It’s time for another visit to The Comments I Don’t Let Through, my ongoing series in which I post, well, comments that are too extreme to just let through the moderation filter, but that, holy crap, I can’t really keep to myself.
Today, an all-caps, wall-of-text rant left in the comments this morning by a self-described “MGTOWRevolutionary.” Actually, he left it in the comments twice, with slight variations.
What follows is Mr. Revolutionary’s second rant, with several sentences from his first rant at appropriate points. I have also broken his walls-o-text into shorter paragraphs because we here at We Hunted the Mammoth are into tearing down walls, not building them up. I’m going to post it without snarky comments because, well, it’s late and I’m too tired to think any up.
(Oh, and be warned that there are some pretty nasty comments about domestic violence in the middle of his rant.)
THE WRITER OF THIS SITE IS A TYPICAL FEMALE MARXIST PSYCHOPATH WHO WANTS TO MANIPULATE PEOPLE.
Ok, I lied about not making snarky comments. I sort of feel it is incumbent upon me to point out that, as a man, I am not in fact A TYPICAL FEMALE of any type, given that TYPICAL FEMALES tend to be, you know, female.
WOMEN ARE BECOMING LIKE SECOND BOSSES TO MEN, THEY DO NOTHING BUT EXPLOIT US FOR OUR MONEY.
WE MEN HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR CHAINS AND SOMEDAY WE WILL REVOLT AGAINST YOUR EXPLOITATION, WE ARE TIRED OF IT AND IT BRINGS NOTHING TO THE TABLE.
WHEN WILL WOMEN GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND DO THE SAME FUCKING AMOUNT OF WORK AS MEN, AND EQUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO CIVILIZATION WITHOUT EXPLOITING US FOR OUR MONEY.
YOU JUST WATCH WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEDAY WE ALL UNIONIZE AND STRIKE AGAINST YOU, SO YOU CANNOT SURVIVE ANYMORE HAHA. IT WILL BE YOUR TURN BY THEN PARASITES.
IF YOU THINK WHAT YOU WOMEN HAVE IS SO BAD WHY DON’T YOU GIVE IT TO US? OH RIGHT, NO YOU WON’T BECAUSE DEEP DOWN YOU KNOW YOU DON’T WANT TO WORK FOR YOUR MONEY. YOU STEAL AND ROB ALL THE “COMFORTABLE” JOBS FROM US TOO.
Here come the domestic violence comments.
EVERYTIME I HEAR A FEMALE PARASITE DIE FROM “DOMESTIC VIOLENCE” OR KILL THEMSELVES I CAN’T HELP BUT LAUGH, ITS TOO FUNNY WHENEVER IT HAPPENS LOL.
ITS YOUR FAULT YOU CAN’T GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND MAKE MONEY FOR YOURSELF, AND ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO CIVILIZATION
EVEN NOW AS I WRITE THIS I PICTURE MYSELF AS JUST A NUMBER INSIDE A CONCENTRATION CAMP BEING WORKED TO DEATH VIA EXHAUSTION FROM A SHORTER LIFESPAN ALL BECAUSE OF YOUR GENOCIDE, MURDER AND KILLINGS AGAINST US.
YOU MUST PAY FOR YOUR CRIMES JUST AS THE NAZIS IN NUREMBURG DID, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY. INFACT THAT WE HAVE HERE IS WORSE IN EVERY SINGLE IMAGINABLE WAY COMPARED TO THE HOLOCAUST AND ALL THE EXPERIENCES OF ALL VICTIMS OF IT! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
MEN DIE EARLIER THAN WOMEN BECAUSE YOU MURDER THEM IN YOUR OWN VERSION OF A CONCENTRATION CAMP, YOUR GYNOCENTRIC SOCIETY.
THE NAZIS WERE ATLEAST OPEN, HONEST ABOUT IT AND ALLOWED IT TO BE OVER QUICKER FOR THEIR VICTIMS. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS YOU ENJOY WATCHING THE SLOW, AGONIZING DEATHS OF MEN IN SOCIETY AND DO IT WAY SLOWER.
THE DEATH EVIDENCE FROM YOUR DRAFTING OR SHORTENED LIFESPANS. YOU WOMEN ARE MURDEROUS PIECE OF SHIT WHO BUILD YOUR PROSPERITY ON THE BLOOD OF MILLIONS, MILLIONS OF MEN
And … scene!
@Scildfreja
Hope you’re feeling a bit better.
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@eli
I’m surprised that since the election no troll of late seem to lack any aptitude to not set off the well worn warning flags that we’re all too familiar of.
Okay, so apparently gay people have a particular lifestye, and should live in San Fransico. What’s the guideline for ace people? Are we expected to live in Lemuria, since, you know, ace people don’t really exist according to mainstream perceptions?
On a more serious note, I’m a bit surprised anyone would think it would be impossible to be sexually attracted to people you hate. Having sexual impulses towards people that are dehumanized seems to be an incredibly common cultural trope. See: the exotic, submissive Asian seductress stereotype, etc. And slave owners often raped (and had children by) their slaves. Treating someone terribly and thinking of them as subhuman is not mutually exclusive with sexual desire. I think the world would be a better place if violence and hatred wasn’t so often meshed with sexual impulses, but that’s not the world we live in.
I suppose that one might argue that bigoted perceptions of people aren’t exactly the same kind of hatred as, say, a personal grudge against one specific person, or even an explicit grudge against an entire group of people. That hatred in the sense Just Read was talking about should have more intention behind it than just blindly following along with society’s standard set of prejudices and dehumanizations. Which I think is a lazy and frankly dangerous way to look at things, to think that people have to purposefully and intentionally act hatefully. There’s plenty of hatred that has been internalized or denied, but that does not mean that it does not exist.
And of course, hatred does not preclude having consensual (if incredibly emotionally unhealthy) sex with someone. People, especially people who have been brought up to expect poor treatment or to play along and ‘be nice’, can and do fall prey to others who treat them poorly.
At first, on learning that Just Read has, like, totes heaps of gay friends and family and whatever, I wondered whether Just Read said this kind of stuff to them.
Now, I just really really hope that Just Read doesn’t. Especially Just Read’s son.
Condolences to anyone who has suffered similar from a parent.
The San Francisco = gay wonderland trope is just so ancient too. Maybe in the best that city was one of the few spots in the US where it was safe to be out as gay. But that’s not the case now. Minneapolis isn’t generally known as a rollicking party zone, but we have a large LGBTQ population here and whenever there’s lists of gay friendly cities published, we’re usually near the top. None of the gay men I’ve known fit the constantly partying, assless chap wearing stereotype. Just Read’s conception of how gay people live seems to be so stuck in the 1970s. Which is odd for someone who claims to have so many gay friends and relatives.
@ Catalpa
Ace people live in floating cities.
@LindsayIrene: I forgot about that post! That is beautiful. As someone who is also stuck between worlds, I love the whole spy aspect haha.
@Scildfreja: Okay, good, phewph.
BoinkBoink: Lol.
As an aside, Chicago has a wonderful, vibrant LGBTQ+ community, also.
Thank you for all of the lovely responses! I just suspect I’ll get some serious cases of foot-in-mouth disease, @Dalillama. I’m sure it’ll be okay. I try to avoid digging downwards when I’m told that I’m in a hole.
And @Ooglyboggles, oh my gosh those are adorable. Racecar kitties!
I was gonna find a picture of a floating city and cool island cities, because I love the idea of cities floating in the ocean. Probably because it implies that we humans have gotten our shit together well enough to live sustainably without relying on massive consumption of fossil fuels or tremendous ecological damage. So sign me up for one of those! (No picture, though, ’cause I got lost on the googs for like a half hour just looking at pretty pictures of green and white cities floating serenely in the blue.)
As for the whole “What is the LGBTQ+ lifestyle” question, my cousin is very much in that category, and is not at all interested in the “gay lifestyle”. By “gay lifestyle” I think our guest was just suggesting “stereotypical expectations of being gay.” So, promiscuous, emotional, flamboyant, and effeminate. I mean, there are certainly LGBT people that fit in that category, sure, but do we need to cast them all in there? (And that’s what you were doing, even if you added on “#notallgays” afterwards. There was no reason to bring up the stereotype otherwise)
I missed this ridiculousness last night.
Oh wait, I don’t mean ridiculousness, I mean TOTAL LOGIC. I mean, I only became bisexual because I spent a week at an all-girls summer camp as a teenager, and I was desperate. See, I had to have an unrequited crush on somebody, and there were no boys around.
But after that, it was too late to go back to “normal” life. I converted to the Gay Lifestyle and now I’m having wild sex parties like, every other day. That’s just how things work.
(Note: I’m being ever-so-slightly silly.)
@Lindsayirene
Haha! Fantastic. Sign me up for the floating cities and the eagle riding.
@Catalpa
No eagles, but here’s a flying city:
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@Scildfreja
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In my experience the bisexual lifestyle, in contrast to the hedonistic gay lifestyle, involves only infrequent, mediocre parties.
… I may have thought way, way too much about sustainable aquaculture practices, cities burrowed into mountains and floating serenely in the ocean, collecting garbage plastic and turning it into useful products. This may be a thing I have done far, far too much.
@ scildfreja & dalillama
I suspect the first floating cities will be established as tax havens for the super wealthy. There’s already a precedent for that.
http://aboardtheworld.com
It’s a pity because I like the idea of floating cities. But then I secretly wish all infrastructure looked like how 1930s fururologists imagined the year 2000 would be. That is an amazing aesthetic.
(And we’d have jet-packs)
Also, this is brought to mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYBes8ki3lo
I think a lot of 90s Canadian kids with YTV will recognise this!
(My favourite was the one with the singing green walnuts.)
Obligatory flying city:
@Alan
Hah. That thing’s a floating condo complex, not a city. It’s about what a rich person’s conception of a village is: ~200 ‘residents’, half again that many people who also live there to wait on the ‘residents’ hand and foot, nothing even resembling infrastructure or productive activity, and a total reliance on outside resources for everything whatsoever.
quote: On a more serious note, I’m a bit surprised anyone would think it would be impossible to be sexually attracted to people you hate. Having sexual impulses towards people that are dehumanized seems to be an incredibly common cultural trope.
You completely miss the point.
The issue is getting any woman who wants to have sex with someone who hates her for being a woman. Again, there are only three basic choices:
1. he rapes her
2. he buys sex from her
3. She wants to have sex with him because she wants the hate
Y’all have a problem reading what I wrote.
And one clarification:
When I said that there needs to be the threat of punishment to modify behavior in adults, I was specifically referring to the hate groups like MGTOW and KKK.
There is a chance to change the minds of reasonable adults.
@Just Ask for Directions
Lookit. You’re still here
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But what if… What if it’s you?
In light of ongoing events, I’m gonna need hard numbers on that “chance” to see if it’s worth even trying
Why do so many people think that if they say a thing and people disagree with it, the way to change minds is to simply reiterate the thing people disagreed with? What is that supposed to accomplish? If you didn’t communicate what you were trying to say in a way that people understand, either drastically reword it so that it says what you mean, or accept that people did understand what you meant and simply disagreed.
@Just Read: People already mentioned internalised misogyny as a reason that women will accept having sex/a relationship with someone who demonstrably hates them.
Here are a few articles to illustrate it. (not staying in a relationship, just how internalised misogyny can manifest even in the most feminist of spaces.)
7 Sneaky Ways Internalized Misogyny Manifests In Our Everyday Lives
4 Common Phrases That Demonstrate Internalized Misogyny
There is also the issue of people (not just hetero cis women) staying in a relationship that is abusive. Their partner could be said to hate them, and yet sex still happens.
I feel your ‘1) sex through rape’ simplifies what is a tangled web of knowing deep down that this might be the behaviour you should expect from a partner, the results of psychological abuse, along with not being able to leave because of financial reasons or children etc.
People don’t just have one night stand hate sex, and people can hide their hate for their partner until it slowly reveals itself.
3) is just… Wow… I don’t even know where to start with that one.
Also, I am reading what you wrote. And while I don’t necessarily expect to change your mind or stimulate a discussion between you and the community (as discussion doesn’t seem to be your goal) I am hoping to give more information to people who might be lurking and reading.
Pizza is here! Time to go and eat.
4. She wants to have sex with him and doesn’t realize he hates her,
4b. She wants to have sex with him and recognizes that he dislikes her in some way but doesn’t understand the depth of that dislike.
5. He presents a false front of his opinions and behaviours to her in order to deceive her.
I can keep going, there are many more possibilities. You present a false dilemma. To be honest, 5 is a very adequate description of a PUA. (And yes, 5 is just a different type of rape, but the distinction is important.)
People, in general, don’t want actual hate – wanting to be hated is more a cry for help than an actual desire. It runs counter to innate human drives for love and approval.
From that – your #3 is bullshit and minimizing to women, suggesting that they’d want to be hated. No, our theoretical woman pursuing sex with a man she hates is pursuing that sex because she wants the sex, and is willing to tolerate the hate of the other person involved in order to get it. Your #3 exists, sure, but it’s certainly not in the top-three reason for hate sex. #3 is far more likely to be “3. She wants to have sex with him because she wants to have sex with him.”
You’re pursuing directed thinking – looking for arguments and statements that support your cause. That’s almost always what’s going on when someone says “Here’s a list of things that support me, and they’re the only possible things”.
Please – I’m not interested in hostility, arguments, or “winning”. You said some things that I found troublesome, and you said some things that others found troublesome, and your clarifications have only made it worse.
Please – no more hostility. Accept that you might be wrong on these issues. Everyone says things that are troublesome from time to time – myself especially. An unexpected reaction to those things is the best sign any of us have that we hold a wrong opinion on something.
It’s a useful sign. Please – don’t ignore it.
@ dalillama
I hope I’m not being too cynical about human nature but I think the first floating cities will be an extrapolation of that ship.
They’ll be the ultimate in gated communities. Moor them in international waters (or the territorial waters of some impoverished nation). No need to worry about tax. Control your financial empire through teleprescence. Obtain your resources from the cheapest sources with no tariffs and ship your waste out to one of the many places that already receive such stuff. It’s not like you have to worry about environmental legislation after all. You’ll need a cheap labour source, but you can shop around the world for that.
All of the above already happens to one degree or another. So creating a quasi sovereign state open only to the world’s richest seems like the obvious end result.
How is that the issue now? Your original issue was that men in this situation experience cognitive dissonance and therefore it is silly and self-defeating to try to counter their hatred. I feel the goalposts sliding.
Maybe you need to stick to just one thesis.