Last month, Reddit admins shut down three subreddits catering to the internet Nazi phenomenon known as the alt right. Not because these subreddits were filled with vile bigotry and hate speech — though they were of course filled with that — but because Reddit’s alt-righties had repeatedly violated the site’s rules against doxxing, according to Reddit’s statement announcing the ban.
But don’t worry, folks! The refugees from these banned subreddits haven’t been forced to leave Reddit for more bigoted pastures, for as it turns out Reddit is chock-full of subreddits big and small where their brand of bigotry is welcomed with open arms and perhaps even a few “Roman salutes.”
One of these places is the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit. While Reddit’s MGTOWs have long been known for their ridiculously over-the-top outbursts of misogyny, many of them are now adding vicious racism and anti-Semitism to the mix. Indeed, some discussions in the subreddit now are basically indistinguishable from the discussions you might have found in the now-banned alt-right subreddits.
Here are some of the, er, highlights of a discussion today in the MGTOW subreddit with the title “Feminists & Refugees Turned Sweden Into GHETTO.”
![[–]JFK7878 16 points 8 hours ago Feminists are just useful fools, refugges are bio weapon and real mastermind behind this mess are swedish jewish elites who control media and try to impose Kalergi plan on swedish population. permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]maokei 4 points 6 hours ago I'm thinking of the scumbag George Soros. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]dylanboyd 1 point an hour ago Oy vey, turn back the Goyim know!](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/iuhihuiuuh-e1488420688103.png?ssl=1)
At this point anyone playing alt-right bingo has probably scored bingoes on all of their cards.
The discussion continues:
![knightwhosaysneet 11 points 9 hours ago Oh look! A majority non white area is a ghetto. Who would have guessed? permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]maokei 8 points 6 hours ago As a Swede myself I can tell you that's what happens when you have little to no clue about who you let into your country you get the absolute trash. In my experience muslims as a group are some of the worst immigrants in Sweden with focus on people from the middle east and north Africa. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]T0000009 1 point 47 minutes ago It's like that all over the planet, and yet they will always blame whitey for their failure to amount to anything.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/uyurrrrr-e1488420875341.png?ssl=1)
So has the MGTOW subreddit simply been overrun with Redditors from the now-banned alt-right subreddits? That’s probably part of the story. But the more disturbing takeaway is that many of Reddit’s lady-hating MGTOWs are turning to the more comprehensive bigotry of the alt-right.
That’s not just a hypothesis on my part; they’re stating this explicitly.
![Coluphid 12 points 8 hours ago But (((who))) controls the feminists and media in Sweden? permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]dazedandconfusedrp 12 points 8 hours ago When I became MGTOW 3 years ago I never imagined it would take me down the altright route. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]mikek44224 7 points 8 hours ago Feminism and the invasion of militant Islam are two means to the same end: the destruction of the West.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/iuiuh-e1488421255229.png?ssl=1)
Hell, some just can’t shut up about it.
![Coluphid 12 points 8 hours ago Me neither buddy. Three years ago I would have been a hardcore Bernie fan. Left leaning. Buddhist. Then the censorship came. And like so many others I sought greener pastures. And there I learned so much. So many of the lies we are taught from birth - women are only the beginning, and a small part of the greater untruths. It sucks. And it was a hard journey. But at least I know it's the truth. Not everyone can cast off their entire worldview and take on another. But for those who can, the reward is to stand tall in the light of truth. Finally able to take reality head on. Knowing the rules. Knowing the history. Armed with their strength as a man and the inborn will to create, to build, to challenge one's self and ones enemies. Three years ago I was just another beta cuck. Today if nothing else I am a free man. My destiny wholly in my hands and my soul armed with the indisputable truth of nature. We can change this world. Make it better. Cure it's sickness. Realize our destiny. It's within each of us as a man. Take it. It's yours. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]zandorz 5 points 8 hours ago MGTOW is just the first step to the awakening](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/fsfgegdfgdf-e1488421711714.png?ssl=1)
But don’t worry, Reddit’s MGTOWs haven’t forgotten their roots. And by “their roots” I mean their absurd misogyny. Like many Men’s Rights Activists, MGTOWs love to demonize Sweden as a hotbed of evil feminism and “gynocentrism.”
And so, naturally, some of Reddit’s MGTOWs hope the whole thing ends with Swedish women suffering for their excessively feminist refugee-welcoming ways.
![Returnofthemack3 3 points 2 hours ago It's going to be hilarious when white women are rushing to leave these countries once the reality is unavoidable by all but the very rich. This will happen sooner than you think, because the muslims are outbreeding the native populations. It wont be long until they are the largest base of voters, which will quickly translate to a shift in governance. Think about it, after muslims hit that 30 percent demographic threshold, the tide will turn at the governmental level. It's unavoidable unless the native population starts fucking a lot more, which is NOT going to happen in a post feminist society. They're fucked and they wont know it for a while permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]johnnyblorf 1 point 27 minutes ago Women lack the agency to move to a new country on their own. They'll move if they're married and the man goes. If they're single, which more and more are, they'll stick around and spread their legs.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/uhiuhi.png?ssl=1)
Some look forward not only to female suffering but actual death:
ETKDoom is the sort of immigrant we need to be “extreme vetting.”
All this would be a good deal more amusing if America’s so-called president weren’t himself echoing the alt-right nonsense about Sweden. We’re definitely in the darkest timeline.
@occasional reader:
It becomes increasingly clear that what they really hate isn’t women – it’s anyone that isn’t exactly like them.
Women were apparently just a gateway drug, or more acceptable to denigrate perhaps.
> Tosca, DanHolme, Pie
Thanks a lot ! Now that make more sense, even if it is a bad one.
About Bantustan, i only know that the word ba m’bula (drum) in the bantu language has given the word “bamboula” in French. If at first, it was only associated to a dance (it still is, but not as first meaning), people have sadly quickly turn it as a racial slur (equivalent to n**r).
Wait, I thought Western women were irredeemably ruined, worthless, blue-haired, overweight feminazis? So why should MGTOW care if brown refugees are coming into their country and dating them?
(I know, I know, it offends their just-world fantasies to see “less-than” people having sex and procreating, but it will never stop being funny how much time these flinty-eyed, aloof Men of Destiny spend obsessing about women. They constantly brag about how the Red Pill reveals the deep truths of the universe, and then, from atop the mountain, they use their new powers of freethinking cosmic clarity to….whine about women. Wasted trip, man.)
@Tosca:
Very good point.
Why do I never notice these contradictions?
Re: the -istan thing: The far-right has been affixing -stan to the end of place names for a negative connotation for decades – I was brought up in the movement, and it was doing that since at least I was a small kid. Probably longer because my folks are not fast adopters of new slang. I remember my parents ranting about how “Kanuckistan” (Canada) is going the way of the filthy commies and we’d all be under Russian control in 20 years and the US preppers would be the last vestige against Russian totalitarianism when I was an elementary schooler in the 90s (… why yes the far-right DID predict Russian influence over elections in the 2010s… it just didn’t happen the way they thought it would happen).
Basically, it works like this: You take a place you want to denigrate. If possible, distort the pronounciation to sound a bit harsher (Lun-DON-is-STAN instead of London), or start it off with a derogatory slur for the place or people (“Canuck” instead of “Canada”). If it ends in a consonant, affix -istan to the end. If it ends in a vowel, just use -stan. Voila! You have an all-purpose derogatory term that means whatever the fuck you want it to mean!
It was also a major dog-whistle. If you used a -stan name in the 90s and someone jumped right in with you, it was like a far-right secret fist-bump. If you use that derogatory and nobody knows what the hell you’re talking about or they’re vaguely offended by it, you knew they’re not in the club. ‘Course, now that far-right pundits are publishing books with that nomenclature, it’s gonna go mainstream and lose its dogwhistle benefit so the underbelly of the alt-right is probably going to move to something else, like calling Obama Obummer after “Barack HUSSEIN Obama” lost its sting because the left just laughed at it once they found out.
I wouldn’t call bullshit – only because 15 years ago, I wasn’t that far from ‘full nazi’ (I was against ‘segregation zones’ for LGBT people and PoC, “for their safety” – which was a hobby-horse of the pocket the extreme far-right I was immersed in back in the 90s and early 00s and I started getting out around the later half of the 00s and lost touch with the movement so I don’t know if it still is. As an aside, if you think that sounds like it was a euphemism for concentration camp, you’re right – but aside from that most of my beliefs could’ve been pulled whole-hog from Breitbart or the NPI) and now I’m an anti-racist pinko commie SJW. Radical and complete shifts in one’s social and political views can and do happen. His story has eerie parallels to mine: Like him, I was brought up with a certain set of beliefs. Like him, I met friends who challenged those beliefs – and slowly, over time, I became de-radicalized. By contrast, he slowly became radicalized.
For me, it’s less a bullshit story and more the effect social connections can have on a person’s world view. Mind you, it won’t happen to everyone – I was a good target for de-radicalization because personality-wise, I’m kind of like a labrador retriever – all HAIL FELLOW WELL MET over-friendly and genial. If you can get past the autistic awkward (I actually am autistic, I’m not making fun of myself here), I make friends easy and fast – and I care deeply about the friends I make, so if something hurting them, I get pissed off at it on their behalf. So when I made friends with PoC in my first year of uni, de-radicalization and becoming an anti-racist was really more of an inevitability than anything else. And my friends who were PoCs were admirably patient with my racist ass beliefs at the time. Frankly, I am amazed and grateful and humbled that they didn’t just tell me to fuck off and die in a fire the first time I blurted out some shit about how residential schooling wasn’t that bad or how Africville’s destruction was unfortunate but the price of progress or what have you. Now-me would not have blamed them a bit for doing it. If anyone here reads Dumbing of Age – imagine Joyce only less religious and more racist, and with Dina’s level of social awkwardness, and you’ve got a pretty good analogy of how fucking ignorant, sheltered, clueless and prone to causing harm to people unintentionally (and worse, not realizing I’d caused harm until someone went off on me) I was in my first year of uni.
On the other hand, this guy was probably a good target for radicalization because it seems he’s got that “It’s not my fault!” personality that’s receptive to being given a target of blame for everything that goes wrong in his life.
tl;dr: If friendship can de-radicalize me (and it did), I have zero doubt that it could radicalize someone else.
I’ve just noticed the last step is blank, oops.
It was something like:
– Therefore, they must be lying to cover up THE TRUTH.
– Insert TRUTH of your choice here
We should all feel sorry for Swedish men. It must be terrible to live in the country with the 6th highest living standard in the world (US is 19th), the 4th highest life expectancy for men, and the 19th highest safety ranking. Who would want to live in these Scandinavian hellholes?
The only conclusion I can draw is that these poor, frightened, beleaguered boys are as afraid of women as they are of brown men. It must be awful, living in that world they’ve collectively created.
Not at all the paradise they keep promising each other, is it?
“I thought Western women were irredeemably ruined, worthless, blue-haired, overweight feminazis?”
I’ll happily claim that, if that’s what MGTOWs are saying. Yes, this describes me, and I’m proud of it. (Bonus: bi and in love with two women, neither of whom is interested in letting cishet guys watch. We’re a scourge, I tell you!)
And I’m another. I moved from the UK to Spain all on my own-y-own. Not that facts would interest this guy.
I think the reason these guys hate Sweden is because it’s living proof that their world view is bunk.
Fascist: “Atheists have no morals. Any atheist-majority country is bound to be a hell hole of crime”
Reality: “Sweden”
Fascist: “Sex-ed classes and readily available contraceptives and abortion mean loads of abortions!”
Reality: “Sweden”
Fascist: “Humane prisons are a ridiculous idea. If nobody has to be scared of prison, crime rates will be sky high!”
Reality: “Sweden”
Fascist: ” A comprehensive safety net will make people lazy. No-one will work and the economy will collapse.”
Reality: “Sweden”
Fascist: “Treating reugees as hunam beings means disaster!”
Reality: “Sweden”
And so on.
@zesty:
So when they whinge that the mens are hard done by because of life expectancy differences etc. (as if women are to blame, somehow) they don’t actually care about it really? Shocker.
@Sheila Crosby:
*sigh* In the words of everyone to Gary King in The World’s End:
“There’s no point arguing with you.”
They just say whatever and nothing’s going to change their minds no matter how much they claim logic and reason are key.
Looks like we’re doing a good job proving this guy wrong. I moved overseas for my PhD (in a STEM field no less). I found a lab, contacted my supervisor, convinced him to take me on, moved to the UK, and became a doctor, all by myself.
Tell me again how women lack agency.
I´m from Sweden and honestly, until now I never realized I was living in a dystopian Matrix maintained by the swedish jewish elite. Until the Red Pill, it looks like country with its pros and cons.
@dr. ej:
But you don’t qualify as you exist outside of their heads.
As a person who has studied Democratic Socialism for a while and wrote her thesis on it – I feel like Coluphid just proves the point I have been trying to make from the primaries:
If you were a ‘Bernie fan’ (I don’t believe him for one minute, but I will take him at face value), but then turned to Trump during the general – you actually don’t understand what the party policies and politics and were only interested in ‘fucking up the system (and really wanted weed legalized) Guess that isn’t working out so well for you guys!
Personally I am shocked that a ‘movement’ that spends all of its time debating whether women are people with trufax emotions and agency has moved on to have these thoughts about others that aren’t like them.
OT:
http://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2017/02/27/texas-lawmakers-advance-bill-that-would-allow-doctors-to-lie-to-pregnant-women
This is 2017 right? Because it’s really starting to feel more like the early 1900’s.
On topic:
I’d say what they really hate is not having ultimate power over everyone they consider “beneath” them (IE. anyone who isn’t a white cishet male).
There’s a deep story here, one that I see getting highlighted more and more by some very talented writers. It’s like a nexus of fear and hatred in impressionable young men being exploited with the aid of the internet in a way that we haven’t fully been able to grasp. Not that it’s necessarily some conspiracy, but you need look no further than Breitbart to see the same white-hot rage towards political correctness/feminism/anti-racists as you would see on The Red Pill Reddit. Their targets may differ, but the language is too similar for this not to come from the same well of discontent these guys have fostered.
Reading these articles, there’s a very ugly Dorian Gray portrait starting to come together here, and it’s one our respective societies need to start coming to grips with:
https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-key-to-the-rise-of-trump-624e7cb798cb#.ni6fhldj1
https://psmag.com/on-the-milo-bus-with-the-lost-boys-of-americas-new-right-629a77e87986#.q307yzpp8
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/02/23/p.c.-culture-vs.-the-big-joke
http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2017/02/reddit-the-red-pill-interview-how-misogyny-spreads-online
h/t GamerGhazi
As much as a part of me feels sorry for them, like Atticus Finch, my empathy for cruel ignorance ends when another person’s life is at stake, and they’ve left their fair share of lives in tatters.
And why? Because they had the temerity to colour their hair while talking feminism? Or analyze video games from a feminist perspective? Deep down, they must know their reasons are unsavoury, hence the comforting lies about protecting “western civilization” or “gamer culture.”
I wish I had some solution, some answer to how to combat this… but I just have nothing that can fix broken empathy on a scale this large.
@ jesalin
We’ve had a similar thing over here. The Council of Europe passed a resolution stating that parents shouldn’t be informed about gender in pre-natal screenings. CoE resolutions though aren’t binding on member states; so it’s up to each county to make its own rules.
I’ve got a friend who’s a mid-wife and she says some hospitals do have an informal policy of not telling parents or delaying screenings if they’re worried there may be a termination for gender reasons (although the official explanation is not having the budget).
@Jesalin:
And yet, if you ran on a platform of deporting these people (the TSCSA*) you wouldn’t even be made President.
What goes on in their heads? Do they genuinely believe they’re helping or do they know this is entirely – in their view – for their own benefit?
On the subject of women having no agency, I told a friend about my eldest son’s situation. Long boring story but there are 4 mid-teens (2 boys and 2 girls) with varying levels of responsibility for the situation.
Friend: “The boys need to sort it out between them”.
Me: “But she deliberately engineered the whole situation and the other girl knowingly went along with it…”
Friend: “Yep, but it’s not their responsibility”
Me: “?”
Have to say I was shocked, he’s always been a bit of a self-proclaimed neanderthal but I thought he at least considered women to have agency. Evidently not.
Based on that I guess the Texans could well believe they’re doing good. How do you fight that kind of ignorance?
That TX law sounds like it potentially be against federal law but I’m not sure. I might look into it later.
avoiding telling parents about characteristics of the fetus that they might terminate the pregnancy over seems like a prime recipe for child abuse.
@lith
Yes.
@ gussie jives
Thanks for those links. The New Statesman one was particularly useful for something I’m working on.
OT Again:
Complaints mount against judge in cab sex assault case who said ‘a drunk can consent’
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/bassam-al-rawi-taxi-cab-sexual-assault-halifax-1.2875142
I always thought that it was obvious that a person in an ‘altered’ state of mind can not consent. Apparently I was mistaken.
Wow, they really aren’t even trying any more, are they? Not even gonna bother with a lazy just-so explanation, just gonna say any ol’ thing they want and treat it as true, because reasons.
In that case: Men lack the dexterity to thread a needle. They just can’t do it. Ever. They gotta ask a woman to do it for them, or use one of those needle threading tools. It’s just science.