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Don’t stop not-believin: Mike Cernovich reverse-Tinkerbells the Washington Post

Mike Cernovich: “If we collectively agreed that the words in WaPo were a lie, they would lose all power.”

You could almost forgive Mike Cernovich for believing, as he certainly seems to believe, that he can alter reality with his mind.

During the presidential campaign last year, Cernovich — the right-wing Trump superfan and self-proclaimed “mindset” expert — managed to convince himself, and a good number of voters, that Hillary Clinton was secretly suffering from some mystery ailment that left her perpetually close to death. When it turned out that she really was afflicted with pneumonia he wondered aloud if maybe, just maybe, she had caught it from a Tweet of his.

“What if we caused sick Hillary to have her coughing fit?” he wondered on his blog. “What if we manifested her health problems?”

These days, Cernovich seems to have lost a lot of his manifesting mojo, as this matched pair of headlines from his blog make abundantly clear.

Here’s the first, posted on Sunday:

General Flynn is In, WaPo is Out: A Letter to Liberals about Fake News FEBRUARY 12, 2017 BY MIKE CERNOVICH 64 COMMENTS The world must seem like a confusing place to tens of millions of my fellow Americans. Today you can’t understand why Trump has not fired

And the second, posted a day later, after the Flynn who was in became Flynn the has-been:

What General Flynn’s Resignation Means for America FEBRUARY 13, 2017 BY MIKE CERNOVICH 93 COMMENTS Tonight the fake news media landed a tactical nuke on America. The line has been broken, and the media now knows Trump is far more

Ouch!

So what had gone wrong? As Cernovich evidently sees it, Americans were insufficiently resolute in sacred duty of not believing the Washington Post.

Cernovich began his first post — the pre-resignation one — by mocking liberals who couldn’t understand why Flynn hadn’t yet been kicked to the curb.

“The world must seem like a confusing place to tens of millions of my fellow Americans,” Cernovich patronizingly declared. “Today you can’t understand why Trump has not fired General Flynn .. .”

The problem, he explained, was that these Americans think the stuff published in the Washington Post is true — even though, in a couple of recent cases, the Post got some things wrong!

Cernovich himself has concluded that since the Post got some stuff wrong, they are making up everything they say about Flynn. And everything else, for that matter.

“It’s not that I believe WaPo is biased or slants its coverage,” he wrote. “My sincerely held belief if that they make up stories and fabricate sources.”

Cernovich naturally offered no evidence to back up these beliefs of his, and neither of the problematic stories he cited earlier in his post involved “made-up stories” or imaginary sources. (In one case the Post gave a biased source more credibility than it perhaps deserved; in the other the reporter came to a false conclusion on a key point because they assumed something that turned out to not be true.)

Given how quickly the Flynn-who-was-in turned into a Flynn-on-the-outs, one might have expected Cernovich to show a little humility in his follow-up post, but in fact Cernovich showed none. Instead, he blamed Americans for believing the Washington Post too much.

Flynn’s resignation, he wrote, was a major victory for the Washington Post and the rest of what Cernovich sees as the “fake media” — the real enemy of Trump and all his footsoldiers.

“Tonight the fake news media landed a tactical nuke on America,” Cernovich declared, again offering no evidence of anything fake about it. While the forces of Trumpism had suffered “a major stategic defeat” that had cheered the “fake news media and so-called #TheResistance,” there was one thing true Americans could do to fight the media’s awful power.

They could simply stop believing it.

“Consider the source of the media’s power – it’s YOU,” Cernovich declared.

The media’s power is socially constructed. They do not have guns. They do not power of the purse. Their power comes from you.

When the media writes something negative on a candidate, you choose to believe it. You choose to act on that information. You have [sic] the people they tell you to hate, buy the products they tell you to consume, and vote for the candidates they endorse.

If we collectively agreed that the words in WaPo were a lie, they would lose all power.

It’s all a bit reminiscent of a story most of us will remember from our childhood. One involving a perpetual child named Peter and his little friend Tinkerbell, and a theater audience roused to clap to save the life of a fairy:

Her voice was so low that at first he could not make out what she said. Then he made it out. She was saying that she thought she could get well again if children believed in fairies.

Peter flung out his arms. There were no children there, and it was night time; but he addressed all who might be dreaming of the Neverland, and who were therefore nearer to him than you think: boys and girls in their nighties, and naked papooses in their baskets hung from trees.

“Do you believe?” he cried.

Tink sat up in bed almost briskly to listen to her fate.

Long story short: The audience claps, Tink lives, and gets a cultural trope named after her.

For better or worse, the real world doesn’t work the same way. Oh, sure, delusions have a shocking amount of power in politics. But the truth has a stubborn habit of reasserting itself, even if people like Mike Cernovich loudly denounce it as fake.

Trump managed to ride a wave of his own bullshit into office. But that wave is subsiding, and the truth is making itself heard again. That’s bad news for people like Flynn, and Cernovich, and (one can only hope) Trump.

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Judas Peckerwood
Judas Peckerwood
3 years ago

I forced out Flynn using the power of my mind. True fact!

JS
JS
3 years ago

I suspect someone’s already come up with this idea…
MGTOW = Man Going Their On Way. (Hmm… why not “His”?)

MWSGTOWA = Man Who Should Go Their Own Way Already.

Then again, I prefer not to label people with things they don’t want to be labeled as.

Conan the Librarian
Conan the Librarian
3 years ago

Is it not written that disbelief can move mountains? I believe I read it somewhere…

Let us believe then in the power of disbelief and go forth into the world singing our hymn:

Fake news! Fake news!
Anything contradicting
My sacred point of view
Fake news! Fake news!
Always contradicting
The things we know are true

Broadcast by the enemy
Trying to attack me
Trying to ensare you
With all their fake news

So make no mistake
All it’s got to take
Is to say “this news is fake!”
No need for debate

Fake news! Fake news! etc.

Diptych
Diptych
3 years ago

“Choose to disbelieve any news or information presented to you that conflicts with my political views”? Hoo boy, that’s… er… overt.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Sometimes it seems like right wingers just live in a completely different universe than the rest of us.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
3 years ago

@WWTH:

I’m going to have to label that fake news. But only in the sense that it’s not news.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Surely, we should all believe Cerno! I mean, clearly the man knows more about politics than those cuck writers at the WaPo! I mean, they only have “sources” and “journalism”, Cerno has his ALPHUA MAYUNLY MIND POWERS.

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What fucking reality have we come to where grown-fucking-adults are now sitting on the internet going “I don’t believe it, so it’s not real!”? This grown-ass man is telling his followers to not believe something because that will somehow make it not true? What the actual fuck? Does Trump read his fucking blog (I’m sure he doesn’t, because then Cervo would most likely be on Trump’s cabinet for his superior Trump-Ass-Kiss abilities)? Because this is some Trumpian bullshit here.

This is where science and fact go to die in the history books, I’m sure. Or at the very least, until I master necromancy.

Paulie D
3 years ago

@WWTH
They live in a universe where Game of Thrones is just a TV show, rather than the focus of one’s life.

BGHilton
3 years ago

I’m sure this guy would mock and laugh at people who bought ‘The Secret’. And yet… he bought ‘The Secret’.

Handsome :Punkle Stan: Jack

This is where science and fact go to die in the history books, I’m sure.

Dark Ages 2.0

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

It’s probably not really on topic but applying a tenuous Tinkerbell connection, has anyone else seen the rather wonderful “Peter Pan Goes Wrong”? Why that hasn’t won the play equivalent of the Oscar I’ll never know, it’s so funny.

Handsome :Punkle Stan: Jack

@Alan

The theater equivalent of the Oscars are the Tony Awards.

And that’s ‘cuz Hamilton probably.

Alex Stallwitz
Alex Stallwitz
3 years ago

I once read a story in a book when i was younger called Obsitinate Uncle Otis by Robert Arthur. It was about this guy who was struck by lightning and gained the power to unbelieve things out of existence. He would refuse to believe something existed, and it would vanish. Through a long series of events, he unbelieved himself out of existence. Cernovich seems to think he can do this, its kind of adorable he thinks he can influence the universe this way.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

@WWTH
They live in a universe where Game of Thrones is just a TV show, rather than the focus of one’s life.

Aww. My admirer is back. You missed me so much you had that you had to make a new sock just for that extreme reach of a neg?

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Happy Valentine’s day to you too!

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Alex Stallwitz,

He saw that Twilight Zone episode with the kid who wishes everyone into the corn and instead of being creeped out, he thought “new life goal!”

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PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

@PI,

I think it’s becoming more obvious every day that Trump doesn’t read. Period.

@David,

Is that a Dr. Seuss filter you ran Juicebro through?

Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention – Resident Cheeseburger Slut
If/when you master Necromancy, would you mind posting a series on “how to raise and control the dead”? I feel like I might need a few pointers.

@Paulie D.
Hi there paulie D.
Since you are here with us all
Happy Valentine’s Day!

@PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
Even Dr. Seuss cannot make that person whimsical and cheery.

@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
It’s A Good Life, one of the darker Twilight Zone episodes where a child with godlike powers terrorized a small Ohio town. In many ways it is an allegory for tyrannical governments as supplies dwindle and the citizens who lost the courage to stand against people more powerful than them are doomed to a terrible fate.

Fortunately we do not live in the Twilight Zone, where we are forced to resign to a terrible fate because we lack the courage to go against seemingly insurmountable forces. A single stone can shatter the illusion of invincibility, and from what we’ve seen, there a quite a few people with quite a hefty haul of stones.

Handsome :Punkle Stan: Jack

They live in a universe where Game of Thrones is just a TV show, rather than the focus of one’s life.

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Anne Lewis, Jib Creatr
Anne Lewis, Jib Creatr
3 years ago

Well, if people can wish things into and out of existence…
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/c/c8/AA_Miles_Edgeworth_Court_Smirking_1.gif

…TIME TO STOP BELIEVING IN THE EXISTENCE OF DONALD TRUMP.

OT but related to the GIF: I recently played Ace Attorney for the first time, and Miles Edgeworth makes the best faces.

tim gueguen
3 years ago

Cernowich is in a way doing an inversion of the New Age idea that you can create your own reality by how you think and so on. He figures if he and his fellow fools believe strongly enough they can uncreate the current order.

JS
JS
3 years ago

Peter Pan Goes Wrong hasn’t shown up on Broadway yet, so not eligible for the Tony’s. It’s a location-specific award, requiring opening on Broadway by a particular cut-off date each year to be eligible.

However, next year, Hamilton won’t be eligible. JJ Abrams is helping get them to Broadway, but I suspect that may hinder their ability to get a Tony. “He does Movies, and TV! Ick!” – Generic Tony Committee Member.

Those other cities might as well not exist as far as the Tony’s are concerned.

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

“Damning” never sounded so good!

Donald Trump
Damning reports emerge of Trump campaign’s frequent talks with Russian intelligence

Campaign aides said to have been in regular contact, despite repeated insistence there had been no pre-election talks between Trump team and Russia

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/14/donald-trump-campaign-russia-intelligence-contact

PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

“Damning” never sounded so good!

Yep. Good.

“But…but her emails!”

KMA.

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

The media’s power is socially constructed. They do not have guns. They do not power of the purse. Their power comes from you.

I have no doubt that Mike Cernovich sincerely believed that the preceding contained not one typo.

But I live in the reality-based world, in which the importance of testing your assumptions (in this case, proofreading) is acknowledged.

Handsome :Punkle Stan: Jack

However, next year, Hamilton won’t be eligible. JJ Abrams is helping get them to Broadway, but I suspect that may hinder their ability to get a Tony. “He does Movies, and TV! Ick!” – Generic Tony Committee Member.

Hamilton won 11 Tonys.

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

@PeeVee
Benghazi!

Also, my own particular favorite:
Hillary allowed Bill to cheat! (So undignified!)

Laugher at Bigots, Mincing Betaboy

@Kat re Juicebro’s grammar:

“Sum vir virilis ergo sum supra grammaticam”

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

@ooglyboggles

Fortunately we do not live in the Twilight Zone, where we are forced to resign to a terrible fate because we lack the courage to go against seemingly insurmountable forces. A single stone can shatter the illusion of invincibility, and from what we’ve seen, there a quite a few people with quite a hefty haul of stones.

Yes!

This conviction has been my mantra for a long time now. Sometimes I lose faith in it . . . but just for a short time.

I only have to look at history to verify its truth: colonies have won their freedom, women and blacks have won the right to vote, and husbands can no longer (legally) beat or rape their wives. Of course, we still have a long way to go. Nonetheless, we are not condemned to a terrible fate — not if we resist/persist!

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

@Laugher at Bigots
Google Translate says this:

I am a man, therefore I am above grammar.

Yeah, whatever Cernovich can’t do he’s above doing.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Diptych:

“Choose to disbelieve any news or information presented to you that conflicts with my political views”? Hoo boy, that’s… er… overt.

#notacult

Laugher at Bigots, Mincing Betaboy

@Kat:

Google Translate missed “vir virilis”, which means “manly man”.

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

@Laugher at Bigots
Google Translate & I stand corrected.

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

Donald Trump
Opinion
The first 25 days of Trump have been a zoetrope of galloping despair
Lindy West

In the post-Obama United States, there are simply too many emergencies to hold all of them in your mind at once

Today, during my morning routine of opening my laptop, clicking on literally anything, and just screaming and screaming, I made the astonishing discovery that Donald Trump has only been president of the United States for about three weeks.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/14/first-25-days-trump-despair-united-states

WTF?!

OMG, she’s right about the time line. And about everything, really — except her totally negative characterization of house flies.

Wikipedia:

Potential in waste management

The ability of housefly larvae to feed and develop in a wide range of decaying organic matter is important for recycling of nutrients in nature. Research suggests that this adaptation may be exploited to combat ever-increasing amounts of waste. Housefly larvae can be mass-reared in a controlled manner in animal manure, thus reducing the bulk of waste and minimizing environmental risks of its disposal.

Ray of Rays
Ray of Rays
3 years ago

Nonbelief can make things go away? Hot dog! I’ll try it now!

*tries*

…nope, the White House is still run by Nephandi pretending they’re the Technocracy. The Consensus has failed me.

FunnyVoice
FunnyVoice
3 years ago

Did anyone see that new VicBerger video where Mike Cernovich started taking Blue Pill suppliments? That’s pretty funny. He’s tried to mind-force all this nonsense, not surprising he tries to go this higher.

ChimericMind
ChimericMind
3 years ago

Ray of Rays
February 15, 2017 at 2:00 am
Nonbelief can make things go away? Hot dog! I’ll try it now!

*tries*

…nope, the White House is still run by Nephandi pretending they’re the Technocracy. The Consensus has failed me.

Long-time lurker, but I just had to give a standing ovation to the reference, and its bizarrely surprising relevance to the discussion.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

Ray of Rays : don’t sully the names of Nephandi. They do know what they do, and do it efficiently.

EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)

Now I want to play Mage: the Ascension again so badly. Sigh.

Carolyn
Carolyn
3 years ago

When the media writes something negative on a candidate, you choose to believe it. You choose to act on that information.

Umm, candidate? Trump won. He’s not a candidate anymore. Are these guys so focused on ignoring consequences that they don’t even acknowledge that the election results were real? Or are they just, ya know, kinda dumb?

sliami
sliami
3 years ago

what is it with rich white guys and the god complexes?

seriously, you think you have magical internet powers… and you’re going to use them on a newspaper.

Viscaria, product of 20,000 evolution
Viscaria, product of 20,000 evolution
3 years ago

@Handsome Jack

However, next year, Hamilton won’t be eligible. JJ Abrams is helping get them to Broadway, but I suspect that may hinder their ability to get a Tony. “He does Movies, and TV! Ick!” – Generic Tony Committee Member.

Hamilton won 11 Tonys.

Forgive me, it’s early here and I haven’t been getting a lot of sleep. I don’t understand what the implication of your statement is. Would you mind explaining? It seems as if you’re refuting what JS has said, but as you’re talking about two different years, I don’t see how that could be the case.

On a related note, I finally broke down and got the Hamilton cast recording a couple of weeks ago, expecting it to be good, but not revelatory. It has now taken over my entire existence. I have not been so obsessed with a piece of art since I was a teenager. I didn’t think that could still happen to my adult brain, but apparently it can.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Carolyn:

Umm, candidate? Trump won. He’s not a candidate anymore. Are these guys so focused on ignoring consequences that they don’t even acknowledge that the election results were real? Or are they just, ya know, kinda dumb?

There have been times since November when I’ve wondered whether vocal Trump supporters – and Trump himself – just enjoyed the campaign so much that they’re subconsciously still living it. After all, chanting “lock her up” and “build the wall” is more fun than the exhausting reality of leadership.

Yamara
3 years ago

@EJ

Now I want to play Mage: the Ascension again so badly. Sigh.

I know what you mean. And never thought I’d see those words written.

Me, I’d go 1st Edition AD&D.

“I DISBELIEVE!”

…Nope. Still sitting around a table littered with dice, tiny figures and spilled Mountain Dew.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

The Mage of WoD 2 is one of thoses rare case where the new world of Darkness did it better than the first. But I still have fond memory of Mage : The Ascension. Especially because my GM often showed the technocrats, nephandi, and marauders (sp ? I played in french) as actual human being with goals and conviction, and not just as the opponent or as punching balls.

Nobody Special
Nobody Special
3 years ago

I suppose ‘In like Flynn’ is now fake news?

Newt
Newt
3 years ago

Me, I’d go 1st Edition AD&D.

“I DISBELIEVE!”

Chaos: The Battle of Wizards for me. Unfortunately, it applies to monsters, not events.

Falconer
Falconer
3 years ago

@Carolyn:

Umm, candidate? Trump won. He’s not a candidate anymore. Are these guys so focused on ignoring consequences that they don’t even acknowledge that the election results were real? Or are they just, ya know, kinda dumb?

Well, technically, Donald J. Trump is a candidate — for 2020. He filed about 5 hours after he was sworn in. There’s some question about whether that will affect non-profits in how they talk about him, but it seems to be settling out to “it won’t.”

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

@Carolyn None of them ever actually took a moment to think about the ramifications of being in charge. They’ve been told they’re the outsiders by their talking heads so long that the concept of actually being in charge of something is just totally alien to them.

On the Pro Left podcast, Driftglass brought up the example of Colonel Saito from The Bridge On The River Kwai and points out that Saito, like Trump and his underlings, are incompetent middle managers: when faced with a task, the only tools in their toolbox are force and bribery. The British have been defeated and are at his mercy, but now he has to build a bridge and doesn’t know thing one about doing it: he has no design, chooses a poor site and his workers are actively sabotaging it.

And in the face of resistance from his British prisoners, he says:

“I hate the British. You are defeated, but you have no shame. You are stubborn, but have no pride. You endure, but you have no courage.”

Because Saito knows his life depends on getting that bridge done. He holds the Geneva Conventions in contempt to the point that he slaps Colonel Nicholson across face with them because that’s the loser code, but his superior bushido code, the warrior’s code, demands he commit seppuku should he fail:

Saito: Do you know what will happen to me if the bridge is not built on time?
Nicholson: I haven’t the foggiest.
Saito: I’ll have to kill myself. What would you do if you were me?
Nicholson: I suppose if I were you, I’d have to kill myself. Cheers! [He drinks the glass of Scotch]

Remember, they’ve been told the government is the enemy since Reagan. They’re there as a wrecking crew, so when their fundamental incompetence is made plain, it makes them look bad in front of their political opponents, and that’s what riles them more than watching their bridge blow up or their country burn around them. That’s what my instincts are telling me as to why Flynn was let go, but time will tell.

Paradoxical Intention: Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Anne Lewis, Jib Creatr | February 14, 2017 at 9:48 pm
OT but related to the GIF: I recently played Ace Attorney for the first time, and Miles Edgeworth makes the best faces.

One of us, one of us, one of us, one of us…

Hey, Jackie, since we’re talking about how fictional leaders would be responding to Trumplethinskin, how do you think the Camarilla would handle this? (Or any VtM clan, for that matter)

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

Honestly, I think in Vampire the Giovanni would be behind Trump. They would benefit from the chaos he wrought and their tastes match the one of the Orange Agent.

Other options include that he is an anarch Brujah toy, or was supposed to be the tool of ventrues but Setites did a number on him. That being said, WoD is based on the idea that the average human is Trump, and that’s why things go bad quick.