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Are grouchy Mel and glowering Vince the new faces of white rage? One racist idiot says yes

Mel Gibson and Vince Vaughn definitely not enjoying Meryl Streep’s Golden Globes speech

At various points during Meryl Streep’s Golden Globe speech on Sunday the show’s producers cut away from the actress to shots of fellow actors listening somberly but sympathetically to her heartfelt critique of Donald Trump’s bullying of a disabled reporter.

And then there were Mel Gibson and Vince Vaughn, two decidedly non-liberal Hollywooders whom the cameras caught looking, well, a little less than thrilled by Streep’s deft takedown of The Donald. The moment was screenshotted and passed around on social media; that’s it at the top of this post.

While most of those passing around the grouchy Mel and glowering Vince pic found it vaguely amusing, one Nazoid pickup artist found it downright inspiring.

And yes, I’m talking about the flamboyantly racist, metaphor-abusing Heartiste (real name James Weidmann), who in recent years has more or less stopped providing his readers with the dopey pickup tips that made him internet-famous in the first place and turned instead to racist diatribes and weird fantasies of violent retribution against the “shitlibs” he hates so much.

In a blog post yesterday, Heartiste waxed poetic about the “white hot fire” that he thinks is rising in the hearts of white dudes. “There’s fight left in White men,” he proclaimed.

The time is coming, very soon now, when the paper tigress of shitliberalism is exposed on the vivisecting table, and unapologetic shitlords stream out of their bunkers armed to the teeth with the liberating knowledge that the passive-aggressive snarl is all their enemies bring to battle, and behind that snarl there’s nothing but cowardly submission.

Yeah, he has a bit of trouble restricting himself to one metaphor at a time.

But I digress. Here’s where Mel and Vince come in. “Look at the fire in Vince Vaughn’s and Mel Gibson’s eyes,” Heartiste wrote, after posting the now-legendary screenshot of the two. Then he basically projected all of his anger and racism onto the two of them:

They forge in the furnace of their unalloyed disgust a quiet and seething intolerance for the enemies of White men; a vengeance devised to settle the ultimate score — recapture of their homeland from degenerates within — percolates in their blood and radiates from their irises.

Now, Mel Gibson may be something of a bigot — he’s spouted racist and sexist and anti-Semitic nonsense pretty freely in the past. But I don’t see much “vengeance” in his eyes, at least in the screenshot from the Golden Globes. He looks less like some avenging Aryan warrior than he does someone who’s trying desperately to remember if he turned the stove off before heading to the awards ceremony.

Vaughn, on the other hand, looks ready to murder someone. But I’m pretty sure he’s not actually a Nazi.

But Heartiste doesn’t let minor considerations of fact cloud his fantasies, and soon he was imputing the same vengeful thoughts to literally millions of white dudes in America.

Look at those eyes brimming with righteous hatred closely, and multiply that look by millions, because that’s how many White men of the West feel the same way. And their numbers grow daily. White men are awakening to their planned and active dispossession by malevolent forces corrupting the creation of their ancestors.

And these white guys are definitely not fans of Ms. Streep. Sorry, Ms. StreepThroat:

They see Meryl StreepThroat as another in a long line of preachy hypocritical reprobates shitting on their race and culture and values for fun and profit and the adulation of the elite bubble crowd.

You might wonder how exactly Ms, StreepThroat was shitting on her race in the Golden Globe speech, given that the disabled reporter that Trump mocked and she defended was actually a white guy. Ah, but Heartiste has the answer: Any criticism of Trump is a “proxy attack” on the white race.

This rapidly coalescing army of normal White men and the White women who have not yet abandoned them for the wigger low life knows that attacks on Trump are proxy attacks on Whites. They know, too, that Meryl Creep gave a standing ovation for child-rapist Roman Polanski, and wonder who is she to lecture White Trump-supporters about decency?

While it is true that Streep, along with too many other Hollywooders, applauded Polanski after he won best director at the Academy Awards in 2003, this seems a rather odd line of attack for Heartiste, who has claimed in the past that it’s natural and normal and SCIENTIFIC for grown men to want to have sex with 15-year-old girls.

But never mind, because Heartiste is on to yet another dumb nickname for Streep:

Meryl HeatStreep, in the act of mendaciously regurgitating a media-generated fake news story about Trump mocking a disabled reporter, says “Disrespect invites disrespect”. White men of the West say to her, “Your cretinous ilk have been disrespecting core White America for generations. You just don’t like that now there’s return fire.”

I’m just trying to follow the logic here. Streep and her “cretinous ilk” are mad that Trump (representing “core white America”) has fired back at Streep et al for “disrespecting core White America.” Except that the “return fire” from Trump is supposedly just “a media-generated fake news story?”

This race war is more complicated than I thought.

Heartiste ends his post with a very strange vision of nuclear Armageddon.

And this time, anti-White shitlibs, the war won’t be fought with rhetorical BB shooters. The cucks are chastened, the silos opened, and the shiv-tipped nukes ready for launch.

Er, why would you need to attach knives to the tips of your nuclear missiles? Wouldn’t the giant nuclear explosions be enough?

White supremacy is weird.

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Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

LindsayIrene:

Activists catch James O’Keefe’s group bribing people to riot at Trump’s inauguration

I wonder whether that will earn him a serious visit from the Secret Service?

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

OT: NYPD apparently doesn’t understand how serious rape is unless it’s stranger rape. http://www.themarysue.com/this-nypd-captain-just-accidentally-defined-rape-culture/

PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

I wonder whether that will earn him a serious visit from the Secret Service?

I hope like hell it does.

EJ (The Orphic Lizard)

@lkeke35:
Ugh. I totally agree that if someone’s worst insult is “you’re like a Black person” then they have some unexamined stuff they need to work through. That said, I really dislike the concept of white people treating Blackness as a costume. It’s uncomfortable enough when white people treat Zulu-ness or Arab-ness as an exotic costume, but when they do it to the people right fucking next door, that’s just a bone-chilling level of objectification.

Is that fair? Am I overreacting?

@John:
Varg said that? Really? Weird. Does that mean that he thinks of himself as copying Black culture?

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants:
That’s an excellent point, well made. May I quote you?

@Axe:
It sounds weird when I say “fam.” I might have to phase it in gradually. I could probably manage a “you feel me” from time to time, you feel me?

(As an aside, I am genuinely an admirer of Malcolm X.)

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
4 years ago

@SFHC and guest Ahhhhhhh. That particular slang hasn’t made it up north yet. (and I mean north of 60. :))

The more you knoooooooooooooooooooow….

@Axe Maybe I could imitate my friend who’s a graphic artist and a jazz singer…or imitate two of my neighbors, both who run restaurants here…. 😀

OMG…they’re women…I’m a woman….IT’S ALREADY STARTED!! *collapses on wigger fainting couch*

Seriously, they’re pretty awesome people. 🙂 I’d be proud to be compared to them.

PaganReader
4 years ago

I’m not a big fan of the death penalty, but I would be lying if I said I wasn’t pleased about a certain racist getting it. Especially since there’s no possibilty that he’s innocent, which is where my issues with capital punishment come from. May all the appeals be swiftly dealt with.

PaganReader
4 years ago

@Fishy Goat
It’s been in my area for at least 15-20 years. It must have missed your region. Lucky you. Of course, I live in Pennsyltucky.

EJ (The Orphic Lizard)

@Scildfreja:
I think the lying is also done as a power thing. If I can impose my reality upon you, then I have demonstrated my dominance over you.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ EJ

Zulu-ness

There are obviously issues around cultural appropriation as you point out. Supposedly though the British Army adopted the tradition of firing a volley over the grave of a departed soldier from a Zulu practice. Zulu warriors would throw spears to alert the afterlife that a badass was on the way.

I don’t know how true that is but I’ve heard it from both British and Zulu military personnel and everyone seems to regard it as stemming from respect rather than stealing. Quite a few army traditions seem to have arisen in warrior cultures that the army admired.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

Please, Please, Please, American friends – call your rep about this vote repealing the ACA. If that’s actually happening – please, don’t let it happen. So many people’s lives are depending on it. Call your rep, save a life. It really is that straightforward.

re: The Racist and the Death Penalty. I personally would prefer he not get the death penalty. It doesn’t deter anyone from committing those sorts of terrible crimes, and it doesn’t bring back those that were killed. It’s just vengeance. Let him live in prison forever, but live with the weight of what he’s done. I think we should reject that sort of bloody-minded vengeance, as just as it might feel. That’s just me, though.

@EJ, I’d actually be really interested in the opinion Alan’s got on whether lying is a power thing or not. I imagine you’re right, but I bet a lawyer has a really interesting perspective on lying in general.

Edit: Why speak of the devil!

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@EJ

I could probably manage a “you feel me” from time to time, you feel me?

That’s already @Jack’s schtick. You can have ‘know what I’m saying’. Maybe work up to pronouncing it ‘nahmsayin’ 😀

As an aside, I am genuinely an admirer of Malcolm X

Somebody’s hunting for brownie points…

Note to self: start referring to the adoration white people get/expect from so much as mentioning a PoC thing in a positive light as ‘brownie points’. Perfect!

Not you, you’re cool 🙂

@Fishy

and a jazz singer

Oh, hell yeah!

Lone Galtian Bootstrapper
Lone Galtian Bootstrapper
4 years ago

They forge in the furnace of their unalloyed disgust a quiet and seething intolerance for the enemies of White men; a vengeance devised to settle the ultimate score — recapture of their homeland from degenerates within — percolates in their blood and radiates from their irises.

This truly is everything, as in…purple prose everything…I LOVE IT. I mean, not the sentiment, that’s abhorrent. But the ridiculousnessness warms the cockles of my heart.

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

EJ:

I think the lying is also done as a power thing. If I can impose my reality upon you, then I have demonstrated my dominance over you.

Remember this, from 2004?

The aide [Karl Rove] said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” … “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

The right appears to have absorbed that lesson. Make your own reality, or help the powerful to make theirs. Who wants to be hobbled by reality?

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Scildfreja

It’s just vengeance. Let him live in prison forever, but live with the weight of what he’s done

I’m seeing some dissonance here (hope that’s the right word). It smacks of the anti death penalty arguments based on ‘which is worse, death or prison?’, and with whichever is most viscerally satisfying to subject someone to. What is that line of thinking if not vengeance?

My 2¢: the death penalty is bad, cos I don’t like the idea of the government being sanctioned to murder people in cold blood. Simple as that. Someone strapped to a table about to be lethally injected ain’t an immediate threat to anyone. Wouldn’t be surprised if it had an impact on police brutality too…

Am I off base?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ scildfreja

I bet a lawyer has a really interesting perspective on lying in general.

I don’t think I can add anything useful about the psychology behind lying*; that’s very much your area of expertise. I suspect though it’s like EJ says. A power thing. Either people doing it as a manipulation or exercise in dominance or more generally egotists adjusting reality to their beliefs rather than the more practical other way round.

There’s a quote from Dr Who about that in fact. Something about how, unlike the powerless who have to change their outlook based on the facts, the powerful change the facts to fit their outlook; “Which can be very unpleasant if you’re one of the facts that needs changing”.

There are some interesting legal profession things about lying generally. How the rules of evidence deal with lying and how we’re trained to detect lies and force people to admit to them, but perhaps that’s a discussion for another time. (love to get your perspective on that though)

* in the sense we mean here, obviously people lie for pragmatic reasons in court

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

@EJ: Please feel free! I’d be flattered 🙂

Re: lying, I keep thinking about the Bush aide (supposedly Karl Rove) who told the NYT: “That’s not the way the world really works anymore….We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” That interview was right around the time the Republicans switched to a hostage-taking style of oppositional government. Rejection of reality is part and parcel of the GOP’s withdrawal from democracy. They obstruct, they deny, they delegitimize, they refuse to engage with traditional norms. They object, not just to the limits of their power, but to the idea that there are any limits at all. They have never been able to accept that they are not the majority and don’t have a mandate. It’s why moderates keep getting primaried by Tea Partiers: there’s always another candidate who promises to go farther, who won’t be constrained by silly things that losers cling to, like rules and ethics and precedents.

And so here we are, in Trumpland.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

@Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger , I’d like to think it’s not vengeance! It could be, though. I try to avoid thinking I know myself too well. When I wrote that, I was thinking “Our decision shouldn’t be about him – it should be about us, and the kind of people we want to be.”

I don’t want him to get the death penalty not because he’d have to live with his conscience – heck, it’s quite possible that he wouldn’t actually be bothered by the murders, if his trial was any indication. I want to avoid the death penalty because I want our society to abhor killing, and what better time to demonstrate it than when it is so easy and so justifiable?

Hope that makes sense! I agree with you, too, really. Where’s the justice in killing someone who isn’t actually a threat? I don’t see it.

@Alan, I figured you’d agree with EJ! Powerful people adjusting reality to their desire instead of adjusting their desires to reality is an interesting way to put it. I’d quite like to know how the legal profession deals with lying, detects lies, etc.

In my own work, a falsehood in a set of rules will cause all sorts of mess, and tracking down exactly what’s wrong requires a lot of backtracing. If you’re dealing with a production system (a formal, syllogistic inference engine that takes a set of true statements and uses them to discover more things that are true or false), you have to go through all of the outputs and backtrace through them. It gets even worse if you’re dealing with something that has hidden layers, like convolution nets or other neural net structures. With those you sorta have to throw out the old nets, guess what went wrong, then try again. Very iterative work.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

There are two major theories of punishment: instrumentalism and retributivism. Both of them have unresolved problems, serious ones. Like, for instance, one of the problems with instrumentalism is that it doesn’t matter who gets punished as long as the deterrent effect works. In fact, it’s easier and quicker to just punish some plausible suspect and not waste time trying to find out if this person really did the crime. Obviously that is morally abhorrent, and that’s not instrumentalism’s only problem, nor are retributivism’s problems any better really.

One might think that the answer is therefore restorative justice, but that has problems, too, and almost breaks down entirely in the face of sociopathy.

So there is no “right” answer to crime, and no perfect solution. The way we deal out justice in the US can’t be called justice by any stretch, but I can’t get worked up about this racist murderer. The prison complex does so much damage to so many people that I have no sympathies to waste on the one dude who decided to murder a bunch of black people for being black. There is no right answer to the problem he poses, so there’s no need for me to spend time looking for one.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Scildfreja

I want our society to abhor killing, and what better time to demonstrate it than when it is so easy and so justifiable?

Justifiable, but not just. Agreed 🙂

Hope that makes sense!

Completely!

ETA: @PoM
In my experience, there’s no right answer for anything. There’s a shit ton of wrong answers tho…

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
4 years ago

OT –

I’ve just been listening to yesterday’s Woman’s Hour piece on BBC iPlayer regarding the March For Women and came across this quote from a woman on his transition team (sorry, I didn’t catch her name – the quote is at 36:30, for anyone interested with access):

“(Trump’s) chauvinism is good because it’s upsetting women and they’re going to do something about it.”

Wow. It’s amazing the contorted logic otherwise sensible people have to use to justify their support for him, isn’t it? Trump as feminism’s secret weapon? I’m not really feeling it.

Nancy Painted, Too
Nancy Painted, Too
4 years ago

Vince Vaughn got married at my high school. It’s a boarding school in a Chicago suburb near where Vince Vaughn grew up, and where his parents still live. The main building is a gorgeous, historical old house and the school made tons of money renting it out as a wedding venue on weekends and during the summer.

There were NDAs signed by all the school’s event staff agreeing not to talk about who was getting married there, and on the day of the wedding they sprayed all the windows white so nobody could see inside and posted tons of security around campus to keep high schoolers away.

I worked for the high school paper, a group of twelve nerdy high schoolers who thought we could actually write. We found out about the wedding after the fact when a few catering staff members told us after it happened. It was our front page news (not much very exciting happened around there).

The day before publishing, we got a cease-and-desist letter from Vince Vaughn’s lawyers. They argued that one of the school staff had broken their NDA to tell us about the wedding, so if we ran the story they’d sue the newspaper and the school over it. It was a load of bullshit, but we were a bunch of high schoolers who couldn’t afford to be sued over something this silly. We took the story out of the paper.

In its place, we put a grey box saying “this story has been removed because we have been informed by Mr. Vince Vaughn’s lawyers that he will sue us if we run it” or something to that effect. My high school journalism teacher took a copy to Vince Vaughn’s mother, who lives nearby.

We got an apology letter a few days later.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ scildfreja

The detection of lies is quite a complex topic as you might imagine. All sorts of techniques are involved. The one you might use vary from witness to witness. My preferred methodology is based on something called the Scharff Technique. Basically it involves establishing a rapport. It’s very non confrontational. When it works you’re almost in a friendly conspiratorial relationship with the witness; “C’mon, you can tell me” *wink* sort of thing.

Other methods are available though.

There are some pretty obvious body language and verbal cues to when people are lying, but what you need to do is get people to paint themselves into a corner. You must lead them down a route where there you can ask them the final fatal question that has no possible credible answer.

The key thing is that telling the truth is easy because you have a real recollection to draw on. Whereas a lie needs to be created on the spot from imagination. Now think how hard it is to create a narrative on the hoof that’s both internally consistent and externally consistent with all the other facts that will come out in evidence (many of which the witness will not yet be aware of).

That’s what we exploit.

Imagine I’m trying to disprove your alibi that you were at a football game. I could ask you about the match, what the result was, who scored, how full the ground was etc. But you can confidently deal with that merely by reading a newspaper or watching TV. I will ask all that though.

But then I’ll move on to: how much did the pies cost, what colour were the seats, where were the toilets etc.

I’ll then contrast the way you answered those questions with how you dealt with the initial ones.

That’s already turquoise elk territory so I’ll perhaps give people a break and deal with the evidential rules on another occasion.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

@Axe

In this case, every answer is more or less equally wrong, including the “let’s not punish at all” possible answer. The obvious alternative of life in prison is not punishment if it isn’t unpleasant, and is cruel if it is. So we are in the position of inflicting either cruel punishment or none whatsoever in the alternative. There’s certainly an argument to be made that removing him from society and eliminating any future threat he might pose is enough, but that, too, has at serious consequences if one uses that as the main philosophy of punishment.

Scildfreja takes the position that we should punish based on how we want to be as a society, but this guy’s crimes were not against “society.” They were against individual people. As a matter of law, crimes like murder are positioned as being crimes against the state rather than against individuals, but as a matter of fact they are not. It’s more than a little uncomfortable for me, as an uninvolved party who was not harmed by this guy’s actions, to be in the position to dictate to the harmed parties what his punishment should be for what he did to them (not to me). Some societies take this to its conclusion and let the harmed party make that call. That is … problematic.

When all possible answers are wrong, I just can’t care about the fact that a stone cold murderer who undeniably did the deed is going to die for having done it.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

I need to try and get brave enough to call about keeping the ACA. After all, the “no pre-existing condition barrier” protects me as a diabetic.

But I’m scared. My speech difficulty tends to get worse on the phone, and when I’m stressed on the phone. It’s something I’m struggling with at work. I’m not sure I can do it for myself, even with a script in front of me.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Agent of the FemiNest Collective; Keeper of a Hell Toupee
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Agent of the FemiNest Collective; Keeper of a Hell Toupee
4 years ago

@Kupo:

What are Juggalos supposed to be? I looked at that link, but a quick glance at the top entries didn’t tell me what that word meant.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@PoM

When all possible answers are wrong, I just can’t care about the fact that a stone cold murderer who undeniably did the deed is going to die for having done it

Is going to be killed by the state. This isn’t ‘natural causes’. A decision is made by the government of South Carolina to deliberately kill him. No answer being the right answer, I’d prefer the one that doesn’t involve that. In short, understand but disagree…

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Redskillphoenix,

They’re fans of the band Insane Clown Posse. They like to wear clownish makeup, just like the band. There’s a whole subculture built up around it that I can’t say I know much but they’re generally regarded as (insert classist insult here).

ICP is infamous not just for its fan culture but because one of their songs contains the line “fucking magnets, how do they work?” Apparently they believe magnets are a mystery even though magnetism is a pretty well known and documented force.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

Okay, I have now heard the assertion that Trump hired prostitutes to provide him with some golden shower entertainment. I am laughing.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Vicki
Write an email, send a letter, whatever you can. It’s not bravery to push yourself to do something you just can’t. Remember, simply existing in Trump’s world is a form of resistance. Anything else is gravy

That having been said, all you need is to convey purpose, emotion, and direction. Why are you calling, how do you feel about the subject of your call, and what would you like to be done about it? Took me a just over a minute. You called, so they’ll stay on the phone as long as it takes for your to say your peace. Take your time. It doesn’t matter if the words don’t come out right. Other people have already said all the right things, and many more will. All you hafta to do is add your voice. They’ll get the message 🙂

Trump hired prostitutes to provide him with some golden shower entertainment

As a getback at Obama no less. And now he has to respond ‘I did not get peed on by hookers in the President’s hotel room’. Laughing along with ya!

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

Thanks, Axecalibur. I’ll see what I can do. I know self-care is important, but I’m bad about it (which, yes, is kinda what landed me in the ICU in the first place).

Oh, he’s responded on Twitter. In ALL CAPS, of course. Insisting that it’s fake.

A good portion of the Twitosphere is laughing at him right now, or wrinkling their noses in disgust. These are not reactions he can handle.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

“fucking magnets, how do they work?”

I can sort of sympathise with that. As far as I’m concerned magnets might as well be magic. Same with gyroscopes.

I know the equations and the underlying theory of elecro-magnetism, and even how the relevant carriers are supposed to be working. But I just can’t get my head round how fields affect objects generally. Like how do the poles know where each other are? And what physically moves them together or apart? ‘Spooky action at a distance’ indeed.

Ironically it’s only this (and weak and strong nuclear forces) that my brain just doesn’t have the wiring for. Gravity seems really obvious because of the rubber sheet model.

Still, I’m glad I live in a universe that has all this amazing stuff. I love that feeling of complete wonder and bafflement.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
4 years ago

Wait, given that it’s Trump, “golden shower” could be literal.

I really, really hope it doesn’t descend into kink-shaming though 😐

@EJ

Ehh apparently that’s why he started doing electro instead. Also the logic behind fashwave.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

@Alan, your lie detection method sounds a lot like how I interact with trolls. It’s the “Give them enough rope to hang themselves” approach. Doesn’t work as well when they don’t care about being caught in their lies, but at least it’s good or actually showing them. Likely much better in the realm of “if you are caught lying you go to jail”!

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Agent of the FemiNest Collective; Keeper of a Hell Toupee
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Agent of the FemiNest Collective; Keeper of a Hell Toupee
4 years ago

@WWTH:

Thanks. I knew ICP had dedicated fans, but not that that’s what they called themselves. Sounds like a bunch to be wary of, at least.

OT: all this talk of people trying to impose their wills over reality reminds be of one of C.J. Cherryh’s older books, Wave Without a Shore (recently reprinted in the omnibus book Alternate Realities). The book deals with a whole society of people who believe someond with a strong enough will can alter reality to suit themselves, and what happens when Reality comes back with “Sez You! >:| “.

Good read. I recommend it.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ scildfreja

when they don’t care about being caught in their lies

One of the key things we try to drum into people in advocacy training is “It isn’t the witness you’re trying to persuade, it’s the jury (or judge)”

Whilst it’s handy if a witness ‘cracks’ that rarely happens outside Perry Mason stories. They’ll either stick to their guns, dissemble further, or clam up. But they almost never concede they’re wrong.

But that’s irrelevant. So long as the jury can see they were lying/incorrect you’ve done your job.

So arguing with trolls may seem like banging your head against a wall, but it’s the lurkers who get your point.

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
4 years ago

Vince Vaughn is 1/4 Lebanese, if I recall correctly. Does that negate his “whiteness,” according to Shartiste?

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

Victorious Parasol:

Okay, I have now heard the assertion that Trump hired prostitutes to provide him with some golden shower entertainment. I am laughing.

Here’s hoping that people start referring to him as PEEOTUS.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@John

I really, really hope it doesn’t descend into kink-shaming though

The reasons most people are laughing come directly from a place of policing sexuality. It can’t “descend into” kink shaming, cos that’s where it started unfortunately…

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

Putting a whole new spin on that “liquid gold” thing, huh?

Like commenting on Trump’s appearance, I think this falls into “live by insults against looks/sexual habits, die by insults against looks/sexual habits.”

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

“fucking magnets, how do they work?”

I can sort of sympathise with that. As far as I’m concerned magnets might as well be magic. Same with gyroscopes.

It wasn’t just that magnets are mysterious — and they’re weird, they’re stronger than gravity — but that the ICP insisted that scientists are all liars because none of them could explain it.

gijoel
gijoel
4 years ago

I don’t think it’s the kink aspect that bothers people. It’s the petty vindictiveness of hiring people to piss on a bed that someone you don’t like once slept in.

Maybe the sheeple will wake up, and smell the roses.

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

If the Russians have been determined to gather blackmail material on Trump, it seems likely that they have material which goes beyond kink. We already know the guy is dirty, commercially (Trump University being the obvious recent example), and it wouldn’t be surprising if Russia has a dossier which could put him in jail. How long have they been playing him?

Bina
4 years ago

Trump accused of hiring prostitutes to piss on the bed the Obama’s slept in when they visited Russia

As though it would make any difference. The use of the bed was already over and done by the time Drumpf and his hired ladyfriends “defiled” it. The hotel staff would have either cleaned, or if that were impossible, changed out the mattresses before anyone else could use the bed.

Drumpf really is a shitty, shitty little man.

Laugher at Bigots, Mincing Betaboy

It’s on occasions like this that we need to remind ourselves that Agent Orange is seventy!

Otrame
Otrame
4 years ago

Dear Cartman,

Knowing that a movie consisting of about 90% torture porn inspired you inspires me to stay as far away from you as I can.

——–
However, just because Gibson has pretty much lost his mind in his older years does not change the fact that he was once a very good actor.

As for Vaugh, he plays stereotypes, but he plays them well. He always has. There is nothing fundamentally evil about that.

We can critique their politics without claiming they aren’t good actors. That’s what Trump did, and I find myself inclined to avoid copying him.

epitome of incomprehensibility

They forge in the furnace of their unalloyed disgust a quiet and seething intolerance for the enemies of White men…

Because I was a big fan of A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man when I was a Young Woman, I’m wondering whether this is an allusion to “forge in the smithy of my soul the uncreated conscience of my race”. Maybe Heartiste came across the quote once and thought that “race” referred to white people? Maybe I’m overthinking this?

Re RevengePeeGate:

I don’t think it’s the kink aspect that bothers people. It’s the petty vindictiveness of hiring people to piss on a bed that someone you don’t like once slept in.

I think it’s both. I must admit I laughed at the story – it sounds so silly – but the wording of the alleged leaked document is yucky: “perverse” calls to mind anti-gay panic, and the Russian govt. has not been nice on sexual diversity. So there’s that too.

PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Well, I suddenly have the urge to change my nym.

**Ponders this a bit**

Naaaah.

Nicki
Nicki
4 years ago

Maybe it’s because I read about this picture before seeing it, but I’m not seeing them looking angry or unhappy, I see two guys reacting seriously to a serious moment. TBH I would be more worried if they were making any other face, like “lol Trump loves to laugh at disabled people lmao”