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Sick David

Hey it’s a rhino for no reason

Ugh. I’ve been hit with a nasty flu, so I will be out of commission today and probably for several more as this thing runs its course.

Which is a pity not only because I feel like crap but also because there’s lots of stuff going on. It’s (Not My) Presidet’s day, and there are anti-Trump protests around the US (and in London too, but for different anti-Trump reasons).

Meanwhle, our old friend fiend MILO was scheduled to be one of the keynote speakers at CPAC (Conservative Political Action Conference) but, oops, conservatives discovered that their favorite hateful bigot has, on a number of occasions, explicitly defended pedophilia oh sorry “ephebophilia.” And now he’s been un-scheduled. See the latest here!

Anyway, I’m going to go lie down. Feel free to use this as an open thread of course.

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Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Moggie

His raging narcissism, and his addiction to controversy, would make him a dangerous addition to the team

It would make him a superfluous addition to the team.

JennyWren
JennyWren
3 years ago

Jessica Valenti makes the excellent point that it is hypocritical for someone to defend Milo on the grounds of free speech, but then drop him once he starts talking about paedophilia:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/21/milo-yiannopoulos-republican-bigotry-alt-right

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

Welcome back, Chiomara! I have been busy with my job and don’t have as much time to devote to the comments as I used to. I still read them, but by the time I get here and can comment, it seems like either everything I wanted to say has been said, or the convo has long moved on.

re: MILO, I agree that there is a categorical difference between wanting to fuck a 6-year-old vs. wanting to fuck a 14-year-old, but trying to split the hair as to when a child ages into the second category is a distraction. Both are abuse. Neither is acceptable. Milo is making a big deal out of the categorical difference in order to elide the abuse in both categories of action. His rhetoric is that if he can get you to concede that there is a difference, you are therefore conceding that the second category is OK. It’s a form of verbal trickery. We can concede that there is a difference without conceding that one of the categories is acceptable. Our condemnation is not restricted to just one category of action. We can condemn all kinds of things simultaneously!

wrt: S&S, let me play the world’s smallest violin for them if they can’t get their advance back. They knew perfectly well the kind of person they were signing, and they did it anyway. They are not innocent lambs who have been conned by a con artist. If they can’t get their money back, I’m not going to cry for them. They are just as scummy as Milo. The only thing I’m sorry about there is that Milo is the beneficiary.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@JennyWren

Jessica Valenti makes the excellent point that it is hypocritical for someone to defend Milo on the grounds of free speech, but then drop him once he starts talking about paedophilia

Yeah, sounds like someone doesn’t realise what the “free” in “freeze peach” means. It doesn’t mean “the right to say what you like”, it means “the right to say things I agree with”. It is a common confusion.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ Arctic Ape

CRISPR/CAS9 will make your wildest fantasies possible, feasible, generally worthwhile and not at all silly.

My dinosaurs will be glow in the dark for purely practical reasons.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ chiomara

he is awfully difficult to kill in his sleep,

Some friends and I went to a course on forensic pathology. It was really interesting (that’s was before all those “CSI” programmes). One of the lecturers had been explaining how it could be nearly impossible to tell if someone had been murdered or just died of respiratory failure if they had gone to sleep drunk.

Later that night we were all sitting around in one of our rooms when one of our party had begun to snore annoyingly loudly and wouldn’t wake up.

Just for a moment our eyes all met; then there was a little shake of our heads. But for a few seconds…

(Anyway, I won’t say what the trick is, I don’t want to give anyone any ideas!)

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Rant mode on.

To me the difference between pedophilia and ephebephilia is nothing but a technicality. When people start putting energy into making sure that you’re not so mean as to call someone who preys on teenagers a pedophile, I get real suspicious. For me, street harassment was at its absolute height when I was a teenager. And I was not one of those teens that could pass as an adult if you really tried and deluded yourself. Then there was the deluge of messages I got when I created an old school pictureless AOL profile back in the mid nineties. It didn’t have much info besides “15F” but that was enough to pique a lot of interest. This sudden interest from adult men never felt anything but creepy and predatory. Street harassment decreased by probably about half when I was a college sophomore. That was the year the baby fat dropped off my cheeks and I started looking more woman than girl. Any adult who goes after teens is a fucking predator to me. A few secondary sex characteristics does not make one an adult. Kids who have started puberty are still kids and no amount of technicalities, evopsych or misunderstanding and rewriting of medieval European history is going to change that.

Okay. Rant mode off.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
3 years ago

re: Milo’s attempt at distinction

I concur with PoM: there’s a difference, but both are Bad Things. It might be easier to kill a 6-year-old than a 14-year-old, but doing so to either makes you a murderer all the same.

@wwth

I’ve never been harassed by adults–only my peers, and even then that was very rare. Then again, it might have to do with me never going outside very often to be exposed to that sort of person (or many people outside of my family or my school at all). Mom kept a tight leash on me.

And now for some drabble.

I really don’t know what you’re gaining from trying to put everyone down
At least those of us who are all in accord that a Cheeto shouldn’t wear a crown
With the shade of hate and chaos and fascism and certain death loomin’
Tell me why, when we try to make the point that we need equal rights, you paint us as something that’s anything but human?

(Conceived as the delivery being rap. Take that as you will.)

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@Alan
WTF? I don’t care how brief it was, how is your annoyance a reason to consider ending someone’s life?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ kupo

Oh he was never in any real danger. It was just that momentary thing about the irony of the lecture. Had a similar thing once when we were left unattended in a room with 10 kilos of cocaine. For a fleeting second we all just knew what each other was thinking, but we wouldn’t have gone through with it.

Hambeast (fan of diversity)
Hambeast (fan of diversity)
3 years ago

I’ve been on a bit of an emotional roller coaster the last week. Upshot is that Catbeast is home on palliative care after three consecutive days of vet visits.

Reading yesterday of Axe and Dali’s relationship did so much for my dour mood! I must have missed the original announcement somehow, congratulations! This place is the absolute best!!

re: Milo being recruited at the White House, I don’t think that the likelihood of this happening is terribly high since he’s both British and moderately high-profile. Not that it would be impossible, but most likely more trouble than it’s worth. He’s not even that useful as a ‘consultant’ since his main-stream media presence is being diminished. (This administration seems to favor high-profile advisors who can get on news shows or have their own shows.)

Finally, I hope you feel better soon, David, and that maybe someone can make you some of the yummy soup recipes posted here. I’d come over and do it but you live too far away.

I think I might make some of the Korean chicken soup and freeze (at least some of) it for future illness.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

I’ll note briefly that the distinction between attraction to a pre-pubescent child vs tweener and teenager only makes sense when it is viewed from the perspective of the perpetrator. What is the motive of the person who wants to fuck a child? That’s the question that is asked in order to draw this line.

From the perspective of a child, there is no real difference. Both types of abuse are equivalently abusive. That different words exist tells us that we are looking at this from the perpetrator’s viewpoint, not the victim’s, and that’s fucked up.

Typical, but no less fucked up for that.

So Milo’s explanation that his own abuse was X instead of Y still is coming from a place of the perp’s viewpoint. That’s why I don’t buy it, and I think why a lot of people aren’t buying it.

Hambeast (fan of diversity)
Hambeast (fan of diversity)
3 years ago

Oh, goodness! I forgot the reappearance of Chio! Your good news really helped to cheer me, too.

Welcome back, Chio! I’ve been wondering about you lately.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ hambeast

So sorry to hear about your kittybeast. Words always seem like platitudes at times like this; but for what it’s worth, thinking of you and your furry family member.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

I’m so sorry, Hambeast. My oldest cat is in a similar situation. As our vet says, “You get so dadgummed attached to them.”

BaronJenks
BaronJenks
3 years ago

Regarding rhinos, I’ve always thought it’s a shame they couldn’t be domesticated. The idea of rhino-mounted shock cavalry has always appealed to me – KNIGHTS riding RHINOS. The world would have been ruled from a magnificent golden palace in sub-Saharan Africa somewhere!

Ellesar
Ellesar
3 years ago

In my experience the sexual grooming/ exploitation/ abuse of young people is perpetrated by people who will go as young as they think they can get away with. Yes, a paedophile is exclusively attracted to pre-pubescent children – what is MUCH more common is the grey area, which morally has nothing to do with legal age as far as I am concerned. What it is about is the exploitation of a young persons lack of experience, deference to older people, naivety etc. It is also about ease of access to those young people – easier than children, that is.

I used to work on an LGBT helpline (10+ years), and I know quite a bit about the way older men will exploit young gay men/ boys. It is different to hetero men and girls/ young women because of homophobia. Often the relationship is framed as some kind of mentoring, and support in a homophobic world. Milo appears to be regurgitating this BS. This mostly appears to be insincere – it is simply a tactic for trust building and ultimately sexual access (often the man will appear to be very concerned about his mentee – maybe they do sometimes ‘care’, but there is a price to pay for support). It is also often access by more than one adult man – they really do appear to network for access to these victims.

A hetero equivalent would be the kind of man who ‘helps’ a girl who is experiencing a lot of problems with her parents and wants to get away. If she wants to leave he is only too happy to give her somewhere to stay, but with strings of course. I don’t think they usually involve other men unless they are actually grooming her for prostitution.

(BTW I never had a call from a woman describing this kind of behaviour from lesbians – not denying that lesbians do occasionally sexually abuse, but it seems really rare)

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

Waves to everyone, scoops up soup recipe 🙂

Dalillama, Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles
Dalillama, Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles
3 years ago

@Jesalin

I’m happy for the both of you!! I hope you have many many happy years together!.

Why thank you 🙂

@Chio
Oh yes, hubby got a new dog:
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(Image: A chihuahua seated human-style on a cushion)
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Image: A chihuahua in a colorful plaid sweater looks at the camera.

If you consider pedophilia sexual attraction by prepubecent bodies, a middle aged man “dating” a 16 yo most of the time isnt a pedophile.

Nah, just a creep.

No, guise, buy cameras, there are pretty cheap ones.

Camera, I have. Blasted thing just didn’t come with a mic, and my ancient desktop hasn’t an internal one. I keep meaning to pick one up, but other things have a more urgent call on my limited cash.

(and even center appears and center right, fascist sympathisers FFS)

The changes above explain why you shouldn’t bother looking to that lot for any help in the current difficulties.

i guess 12 years of center-left democratic government made their asses lazy because all i see them doing is discussing semantics, arguing about pop divas

What the actual fuck? The leftist groups I know of here are discussing things like how to avoid arrest/violent retribution after beating nazis, how to resist Immigration officials, that kinda thing.
“Its a pretty desperating situation, and I honestly no longer have the health or strength to be active in this shit show.”
Tell me about it.

@Hambeast

tI’ve been on a bit of an emotional roller coaster the last week. Upshot is that Catbeast is home on palliative care after three consecutive days of vet visits.

Oh, I’m sorry. Lots of hugs

must have missed the original announcement somehow, congratulations!

Thanks! We made it public in the new years open thread, IIRC.

Dalillama : Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles.
Dalillama : Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles.
3 years ago

Argh, damn autocomplete. Appears should be appeasers.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

Apropos of nothing really but Cressida Dick has today been appointed as commissioner of the metropolitan police. That means the three most senior police officers in the UK are all women, as is their immediate boss the home secretary, and her immediate boss the prime minister.

Despite this, the country doesn’t appear to have plunged into lawless anarchy yet; otherwise I’m sure the MGTOWS would have mentioned it.

numerobis
numerobis
3 years ago

Alan: I thought half your country was no-go zones? It must be true because I read it in the daily fox news.

Parse The Potatoes
Parse The Potatoes
3 years ago

On the (long-overdue) fall of Milo, I’m giving Republicans a week before they transition from “We love Milo!” to “Milo is proof that all gay men support pedophilia!” – and two weeks before they start denying that they ever held the first position to begin with.

Fabe
Fabe
3 years ago

WOW,was just browsing steam and came across a game called “Femnazi:the triggering” . I can’ teven…

Hambeast (fan of diversity)
Hambeast (fan of diversity)
3 years ago

Thanks for all the good wishes for the Catbeast. He’s resting comfortably, sleeping a lot (yes, even for a cat) and enjoys being waited on by yours truly. His very nice doctor called this morning to check up on him and his fave vet tech clipped his claws (at no charge!) yesterday. He’s being doted on in his dotage, you might say.

Victorious Parasol – There’s a reason some people call them “fur babies” I guess. Catbeast has always been more of a fuzzy old man, though. Oh, and a purrfect gentleman, too!

P.S. I’m still sqeeeeeeing about two (two!) romances right here on my favorite blog community!! Hee1!

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

@Chio

WOAH I’m late, but welcome back ! I am so, so glad about the progress your boyfriend is making, and the proposal. That ring sounds absolutely beautiful and now I wanna get married to whomever just so I can then fantasize about the rings.

You might know already but I was in a LDR for two years and a half, with a Californian who… well… let’s just say she had a lot in common with your boyfriend. Eventually she turned into an angry feminazi SJW, though. I guess it’s the kind of empathy, and potential for change, that only someone who loves you can see. Well anyway, there’s news on that front, and she’s a Milo fan now, as I discovered a week or so ago. Long story short : don’t let go of that boyfriend of yours, never know if he might not go back to being a dick if there’s no one pushing him to be good anymore.

Joke aside, I’m really happy for you and it’s good to see you back.

Hey, that thing when you cried in a museum ? That sounds awfully familiar, so I’ma follow this up along with my reply to Troubelle at the bottom ’cause song.

@SFHC

Hey, I know how to draw and dick and then turn it into a bird. I can show you if you want.

It’s the kind of skill you wish you’d had in junior high, when bullies draw dicks all over your shit. I learned it in high school, when my drunk best friend drew dicks all over my shit then turned them into birds.

“War. War… has changed.”

@Troubelle

(Conceived as the delivery being rap. Take that as you will.)

I err can’t figure it out for the life of me. Then again my own flow and the stuff I write might be too embedded for me to be able to make sense of anyone else’s rhymes without actually hearing them ? Plus I’m used to french rap, it’s kinda different I guess, example below. My experience of murican rap is pretty limited, ’cause I dunno where to find the good stuff. CYNE’s been good to me though. Any recomendations beyond that ?

So hey, here’s one example of french rap, just because. It ties in with what Chio said, about that experience of being overwhelmed and crying : I’ve had it happen to me before, I believe that’s what they call Stendhal’s syndrom, which is mentioned in this song. Yeah, sure, I actually just wanted an excuse to post it, but you and Chio gave me two, so there.

For the record, VII is kind of atypical as far as french rap goes. Okay, like extremely atypical. So it’s really just a good example for the delivery. For anyone who understands french : be warned if you follow up on other songs, because some of them are… well, I’m not sure how to put it. In his early days he had a thing going on like a third of his stuff, with a horror theme, like writing songs in the first person about extremely gruesome serial killers, that sorta stuff. I mean I had to make a SFW playlist and weed out “those” songs, ’cause I only know a few people who can stomach them and to be fair I have a hard time at it as well. So yeah, be warned if you understand french.

The whole “Eloge de l’Ombre” album (2015) is entirely safe – it’s mostly political, or touches on subjects like depression and alienation (and ties those in with the politics). Yes, the title does come from that old essay about compared aesthetics between japanese and western cultures. Dude’s a nerd. Picked for Best Album Of 2015 by my old pre-school teacher and my mother.

LindsayIrene
3 years ago

Trump administration rolls back protections for transgender students

Wonder if former Trump campaign prop Caitlyn Jenner will have anything to say about this.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
3 years ago

On ephebophilia… I want to say that my ex, I don’t think he was attracted to young people except of course when he was in that age group himself. Of all the things that are wrong with him, I never suspected that.

But he talked about ephebophilia a lot and made the distinction in a defensive kind of way. I thought it was weird. I thought it was creepy. What I didn’t realise about it was that it was part of the alt-right radicalisation dogma. I don’t know if Milo really believes what he was saying. He’s certainly repugnant enough in so many other ways that I wouldn’t put it past him.

What Milo was doing was part of their code. Where he crossed their line was in equating what creepy men who happen to skeeve on boys to creepy men who happen to skeeve on teenage girls. It’s right to equate them. They’re equally repulsive, they’re equally hurtful. Responsible adults don’t prey on teens sexually. Period. End of story. Does the fact that unpicking it and thinking really they’re mainly upset about the men creeping on boys is why he’s in so much trouble bother me? A little because I think DJT (and others like him) should be in just as much trouble for skeeving on young girls. But fuck Milo. Fuck anyone who defends that.

I wish there was more common knowledge about the alt-right radicalisation and the code words like ephebophilia that are part of it. I don’t know if it would have made me wise up any sooner with my ex. For sure, I should have got rid of him a long time ago because of how he treated me – I mean that was enough reason. But it would have made it a lot easier to justify. It would still make it a lot easier to justify. And I wish more people knew that those who are alt-right radicalised make the lives of those around them a living hell, too.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
3 years ago

@Sinkable John

I will admit my plate is somewhat limited (wish I actually knew enough French to understand what you linked us to), but a fellow on YouTube by the alias of NoneLikeJoshua plugged me into what could be done. Think of it as a “breakdown”–incredibly rapid, and requiring precise articulation (as well as breaking the meter in the last line).

Jesalin
Jesalin
3 years ago

Trump administration rolls back protections for transgender students

Wonder if former Trump campaign prop Caitlyn Jenner will have anything to say about this.

I doubt it, she can afford all the rights she needs.

Dalillama : Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles.
Dalillama : Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles.
3 years ago

@SinkableJohn

m not sure how to put it. In his early days he had a thing going on like a third of his stuff, with a horror theme,

Given that the track you posted appears to be named after an HP Lovecraft story, I’m not surprised.

PaganReader
3 years ago

His raging narcissism, and his addiction to controversy, would make him a dangerous addition to the team.

So, Milo would basically be/is basically a little Trump.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

@Troubelle

Woah, aight, can’t even begin to start figuring it then. I really, really struggle just to understand words with, like, regular american pacing, ’cause so damn fast. I mean you guys speak fast to begin with, but you rap a lot faster. Like, this guy‘s considered relatively slow ? I can’t even.

@Dali

Yup, that’s the one, though that song is not really about anything Lovecraft besides said rats in said walls. He’s made several songs much more closely related but believe it or not, I’d count them among the “milder” stuff. Like, “Quest for Kadath” more than “Innsmouth”. Though then again there’s also this one, which completely nails it, no pun intended. Influences also include Poe, Baudelaire, Césaire.

The real nasty stuff is more in the lines of putting a funk beat to Richard Chase’s story, recounted in the first person. Or stuff that I won’t even try to describe ’cause it genuinely makes me wanna puke (yeah, it is the whole point, but still).

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

Damn you, edit window.

@Troubelle

Re: NoneLikeJoshua. Okay, I guess I have to admit that the Samurai Champloo one is kinda redundant given the original soundtrack, but still, it was totally necessary.

Incidentally, a lot of said soundtrack is by the same Nujabes as that song I posted. Also, it’s friggin awesome. If you haven’t watched Samurai Champloo, you need to do it.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@John

My experience of murican rap is pretty limited, ’cause I dunno where to find the good stuff. CYNE’s been good to me though. Any recomendations beyond that ?

CW: gangsta rap

Tech N9ne is known for 3 things: unique musicality, high speed, and ubiquitous collabs. He isn’t for everyone, but, if you dig these…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abf7TueHs1k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHt2uS6XpIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ZwpC5VSBw
🙂

Chiomara
Chiomara
3 years ago

@ Dali
Damn, thats a doggo with style!

Yes, it looks for me youre much better organized there than here.

@Sinkable John

Oh, thats interesting to know, i didnt know it had a name. Interesting that the song about it is a french rap too, because when i was in France I could not stop being baffled. I never thought id like french rap. Thank you!

@Rugby

Yep, yep! My fiance was alike.

He didnt have a thing for teens, he actually always preferred people his age or (sometimes MUCH) older (even when he was a teen)but didnt see anything wrong in liking them either. I kept telling him to stay away from people much younger, even if older than 18, because their minds arent ready, etc. He simply rolled his eyes and kept saying it wasnt wrong and wasnt abusive, that he was with women older than his mim and turned out fine (imho, he didnt). Not even to defend himself and his preferences, but to defend his own abusers (Stockholm?) and make a political point.

It took him some real life experience (and some self awareness of his own past) that feminists dont say this just because they are moralistic killjoys. Só yes, i agree, this ephebophilia talk is a major redflag that the person is burying theirselves into alt right crap.

Dalillama : Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles.
Dalillama : Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles.
3 years ago

@Chio

Damn, thats a doggo with style

Hubby makes all his sweaters. He always likes compliments on them.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
3 years ago

@Sinkable John

The speed doesn’t come naturally to me, but if someone out there can do it and do it well…just make sure I get a fair cut of the royalties.

Karalora
3 years ago

I just wanted to jump in here to give an after-action report of Congressman Tony Cardenas’s townhall meeting, which was held yesterday evening.

I was already pretty warmly disposed to him for a) being a Democrat, b) scheduling a townhall meeting without anyone having to twist his arm, and c) scheduling it for 6:30 p.m. on a weekday so that people with regular jobs could actually make it. I didn’t have a ride, so I rode my bicycle six and a half miles to the meeting site. Uphill. In the rain. During rush hour. (Go me?)

I’d never been to one of these and had no basis for comparison, but I think it went well. It was well-organized, for sure. Rep. Cardenas came across really well; I would definitely put him on the “genuine” side of the politician bell-curve. The main topic of conversation was the ACA, and much to the credit of Rep. Cardenas and his staffers, the very first (pre-screened!) question he took was from a young woman who actually found that her healthcare options shrank after the measure was passed. That is, he made sure to address the concerns of someone on the other side of the issue. There were moments where he seemed to be phrasing his answers in the framework of his talking points, but that’s par for the course with politicians and his demeanor was overall a caring and sincere one. I’m glad to have someone like him in my corner.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
3 years ago

@Sinkable John

Are you interested in rap the way it was in the 90s or the way it is now?

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
3 years ago

As for American rap, Loaded Lux did this one with Method Man and Redman from Wu-tang Clan, it’s only found as a youtube video tho

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
3 years ago

If we’re talking 90s style hip hop, which still lives on to some extent, I would have to mention Wu-Tang and Company Flow, as well as Talib Kweli/Mos Def/Black Star/Reflection Eternal. There were others, of course, but those were the most important ones to me.

@msexceptiontotherule

Nitpicky, but I can’t let it go unsaid that Redman wasn’t a Wu-Tang member. :p

Hu's On First
Hu's On First
3 years ago

In case anyone’s interested, I wrote a song parody about Milo:

http://www.amiright.com/parody/2010s/lumineers0.shtml

Falconer
Falconer
3 years ago

Stop me if you’ve heard this one.

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Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago

But Falconer! It’s the Next Big Thing! The Amazons told me so!

(what is with this trend of treating young adult novels like they’re amazing pillars of modern literature? They’re written as a bridge between children’s books and actual novels!)

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Falconer
Shy, teenage (white) girl full of moxie finds she’s special in not being limited to the social dynamics her world forces on everyone (Mom! Dad! Ugh!). But with gender this time… Uh huh…

Ignoring the premise, cos it’s just too much, the hackery at play boggles. Patrus and Matrus. That’s not how countries are named. Like ever. And nobody read Matrus and thought ‘so, the men get a country, but the women get a four poster queen?’ Fuck, at least E L James was clever enough to drop her original template setting with 50 Shades. This is just Hunger Games. Without the interesting Games bit. So, just the last book. And it’s called Gender Game! The fuck!? If she cleans up the river at the end of the book/series, so help me…

YA fiction fans: is anything that’s come out in the last decade or so worth a shit? Harry Potter, Unfortunate Events, Ender’s Game, the Giver, bona fide classics. Does any of the newer stuff warrant a look outside of the ever churning movie franchises?

LindsayIrene
3 years ago

The Mortal Engines series by Philip Reeve is pretty good. Ambulatory predator cities.

Falconer
Falconer
3 years ago

There was an old troll back when this site was still Manboobz who wanted to divide the US down the Mississippi river and put all the men on one side and all the women on the other.

I can’t for the life of me remember his nym tho.

Anyway, we’re now flat-out mining the MGTOWs for plots.

space garbage
space garbage
3 years ago

Sorry for coming back to Milo, but I just gotta plug this:

On the Milo Bus With the Lost Boys of America’s New Right, by Laurie Penny

https://psmag.com/on-the-milo-bus-with-the-lost-boys-of-americas-new-right-629a77e87986

If any of you haven’t seen this yet, I strongly recommend giving it a read.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Lindsay

Ambulatory predator cities

3 words, and sold!

@Falconer
Straight up the Mississippi or along the Missouri? And do you remember who got which side?

Also, y’all remember the fairly recent thread in which discussion veered into a future water world in which various sexual/romantic minorities controlled their own (sometimes floating) islands? That was cool, someone should write that book!