti-aging” anything. Because I don’t think every last wrinkle (including the ones I was born with) needs to be hidden or erased before I become A Worthwhile Person. Marketing, how does it work?

Maybe if these guys could pull their heads out of the TV set (or their arses, same diff), they might actually get somewhere.

Also, if our troll is still around, wondering what good therapy does: It worked for me, as a teenager. Among other things, by helping me to (slowly, gradually, eventually) see that how fuckable (or unfuckable) I was to others didn’t make no nevermind at all in the grand scheme of things. That everybody has to lead their own life, and that there is no textbook correct way of doing so. And that’s a lesson that’s still serving me well at almost 50. Evolution, how does it work?

Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
4 years ago

Also, in regards to today’s video games, I’m an outsider looking in. It seems to me, they are much more “immersive” in nature than the old-school Pac-Man type of games kids used to play on huge machines in pizza joints and convenience stores.

I guess cis-male entitlement may be the definitive factor. It must be nice, believing the world revolves around you, and even more, the very foundations of civilization are reliant on this. I’m being only a little bit sarcastic, here.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ dormouse_it

So with these incels, it’s circular reasoning in regards to women. Also, there’s no place for differing ideas to gain a toehold, or to even be considered.

“Reasoning” isn’t really a word that has much place in inceldom. But any challenge to their world view is dismissed out of hand. About a third of posts on their reddit group for example are complaints about being given advice. If ‘normies’ express a counter view it’s because they’re trolling or they’ve been fooled by women. If women try to tell them about actual women it’s either a lie or self delusion (it’s a common theme that women don’t understand their own nature).

There’s also a bucket of crabs mentality. I’ve been looking at Incels from a radicalisation point of view. There’s quite a sad thread at the moment. A high school lad (yup high school) has actually managed to talk to a girl. It’s actually quite sweet, they’ve clearly had a mutually shy teenage conversation about a common interest and she’d like to hang out sometime. But he’s now being warned in no uncertain terms that AWALT and she’s obviously sucking off Chad behind his back and she’ll just exploit him for his ‘beta bux’ (ie just lead him on in exchange for him buying her stuff).

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

@Dormousing : it’s truly hard to me to say if they are more immersive. The uncanny valley have a role here at least for me ; I was guenuingly more involved in older game like Secret of Mana than on newer game like The Witcher 3, because Secret of Mana don’t try to be realistic and is really, really consistent in his art style, while The Witcher is at that awkward spot where small aberration put me out of immersion.

There’s also the fact that the younger someone is, the less sensitive he will be to a last generation videogame. “The arrival of a train” was guenuingly immersive for early XXth century guy, but nobody now would bat an eyelid at it, because there is enough television and stuff that we easily see the difference between that film and a real train. I am not fully sure of that, but I expect a youngster who love videogames to spot the difference between reality and a last generation game a lot more easily than someone who never was quite interested in them.

@Alan : I agree with the bucket of crab analogy. Part of what it work so well is that it put failure on the shoulder of a mysterious conspiracy. It’s a lot easier to swallow being a “loser” when it’s not your fault. And it’s a lot easier to cast itself as a loser than to try to improve

(I do empathize with the root cause of their radicalization because I do hate seeking a romantic partner ; I guess in different circumstance and birth, I would easily have been one of them. Which is a chilling though)

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
4 years ago

Ooglyboggles

@Fruitloopsie
And the US government refuses to acknowledge radicalization of these Terrorists

FTFY

Mark Plus
https://youtu.be/C-IvV8thrO4

Menopausal Magpie and everyone else.
:Hugs:

@All
I don’t think we should blame video games, porn, media for misogyny because how do we explain misogny before those even existed? Those things come from misogyny. Blame the people who make them and the people who eat that garbage up.

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

Mark Plus is posting to David’s Facebook too. His Facebook is public. He is exactly the Dunning/ Kruger racist turd you’d expect him to be.

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

Dormousingit,
Mark Plus looks to be in his 60’s. He is grown up. He’s just awful.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@Fruitloopsie
Ty for the fix. That is alot more appropriate.
@Lea
For him it must be nice to know that there aren’t groups dedicated to ruin your life at the slightest provocation and sign of weakness.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ fruitloopsie

I don’t think it’s media that causes this, after all misogyny has always existed, rather that it provides a ‘model’ that these guys can use as an explanation and a justification. Of course companies know their markets and feed that demand. But that also goes towards explaining why they get so peeved when media deviates from the standard narratives, for example with female protagonists.

And yeah, the terrorism classification is the basis of my project and the reason I’m having to delve into that particular metaphorical swamp.

(I quite like real swamps, they’re fun)

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
4 years ago

Alan
I know that’s what I said we shouldn’t blame video games, porn OR the media, etc when misogyny has always existed since the beginning of time before any of these were even invented and the rest you said is what I mean. Sorry that I didn’t clarify.

Lone Galtian Bootstrapper
Lone Galtian Bootstrapper
4 years ago

@Alan

“Reasoning” isn’t really a word that has much place in inceldom. But any challenge to their world view is dismissed out of hand. About a third of posts on their reddit group for example are complaints about being given advice. If ‘normies’ express a counter view it’s because they’re trolling or they’ve been fooled by women. If women try to tell them about actual women it’s either a lie or self delusion (it’s a common theme that women don’t understand their own nature).

Even after YEARS of reading about the man-o-sphere, THIS is the stuff that still gets my blood boiling. Really, it’s the same with conspiracy theorists. They somehow WANT their bleaker than bleak worldview to be right, and will do anything to protect it. I mean, I know people in general hate change & challenge. But this is not that.

Schematic:
Incels: problem problem problem weeeehhh
World: here, solution
Incels: no no no I hate you stop giving me solutions.

Which begs the question: what do they WANT? What is their ENDGAME? Have they become so attached to their role of victim that they just don’t want to give it up? Is hard-done-by their favourite done by?

p.s. the hER and bettER thing truly made my eyes pop, but as we know, there will always be worse, with the guys who don’t find him a True Incel enough…JESUS.

ETA: Ninja’d by Ohlmann: “And it’s a lot easier to cast itself as a loser than to try to improve”

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ fruitloopsie

Sorry that I didn’t clarify.

Oh you were perfectly clear. Sorry, it was probably my response that wasn’t. 🙂

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

This advice doesn’t even make any sense. Psychotherapy didn’t exist before the 20th Century, and arguably it didn’t exist before the 1950’s when Albert Ellis and Aaron Beck developed cognitive approaches to help people manage their emotions better; the techniques they originated have quite a lot of scientific support now.

Ordinary, not very attractive guys didn’t seem to have trouble finding female companions before then, so why would psychotherapy become necessary now?

You’re making a couple assfaxumptions and not backing them up. What makes you think weren’t unpartnered men before cognitive therapy was developed? What is your evidence that before feminism and psychiatry, relationships were all smooth sailing for everyone? Haven’t you ever read or seen a Shakespeare comedy? Or any other book or play with romantic relationships in the plot. I don’t know if there’s any reliable data on how many people were unpartnered or how many had bumpy romances and courtships, but these stories probably wouldn’t exist if love troubles didn’t exist across time and culture.

Where is your evidence that men who don’t look like Jason Mamoa can’t find a partner these days? We always hear this from manurespherians but spend a couple of hours out in the real world and it’s clear this is not true. There are plenty of men who aren’t super conventionally hot with girlfriends, boyfriends, wives, husbands. I observe it just about every day. Sure, beautiful people might have more options on who they can date. That does not mean you need to be beautiful to find a partner.

Jesalin
Jesalin
4 years ago

My view is that it’s less video games and more (passive) visual media in general, upbringing, and general society also gets a cameo.

Visual media, by which I mainly mean tv and movies, has a mainly passive form of consumption. The audience sits in front of the screen with their eyes open and information streams into their brains. Some of those brains have extremely poor filters, and some are extremely gullible/impressionable. ETA: Internet echo chambers can probably be added into the mix as well.

Add in the standard ‘happy ending’ bullshit (ie. girl=prize, guy always gets the prize, even if the ‘prize’ hated his guts for the whole show/movie) + the standard pervasive toxic masculinity. You’re bound to end up with some royally fucked up people who believe and internalize all that bullshit.

None of this is to say that these poor, precious, entitled snowflakes (ie. incels/mgtows) are blameless in any fashion. I just think that there could be some kind of mechanism behind their (initial, false) beliefs. If they lack the self-awareness to evaluate (and modify) their own behaviours/beliefs (and other’s reactions to it/them) in a wider social context, that’s all on them.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Mark Plus looks to be in his 60’s. He is grown up. He’s just awful.

Oh, that’s sad. He writes like a twenty year old who is very angsty but smug because a couple college courses made him think he knows it all.

The entire manosphere sounds like that regardless of age though, don’t they?

Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
4 years ago

@Lea: So, our friend Mark is in his 60s. Downright disturbing, that someone can be so privileged, so insulated from any reality outside his worldview, to hold onto his warped assumptions and beliefs about women.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

So, our friend Mark is in his 60s. Downright disturbing, that someone can be so privileged, so insulated from any reality outside his worldview, to hold onto his warped assumptions and beliefs about women.

Well, Trump’s 70.

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Sseba | March 12, 2017 at 4:06 am

Am I supposed to feel happy that I studied and worked my ass off (with ZERO help from ANYONE) from 13-30

Really? Zero help? I mean, not even Wikipedia or something? Because you realize you didn’t invent the entire Internet by yourself, don’t you?

I was thinking the same thing. Dude, did you not have teachers or anything???

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
4 years ago

@Magpie
@Bina

I’m 28 going on 29, so close to the “post-wall” limit. (Or am I way, way over? The posts keep changing). Either they think that a woman physically deteriorates at the stroke of midnight upon her 30th birthday, or they think that it’s a gradual effect starting at…whatever goddamn age they’re currently running with.

Lessee. I have zero wrinkles, not even the start of raven’s claws when I smile. Hell I still have some mild acne, even. I have stretch marks on my thighs, sure, but that was from losing a decent amount of weight and those chucklefucks want women to be slim, right? You can’t see them except under bright light anyway.

I do have varicose veins in my legs due to a circulation problem, and I do have some premature grey hairs. Hmmmmm. Ah well. Nobody knows unless I tell them and the trade off is that it will get redpill/incels types to back off. I’m happy with that!

Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
Dormousing_it (formerly RoscoeTCat)
4 years ago

@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs: I was just thinking the same thing.

Privilege on steroids.

Crip Dyke
Crip Dyke
4 years ago

Jackville07:

I studied and worked my ass off (with ZERO help from ANYONE) from 13-30 …

Sure. You were 13 years old and no parent was paying rent for you to have a place to live. The government refused to provide you, as a homeless teen, any housing or other services. You worked 3 minimum wage jobs to pay for your own food – which you prepared yourself – and a place out of the rain to study your 8th grade, health-class textbook. You probably even personally forged the ID allowing you to avoid anti-child-labor laws. But if you didn’t , it’s only because you taught yourself creative writing & sold a book to a publisher or something to get the money to pay a professional forger who didn’t have the heart to help you in your Libertarian quest for self-sufficiency…at least not without 5 thousand dollars up front.

Yes, yes. I’m sure those were hard years for you, the years you got ZERO help from ANYONE.

…and these Feminists have the BALLZ to say that women are under appreciated when with everything you’ve done with ZERO help from ANYONE can’t even get you a hand job.

Bina
4 years ago

@sunnysombrera:

I’m 28 going on 29, so close to the “post-wall” limit. (Or am I way, way over? The posts keep changing).

Hell if I know, I was reckoning by the Chinese calendar. That seems to be the one that most of these clods seem to consider our sell-by date, as if we were literally Christmas cakes that have no value after the 25th.

And yeah, 30 is awfully arbitrary (and young!) to be considered a used-up crone, too. At 30, I was still breaking out in zits (heyo!) and while I was starting to get those vertical between-the-brow lines, I assumed it was just from being all “WTF???” a lot, and having nothing to do with age. Expressions, we have them! Our faces, they develop folds from them! And yet, strangely, it makes absolutely no difference to who we are as people! And neither does our fertility or lack thereof, which is less dependent on age (or extreme youth, rather) than was previously believed!

Oh, the shock and the horror! Women are complete human beings, not reproductive sex-machines! (Or sexual slop-buckets, in these guys’ idiotic view of things.)

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

I am very glad I am asexual and don’t even have to participate in the mating game.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

OT : I am currently painting a bunch of minis for a wargame. I have added hair to some to suggest they are female, and painted half in a dark skin tone, the other half in a pale tone.

The power of unconscious stereotype make it so when I look at the hairless one, I feel that they look physically stronger than the haired one ; and when I look to the darker skin ones, I feel that they look physically stronger than the pale ones.

I guess it’s my daily remember that racism and sexism is a thing powerfully implanted in my psyche. (and in most people psyche I guess)

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

Funny thing, but despite being over 30, and having had a lot of partners, my husband seems to think that sex with me is still fun. Also, a fair number of the aforementioned partners were also women over 30, and I recall having quite a bit of fun then too. That said, I doubt if these jackasses would actually have much fun even if they could somehow convince a woman to have sex with them; I’m honestly not sure they remember what fun is in any context.

Handsome :Punkle Stan: Jack

OT: Samurai Jack gave me hope for the future of reboots and continuations.

JS
JS
4 years ago

@earlier troll: Studies referencing a previous survey do not necessarily interpret the survey correctly. Also, “Lies, damned lies, and statistics” isn’t just a saying. Thirdly, even well conducted surveys can be wrong, see most any voter survey from last election that failed to account for those people afraid to admit “Yeah, I’m voting for the bigoted orange one”.

Finally, which part of that survey actually supports the conclusions in the Heritage study? For an interesting exercise in “choosing graphs carefully to prove point”, read Crichton’s “State of Fear”. Near the last sentence of the Author’s Note/Appendix, Crichton says you should be suspicious of the agenda of anyone presenting scientific results… then says he has no such agenda. That was the best part of the whole novel, the book, appendix and bibliography full of data “proving” global warming wasn’t happening, claiming “no agenda, read these and think for yourself”. On the other hand, don’t bother reading it, it’s not very good as a novel either.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@Handsome
I just want to gush about everything in this season premiere but at the same time it would ruin the surprise.

PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Oh, hey, it’s a good thing my current spouse, whom I married when I was 35 and he was 30, didn’t know all this back in the day, otherwise he might have thought I was a post-wall past my expiration date and kept on his quest to find the woman he was entitled to instead of marrying the woman he loved.

Hambeast (fan of diversity)
Hambeast (fan of diversity)
4 years ago

Dalillama said

That said, I doubt if these jackasses would actually have much fun even if they could somehow convince a woman to have sex with them; I’m honestly not sure they remember what fun is in any context.

But, I thought that a big part of the incel’s schtick was that sex (for menz, anyway) is a totes serious *need* and not some frivolous desire for funzies. Hence, their demands for government intervention to get them laid. Which makes interpersonal interaction not something to be done for enjoyment, but merely a means to an end.

Don’t know what my point here was except maybe for yeah, incel seems to be where fun goes to die a horrible and unnecessary death.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

Hi guys! A few days ago, the official report on our handling of the 2015 refugee crisis was finally published. It’s been in the works for since June last year. I haven’t had time to read it yet, but over the next few days I hope to scan the most important parts. I doubt I’ll have the time and patience to read the whole thing (it’s 600+ pages). If anyone’s interested, I’ll post my understanding of the report and its conclusions in an open thread when I’m ready. Report can be found here (PDF):

https://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0ahUKEwidr77N7NHSAhUFlCwKHdP1AVcQFggvMAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.regeringen.se%2F493a12%2Fcontentassets%2Fe8c195d35dea4c05a1c952f9b0b45f38%2Fatt-ta-emot-manniskor-pa-flykt-sou-201712-hela&usg=AFQjCNGs1bkegRndlvp1eECVUD1VyoMo8A&sig2=A0S_0HrlAftdcIZGS6e8_g&cad=rja

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

@SFHC

I sent you an email a little while back. Not sure if you’ve seen it! The content of which is somewhat pressing! It’s Pokemon Go related! 🙂

PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

IP:

I’d be very interested; your posts give me plenty of rebuttals against the online bigots who use Sweden as their argument against refugees. And for that, I thank you.

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

Hambeast:

But, I thought that a big part of the incel’s schtick was that sex (for menz, anyway) is a totes serious *need* and not some frivolous desire for funzies. Hence, their demands for government intervention to get them laid. Which makes interpersonal interaction not something to be done for enjoyment, but merely a means to an end.

On the government intervention thing: if this were simply about sex, they would be demanding that the government issue Fleshlights, and maybe porn (can you imagine government-issue porn?). So I think there’s more to this than simply the need for sex. There’s also laundry and sammiches, for example.

Ellesar
Ellesar
4 years ago

I don’t think that men like this think of having sex as a pleasureable thing to do in and of itself, but as a way of proving oneself and of achieving worth by comparing the ‘conquests’. The sex could be absolutely awful for both parties but if the ‘female’ in question is a teenager, slim and fulfils other criteria these saddo’s would be delighted with the experience. There is no hint at all that they see sex as a mutually enjoyable experience.

Now reading comments I can see that other peeps share this opinion.