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Return of Kings: Sneaky feminists want to castrate men, toss them into concentraton camps

Feminists, always up to something!

With a self-professed “pussy grabber” now living in the White House, you’d think the reactionary douchebags at reactionary douchebag central, Return of Kings, would be feeling pretty chuffed.

Not so much. While Trump signs anti-abortion executive orders and talks about gutting the Violence Against Women Act, the fellas at RoK are worried that feminists are coming for their balls. Chemically speaking, that is.

In a recent post, regular RoK contributor Corey Savage takes a wildly paranoid look at what he calls “10 Feminist Fantasies That Could Become A Reality In The Near Future.”

Ignoring standard feminist fantasies like, let’s say, “getting through a day without some dude on the internet threatening to rape you because you won’t agree that  rape culture is a myth” or “setting aside a weekend to binge-watch the 4th season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer for the third time,” Savage decides to treat us to what seems to be a trip through his weirdest fears, some of which might actually be repressed desires.

So what is Savage worried about? Everything from polyandry to “consent forms” for sex. And did I mention chemical castration?

Here are some of the highlights from his list.

Helping women will become a hate crime:

After complaining about a UK law that supposedly bans men from trying to pick up women in public (it doesn’t, actually), Savage warns his readers, based on absolutely nothing, that such laws

might spread to the rest of the West and expand to include other misogynist offenses including: looking at a woman (what feminists call “stare rape”), calling a trans-woman a he (there’s already a similar law in New York), arguing with women online, manspreading, mansplaining, helping a woman, and so on.

Government-Sponsored Feminist Tribunals

It might be a little tough to convict men of such offenses as manspreading or aggravated woman-helping in a regular court. Savage concludes that the government will therefore set up a whole new court system just to screw over men, a system of feminist “tribunals similar to the kangaroo courts in universities and HR departments at workplaces, all in the name of creating a harmonious society free of hate.”

Non-contact Sex

Consider that we already live in a world where walking past some deranged woman will get you accused of sexual assault. In the future, all physical contact with women may become sternly discouraged or even forbidden that more men will retreat to porn and sexbots as alternatives. 

I’m pretty sure that quite a few men (and plenty of non-men as well) already use porn and a wide assortment of sex toys. Also phone sex, sexting, their own vivid imaginations, and so on and so on. “Non-contact sex” has been around as long as “contact sex.”

Bachelor taxes:

An old Men’s Rights favorite boogeyman!

With the drop in number of men who are [marrying] that coincides with the rising number of single mothers who need to leech the welfare state, it’s not too unreasonable to expect a push for bachelor tax that will penalize men who refuse to put a ring on an aging, post-slut sow.

Castration:

Well, “castration” of a chemical kind.

[D]ocile and compliant dogs are the ideal that feminists aim for in their efforts to domesticate men.… If all men are violent hooligans and rapists as some feminists claim, then the next logical step is to let the government control men’s testosterone levels to an “acceptable” level.

And then we come to the camps, and not the fun kind.

Feminist Re-Education Camps:

[I]t won’t be long before men who have been found guilty of misogynist hate crimes to end up in re-education camps. We already have sensitivity training in jobs while colleges are adding courses on toxic masculinity to re-define what it is to be a man on feminist terms. It probably won’t be long before “toxic masculinity” is added to DSM as a mental disorder (in place of homosexuality) and treated like a disease in mental health institutions.

I have to admit that I’m pretty impressed with the way he slipped a little gratuitous homophobia into that last sentence.

Now, if men resist all these evil feminist initiatives, Savage warns, they may well find themselves in even worse kinds of camps. Namely, concentration Camps

No man, no problem! If you’re wondering how feminists could even achieve this, know that there is already an army of goons called the police who will gladly do as they’re told to maintain the gynocentric order.

It’s hard not to wonder if Savage and his Manospherean pals actually live in the same reality as the rest of us.

Here for example, is a piciture of Donald Trump signing an executive order imposing a “global gag rule” that will cut off funding to international organizations that evenso much as mention abortion.

I’m having a little trouble finding the “gynocentric order” in this picture.

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Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Scildfreja

maintenance microdegression

Fortunately it was on point so udegressing is possible 🙂

Dalillama, Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles
Dalillama, Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles
3 years ago

@EJ
I’m embarrassed to admit to how rusty I am on Kropotkin, but here goes:

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.”

-Conquest of Bread

“The morality which emerges from the observation of the whole animal kingdom may be summed up in the words: “Do to others what you would have them do to you in the same circumstances. And it adds: “Take note that this is merely a piece of advice; but this advice is the fruit of the long experience of animals in society. And among the great mass of social animals, man included, it has become habitual to act on this principle. Indeed without this no society could exist, no race could have vanquished the natural obstacles against which it must struggle.”

-Anarchist Morality

“Equality in mutual relations with the solidarity arising from it, this is the most powerful weapon of the animal world in the struggle for existence. And equality is equity”

-Anarchist Morality
@Ariblester

I’d throw in one other especially persistent trope (and I’m using the term loosely to describe trope-like ideas even outside of fiction)

The word you’re actually looking for is probably meme, despite it’s having been mostly co-opted by captioned pictures of cats.

@Brony

In my head I turn “microaggressions” into “maintenance dominance behaviors that maintain compliance and prevent the necessity of of really intense dominance behaviors later”. This is the part where I creep myself out for a while too.

Not sure why. It’s a perfectly accurate description of what’s going on, and I will borrow it for my own use if I may.

Weird (Don't Mourn, ORGANIZE!!) Eddie
Weird (Don't Mourn, ORGANIZE!!) Eddie
3 years ago

@ Yamara

Idaho is suddenly bleeding edge.

Idaho’s been in the news for right-wing militia activity for some time, “Aryan Nations”, etc. The state has a lot of un- or sparsley-populated areas, and the militias will find a friendly ear from a lot of the population they do encounter. Plus, there’s a dearth of people of color and of other “types” they find distasteful.

(/s) I was hoping, with the election of the cheeto, the nazi-types would move out of there to more populated areas, and I could pick up a survival compound on the cheap… no such luck.

Ellesar
Ellesar
3 years ago

Interesting discussion about women as the gatekeepers of sex.

I have looked at the attitudes of paedophiles, and one of the reason that many hate feminists is because we have been the ‘gatekeepers’ (ie protectors) against paedophiles when they seek children. I have read many comments where paedophiles have blamed feminism for teaching children that sex with adults is wrong, where we have warned children against predatory behaviour, and all the things that any caring person would do to protect children.

Of course this is BS – warning children against predatory adults is as old as human society. Paedophiles have been around long before feminism.

I am not conflating the attitudes of the average MRA with paedophiles, but there is certainly significant overlap. Most MRA’s look at girls/ very young women as the only viable sex objects – the age of 25 being far too old. I honestly believe that many men who rage against us older women with all the typical insults about our ageing bodies and bitterness against younger women (LOL – if warning them can be interpreted as bitterness – OK!) really do want to find a girl as young as they can possibly get away with.

I wouldn’t identify most of these men as paedophiles, but again so much overlap – adult male power against young inexperienced girl/ woman, more easily controlled etc etc.

Human history has shown that patriarchal society has encouraged, and continues to encourage an older man owning (in marriage) a girl, and this is explicitly for the purpose of gaining control as early as possible. Whilst this is now not part of Western attitudes to relationships, and in many other parts of the world, it is clear that these MRA types really want a return to the ownership of girls – straight from daddy to him – like the bad old days!

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago
Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Dalillama
It has to do with the experience of it. I’m not sensitive to the subject but can see why that might look strange now. It’s the way the realization of how bad I could be if I wanted to hits me. I think it’s an implicit part of learning any way that people manipulate and cause suffering. It’s complicated in TS. The stuff we habitually think about can become very intense and develop a life of it’s own.

In a form that results in an OCD diagnosis I have known people with Tourette’s Syndrome who experienced very intense and very variable social symptoms. I knew one kid who felt like they were being attacked by a phantom person. Our imaginations can develop lives of their own and they often hurt.

EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)
EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)
3 years ago

Thanks for that, Dalillama.

(When I wrote that, I thought “it’ll probably be either be Policy of Madness, Dalillama or Black Bloc who responds, depending upon which reads the site first.” I’m consistently amazed by the level of radical scholarship that’s present on this site.)

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Dalillama
Oh! Yes please use the term if you wish. Sorry, it feels strange getting asked that for some reason.

Rhuu
Rhuu
3 years ago

@Brony and @Scildfreja: There is a need for apologies, actually! I am of course just guessing, but I read it as Scildfreja feeling bad that you had posted several good posts, and she had not the time to acknowledge them, and wanted you to know that she had both read and enjoyed your posts, even though she hadn’t addressed them to that point.

It’s one of those things that maintains social connections, I think. It’s thank you cards/calls/facebook posts, passing along something you saw that you know that a friend likes (American skater flashing the JJ style?? <3), offering someone some of the treat that you're eating because you've heard them sighing and can tell that they're sad and you want to let them know that you're thinking of them.

It's all of the little things that let people know that you see them and that you care about them, and how they're feeling.

Sorry if this is 'splainy! I just love the idea of people noticing small things about others, and then using them later to let them know that they are valued.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Rhuu
I’m not sure what it looked like but to me I realized that feelings of social expectations are complicated when it comes to the issues being discussed in here. I don’t know if there is actually a reason to be sorry in terms of asking Scildfreja something that was actually awkward. But the whole background issue of social dominance and expectations made that a thing that I think I should be more aware of. Maybe I’m overthinking it but I do that a lot.

I appreciate the thought. I hope it did not look too awkward.

Rhuu
Rhuu
3 years ago

@Brony: Nope! Navigating online space is complicated, and we’re still making up the rules as we go along. Text is difficult enough to communicate in, and then you add to it the fact that we’re all coming from different backgrounds/cultures/understandings/etc, it’s a miracle we can communicate at all.

A miracle, or just hard work on everyone’s part!

(Also should have added an apology to Scildfreja for speculating on why things happened, perhaps? Sorry if that was awkward. :S)

EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)
EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)
3 years ago

Off topic:
There will be a Scientists’ March on Washington. This is ostensibly a non-partisan gesture; while we know which side will be bringing most of the warm bodies, the march is intended to reach across the aisles to those scientists who were Republicans and are now feeling stranded by where their party has ended up.

If you’re a scientist and/or you live near DC, please attend and/or signal-boost.

numerobis
numerobis
3 years ago

@Scildfreja
No apologies necessary. Why apologize?

*cough*canadian*cough*

(Sorry, it’s just so obvious.)

(Shit. I just did it myself didn’t I? Sorry about that.)

zesty
zesty
3 years ago

I’m a scientist, but I live in Europe. If there are any sister marches here, I’ll join for sure.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago

hahaha! I was about to comment that I’m just Canadian and saying sorry is about as reflexive as blinking, but numerobis beat me to it! Sorry about that numerobis, you’ve got it 😉

Rhuu’s got the actual reason right, though. Social unguent, and all that.

@Ariblester, Dalillama, EJ, etc.;

I’d throw in one other especially persistent trope (and I’m using the term loosely to describe trope-like ideas even outside of fiction)

The word you’re actually looking for is probably meme, despite it’s having been mostly co-opted by captioned pictures of cats.

I was actually gonna comment on that general thread of conversation – I’d use the terms meme and memeplex for that sort of thing. Memes (a.k.a. ideas with group traction) tend to coalesce and migrate around in groups – memeplexes. Individual memes can be part of multiple memeplexes simultaneously, facilitating the transmission of new memeplexes through a population by dint of the weight of their connections.

None of this is really technical, incidentally – just sorta how it works in my head. I really ought to hit the literature and see whether there’s a better framework out there, because I bet a book could be written on it if not. Lots of interesting studies could be had on memetic clustering and transmission, though.

Super pedantic, all that, and semantic-by-definition, but there you go. Memes in memeplexes, floating about the population like flu viruses. suuuper dorky.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago

@Dave

I will tell you there is hardly a day when I am not harrased by gyno-centric radfem police. Is there no institution in this once great nation that is more hostile to the very concept of masculinity than the police……… I’m constantly amazed that there exists people that apparently believe this it’s enough to make me wonder if there is some weird multidimensional crap happening and we are half inhabiting two separate universes and in theirs they really are fleeing from the oppressive gyno-sentinels cause that would at least make some sorta sense.

http://media.giphy.com/media/3oriOcKVNgWTilLhuw/giphy.gif

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Scildfreja
I had to think about this for a bit.

Your discussion about microaggressions being maintenance actions actually integrates pretty well into the way that men (and boys) interact with one another. Women and girls as well, of course, but in a different way. I’m gonna keep that in mind for awhile, I think; maybe it’ll help me out. Thank you.

I feel very strongly about this and had to stop and think before responding to this part. I’m glad that you find it helpful. I just had a delay here. There are connections between my sense of these things, the research, and this community that very often require me to stop and introspect later while interacting with other things.

You are right that there is a difference and that puts breaks in my mind. I’ve read research that connects female people with TS to increased gender dysphoria (I’m on a phone and can link it later if anyone wants), and there tends to be a small but signficant increase in OCD in female people with it where there is an increase in physical tics in male people.

I would be very interested in hearing what you think. No matter what the angle.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Late to the discussion, but I agree with Scildfreja. It’s why when discussing the denial of the “right” to get laid, misogynists so easily reduce women to body parts. I.e. pussyconomics or the pussy cartel. A vagina isn’t a body part belonging to a human, it’s a thing being denied to them.

Even outside the manosphere this is how women are viewed. Female sexuality is commonly depicted in popular culture as being about attracting the male gaze. Not our actual sexual desires. Incels and pick up artists just take popular views about women and our existence as purely decoration to logical extreme.

Falconer
Falconer
3 years ago

I just saw someone on Tumblr who was yelling that they’d warned us all about Amanda Marcotte, Phil Sandifer and … David Futrelle.

I was too afraid to ask why they thought any of this group needed warning against, so I don’t know what they have against David, but they said Marcotte orchestrated a harassment campaign, so it’s probably not very substantive.

Dalillama, Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles
Dalillama, Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles
3 years ago

@Scildfreja

None of this is really technical, incidentally – just sorta how it works in my head. I really ought to hit the literature and see whether there’s a better framework out there, because I bet a book could be written on it if not

There is such a book (although there’s room for many, many more, and I’d love to read one if you write it), called The Meme Machine, by Susan Blackmore (Pretty sure I’ve recommended it here before, possibly to you?), and that’s pretty much how she frames it, yes.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

Not sure if this is a good place for this, but I just posted this meme on FB and got a “friend” attacking me for being too rude and hurting people’s feelings.

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He went so far as to compare it to removing cancer, in that you have to be careful not to damage the healthy tissue or the patient will die. I lost a partner to cancer. The “friend” and I worked together at the time.

I’ve been polite, kind, patient, and understanding. I don’t argue back at people who don’t share my opinion. I share factual stories from verified sources. I don’t share posts that are mean-spirited. One goddamned snark meme and I’m told I need to shut up and a disease that caused a lot of hurt to me used against me. I’m shaking right now I’m so upset. He gets to go about his day like nothing happened and tell me whatever, he’s done talking about politics now.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
3 years ago

@Christina Nordlander:

@NickNameNick: Don’t ever feel that you should apologise for these people’s behaviour. You are far better than they are.

I sometimes wonder if I really am, though – because I still have my bad moments. I try to not to double- or triple-down on them and generally realize I was in the wrong and feel bad about it, to learn and avoid it in the future…but it’s almost like I can’t help it at times and I hate that.

It’s certainly not a “biotruth” thing – it’s largely about social conditioning. I’d like to think I’m a bit more self-aware and can realize how many rationalizations for toxic behavior are just self-serving bullshit, but I’m not special or anything – I still occasionally succumb to that conditioning and don’t realize until after the fact.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

@kupo

You’ve done nothing wrong, and the logical response is to just unfriend the non-friend and let him not talk about politics in his own space to his heart’s content.

I used to be on Livejournal (yes, I was) and it never ceased to shock me when someone would go onto someone else’s journal and tell them what to talk about/not talk about. Facebook works in a not-dissimilar way – your Facebook is your space, and it’s beyond rude for someone to come into your space and lecture to you about how you are using it.

You’re using your space correctly, and your non-friend was out of line. You would be within your rights to laugh in his face, tell him not to let the logoff screen hit him on the ass on his way out, and defriend him immediately after.

Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@kupo
You’re not in the wrong, it’d be best to unfriend a person who does not respect your boundaries.

Falconer
Falconer
3 years ago

@David, that must have been after I fell face-first down the Tumblr hole.

@kupo, I am going to nth what others have said. You did nothing wrong. An unfriending is in order.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
3 years ago

@Kupo: They got mad over that? It’s not even inflammatory! And using cancer as part of their argument is both a massive overreaction and inconsiderate on their part. Unfriend their ass, or even block them.

@P.O.C.:

I used to be on Livejournal (yes, I was) and it never ceased to shock me when someone would go onto someone else’s journal and tell them what to talk about/not talk about. Facebook works in a not-dissimilar way – your Facebook is your space, and it’s beyond rude for someone to come into your space and lecture to you about how you are using it.

It happens to me plenty on Facebook and what makes it more frustrating is that the people complaining don’t even read the post. Sometimes they’ll see just one word and flip the fuck out, or start a seemingly casual conversation before making absurd claims that prove they only haphazardly skimmed what you said and projected whatever they wanted onto the rest.

Someone defriended me recently because…I said I didn’t like Luke Cage’s superhero name, “Powerman.” Why? Racism, apparently. Nevermind that I said I liked the character otherwise. I had to block someone else one time because, after going on tirade after tirade about what I was posting (it was in relation to Islamophobia) – he demanded we set forth rules on what I post and what we talked about, wherein I defriended him. He then decided to try stalking me through other friends’ posts or messaging them about me. He barely interacted with them before, but now he was showing up whenever they posted and one told me he contacted him through the instant messenger function. It was really creepy…

I really hate social media but, at the same time, it’s something that’s hard to quit entirely – especially when you connect with so many people that way and don’t want to sever that.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago

@Dalillama, that was you, and I went out and bought the darn thing. Thank you for reminding me! Memetic research is fascinating stuff – sadly it’s suffering some of the problems that Evolutionary Psychology is suffering, along the same axis. S’what you get for being attached to Richard Dawkins, Memetics!

@kupo, <3

You didn't deserve that treatment, and that other person is terribly, awfully insensitive. What a shameful thing they've done. Whether you unfriend them or not, I support your resolution to the problem, whatever it might be. There's no wrong answer to the issue.

Also, good on you for sharing with them! It's important to do it. It's gonna make people uncomfortable, but that's sort of the point. Make them uncomfortable, make them question. You did good.

@NickNameNick, the simple fact that you're questioning whether you're as good a person as you could be is ample evidence that yes, you’re far better. Shedding the defensive impulse is so crucial in being good, and it sounds like you’re aware of that.

Also, I got your steam invite! I think that was you at least 😮

@wwth, I agree! I have to occasionally remind myself that there is no bright dividing line between that the MRA’s believe and what society at large believes – the MRA’s are just more loud and explicit about it.

(Or, more accurately, I don’t remind myself, but life finds a way to remind me.)

@Brony, ooof, that’s a complex topic, and well outside of my proverbial wheelhouse. I’m of the opinion that small differences like that are largely environmental factors, but that’s just sort of a gut instinct – I don’t have any papers behind it. I do know that women and men (and boys and girls) express social dominance behaviours differently, with men/boys more prone to overt physical displays while women/girls express them through social behaviour (Largely, I imagine, because society frowns on physical displays from girls so heavily).

I don’t have a whole lot of experience digging through that literature – I mean, I could talk about it from a functional level I guess, but that seems pretty basic and I’m sure the ideas wouldn’t be new to you.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@everyone
Thanks, I just needed to vent. It was really upsetting to me, especially coming from him because he’s part of a marginalized group though he does have white male privilege blinding him. I don’t think I’ll unfriend him, but it really is a good example of a) why I usually just delete negative posts rather than trying to engage, and b) how women aren’t allowed to get even a little bit uppity.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
3 years ago

@Scildfreja Unnýðnes:

Also, I got your steam invite! I think that was you at least :-O

Don’t worry, it was me. 🙂

EJ (Marxist Jazz Weasel)

b) how women aren’t allowed to get even a little bit uppity.

This world needs more uppity women, and needs to support those it does have.

Thank you for being one.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

Thanks, I just needed to vent. It was really upsetting to me, especially coming from him because he’s part of a marginalized group though he does have white male privilege blinding him. I don’t think I’ll unfriend him, but it really is a good example of a) why I usually just delete negative posts rather than trying to engage, and b) how women aren’t allowed to get even a little bit uppity.

I understand. I don’t think it’s an accident that he’s concerned about you hurting the feelings of others, but didn’t think twice about brutally hurting yours.

Hashtag Ravenclaw
Hashtag Ravenclaw
3 years ago

In the future, all physical contact with women may become sternly discouraged or even forbidden that more men will retreat to porn and sexbots as alternatives.

Women. Enjoy. Sex. Too.

WHY ARE SO MANY MEN INCAPABLE OF WRAPPING THEIR HEADS AROUND THIS CONCEPT

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ hashtag ravenclaw

WHY ARE SO MANY MEN INCAPABLE OF WRAPPING THEIR HEADS AROUND THIS CONCEPT

Possible selection bias in the survey?:

“Every random woman walking past that I’ve propositioned for sex has said ‘”No!” So I guess they don’t like it.”

“No woman I’ve ever had sex with has enjoyed it. Must be them.”

Etc.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

“Also, the women in the porn I watch don’t seem happy.”

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Moggie

“Also, the women in the porn I watch don’t seem happy.”

I feel you are attributing a level of attention and empathy to them that there is no actual evidence for.

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

@Hashtag Ravenclaw

Women. Enjoy. Sex. Too.

WHY ARE SO MANY MEN INCAPABLE OF WRAPPING THEIR HEADS AROUND THIS CONCEPT

He’s heard this tale.

He’s also heard of dragons — but has yet to see one.

So until he has proof that even one woman likes sex, he’ll have to stick to his original theory.

JoaquinRl3
JoaquinRl3
3 years ago

Oh God, i never thought i would agree with that dirtbag RooshV.

I need to take a shower, again.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Women like sex.

Just not with these dirtbags.

And since we won’t lower our standards to fuck them, then that must mean we just plain don’t like sex, since we won’t take it from anyone who offers!

That’s like saying children don’t like candy because they won’t (and shouldn’t) accept it from strangers.

Or that people don’t like money because most people won’t accept money from someone who claims to have counterfeited it.

Or that dogs don’t like treats because they won’t take a treat from someone they don’t like.

Croquembouche of patriarchy
Croquembouche of patriarchy
3 years ago

Bina said

If all men are violent hooligans and rapists as some feminists claim, then the next logical step is to let the government control men’s testosterone levels to an “acceptable” level.

As luck would have it, we don’t claim that. But Roosh V does. In fact, he encourages it. And it seems he would also encourage destroying other men’s testes, if all the “cuck”-yelling is any indication. Any man who isn’t in line with the ROK “philosophy” (note the quotes, there for a reason) must get his nuts cracked on the regular, according to Roosh & Co.

And Joaquin said

Oh God, i never thought i would agree with that dirtbag RooshV.

Interesting, Joaquin. And do you have a followup report for us yet on your law professor and the Swedish ELEVATORS ?!!?