It’s time for another visit to The Comments I Don’t Let Through, my ongoing series in which I post, well, comments that are too extreme to just let through the moderation filter, but that, holy crap, I can’t really keep to myself.
Today, an all-caps, wall-of-text rant left in the comments this morning by a self-described “MGTOWRevolutionary.” Actually, he left it in the comments twice, with slight variations.
What follows is Mr. Revolutionary’s second rant, with several sentences from his first rant at appropriate points. I have also broken his walls-o-text into shorter paragraphs because we here at We Hunted the Mammoth are into tearing down walls, not building them up. I’m going to post it without snarky comments because, well, it’s late and I’m too tired to think any up.
(Oh, and be warned that there are some pretty nasty comments about domestic violence in the middle of his rant.)
THE WRITER OF THIS SITE IS A TYPICAL FEMALE MARXIST PSYCHOPATH WHO WANTS TO MANIPULATE PEOPLE.
Ok, I lied about not making snarky comments. I sort of feel it is incumbent upon me to point out that, as a man, I am not in fact A TYPICAL FEMALE of any type, given that TYPICAL FEMALES tend to be, you know, female.
WOMEN ARE BECOMING LIKE SECOND BOSSES TO MEN, THEY DO NOTHING BUT EXPLOIT US FOR OUR MONEY.
WE MEN HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR CHAINS AND SOMEDAY WE WILL REVOLT AGAINST YOUR EXPLOITATION, WE ARE TIRED OF IT AND IT BRINGS NOTHING TO THE TABLE.
WHEN WILL WOMEN GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND DO THE SAME FUCKING AMOUNT OF WORK AS MEN, AND EQUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO CIVILIZATION WITHOUT EXPLOITING US FOR OUR MONEY.
YOU JUST WATCH WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEDAY WE ALL UNIONIZE AND STRIKE AGAINST YOU, SO YOU CANNOT SURVIVE ANYMORE HAHA. IT WILL BE YOUR TURN BY THEN PARASITES.
IF YOU THINK WHAT YOU WOMEN HAVE IS SO BAD WHY DON’T YOU GIVE IT TO US? OH RIGHT, NO YOU WON’T BECAUSE DEEP DOWN YOU KNOW YOU DON’T WANT TO WORK FOR YOUR MONEY. YOU STEAL AND ROB ALL THE “COMFORTABLE” JOBS FROM US TOO.
Here come the domestic violence comments.
EVERYTIME I HEAR A FEMALE PARASITE DIE FROM “DOMESTIC VIOLENCE” OR KILL THEMSELVES I CAN’T HELP BUT LAUGH, ITS TOO FUNNY WHENEVER IT HAPPENS LOL.
ITS YOUR FAULT YOU CAN’T GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND MAKE MONEY FOR YOURSELF, AND ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO CIVILIZATION
EVEN NOW AS I WRITE THIS I PICTURE MYSELF AS JUST A NUMBER INSIDE A CONCENTRATION CAMP BEING WORKED TO DEATH VIA EXHAUSTION FROM A SHORTER LIFESPAN ALL BECAUSE OF YOUR GENOCIDE, MURDER AND KILLINGS AGAINST US.
YOU MUST PAY FOR YOUR CRIMES JUST AS THE NAZIS IN NUREMBURG DID, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY. INFACT THAT WE HAVE HERE IS WORSE IN EVERY SINGLE IMAGINABLE WAY COMPARED TO THE HOLOCAUST AND ALL THE EXPERIENCES OF ALL VICTIMS OF IT! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
MEN DIE EARLIER THAN WOMEN BECAUSE YOU MURDER THEM IN YOUR OWN VERSION OF A CONCENTRATION CAMP, YOUR GYNOCENTRIC SOCIETY.
THE NAZIS WERE ATLEAST OPEN, HONEST ABOUT IT AND ALLOWED IT TO BE OVER QUICKER FOR THEIR VICTIMS. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS YOU ENJOY WATCHING THE SLOW, AGONIZING DEATHS OF MEN IN SOCIETY AND DO IT WAY SLOWER.
THE DEATH EVIDENCE FROM YOUR DRAFTING OR SHORTENED LIFESPANS. YOU WOMEN ARE MURDEROUS PIECE OF SHIT WHO BUILD YOUR PROSPERITY ON THE BLOOD OF MILLIONS, MILLIONS OF MEN
And … scene!
What was that one visitor’s name…MrsThundercock, or whatever, who pretended to use PUA tactics on men? That’s who Just Read reminds me of.
@Scildfreja
🙂
While I’m at it, am I the only one who gets a little cringey when someone says they don’t care about queer people’s sex lives? I mean, it usually comes before some terribly bigoted shit. It’s a friend argument without friends. Even when the person saying it isn’t an asshole tho… Still not a fan of that reaction
@Rhuu
I try!
@Just Read the Room
Aww, they think they’re frustrated. Cute
Nobody missed it. It’s just a terribly ignorant and ignorantly terrible thing to think and say
Nope, somehow worse
I get that it’s not cool to bring up people’s spelling. I think this is a special case…
Shark jumped. Into a piranha pool
No puppet. You’re the puppet
Our fault, surely
Yes and it turned out to be an MRAL sock. Under his Steele incarnation he used the “I’m too busy for this” flounce a lot too.
I think it’s too early to call on this one though. Although it’s possible that this bug I have is clogging my trolldar as well as my nose.
Whelp, I missed some shit during my day off, didn’t I? Figures.
Everyone else said some of the points I’m going to make (and possibly did so in a better fashion), but I’m still gonna.
What is it with people referring to the LGBTQ+ community, or even just gay men, as “the gays” or “gays”?
It’s just so fucking awkward to me, and it just sounds…wrong.
The LGBTQ+ community is so much more than cis gay white dudes. :/
Oh, and don’t do the “I’m not [Bigot Flavor]! I have [Oppressed group] Friends!” thing. That’s not going to help you here.
This is the internet. You can’t prove you have [Oppressed Group] friends here, nor does having an [Oppressed Group] friend give you a Get Out of [Bigotry] Free card, regardless of how “cool” they are with you doing/saying said thing. For an obvious example, being white and having a black friend who’s okay with you saying the N-Slur doesn’t make it okay for you to say the N-Slur.
You can still be an asshole to oppressed groups in general and have friends in that group, buddy.
You’re just talking about sex here. Sex isn’t a “lifestyle”. Certain kinks (mostly of the BDSM variety) can be a lifestyle depending on how often you’re in-scene or not, but for the most part sex is a part of a lifestyle, not the other way around.
This idea of “the gays are all about sex!” really needs to die, seriously.
Also, you’re fucking straight by your own admission, friendo. You don’t get to ‘splain to us, a group of people who have quite a number in the LGBTQ+ community (myself included) about the “gay lifestyle”.
With all due respect, you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about here. People in the communities you’ve talked about said you’re wrong.
Understand that, please. You don’t get to speak for us.
Maybe if he never leaves his house or has to call anyone. Women don’t stop existing if a man hates women.
Maybe if they never leave their house or have to call anyone. Y group doesn’t stop existing because X group hates them.
Does anyone else hear dogs barking?
I wasn’t aware you knew the intentions and thought processes of Milo, Vox Day and Ann Coulter better than they do.
I mean, it is easier to believe that “yeah, they’re just doing it to get a rise out of people, they don’t really believe the nasty things they say!”, but in all honesty, when someone tells you who they are, you believe them.
It’s safer that way.
If Milo, Vox Day, and Ann Coulter say shitty, bigoted things, they’re either bigots, or okay with bigotry enough to “joke” about it or use it to “troll”. Believe that, and stay the fuck away from them.
“Why even try? These dudes are going to be sexist anyways!”
Simple. Because while they specifically might not be listening to us, there are still people watching and reading what we say.
There’s always lurkers, people who are undecided, or people who are too scared to speak up.
I do it for them and show them that yeah, I’m not going to stand for this shit, it’s not okay to do.
And they’re going to see that, and they’re going to respond to that in whatever way they see fit. Who knows? Maybe I’m changing someone’s mind right now.
Except he’s stated he wishes he wasn’t gay??? That his life would be better if he wasn’t???
Milo is, in essence, the “Cool Gay/Jewish Man”. He’s the “I’m not like those other Gays/Jewish People!” in this situation.
I wouldn’t say it’s exactly cognitive dissonance that makes him say this, so much as it’s for the same reasons you get the Cool Girls who say things like “I’m not like other girls! I’m cool!”
He wants validation from those groups that he’s a Good Person, and he also wants protection from said groups. He’s also acting on being told (and believing) that being Gay and being Jewish is inherently Wrong and/or Evil.
He’s trying to not be the bad guy.
The Neo-Nazis/GGers/other Bigots won’t attack him if he’s one of The Cool Ones, at least until he says or does something that’s Not Cool by the standards of the people he’s pandering to.
As a pansexual person:
You do realize that this kind of bullshit “logic” has been used to persecute, stigmatize, and ostracize bisexual and pansexual, (and to an extent asexual) people FOR AGES, right?
Straight people say we can “choose to be gay”, and so we’re not straight enough to be treated as straight people.
Gay and Lesbian people say we can “choose” to be straight, so we’re not actually LGBT+, and we’re shunned by them too because we have “straight privilege”.
We’re told by both sides we just need to choose and be done with it. There’s so many bullshit stereotypes about how we’re “greedy sluts who will fuck anyone” and how we’re “inherently cheaters” and how we’ll supposedly abandon our partners for the “other side” at a whim.
Gods above, I hate this bullshit. Fuck that noise.
For the people in the back:
NO ONE CAN CHOOSE THEIR SEXUALITY OR WHO THEY FIND ATTRACTIVE. STOP THIS NONSENSE.
Yeah, because the problem is OBVIOUSLY that we’re just “not thinking” about what you wrote, and not that what you wrote was really shitty and wrong! [/sarcasm]
Dude, friend, buddy, pal…we’ve read what you wrote, we’ve thought about what you wrote. And we’ve responded accordingly.
My suggestion would be to back away from the keyboard for a minute, take a deep breath, open your mind a bit to the idea of being wrong about something, and then try to actually engage people who responded to you and start a dialogue, instead of assuming we’re just “not thinking” about what you wrote.
Other people responded to you, listen to them and engage with them in conversation instead of just pulling a Trump and going “Wrong wrongity wrong wrong!” and “Misinterpreted!” and huffing and stamping your feet that we’re not all jumping to agree with you and had the audacity to call you out for it.
This is a chance at a learning experience. Take it.
Jesus tap-dancing Christ
Please tell me you did not just try to ‘splain to a group of people, on a blog dedicated to cataloguing misogyny and hatred which has a tag SPECIFICALLY FOR MILO that we “just don’t understand” why these assholes are bigots.
That is so breathtakingly condescending.
WWTH, yeah, it may be to soon to call it…but the MO seems to be consistent: say something provacative, then respond with dismay after getting questioned, getting progressively more defensive about being “misunderstood”.
This, after professing to read WHTM for a year, ostensibly including the comments and knowing what the community is like.
Just Read’s writing reminds me a whole lot of MrsArgyle. Just gives too much history too soon, along with cute anecdotes. May just be chatty, though.
Oh. Wow. I just…yeah.
@Axe
So you’re saying when I went to PF Chang’s after watching Rogue One I wasn’t getting an authentic Asian experience?!
@PeeVee
I agree with you, this one is very much like Mrs. Chad Skyboomrooster.
@Handsome Jack
Some do.
Kupo, thank you! I couldn’t remember the name!
PI, fantastic takedown
Although this doesn’t need explaining to any of the regulars of course, I’ll say it in case Just Read is here in good faith and comes back to the thread.
A straight person can have problematic attitudes towards LGBTQ people without hating them or wanting to deny them rights.
This is very present in popular culture which often encourages fetishization. A couple of examples I can think of off the top of my head would be lesbian sex presented for the straight male gaze. Or the very common trope of a neurotic straight woman and the fabulous gay man who is her best friend and mainly exists to support her.
@kupo
Not unless you saw Rogue One to support your cousin Donnie’s acting career…
I really like the Disappointing Gay Best Friend videos that make fun of straight women expecting their gay friends to be all sassy and fabulous and stereotypically gay all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/NYLdM8wXkzM
Fan fic, the most popular ship in every fandom will often involve the two hottest guys with fics written primarily by women for women and lots of erotica.
No one ever talks about the bisexual or pansexual lifestyle, and so I have no clue if I’m doing it right. I’m sitting home alone on a Friday night with a cat on my lap while listening to First Aid Kit. Am I pansexualling right, or am I going to be kicked out of the club?
@LindsayIrene
You’re not out and about so people are ignoring you and possibly aren’t even aware of your existence if they even consider your existence a possibility. You’re pansexualing just right.
@ Handsome Jack
If they don’t know I exist, they can’t ask if I want to have sex with pans.
On the topic of hating someone you’re sexually attracted to, because the thought just occurred to me:
It’s totally possible to hate someone you’re sexually attracted to.
I mean, people can still be sexually attracted to their exes if it ended terribly.
And if we are to extend this to fictional characters, there are LOTS of assholes in fiction I’m attracted to. Like I’d fuck them, but goddamn if they’re not the worst kind of person.
Having a cat on your lap is doing it right no matter what your orientation is!
Do people think they’re being original when they come at you with that cookware joke? Like are they thinking “Heh, bet she’s never heard this one before. Gonna blow her socks off with my quick wit.”
I bet even the people who say “There’s no price tag so it must be free!” to retail workers think they’re hilarious.
I was going to apologize here. I’ve actually been sort of spiraling off into an anxiety attack for most of the evening, wondering if I was being the asshole and completely misreading our newcomer. I was asking myself if I actually read the lines from them about sexuality being a choice, or if it was all in my head and they were actually being completely reasonable. Finally able to come back here and respond.
(As you’re all probs aware by now I’m exceptionally prone to gaslighting. I don’t trust my memory all that much.)
Thanks for the excellent takedown, @Paradoxy, and thanks also to everyone else. @JRTD, your reaction to criticism was to get angry and confrontational. That’s no way to communicate, especially as a new arrival. Asking “Why do you think I’m a troll?” instead of being all “I’m not a troll, and here’s a double-down of my original point” would have gone a long way. I hope that your future interactions here will be less stressful for all involved, at the least.
As for the whole conversation that’s followed, I’ve been more and more aware of my inclusion in the LGBTQ+ category over the past year. I still don’t now much, though (about anything really) so hopefully you guys will be gentle when I invariably say something stupid and offensive. I know you’ll correct me when it happens, and thank you in advance.
Scildfreja, <3. You've done nothing you need to apologize for. Sorry about the anxiety attack, I hope you're feeling better now.
I am, thank you! I get those sometimes. And @Rhuu, the sass I didn’t put in my last reply to you was totally just snark, you didn’t say anything to upset me at all.
@Scildfreja
Welcome aboard! Here’s your copy of the agenda.
Seems out of character for you, but ok.
@LindsayIrene
Are you petting the cat? That part is essential.
‘I’m a pansexual, not a frying pansexual!’ -Dave Lister (not really)
For some reason the edit timer coubted down super fast…
Just catching up.
@Scildfreja Unnýðnes I saw nothing wrong with your responses.
Just Read the Directions reminds me of that one commentator, was it Valerie? or something similar. Right after the election. With her colorful cast of rural, non-racist, non-white Trump voters and her black sons who had NEVER experienced any racism, ever. JRtD just went from gay friends to gay son so fast I got a little whiplash.
Excellent takedowns everyone!