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Trump voters: As whiny and self-pitying as Men’s Rights Activists?

Right back atcha, you pieces of crap

Anyone wbo has read this blog for any length of time is well aware how adept Men’s Rights Activists are at convincing themselves (if not necessarily anyone else) that they are the true victims in any given situation.

Indeed, writer and workshopper Warren Farrell, whose books have provided much of the intellectual underpinning of MRA ideology, has argued in complete seriousness that men are victimized by women’s butts. A shapely posterior, you see, has such a hypnotizing power over your typical horny man that young women have what he once called “miniskirt power” over their male bosses at work.

An article in today’s New York Times suggests that many Trump voters are equally adept at painting themselves as the victims — in their case not of butts but of liberal meanies.

It’s an absolute must read. Not because it’s a good article — it’s terrible — but because it is so revealing, not only about Trump voters but also about the strange reluctance of so many in the supposedly liberal press to hold Trump voters accountable for anything they say or do. Indeed, the basic thesis of the piece — titled “Are Liberals Helping Trump?” — is that liberals are being so mean to Trump voters that they’re pushing them even further into Trumpland.

The piece starts with a brief portrait of Jeffrey Medford, a South Carolinian who voted “reluctantly” for the most dangerous man to ever occupy the Oval Office. Trouble is, when he brings this up in any venue also frequented by liberals, they’re like all mean to him.

Mr. Medford should be a natural ally for liberals trying to convince the country that Mr. Trump was a bad choice. But it is not working out that way. Every time Mr. Medford dips into the political debate — either with strangers on Facebook or friends in New York and Los Angeles — he comes away feeling battered by contempt and an attitude of moral superiority.

“We’re backed into a corner,” said Mr. Medford, 46, whose business teaches people to be filmmakers. “There are at least some things about Trump I find to be defensible. But they are saying: ‘Agree with us 100 percent or you are morally bankrupt. You’re an idiot if you support any part of Trump.’ ”

He added: “I didn’t choose a side. They put me on one.”

Uh, dude, you put yourself on the side of an unstable, authoritarian bigot by voting for him. If you didn’t know what you were getting when you voted for him, then you weren’t paying attention. Trump started out his campaign with an explicitly racist attack on Mexican immigrants, and it pretty much went downhill from there. During his campaign, he revealed himself to be a bully and a chronic liar with no understanding of the job he felt he deserved, a man morally and practically unfit to be president.

And now Trump is making good, or at least trying to, on his terrible promises. His only redeeming feature is that he is so ignorant and inept that he’s fucking it up.

Oh, and did I mention that he’s hellbent on taking away the insurance I and literally millions of other Americans depend on for necessary treatment for the chronic health issues that insurance companies like to call “ongoing conditions?”

So, yeah, some of us are a bit testy.

The article’s author, Sabrina Tavernise, sets forth a thesis that more or less mirrors Medford’s self-pitying “argument.”

Liberals may feel energized by a surge in political activism, and a unified stance against a president they see as irresponsible and even dangerous. But that momentum is provoking an equal and opposite reaction on the right.

“Provoking.” I don’t want to sound, you know, mean here, but this is the logic abusers use to blame their victims for their own abusive meltdowns. It’s a kind of argument that seems to come naturally to MRAs, Trump supporters, and Trump-supporter enablers.

In recent interviews, conservative voters said they felt assaulted by what they said was a kind of moral Bolshevism — the belief that the liberal vision for the country was the only right one. 

Assaulted? You know who else feels assaulted? The longtime residents of this country who have been arrested and deported by ICE, including one woman picked up at a courthouse after she complained of domestic abuse. The Muslims held for hours in airports as a result of Trump’s profoundly un-American executive order.

Is it “self-righteous” for those opposed to Trump to point out the actual effects of his bigoted policies?

Protests and righteous indignation on social media and in Hollywood may seem to liberals to be about policy and persuasion. But moderate conservatives say they are having the opposite effect, chipping away at their middle ground and pushing them closer to Mr. Trump.

Again, it’s the logic of an abuser: “You made me hit you!”

“The name calling from the left is crazy,” said Bryce Youngquist, 34, who works in sales for a tech start-up in Mountain View, Calif., a liberal enclave where admitting you voted for Mr. Trump is a little like saying in the 1950s that you were gay.

First, it’s not “a little like” that at all. Second, are you seriously complaining that the left is … calling you names?

I mean, you do remember all of this, don’t you?

I feel just terrible for these people.

Mr. Younquist wasn’t quite so open about his Trump support.

“The only place he felt comfortable wearing his Make America Great Again hat,” Tavernise informs us,

was on a vacation in China. Even dating became difficult. Many people on Tinder have a warning on their profile: “Trump supporters swipe left” — meaning, get lost.

POOR BABY

“They were making me want to support him more with how irrational they were being,” Mr. Youngquist said.

I hate to tell you this, Mr. STEMLOGIC, but that’s not a very rational response at all.

Tavernise weighs in again with her equally stupid opinion. Which is pretty much the same opinion as all the Trump supporters she interviewed.

[I]f political action is meant to persuade people that Mr. Trump is bad for the country, then people on the fence would seem a logical place to start. Yet many seemingly persuadable conservatives say that liberals are burning bridges rather than building them.

How “persuadable” is someone who gets so mad that some women don’t want to date guys they violently disagree with politically that he decides he’s just going to SUPPORT TRUMP EVEN HARDER SO THERE TAKE THAT!!!1!!

But no Trump supporter may have suffered more for her beliefs than Ann O’Connell, a “retired administrative assistant in Syracuse who voted for Mr. Trump” despite being a registered Democrat. (She apparently liked Trump’s promise to build a big old wall to protect her from all the evil Mexicans who are creeping over our southern border and then I guess for some reason creeping all the way up to Syracuse, NY, not far from the Canadian border, where the percentage of Hispanics is far below the national average and which is actually a really terrible place to look for jobs right now.)

Anyway, Ms. O’Connell has suffered mightily for her beliefs. For she can no longer enjoy Meryl Streep movies! You know, because that mean actress lady gave that speech about how shitty it is to mock disabled people.

Mrs. O’Connell feels hopeless. She has deleted all her news feeds on Facebook and she tries to watch less TV. But politics keeps seeping in.

“I love Meryl Streep, but you know, she robbed me of that wonderful feeling when I go to the movies to be entertained,” she said.

BOO HOO HOO

Here’s my question: is it possible that these Trump supporters are feeling so defensive about their vote for president because on some level they know what they did was indefensible?

Or am I just being mean for even asking that question?

H/T — @ParkerMolloy, who posted a couple of the pics I used on Twitter.

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

Bit more on Milo “technically that’s not paedophilia” Yiannopoulos:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/20/milo-yiannopoulos-denies-supporting-paedophilia-cpac-online-video

LindsayIrene
7 years ago

@ Alan

I wonder if Simon and Schuster is regretting taking on Milo’s memoirs.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

@ lindsayirene

Officially the book has been delayed so that it can contain updated material about ‘the protests'(?). It wouldn’t surprise me though if it just shuffled off to a quiet death somewhere down the line.

Moggie
Moggie
7 years ago

Arctic Ape:

Not to be confused with “extreme wetting”, a soon to be euphemism for water torture.

Alternative Hydration.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I also don’t see any effort on the right to win over Hillary voters to their side.

Good point.

In 2008, Obama won by the biggest margin in a long time, earned the popular vote by a significant amount and entered the White House would good popularity ratings. The Republican party responded by getting together at a steak house and plotting to obstruct absolutely everything he did. Yet, Obama was expected to reach across the aisle. To avoid talking about race or anything else to controversial because that might be divisive and by using hope and change as a campaign slogan, it was his responsibility to heal the country and make everyone get along. No matter how big the Republican tantrums were. No matter how many racist things they said about him and/or his family.

Fast forward to 2016 and we have Trump losing the popular vote but winning because of our fucked up electoral college and entering the White House as the least popular incoming president since they started keeping track of these things. He says divisive things constantly and has made zero effort to heal the nation after a rough election. He has made no pretense that he’s all of our president. He’s proud to exclude anyone who doesn’t kiss these

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Somehow, it doesn’t matter who wins or loses. Whatever the result, it is always the job of the liberal side to be nice and inclusive. It’s never ever the job of the conservative side to do it. If that’s not a sign that the GOP is the party for privileged and of the privileged, I don’t know what it is. The behavioral expectations of both sides remind me of how privileged vs marginalized groups are treated. Women are expected to do emotional labor, men get to be immature kids. White people are to be served, people of color are supposed to be the maids and janitors and caretakers. Etc.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

For Mammotheers who can access the BBC Parliament channel the debate about whether Trump should be accorded an official state visit has just started and they’re broadcasting it live.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
7 years ago

wwth:

Not just racist, but sexist and homophobic – remember the anti-Obama screeds insisting that he’s a gay man and Michelle is a transwoman who was born as Michael? And that Sasha and Malia are adopted? Or possibly kidnapped?

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
7 years ago

@personalpest + Croquembouche + Buttercup
Loving the car analogies ?
Well, except… The Clinton bus was gonna take em to Atlanta. Have you seen the demographic makeup of Atlanta? It coulda been the safest, comfiest, best furnished bus with the world’s most well renowned and accomplished driver. Doesn’t matter. Our Mr Medford here doesn’t wanna go to Atlanta. The Trump lemon says ‘fuck that’ and offers to take him to Dahlonega instead (old, super white, gold mining town in the mountains… which just had protests against the KKK setting up shop downtown, smh)

Schnookums Von Fancypants, GloboThermoNuclearHomo
Schnookums Von Fancypants, GloboThermoNuclearHomo
7 years ago

To me this is even more insidious then just Trump voters unable to deal with their buyer’s remorse. One, it reinforces the idea that Democrats are somehow illegitimate, upstarts who need to convince people to be part of the system. That at best any Democratic officeholder is just keeping the seat warm for the Republican who will take their place. Two, its a demand not for “civility”, but rather that Democrats go back to their old losing ways. To call for “bipartisanship” which means “give concessions to Republicans and maybe they’ll play nice except whoops the last administration definitely put the lie to that.”

So sorry, but no. We reached across the aisle and all we got for that effort is some missing fingers.

Moggie
Moggie
7 years ago

So, that Sweden attack? Where Trump misinterpreted an Ami Horowitz segment on Fox News? Now two cops interviewed in the segment are saying that it was dishonestly edited to make their answers misleading.

”We don’t stand behind it. It shocked us. He has edited the answers. We were answering completely different questions in the interview. This is bad journalism.”

Anders Göranzon continues: ”It feels like hell. The real questions should be shown along with our answers. We don’t own the rights to the film, but the end result is that we don’t want to talk to journalists after this. We can’t trust each other.”

Trump talks a lot about “fake news”, but don’t hold your breath for him to apply that label in this case.

personalpest
personalpest
7 years ago

@ Croquembouche of patriarchy and Buttercup Q. Skullpants: My sincere gratitude for not only responding to my post, but improving on and adding to my Pinto analogy. Much appreciated. Thanks!

Weird (Encouraged by the RESISTANCE!!!!) Eddie
Weird (Encouraged by the RESISTANCE!!!!) Eddie
7 years ago

trump’s entire campaign was an unbroken string of insults, invective and hatred directed at, well, at everybody (yeah, at cis-het W.A.S.P.s, too, ‘cept the insult directed at them was that they weren’t directing enough hatred at OTHERS)

I’ve gotten that shit from relatives crying that “the only group left that it’s ok to make fun of is meeeee. Geez, you spent the last several decades calling everyone who wasn’t a white man “everything but ‘a white man’ ” (to use an older slur), now, while I don’t think you should be mocked for your whiteness or for your maleness, you have PLENTY of other characteristics and behaviors which just BEG to be mocked. How lacking in awareness do you have to be to vote for a person who vows to destroy everyone in the world, and then you are butt-hurt when EVERYONE IN THE WORLD takes exception!?!?!?!?!

Reasonable response to trumpism….:

The reality is that you voted for Trump because you got conned. Trump is a grifter and the American people were the mark. Hey, it happens, and there’s no shame in being taken in by a pro. But now that you know the score, quit insisting the conman is on your side.

Weird (Encouraged by the RESISTANCE!!!!) Eddie
Weird (Encouraged by the RESISTANCE!!!!) Eddie
7 years ago

@ Moggie

trump is talking about “what happened in Sweden LAST NIGHT”, then says he was referring to a two-month old propaganda film?!??

Dalillama, Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles
Dalillama, Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles
7 years ago

@Weird Eddie

The reality is that you voted for Trump because you got conned. Trump is a grifter and the American people were the mark. Hey, it happens, and there’s no shame in being taken in by a pro. But now that you know the score, quit insisting the conman is on your side.

The reality is that they didn’t get conned. They knew damn well what they were buying, and they celebrated it. Trump voters don’t get to claim they don’t know what they were voting for. He made no secret of what he meant to do and how.

Moggie
Moggie
7 years ago

Weird Eddie:

trump is talking about “what happened in Sweden LAST NIGHT”, then says he was referring to a two-month old propaganda film?!??

It doesn’t make sense, but such is the fractal nature of Trump bullshit.

JS
JS
7 years ago

Trump gets all the news he believes to be true, from Fox. I’m not surprised that leads to missing some important points of how the rest of the media actually works.

First lie Trump believes, that Fox is “Fair and Balanced”. It’s not unbiased, neither are any of the other media outlets. Interesting that he managed to get to 50 years+ business experience without quite understanding the difference between “bias” and “truth”. It’s possible for something to be biased in a direction you dislike, and still be true! Wow, what a concept.

Al Roderick
Al Roderick
7 years ago

In recent interviews, conservative voters said they felt assaulted by what they said was a kind of moral Bolshevism — the belief that the liberal vision for the country was the only right one.

Umm, this kind of gets glossed over, but, doesn’t everyone think the vision they hold for the country is the only right one? I don’t go out proclaiming a slate of beliefs with the private assumption that half of them are wrong, I put forth a complete vision of what I think the country should look like based on my moral principles (with some generous gaps of fill-in-the-blank for things that are genuinely nunma bidness). Does anyone go in demanding more than what they think is right?

Though it occurs to me that this is what democratic millionaire congressional and presidential candidates literally do, over-promise on a liberal vision of fairness and economic justice and then use the existence of republicans and “fair compromise” as an excuse to not do the things they never wanted to do at all.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

I see this shit ALL THE TIME in “ally” circles for various social justice groups too. Assholes who get pissy if you’re not “being nice to them” (AKA calling them out on their shit), and say that they won’t support you anymore because you were meeeeean.

I’ll tell these assholes what I tell those assholes: “If your support of me and mine relies on me constantly singing your praises, then you can fuck right off, because I have better things to do with my time than coddle a fair-weather ally who’s only here for cookies.”

If we “pushed people to Trump” by not being extra fucking nice to them, then they weren’t fucking far from voting for Trump anyways, and were very likely going to do it regardless of if liberals were tongue-bitingly nice to them. They just wanted an excuse.

Weird (Encouraged by the RESISTANCE!!!!) Eddie
Weird (Encouraged by the RESISTANCE!!!!) Eddie
7 years ago

They knew damn well what they were buying,

At very least a carefully cultivated ignorance of who this man really is… along with an attention span shorter than a trump sound-byte.

I know a couple of them… “he didn’t really say that” (translation! it wasn’t on Fox news)…

he’s going to bring jobs back from China, stop terrorism, rein in the government and restore sweetness and light to Middle Earth…

now they watch the news for the slightest hint of him actually doing anything, and any failure on his part is blamed on the paid assassins working for George Soros.

on second thought they didn’t get conned, they volunteered to be

Elizabeth Regina
Elizabeth Regina
7 years ago

Trump voters wanting Dems to “play nice” is exactly the same as the bully who flushes your head down the toilet blaming you when your dirty, wet hair drips on his new shoes.

Gaslighting, irrelevant bullshit.

dlouwe
dlouwe
7 years ago

In recent interviews, conservative voters said they felt assaulted by what they said was a kind of moral Bolshevism — the belief that the liberal vision for the country was the only right one.

Yeah, certainty in an opinion is awful. Damn all those liberals who think they’re right! I’m more interested in a lukewarm, half-assed liberalism that gives diametrically opposed viewpoints half marks just for showing up. That’ll definitely win some people over! /s

This is a pretty common theme throughout anti-progressive sentiment. See also: “the intolerant left”. They’re so fragile that they fall apart at someone else even thinking they’re wrong. They paint disagreement itself as fundamentally bad, because they can’t handle not being given the benefit of the doubt usually afforded by their privilege. They’re so used to being halfway correct by default that they can’t even imagine that they could be wholly wrong about anything. To be told that their position has zero merit is not acceptable; it’s unfair.

Laugher at Bigots, Mincing Betaboy

on second thought they didn’t get conned, they volunteered to be

What “temporarily embarrassed millionaire” wouldn’t, when told by the conman that he can and will “make America great again” so that the temporarily embarrassed millionaire can receive what he thinks is his birthright?

Hu's On First
Hu's On First
7 years ago

So when universities ban Milo, it’s “liberal censorship” that makes conservatives mad, but when CPAC bans him it’s completely different?

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
7 years ago

Well, to be fair, it probably was. 😉