It’s time for another visit to The Comments I Don’t Let Through, my ongoing series in which I post, well, comments that are too extreme to just let through the moderation filter, but that, holy crap, I can’t really keep to myself.
Today, an all-caps, wall-of-text rant left in the comments this morning by a self-described “MGTOWRevolutionary.” Actually, he left it in the comments twice, with slight variations.
What follows is Mr. Revolutionary’s second rant, with several sentences from his first rant at appropriate points. I have also broken his walls-o-text into shorter paragraphs because we here at We Hunted the Mammoth are into tearing down walls, not building them up. I’m going to post it without snarky comments because, well, it’s late and I’m too tired to think any up.
(Oh, and be warned that there are some pretty nasty comments about domestic violence in the middle of his rant.)
THE WRITER OF THIS SITE IS A TYPICAL FEMALE MARXIST PSYCHOPATH WHO WANTS TO MANIPULATE PEOPLE.
Ok, I lied about not making snarky comments. I sort of feel it is incumbent upon me to point out that, as a man, I am not in fact A TYPICAL FEMALE of any type, given that TYPICAL FEMALES tend to be, you know, female.
WOMEN ARE BECOMING LIKE SECOND BOSSES TO MEN, THEY DO NOTHING BUT EXPLOIT US FOR OUR MONEY.
WE MEN HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR CHAINS AND SOMEDAY WE WILL REVOLT AGAINST YOUR EXPLOITATION, WE ARE TIRED OF IT AND IT BRINGS NOTHING TO THE TABLE.
WHEN WILL WOMEN GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND DO THE SAME FUCKING AMOUNT OF WORK AS MEN, AND EQUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO CIVILIZATION WITHOUT EXPLOITING US FOR OUR MONEY.
YOU JUST WATCH WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEDAY WE ALL UNIONIZE AND STRIKE AGAINST YOU, SO YOU CANNOT SURVIVE ANYMORE HAHA. IT WILL BE YOUR TURN BY THEN PARASITES.
IF YOU THINK WHAT YOU WOMEN HAVE IS SO BAD WHY DON’T YOU GIVE IT TO US? OH RIGHT, NO YOU WON’T BECAUSE DEEP DOWN YOU KNOW YOU DON’T WANT TO WORK FOR YOUR MONEY. YOU STEAL AND ROB ALL THE “COMFORTABLE” JOBS FROM US TOO.
Here come the domestic violence comments.
EVERYTIME I HEAR A FEMALE PARASITE DIE FROM “DOMESTIC VIOLENCE” OR KILL THEMSELVES I CAN’T HELP BUT LAUGH, ITS TOO FUNNY WHENEVER IT HAPPENS LOL.
ITS YOUR FAULT YOU CAN’T GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND MAKE MONEY FOR YOURSELF, AND ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO CIVILIZATION
EVEN NOW AS I WRITE THIS I PICTURE MYSELF AS JUST A NUMBER INSIDE A CONCENTRATION CAMP BEING WORKED TO DEATH VIA EXHAUSTION FROM A SHORTER LIFESPAN ALL BECAUSE OF YOUR GENOCIDE, MURDER AND KILLINGS AGAINST US.
YOU MUST PAY FOR YOUR CRIMES JUST AS THE NAZIS IN NUREMBURG DID, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY. INFACT THAT WE HAVE HERE IS WORSE IN EVERY SINGLE IMAGINABLE WAY COMPARED TO THE HOLOCAUST AND ALL THE EXPERIENCES OF ALL VICTIMS OF IT! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
MEN DIE EARLIER THAN WOMEN BECAUSE YOU MURDER THEM IN YOUR OWN VERSION OF A CONCENTRATION CAMP, YOUR GYNOCENTRIC SOCIETY.
THE NAZIS WERE ATLEAST OPEN, HONEST ABOUT IT AND ALLOWED IT TO BE OVER QUICKER FOR THEIR VICTIMS. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS YOU ENJOY WATCHING THE SLOW, AGONIZING DEATHS OF MEN IN SOCIETY AND DO IT WAY SLOWER.
THE DEATH EVIDENCE FROM YOUR DRAFTING OR SHORTENED LIFESPANS. YOU WOMEN ARE MURDEROUS PIECE OF SHIT WHO BUILD YOUR PROSPERITY ON THE BLOOD OF MILLIONS, MILLIONS OF MEN
And … scene!
RE: Authorial Intent
I tend more towards ‘The Author Is Dead’ camp. A work of art can definitely contain themes and interpretations that the author didn’t intend, or can be interpreted in a manner they did not expect. Once a piece of art is released to the public, the audience of that piece is who
An author can proclaim loudly about how they didn’t intend their work to be racist or sexist, or how, no, it totally makes sense that [shitty bigoted thing] is ubiqutious in their art, because historical accuracy or some shit, but that doesn’t remove the implications within the thing that they created. Intent isn’t magic, whether it’s personal actions or art.
That said, the creator of a piece is usually a better gauge of how one is supposed to approach interpreting their art than some random yahoo on the internet, and there are some interpretations that are mindbogglingly stupid.
The thing that gets me about the MGTOW crowd is if they *really* wanted to Go Their Own Way is to accept a gay lifestyle.
1) no women to deal with
2) as much sex as they want
3) an ability to identify with other men
I personally find the “YM” guy (not going to bother looking up his name) offensive and an ass, but at least he embraces the gay side of life, solving his “wimmin” problem.
(And I find it hysterical [pardon the pun] that he is held up as a speaker for the alt-right, when the Nazis have rejected him because he is (1) a gay (2) Jew. What did he think would happen when he cozied up to them?)
As much sex as they want? Gay men still have to obtain consent. It’s not like all gay men are willing to have sex with any man.
@Just Read
My eyes have migrated eastward…
Gay exclusive benefit apparently
He wants to be converted straight. He don’t embrace shit except money and nazis
No
@Just Read
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And here we have proof that MGTOWs only claim to be MGTOWing in an attempt to manipulate women. Golly, she’d better be exactly what he wants her to be, or else he’ll threaten to go his own way!
@just read: this whole ‘lifestyle” thing alaways confuses me. How does liking other people of the same gender as you become a ‘lifestyle’?
It is just a part of someone’s life.
Also, i don’t know what you thought you were doing with your comment, but why do you think that gay men don’t interact with women? You realise that these attitudes aren’t just against women people like this are interested in sexually, but all women they come in contact with, right?
Loving cats is a lifestyle. Loving men seems more like a job.
So whose sock is that ? My money’s on Dick Mash. They got that “how do you do, fellow feminists” vibe.
The username says Miggy Minter, but the shtick (and random homophobia) says Mr Al. More information needed.
I’m still not convinced that Miggy and Mick Dash are two unrelated trolls. The former has a tendency to show up two days after the latter starts his trolling, like recently with the Euroguy incarnation. At the very least they probably know each other.
That, or they’re all just Mark.
@Just Read
I don’t think I want to according to other commenters.
Yep concern troll, way to blow your cover by trying to insult mgtows by also demeaning an entire group as some form of fetishistic clique.
Women still exist regardless of your sexuality breh
Oh and treating gay people as easy access pleasure machines that’s a nice thing to do.
See; Milo.
Solve? He is a self loathing gay uncle tom who does everything in his power to bring down his and everyone else not a nazi down with him in hopes that somehow he isn’t going to get lynched. I don’t count that as “solved.”
Not to mention, Milo’s “problem” with women is entirely created by Milo. The solution is to stop hating women for being women. Being gay has nothing to do with that.
Honestly, the perceptions some people have of the LGBT+ community concerning sex frequency boggle my fucking mind…JFC.
The smell of foot is strong here…
Goodness. My somewhat tongue-in-cheek post did *not* go as I expected. I was not trying to troll. I have been reading Mammoth for most of a year, and I like the poke at the MGTOW crowd.
And, yes, the MGTOW crowd have done a fine job of bringing well-deserved derision upon their own heads.
I also don’t have anything against gays. I have several gay family members, and love them all. I *really do not care* who someone loves, as long as we are talking consenting adults. The only people I am prejudiced against are the “willfully ignorant”, like the flat earthers and the ones who think we did not goto the moon. And idiots like the MGTOW crowd.
And, yes, there is a gay lifestyle. Some gays live it, some do not. Some are monogamous, some are poly, and some will take on all comers. Same with straights. It *is* possible to find groups of people to have lots of casual (consensual) sex with, whatever your kink. *That* is the “all the sex they want” part. If you are confused about the “lifestyle” concept, live in San Francisco or similar cities for a while, and you will (if you pay attention) witness the public side of the lifestyle. (The Castro district at Halloween is a good example. These folks throw a fantastic party.)
If a man hates women, then it is possible for him to avoid women. If someone of the X group hates anybody of the Y group, it is possible to avoid them. I’m not saying this is the *right* thing (in fact, I think hating any law-abiding group is anywhere from silly to dangerous). It is probably *much* safer to women that these MGTOW idiots are not around women. (And the MGTOW crowd *frequently* crosses the line when they start in with hate speech and threatening physical harm, ala GamerGate.) Women have been killed by men for refusing to date them.
I also do not like “professional trolls” like Milo, Vox Day, and Anne Coulter – the ones who spew hateful and stupid shit just to get a reaction and goad others into doing stupid and dangerous acts against peaceful folks. They can say what they want. I don’t have to listen to them. I think they should be charged when they advocate violence, no matter the media.
One point (quote): “Milo’s “problem” with women is entirely created by Milo. The solution is to stop hating women for being women. Being gay has nothing to do with that.”
Hard for a straight man to hate all women and still want to have sex with one. This creates a severe cognitive dissidence. To expect someone that confused to stop hating women for being women is a silly and self-defeating effort. Milo avoids the issue of sex with women by being gay.
(Milo liking the neo-Nazis when he is two things they hate is a good example of his severe cognitive dissidence.)
What is this actually supposed to mean? What on earth makes you think it’s at all difficult for a man to hate women and still want to have sex with them? It’s not only demonstrably possible, I can even easily imagine the thought process involved. No cognitive dissonance required, unless you conflate “sex” with “love,” which would be a mistake.
Expecting straight men who hate women to stop hating women is a silly and self-defeating effort, is it? How is it self-defeating? Why is it silly? The alternative is to just let them do it without challenge – why is that a superior position to take?
Are you saying it should be easier or more difficult for Milo to stop hating women? Your last sentence makes no sense. How does Milo’s gayness negate kupo’s point in any way? You phrase it as if being gay is a choice that Milo has made in order to avoid having to have sex with women. Is that actually a thing you believe? This is an incredibly confusing paragraph.
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Hi! Welcome. I’m gonna get on your case a bit here, but welcome all the same.
Someone who is straight can’t just decide to be gay because it’s more convenient for them. Someone who is gay can’t just decide to be straight because it’s more convenient them. No matter how much they might hate women, that won’t change their sexual preferences.
Milo isn’t gay because of a decision. It’s not a matter of convenience, or a means of avoiding the issue of sex with a gender he despises. Milo’s gay because it’s a deeply rooted and unconscious drive within him.
Lots of straight men hate women but also want to have sex with them. The word for them is rapists, or abusers, or a small collection of other terms. MGTOW is a specialized one. MRA is another. PUA is another. I agree that it’s not logical for them to want sex with women when they hate women, but logic has nothing to do with it. Logic is a thin smear of paint overtop of the deep roots of emotional and sexual drives that motivate us, nothing more.
Straight people can’t choose to be gay, just like gay people can’t choose to be straight. Humans don’t work that way, and a lot of gay people have been hurt by the suggestion that we do.
Welcome, all the same.
I write like a robot sometime!
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Oh dear.
I… um.
FWIW I don’t think you’re deliberately trolling. I do think you would probably benefit from some introspective analysis of your own biases.
Quote: “difficult for a man to hate women and still want to have sex with them”
If you hate women but want to have sex with them, how are you going to find a woman to have sex with? Three choices:
1. pay for it
2. rape them
3. find a woman who wants to be hated.
Still create a severe cognitive dissidence; often leads to violence.
Quote: “[stop hating women .. is silly] How is it self-defeating? Why is it silly?”
How are you going to change their minds? The best you can do is prevent or punish the men when their hate turns to violence. If those men are in a position of power (Republican lawmakers), you can fight them when they (try to) pass hateful laws (eg anti-choice).
Completely different from changing their minds vs objecting to and fighting their behavior. You are confusing the two.
Quote: “Are you saying it should be easier or more difficult for Milo to stop hating women?”
First, to state it clearly, being gay for most is biological. For some, circumstances (prison), make being gay a [probably temporary] choice.
Milo being gay (and I assume it is biological) allows him to avoid the issue of sex with women altogether.
I really do not understand why Milo hates women. It appears he does. It also appears he found an “issue” he can rant about and get support in terms of both ego-boo and money. Otherwise, he could avoid contact with most women, and suffer the little contact that remains. He has a choice of being polite. I am told that he is rather funny and personable in person. He is certainly capable of controlling his behavior for the times he must interact with a woman (eg checking into a hotel, ordering dinner, etc).
For (a trivial) example: I hate bell peppers. I can avoid them in my life. When presented with bell peppers as part of the meal, I do not eat them, but I do not rant at the cook.
And how are you going to “make” him stop hating women? He gets positive reinforcement from his followers, gets to piss off those he hates, plus a $250K book contract. He has zero reason to change his mind. You are pissing into the wind if you think he will change his mind.
Uh, that’s not a “gay lifestyle”, that’s a lifestyle some queer and straight people participate in. Gay people didn’t invent partying, sleeping around and orgies; those have been there since forever.
So, like, what are you on about?
Uh…what? Confused?
Well, I know I’m confused right now.
You realize people interact with women outside of sex, like, every day, right?
I don’t know why Just Read comment drifted up the page, but it did.
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Still feeling sick and can’t offer any actual arguments. Reaction gifs will have to do for today. I trust the other mammotheers to handle it in my stead.
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Given your hostility, @Just Read The Directions, I’m beginning to wonder whether you are a troll.
Gay, genderqueer, etc people have been told for decades that their orientations are a choice, so that they can be blamed, persecuted, tortured and incarcerated.
And you defend reinforcing this fabrication by pointing out that prison rape happens? Or that sex happens in prison between people of the same sex?
Here’s news for you – straight people can have gay experiences and vice versa. This doesn’t change their orientations, because orientations aren’t binary. Nor are they decisions, and you had best come back with some weapons-grade evidence if you want to convince anyone otherwise.
Please consider stepping back from your position and re-evaluating.
Many of the men who hate women but still want to have sex with women have trouble finding women to have sex with them. You’re missing option 4: Fail to have sex. And discounting 2 … 2 should really be 1, because it is what they tend to resort to doing after they have dehumanized women.
There is no cognitive dissonance required for someone to become violent due to hatred. Do you know what that term actually means? There is no conflict between hating women and wanting to fuck them. Sometimes men hate women because they want to fuck women, and the women are not giving them the sex they feel they are entitled to have. In fact, in the manosphere, that is a leading cause of misogyny becoming misogynist hatred. You say you’ve read this blog for a while; how have you done that and not yet realized this?
Speak for yourself.
How does that negate what kupo said about his issues with women being self-inflicted? How does any of the rest of what you say about Milo do this?
@Viscaria:
If you do not think there are “lifestyles” around types of sexual behavior, you have led a sheltered life. In fact, those in the poly and swinging lifestyle *specifically* refer to it as “the lifestyle”.
Biases: I really do not give a shit what consenting adults do about sex, as long as they do not fuck kids or fuck up kids.
And I have, and on an ongoing basis, do re-evaluate my biases. I am much more accepting than I was 40 years ago. YMMV.
Most gay people (men and women) are some of the best people I have ever met. Shirt of their backs. Much better than many Christians I have met (and sadly, I say that as a Christian). (Please – no rant that I am saying gays cannot be Christian – I am not saying that. Please do not assume I have my head up my ass.)
And yes, some of the best parties I have ever been to have been hosted by gay groups. Try Queercon at Defcon. My bucket list includes Halloween in the Castro while wearing a kilt (FYI, kilts are very butch). I drove through the Castro one Halloween, but could not stop and party with them – I was very sad.