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Impoverished Filipina prostitutes have it easy, MGTOW explains

Couldn’t have said it better myself

So today’s object lesson in obliviousness comes, as it so often does, from the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit.

The regulars there are discussing the important topic “Women are worse than a backyard full of cackling hens,” and one of the fellas pipes up with this, er, observation.

penisassociate 12 points 4 hours ago*  Whatever they do is pathetic. When they have it good, objectively speaking, they complain. When they have it really bad, objectively speaking, they get on their knees to suck cock. Go to third world countries and watch the women there. I was in the Philippines in a rather poor area. At every corner there was a woman looking for an easy way out. Grabbing at the cock. Trying to sell their pussy. My guide said these were not even prostitutes. Just women desperate for an easy way out. Being the MGTOW that I am, I made it a point to look around and sure enough at every place there was a man doing an honest day's work. I for instance overpaid a man in the thousands for some street food he was selling next to a whore of a woman who did nothing but try to sell her pussy. At no point do I ever think I've seen a woman do an honest day's work. It's just the diarrhea of the mouth and easy ways out.

MGTOW dudes, I don’t know if you know this, but men do sex work too. I recommend you take it up for a week and see how “easy” it is.

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JoeB
JoeB
3 years ago

Trying to sell their pussy. My guide said these were not even prostitutes. Just women desperate for an easy way out

I can’t think of a way this makes any sense at all. Assuming words mean loosely what they mean and nothing else I haven’t come up with possible logic behind that statement.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

1000PHP is 20USD. So, you hate women selling sex (which you purport not even to want) so much that, when you see it, you feel the need to find any random man in the vicinity doing any random, non sex work and give him $20? Get a hobby and Go Your Own Way. Just maybe not to Southeast Asia

Also, how is someone who engages in prostitution not a prostitute? Is sex work like a licensed profession over there? And why does he care whether they are or not? Would he have been OK with it if these women weren’t desperate? Cos that’s some iffy morality there

ETA: ninjad a bit by JoeB

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

@JoeB – I think he meant they were just “amateur” prostitutes, not professionals?

I mean…eeesh.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I don’t think they quite understand what the word desperate means either.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago

@Axe, Iffy Morality is the name of the MGTOW marketing firm, I think.

How clueless this guy is – he doesn’t realize that those women aren’t working because no one will hire them. Because they’re women. And they live in a sexist culture.

Zero empathy, completely adsorbed in themselves. Ridiculous.

Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

That title makes it seem like a satire. Like how do you live in a house, with a warm bed, a stable internet connection, a steady supply of food and drink and say that impoverished prostitutes in a third world country have it better than you?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

men do sex work too.

And women sell street food. I have falafel to prove it.

(Well, the tray it came in anyway)

personalpest
personalpest
3 years ago

Has Penis Associate (what a telling name!) asked himself why those Filipina women are so desperate? (Given the usual MGTOW lack of empathy, I’m guessing not.) It may have something to do with President Rodrigo Duterte being even more openly fascist than Trump or Putin. The guy has been killing drug users, and when his critics called him on it he said “Hitler massacred three million Jews. Now, there are 3 million drug addicts. … I’d be happy to slaughter them.”

Viscaria, product of 20,000 evolution
Viscaria, product of 20,000 evolution
3 years ago

I’m sorry; should all poor Filipina women be insurance agents? Is that your solution to crushing poverty? How many insurance agent positions do you believe are open in the Republic of the Philippines?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I love how when it’s an excuse to bash women, street vending is all of a sudden honest work. Usually these guys are the types who love Ayn Rand and bootstraps ideology. If people are poor, they should have better jobs than food service. The only acceptable reasons to be poor are “divorce rape” and “sperm jacking.”

I also thought MGTOW believed Asian women were better than western women because they perceive all Asian women are all submissive out of desperation for rich western men. I thought it was good that Asian women supposedly aren’t spoiled, entitled, and well fed like western women are.

They can never have any consistent beliefs besides women being bad, can they?

And why do so many of these guys have usernames related to penes, butts or poop? I never used to take Freudian theory very seriously. But looking at some of the things MGTOW do, I just don’t know any more.

Bina
3 years ago

For the thousand-millionth time reading one of their screeds, I wish to whatever gods there are that these guys would just GO already. Not to a Third World country (wouldn’t want to wish them on local women, who already have life hard enough if what this dolt says holds true, and he holds them in so much contempt for it). No…just to a desert island. Preferably with an active volcano, lots of poisonous insects and reptiles, and no internet. And no passing boats, either.

EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)

@Ooglyboggles:
Preach.

One of the recurring tropes of privileged people is the belief that poorer people somehow live a happier life. In the 18th century it was the Myth of the Noble Savage; in the 19th century there was the myth of the Happy Slave; in the 20th there was the Return-to-Nature movement; and now this.

As far as I can tell, this thoughtline assumes that the only problems that really exist are the ones that rich white people suffer from (mortgages, CV building, etc.) People who don’t live in a sufficiently developed country to have those particular problems must therefore not have any problems at all, and must live in a state of bliss.

It’s not like malaria exists, after all. /s

Bina
3 years ago

@WWTH:

And why do so many of these guys have usernames related to penes, butts or poop? I never used to take Freudian theory very seriously. But looking at some of the things MGTOW do, I just don’t know any more.

My humble theory, for whatever it’s worth, is that these guys are all chronic, compulsive wankers who are shit-spittin’ mad that women “made” them do it by being all non-compliant and human, rather than passive objects like they want them to be. And that they google for revenge porn incessantly, and whack off while chanting things like “Punish the slut! Punish it! Oh yeahhhhhh…”

Croosters
Croosters
3 years ago

@Bina

A lot of these guys are your typical entitled white cishet dude with the entitlement complex ramped up to eleven through a mix of sheltered upbringing, poor social skills and poor coping skills. Possibly autism to (not to be ableist; I have autism and I know the struggle, some dudes just think they have it the worst, worse than anybody else).

tim gueguen
3 years ago

I suspect this guy figures that prostitution is like Pretty Woman. Newsflash: If you’re working as a sex worker to keep yourself alive you don’t get to be picky. You have to deal with that guy who looks like he hasn’t washed in days, and the guy who you know might beat you to a pulp if he doesn’t like what you did, and all the other unpleasant types out looking for sex. You can’t limit yourself to Mr. Alpha Hottie.

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

When this guy says “desperate” he is using it to emphasize that she’s desperate for the work to be easy.

He thinks they choose prostitution because it is easy. He quite possibly does not even know what the word “desperate” means.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

Good grief.

What is with the lack of empathy in these guys? Why assume that sex work is easy money?

This seems all about enjoying the humiliation of women.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Croosters

not to be ableist

Uhm… you sure about that, pal?

Edit: autocorrect hates me..

numerobis
numerobis
3 years ago

I totally believe this story actually happened. Uhuh. A migtoe voluntarily gave money to someone.

BULLSHIT.

Croosters
Croosters
3 years ago

@Axecaliber

Every time I (as an autistic non-dude) enter into a space populated by large amounts of autistic men, I can’t help but notice most of them seem to have an entitlement complex surrounding women. A lot of the more angry ones tend to be gators ironically.

Saying that there’s an issue among a certain intersection of people is not being derogatory towards them.

Shiny Thingo
Shiny Thingo
3 years ago

As an Aussie whose maternal relatives are Filipino *and* who witnessed stacks of folks of all genders working hard in a variety of roles in Manila, Cebu and Leyte last year…bullshit!

What kind of confimation-biased goggles must this guy be using? To start, street stalls and small shops aren’t some sort of lady-free domain in the Philippines! Yeesh.

Lkeke35
Lkeke35
3 years ago

EJ:
Yep!
It’s also an excuse to never do anything about poverty.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/romanticizing-poverty-provides-legitimacy-to-social-inequality/5354948

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ ooglyboggles

say that impoverished prostitutes in a third world country have it better than you?

Amazingly the Incel crowd manage to be even worse. As far as they’re concerned inceldom is literally the worst thing in the world. It’s hard at times not to believe it’s a spoof but I’ve seen them seriously argue why everyone from rape victims to the inmates of the death camps were jammy bastards and could never understand the pain of being incel.

They have a special hatred for women engaged in sex work. Such women are of course exploiting the 24/7 agony the poor incel has to endure by charging for temporary relief. To them sex workers are the equivalent of ‘big pharma’, withholding literally life saving treatment unless paid. And they don’t even have the justification that they had to spend money inventing the cure; so they’re even worse.

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
3 years ago

I honestly haven’t seen that with any of my autistic friends and family.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Alan,

You took the words right out of my mouth. Or my keyboard anyway 🙂

I think some of these guys figure that at least a sex worker can get laid, so she automatically has it better than them even if she’s trafficked or doing it out of desperation to survive rather than choosing it freely. Incel is the worst oppression there is so it’s easy to arrive at the conclusion that every one else finds bizarre, that a middle class white western man is worse off than an impoverished woman of color in a country with a poor human rights situation.

Podkayne Lives (Soulless Golem)
Podkayne Lives (Soulless Golem)
3 years ago

The degree of out of touch you need to be to feel that women doing sex work on the street are somehow getting an easy out from ‘real work’ is…impressive.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Croosters

Saying that there’s an issue among a certain intersection of people is not being derogatory towards them

Yeah… But, like, there’s a difference between saying ‘there’s an issue with misogyny/entitlement among autistic folks’ (deferring to your expertise here) and ‘that guy’s an entitled misogynist? I’m thinking he might be autistic’. Ya know? I don’t think I’m being too sensitive on this…

JoeB
JoeB
3 years ago

Podkayne:

The degree of out of touch you need to be to feel that women doing sex work on the street are somehow getting an easy out from ‘real work’ is…impressive.

Seriously, really contradicts their talk that fucking a woman who isn’t at least a HB8 is a totally unthinkable degradation.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ WWTH

My recent exploration into the Incel mindset has been a real eye opener; and you know how desensitised/insensitive/clueless I am.

Warning for horrible attitudes

To them sex isn’t about enjoyment, it’s about validation. No one will have sex with them so by definition they’re worthless in the eyes of ‘normie’ society.

But then you have women who not only can get sex, people will actually pay them for the privilege. It’s the ultimate in validation and the clearest demonstration of female privilege possible.

(There’s also lots of stuff about how guys have to get educated and strive in the job market to survive etc whereas even the laziest and most uneducated woman need merely drop her pants to earn more in 10 minutes than working man earns in a week etc. So yeah to them by definition all women regardless of circumstances are more privileged than any man; apart from the mythical ‘Chad’)

Croosters
Croosters
3 years ago

@Axecalibur

Given the sheer magnitude of the entitlement among autistic dudes and the fact they more often than not congregate on Reddit, I feel no remorse making the comparison on sight.

Headologist
Headologist
3 years ago

@Alan

What I always found especially interesting (for want of a better word) about incels is their absolute insistance that they are the most persecuted even when called out by other incels. I’ve seen a fair few posts on incel subreddits where someone has called out a post in the comments; often a woman, pointing out that all their ridicules fantasies about woman being bombarded with an endless stream of sexually available incredibly attractive dudes is bullshit, and that maybe if incels considered women that didn’t look like supermodels as viable sexual partners they might not be incel. Sometimes the voice of reason is a guy too. Watching the mental gymnastics they perform to avoid this (accusing the commenter of not being “true incel” is a favourite, as well as a myriad of ways it’s “different” for women) is fascinating and very sad.

It often ends with other commenters saying women shouldn’t be allowed to join the subreddit. The mind, it boggles.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

It’s still in the comment policy not to internet diagnose though.

And, uh… not all autistic men? My brother is nothing like MGTOWs or incels. Not even close.

ModMyst
3 years ago

Re: the MGTOW blind spot about male prostitution…

Men don’t have sphincters; they have an old fashioned speaker grill plus amplifier for a mouth, and they leap away from their own spoor, pretending fiercely that it never happened.

Run awa-a-a-a-a-ay!!

Headologist
Headologist
3 years ago

@Croosters

I think a large part of the issue is a lot of people who claim to be autistic online are no such thing, but many edgelord arseholes have adopted it as an excuse to be arseholes with zero appreciation of what autism actually entails. For what it’s worth, I have a number of dear friends and acquaintances on the spectrum, many of them male; if any sweeping generalisations are to be made, it’s that they are if anything more conscientious than many other people. It’s only among the online arseholes who have picked up on “autism” as an excuse to be dicks that I find problems with misogyny, and that’s to be expected with the kind of people who think claiming to be neurodiverse is a funny get-out-of-jail-free card.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Croosters

Given the sheer magnitude of the entitlement among autistic dudes and the fact they more often than not congregate on Reddit, I feel no remorse making the comparison on sight

not to be ableist

Uhm… You sure about that, pal?

Croosters
Croosters
3 years ago

@Headologist

I’ll grant that to you. I’ve met quite a lot of people on the spectrum in real life that are just as entitled and assholish as their online kin.

@Axecalibur

It’s not ableist. I’m not saying it’s because of their autism, I’m saying because it’s a noticeable (and entirely self-inflicted) character flaw.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

“Women are worse than a backyard full of cackling hens,”

I think this was implying that a backyard full of hens is bad.

Why is a backyard full of hens bad? I mean, sure, they poop EVERYWHERE, but that’s damn good fertilizer, and you get eggs and meat from the chickens! Besides, chickens make damn good pets. They’re fluffy and cute and are actually quite intelligent.

I guess chicken and chicken product aren’t good enough for these dudes. Once you go seagull…

Whatever they do is pathetic.

MGTOW mindset, perfectly encapsulated right there. “Everything women do, no matter what it is, is bad.” Especially if it’s what these fuckers say they want women to do.

A woman supports herself? She’s a nasty feminist who thinks she’s too good for a man.

A woman is supported by her husband? She’s a leech who only stays with him for his money and is probably fucking Chad on the side.

A woman stays “pure” and doesn’t have sex? She’s a fuckin’ prude who thinks she’s too good for men like an MGTOW.

A woman has lots of (consensual) sex? She’s a whore who will cry rape the first chance she gets, or she’s still a b*tch because she won’t fuck ME.

It’s never fucking good enough for these assholes. No matter what we do, they’ll just complain that we didn’t do the opposite thing instead.

You can never woman right for a misogynist. And in a lot of cases, you can’t man right either.

When they have it good, objectively speaking, they complain.

Putting aside the irony of a dude complaining about his delusion that women complain all the time…

“When they have it good in my distorted worldview that never takes actual life experiences of women into account, they complain!”

Yeah, having dudes like this shithead complain constantly that EVERY WOMAN ON THE PLANET is somehow not meeting their lofty standards of how to person correctly is all I could have ever asked for in life, yessiree. [/sarcasm]

When they have it really bad, objectively speaking, they get on their knees and suck c*ck.

“How very dare women suck cock that isn’t mine when they’re being forced into sex work because they literally have no other options?!?!?!?”

Yeah, how very dare women do what they need to to survive and not take your opinions into account first? The shame. [/sarcasm]

Go to third world countries and watch the women there.

Don’t you love it when Entitled White Dudebros go to “third world countries” and then try to use it to say that women in “first world countries” should shut the fuck up about their problems?

It’s like saying that Felicia down the street actually gets beaten, so I should shut up about being screamed at all the time.

Dude, both are problems. Both of them are worth attention. I can care about women being forced into sex work in the Philippines (which you obviously do not), and still care about women being sexually assaulted in my own country.

Contrary to MGTOW belief, I am a very complex organism of the human variety with a complex brain capable of caring about more than one thing at a time.

Your problem is you just want women to stop telling you to not be a fucking douchebag who hates women, and instead be sad that you’re (eventually) going to go your own way and not pay them any attention. Which, let’s face it, isn’t going to happen.

I was in the Philippines in a rather poor area. At every corner there was a woman looking for an easy way out. Grabbing at the cock. Trying to sell their pussy. My guide said these were not even prostitutes. Just women desperate for an easy way out.

I don’t think this dude knows what the word “desperate” means.

Being the MGTOW that I am, I made it a point to look around and sure enough at every place there was a man doing an honest day’s work.

Funny how literally everything else is “an honest day’s work” when you’re trying to shame women for doing something they literally have no choice but to do.

I for instance overpaid a man in the thousands for some street food he was selling next to a whore of a woman who did nothing but try to sell her pussy.

Can we just marvel at the bolded? This asshole not only got street food from a man in an impoverished “third world country”, but thinks he fucking overpaid for it. He thinks he “overpaid” someone who he just describes as doing “an honest day’s work”.

Someone who very likely stands outside all day (and maybe night) long, to make cheap food and who very likely doesn’t get paid nearly as much as he should for his labor.

But nah, he totally “overpaid” for his food.

At no point do I ever think

You could have just stopped there and saved us all the trouble, m8.

I’ve seen a woman do an honest day’s work. It’s just the diarrhea of the mouth and easy ways out.

“I’ve never seen a woman do an honest day’s work because I’ve got my head metaphorically shoved up my rectum.”

I’m actually quite sure he’s seen a woman do an “honest day’s work”. He just doesn’t think women are capable of such a feat, and so his brain has to constantly hallucinate to suit his sheltered reality in order to keep from melting out of his ears due to his own cognitive dissonance.

RosieLa
RosieLa
3 years ago

Can anyone remind me whether or not MGTOWs worship Golding’s Lord of the Flies? Because it sure seems to me that they’d just love that isolated island. Being a bully seems to be their wettest of dreams.

booburry
3 years ago

Croosters, stop digging. We just don’t talk like that here.

Croosters
Croosters
3 years ago

@RosieLa

These little pricks wouldn’t last a minute outside of cozy little civilization.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Croosters

It’s not ableist. I’m not saying it’s because of their autism, I’m saying because it’s a noticeable (and entirely self-inflicted) character flaw

You’re saying that it’s reasonable, all else unknown, to assume that an entitled guy is autistic. I’m not sure how that ain’t ableist…

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
3 years ago

Given the sheer magnitude of the entitlement among autistic dudes and the fact they more often than not congregate on Reddit, I feel no remorse making the comparison on sight.

Again, not my experience of my friends and family at all. None of it.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Re: neurodevelopmental conditions and personality.

I’m not on the autism spectrum so the specific issue of autism and predominance of any personality types is not something I could say anything strong about.

But I do have a piece of the general issue that one fits in. It’s a thing in ADHD and Tourette’s Syndrome. I can’t easily put it into good generalized language but I’m convinced there are some personality tendencies that pop up more or less often. So I can see it being a thing in autism.

But it’s not really a useful in terms of the social fight this blog post is concerned with. Targeting specific behaviors and not groups matters. Splash damage matters. Efficiency in targeting the problem matters.

Figuring out which personality characteristics one has to control for also matters but that is best seperated from other sociopolitical concerns. Otherwise I want non-male people with autism to have all the social support they need to deal with entitled misogynists in the autism community.

It’s a neutral thing at the species level and the general shape to cognition will have many good and bad expressions. Case in point, I have socially predatory tendencies. I think it’s safest to stick with the simplest behavior isolated from groups (with the exception of groups defined by behavior like misogynists).

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

Just women desperate for an easy way out.

Just women desperate for a way out of grinding poverty.

As if touching this guy would be an easy way out!

Lyzzy
Lyzzy
3 years ago

Given the sheer magnitude of the entitlement among autistic dudes and the fact they more often than not congregate on Reddit, I feel no remorse making the comparison on sight.

My own experiences with autistic guys are more varied (there are some assholes and some very great guys) but I do think that there is a cultural discourse that overemphasizes their perceived “male” type of cold, unemotional logic with little regard for human complexity or petty externalities (this, of course is a stereotype often based on a strategy somewhat effective at dealing with a capitalist society). The sort of thinking that often makes you a computer programmer who, in my experience, often embody the stereotype. Luckily, the better ones can be convinced by civil discourse and pointing out glaring flaws in their logic. Some pretty much arrange for such arguments to take place and are eager to learn. Conell’s “Masculinities” also talks about this template of personality.

Still, I agree with the others: Diagnosing other people online is very touchy business, especially when you only have clues like “lacks empathy, entitled” that can easily be read as condemning autistic people.

Viscaria
Viscaria
3 years ago

Okay so I just want to say that insurance agents are not mentioned anywhere in the OP, but somehow on my first reading I read “insurance agents” instead of “guy selling street food” which is what I was trying to reference in my first comment. I’m really, truly not sure how I made that error. I was working with an audio file at the time that maybe had insurance stuff on it? But I don’t remember now.

Anyway, if anyone read that and was like “what is Viscaria even talking about?” now you know.

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

@Viscaria

I’m sorry; should all poor Filipina women be insurance agents? Is that your solution to crushing poverty? How many insurance agent positions do you believe are open in the Republic of the Philippines?

I thought you were citing “insurance agent” as an example of a middle-class job that was out of reach for poor, uneducated women.

I also thought that you were making the point that not many middle-class jobs exist in the Philippines.

It all made perfect sense to me.

EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)

@Axe:

I’m afraid I’m going to have to side with Croosters here. From what they’ve said, they’re autistic; they hang around in autistic spaces on the web, getting to know other autistic people and participating in austistic community-building. It’s not up to neurotypical people like us to police what they say about autistic people. If there’s a genuine problem with misogyny among autistic men, then we should definitely let its victims talk about it.

That said, Croosters, you came on a little strong there and I think you phrased your first comment poorly.

What I think you meant was:
“I recognise this distinctive memeplex of entitlement and misogyny; it’s so similar to the one that occurs in autistic spaces that I would be surprised if there wasn’t an overlap.”

What I think Axe heard was:
“These dudes are hella misogynist, therefore they must be autistic because no neurotypical people would ever hold an opinion like this.”

Does that sound fair?

By the way, welcome to the site, Croosters! I’m the Other EJ. Don’t forget to check out our comments policy!

EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)

@Lkeke35:
Thanks for that link. It’s always very interesting to see a first-world take on the problem, because it’s so radically different from my own experience of it.

@Viscaria:
I assumed you meant “even if the women worked as insurance agents rather than being prostituted women, the MTGOWs would still find something to hate them for.”

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
3 years ago

It’s not up to neurotypical people like us to police what they say about autistic people.

But I‘m autistic, which means it is my place, and I say that Axe is right and Croosters is getting SpongeBob’d.

@Croosters

http://i.imgur.com/M7DgVn7.gif

Internalised ableism is still ableism.

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