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I recently talked to Claire Landsbaum of NYmag’s The Cut about MRA’s, PUAs, the Alt-Right, and Trump. Her piece, featuring a bunch of quotes from me, went up today.
Check it out here.
Congrats!
There’s so many quotes it feels like you practically write the entire piece.
Yeah, We men have a stalker about MRA, look that!. Some as the feminist’s like media, haven’t total free speeach for men. There are a pending weight to left and women. A lot of feminists around the world (about 2 decades) now can use your material to inferiorize man in complete spectre. And you put a prize in this like a donation budge, ok it’s your payjob! I respect that… Only that.
I think the article misnamed Heartiste as “Artiste”. Otherwise, cool article. 🙂
@Joader
….You’re not making any sense.
Joader sounds like a really badly coded bot.
Nice use of Lee J. Cobb from Twelve Angry Men, David!
Joader, sweetie, I’ve written markov bots with more grasp of language than that. Can you re-phrase what you mean?
I think Joader is saying that David is cyber-stalking MRAs to provide intel for the feminists and the left for the purpose of neutralizing them? And Joader admires David’s diligence to that job, but otherwise considers it a bad thing? That’s my take on it anyway.
Hey, look, a cipher!
Look, it’s an MRA stalker, how about that?
Shit, I’m in over my head. Maybe:
Just like the feminist media, he doesn’t believe in free speech for men.
The media gives a disproportionate amount of weight to the [political] left and to women.
For about two decades now feminists around the world have been using your material to make men look inferior.
I don’t think this part needs translation.
I thought Joader “respected” the fact that David has a “payjob.”
So, you know, yay for classism and predicting people’s worth on employment.
Maybe Joader is just using really bad machine translation from Portuguese; he linked to a Portuguese-language site. His comment above seems to be the standard whine of “Men are the real underprivileged class! We live in a leftist gynocracy!”
I think all these men, the misogynists, the alt-right, the white nationalists, all of them, white and male (with a sprinkle of moc, like peppers) fail to realize that the pendulum always, ALWAYS, swings back.
They can celebrate all they want, right now, even manage to get a few laws passed, and some of us might not make it through the next few years, but WE, (basically everybody who isn’t a white, straight, able bodied, man) ain’t going back to the NO time in the past. Not the 1850s, and not the 1950s, either.
Everything they put us through in the next few years is gonna come back to bite them in the a** later, and they might want to consider that. Everything they want done, can also be undone.
And quite frankly there’s only so much bullying they’re gonna get away with right now. This ain’t the sixties and I don’t know any black people who say they’ll be turning the other cheek. They keep forgetting we have have guns too! There ain’t gonna be no more Rosewoods, or holocausts. They want to sit around and fantasize about our violent tendencies, well as long as it remains a fantasy, they can keep dreaming, and we will keep it moving. They are largely cowards, who don’t wanna find out if thats a reality.
There’s also the very real possibility in voting for Drumpf that they have destroyed themselves, especially when he starts betraying them all, so he can court his rich, white, male friends. They’ll get a few deeply restrictive laws passed, and some of them gonna act like bullies, but ….THE WORM ALWAYS TURNS.
@Ikeke35
I sure hope you’re right, because my depression has been acting up lately and telling me that this is the end, that Team Hate has won for keeps this time because they finally got a front man who observes no rules at all.
Inferiorize the menz!
@lkeke35
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Yes.
I seem to remember Chiomara saying there’s an MRM in Brazil. Maybe Joader is one of them.
I’m mildly amused by commenter AlmostThere, who wrote,
Did they skim and only comprehend that one tidbit of the article? Did they read up until just that point, make the comment, and stop reading?
Yeah, those violent racist, misogynistic knuckleheads. There’s like six of them, just let them do a bit of suing and they’ll be on their way.
Fantastic interview, David. All media sites should do the same when discussing the MRM, there’s no bigger expert on the ‘movement’ than you.
Taking a look at some of the comments on the article it seems you might have riled a few of them up. Expect a bunch of whiny concern trolls here in the near future.
OMG!
Paul Elam just now responded!
So excited!
Congratulations, David!
You’ve been working away in the salt mines for 10 years now — it’s great when you get recognition from the world.
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Joader
Yeah, We men have a stalker about MRA,
look that!.
Some as the feminist’s like media,
haven’t total free speeach for men.
+++++
There are a pending weight to left and women.
A lot of feminists around the world
(about 2 decades)
now can use your material to inferiorize man
in complete spectre.
+++++
And you put a prize in this
like a donation budge,
ok it’s your payjob!
I respect that…
Only that.
Congrats, David!!
I hope that you do realize how much your work is worth.
This site helped me and gave me hope after years of lethargy and having “given up” about injustice. You give a great example. Thank you! 🙂
David, I have to hand it to you. I checked out some of the links in the article – for instance, the daily stormer link – so that I could get a more comprehensive understanding of your position. I have done that a number of times and I am constantly finding myself impressed with your ability to wade through so much drek to find, and communicate, the essence of what the authors are trying to say.
My respect and gratitude for you and your work continues to grow. In a time when so much of what passes for news is lies and disinformation, it is more than ever vital to have sources of information that are, as much as possible, true, reliable and reported with integrity and humor.
It cannot be easy, spending so much time – both literally and emotionally – wading through all the ugliness to share with us all you learn. I just want to say a giant “Thank You” for being a true friend to life as well as to both women and men.
Keep on truckin’, dude.
Short @Joader
How dare you look at and comment on what MRA’s do in public? It’s a complete invasion of privacy….you must be some kind of spy! Do you know what happens to spies? What…you won’t tell us even that?!
I have been reading the articles on this site for like years, and I’m glad that the things you write about are getting more attention in the mainstream, because these issues are so important and we’re all kind of in danger from the morphing alt-right.
Thank you for all the work you have done through all this time, it can’t be easy but it’s super necessary.
@Conan: That’s something that always gets me about this kind of argument.
David goes into PUBLIC SPACES online. These aren’t private servers or password-protected blogs. These are PUBLIC SITES that anyone can go to, and many of them advertise to get more people to come to their sites.
But somehow he’s a “spy” for the “feminist gynocracy”? For reporting on things they say on their public, advertised space?
For loud people who want to be heard, they sure are picky about who they want to hear them.
I mean, they can only get to so many
cishet white non-feminist menpeople like that.Paul Elam doesn’t know how right he is, or why:
It was just this kind of condescending indifference to reality that got Trump elected.
The indifference to fact and to truth displayed by Trump, his allies, and his minions is truly breathtaking, but it was probably the less blatant but more condescending indifference to truth and fact displayed by mainstream media (“Trump and Clinton call each other bigots”) in the name of “balance” that helped get Trump elected.
How the NY Mag piece exemplifies that kind of “condescending indifference to reality” is, of course, not explained, but understand that Paul Elam’s insights are like pearls buried in rubbish heaps.
@Conan ‘Stopped watch’ syndrome, I suppose.
@kupo
Thanks for translating that! I was so baffled.
@joader
Look, if you want to troll here you’ll have to up your game. That was boring. Like, we’ve had trolls here who live DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH and who call penguins whores and who say that men should be ranked by penis size. Your offering was poor
Interesting.
I was thinking about the MRA connection to the (short-lived) football-boycott at the University of Minnesota. While thinking about it, I was musing over the extreme right wing generally, and -to my less educated eyes- the MRA focus on “due process” which isn’t actually due and the alt-right’s obsession with legal favoritism on behalf of men, whites, Christians, and especially masculine, white Christians look awfully similar when you place the MRAs & Alt-Righties next to each other.
It made me think of the MRA’s manosphere as a gateway to the alt-right (even if the alt-right isn’t exactly a gateway to the manosphere). But even if I’ve got something wrong in this thesis, it is still quite obvious to me that the manosphere exerted a huge influence on the entitlement of the players’ boycott and how they framed that boycott to the media.
For instance, they were initially stating that they refused to go back to the field until “due process” exempted from punishment any of the 10 players accused of violations of scholarship conditions and student code of conduct regulations. How does “due process” work if the outcome is determined before the process? I don’t know – and neither did the players! – but hey, if a man got held accountable for his actions it must be unfair, right?
Anyway, if you have the time and inclination, I’d love to see your take on any connection between the MRAs and UofMFootball.
MRAs are part of the alt right. It’s just their sanitised name for the alliance between MRAs, neo-Nazis and other white supremacists.
Crip Dyke,
As a Minnesotan that story is really giving me some rage strokes. I got in a fight with my dad because at first he was pulling that if the DA didn’t press charges, there must be a reason bs. Then he actually read the victim’s account and changed his mind. I’s horrific. I’m actively cheering for the Gophers to lose even though my mother and several friends are U of M alum.
I don’t think this has to do with MRAs though. I think this is just the usual good old fashioned misogyny. Bros before hos. She must have had it coming. Etc. This shit existed long before the MRM it’s just that there’s backlash because the university is doing the right thing for a change.