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Mike Cernovich: Black men cause cops to shoot them by thinking that cops shoot black men

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Apparently, the reason so many black people are getting murdered by police officers is that black people believe police officers are murdering black people.

At least that’s what Twitter activist, “Gorilla mindset” guru and all-around Internet embarrassment Mike Cernovich seems to suggest in a recent blog post.

A couple of months ago, you may recall, Cernovich suggested that he and his Twitter followers had “manifested” Hillary Clinton’s illness with their minds. Call it the power of negative thinking: by imagining Hillary having coughing fits, they literally gave her pneumonia.

Now Cerno is offering a similar explanation for the police shootings of black men that have roiled the nation over the last several years. As Cerno sees it, black men are “summoning the demon” and bringing murder on themselves by believing the media accounts of black men getting killed by police officers.

You may object that the media only writes about black men getting killed by police officers because, you know, black men are getting killed by police officers. But Cerno apparently lives in a world beyond mere facts.

“I look at issues from a branding and marketing perspective,” Cernovich explains.

Brand value is subjective. Statistics about race and crime matter far less than the subjective feelings people have towards one another.

So forget the actual facts of police officers killing black people. In Cerno’s reality, the key problem is that

[t]he brand of police (and whites) has suffered a lot of damage due to fake news media propaganda.

As a result, he argues, “millions of blacks believe police are out to kill them,” which makes

every interaction [between blacks and police] more toxic for both parties.

In mindset we call this Summoning the Demon. Your subjective beliefs create the very monster your fear.

Hey Rocky, watch me pull a racist police officer with an itchy trigger finger out of my hat!

“Consider this,” Cerno continues,

A black man is pulled over. He believes (rightly or wrongly, as your opinion doesn’t matter for this example) that the police officer poses a threat to his life. The black man is going to be tense. Sensing the driver’s tension, the police officer is going to view the black man as a threat. They will feed off of one another’s energy until something bad happens.

Nothin’ up my sleeve! PRESTO!

The belief manifested the reality.

Really, dude?

Again, I do not live in the world of “absolute truth.” It doesn’t matter if racism in policing is real or not if millions of people believe it’s real.

What about gravity? If millions of people convinced themselves that gravity was fake, would they and all their belongings just float away into the sky?

My personal belief is that police are not actively discriminating against blacks. If millions of other people feel differently, then we have a branding problem.

Mike, maybe gravity is just a “branding problem.” Why not test this proposition by convincing yourself that gravity is an illusion, then walking off the nearest skyscraper?

I’ll just be waiting here for you to report back to me on the results of this experiment.

Somehow I doubt Cerno will try this little trick. Because in his mind some facts — like gravity — actually matter, while other facts — like black people getting shot by cops — are just a “branding problem.”

Cerno’s solution to this little “branding problem?” He thinks the incoming President Trump should “hire Kanye West as sort of a ‘brand ambassador'” who could, I guess, convince black people that police are the friendliest, least racist people on planet earth. Through the magical power of his rapping, I guess.

That’s his actual “solution.”

I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried.

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Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

@Troubelle

I don’t know much about Sweden, sorry ._.

Well, I know that they and some of their immediate neighbors have been leading the way for the rest of Europe for a while now, and I understand that France would be a much shittier place if not for that, but that’s about as much as I can tell you. Oh yeah and I know it’s cold. You might be better off asking some of the resident Swedes here.

Hey, (granted, this is me speaking, knowing only what you’ve told me, and I bet you have a whole bunch of other reasons to believe so) maybe she’s not “too far gone”, given those redeeming qualities. They could make a difference. Seems these days everyone is in a hurry to pick a side, and with the amount of disinformation going on, well… it sort of explains this whole mess. The “liberal media” thing never really gets old, it’s a common example of even the most sensible people suddenly making no sense anymore. But I’ve had a lot of success with a few people spouting that kind of bullshit by showing them what the “other side” is. The reasoning goes that if they’re gonna assume that both sides are equally valid and it’s a matter of “preference”, a quick glance at Breitbart is gonna make them rethink that stance. It’s supposed to work on anyone who’s not a fascistoid, unless they’re in serious denial of just how bad things are getting. Now, I understand that it’s not exactly an easy thing for you to do since apparently she’s not even gonna listen. But it might be worth a try, if ever you think there’s a way to pull it off. If not, then please disregard this whole paragraph.

Addendum : it’s 5am already and my engrish is getting more tedious by the minute. Wondering if I’m gonna turn into a troll over the next 18 hours.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@Brony,

Alrght I’m summoned. What the fuck do you want?

I do have a list, seeing as you asked so nicely 🙂 . Where do we start?

@John,

My (half)sister is a painter, so yep, lots of sharp and pointy things. Approach in a sort of sideways crouch if a painter is angry – or don’t approach at all.
Your writing: are you blocked on the plot, or something smaller, or just lacking motivation overall?

Apropos of nothing at all, I am happily entertained right now – my boy has been learning card tricks and I am his practice audience. They are very cool.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Mish
I hope it was obvious that the profanity was only directed at Cernovitch in humor (Cenobite = horror movie demons).
I’ll be in here tomorrow if you had a question. It’s bedtime.

Vucodlak
Vucodlak
3 years ago

@ Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Demons to some, angels to others.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

@Mish

– or don’t approach at all.

I was thinking of putting my niece between her and me. She wouldn’t raise a finger then, and even if she did I’m pretty sure the kid’s indestructible anyway. Problem is she’s too small to provide adequate cover for me, yet just a bit too heavy to hold her up for any extended period of time. Joke aside, yeah, I steer clear of the workshop for now. She’s much more approachable around tea time, although we still end up talking about the very topics that make us cranky.

As for the writing, ehh…

are you blocked on the plot, or something smaller, or just lacking motivation overall?

It’s a bit of the last two, I guess. I’ve been working on this iteration for four years and a half now, so I’ve got three books worth of plot. But I’m still stuck halfway through the first and it’s more because of “me” than because of “my work”. I mean, it’s like a personal block that has nothing to do with what’s already written and what will come next. Normally I grow dissatisfied with what’s done and it makes me want to ditch everything and start over – usually that’s exactly what I do. But not this time. I can still feel the connection, it’s still there, I just can’t seem to find the energy.

Also I’m pretty sure one of the main characters wants to murder me in my sleep.

Card tricks though ! My best friend started looking into that a few months ago and the results are pretty amazing. I usually take some misplaced pride in spotting the tricks, but I haven’t been able to do that with him – then again I’ve known for a long time that he’s a hell of a pickpocket, a genius guitarist and the sort of person you call when you locked yourself outside of your own house, so that might explain a lot. Be scared if your son starts getting very good at those card tricks.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
3 years ago

@Sinkable John

I’ll see what I can do in regards to my mother. Not this weekend, though. This weekend we’re going grocery shopping, and a grocery store may not be the best place to make a fuss. (It is, however, a good place to get good food for a good and tasty meal, which is something I haven’t been able to do myself much in college. Of course, it’s also a good place to get quicker and cheaper food, which will be needed due to a lack of it currently in the house and the fact that Mom’s no moneybags. I’m chill with ramen and eggs, though.)

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

@Troubelle

You’re 16. Grow up, and go hunt a mammoth.

Hey whatever you do, don’t make the whole thing harder on you than it already is. I mean, how long does that break last anyway ? If you wanna talk to her, you could wait till it’s almost over, that way you limit the fallout in case it goes wrong. And then when you’re back to college, it gives her space and time to reflect about the points you made. Of course that also means that you’re gonna spend the rest of your break in an unimproved atmosphere… so I dunno.

As usual, just throwing ideas out there. They’re not good, but with any luck they might not be too bad either.

Makes me realize how lucky I am that I don’t have to see my father even on holidays or breaks, or even at family gatherings. Granted, he’s a whole other bag of spiders.

As always, all the hugs and support. In any case and whatever happens, you can fall back here to rant if you feel the need to.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
3 years ago

@Sinkable John

The break lasts until MLK Day. I’m going to be either here or at Dad’s for over a month unless weirdness happens.

For now, I’m going to step down political engagement unless it becomes immensely pressing. It may be best to wait.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

I’m going to train black people to stop bullets with their minds Matrix style.

If black people really wanted to not get killed when the police shoot them, they’d pull themselves up by their bootstraps and become Luke Cage. Is that really asking so much?

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

So…what came first, black people’s reactions (fear, anger, hatred, etc.) to police or police shooting black people?

Cernovitch has posed a real Chicken and Egg question here.

He literally is saying that police only shoot black people because black people are afraid of being shot by police, but why would black people be afraid of being shot by police before the police shot them?

I mean, we all know the answer (Cernovitch is a racist moron who can’t logic properly), but it is certainly a conundrum.

Of course, most people would say that obviously the negative reaction came AFTER police did the bad thing (“Once bitten, twice shy”), but that’s because those of us who would say that obviously don’t have Cerno’s awesome mind powers.

Must be all that juice.

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

Cops carry guns. This fact makes me nervous. Also, men make me nervous.

A few years ago, I found myself alone on a residential street well after dark. I saw no one else around. Few cars passed me. Then a cop car quietly rolled up behind me, and the cop inside shined his spotlight on me.

Before that moment, I hadn’t even known those cars had spotlights.

I guess my nervousness was really evident, because the cop told me to relax.

That’s right — he didn’t shoot me. Instead, he told me to relax.

A bank had been robbed, and he wanted to know if I had seen the robbers in their getaway car(!). (No.)

So did the fact that I’m a white woman play a role in the cop’s reaction?

What would Mike Cernovich say? (WWMCS?)

The poor guy would be torn. On the one hand, blacks are manifesting their own shootings at the hands of cops. That much is clear!

On the other hand, female privilege. That much is clear!

Perhaps female privilege is so powerful that it destroys a cop’s tendency to have an itchy trigger finger around nervous people.

But wait: Why then were Sandra Bland, Natasha McKenna, and Yvette Smith (among other black women) killed by cops?

Mike, I’m all confused. Get back to us on this!

NicolaLuna - epic slut
NicolaLuna - epic slut
3 years ago

Well, not half an hour into dinner with my siblings and mother and Mom starts yammering about “liberal news media.” I try to stop her, she shouts me down and says she’s entitled to her opinion. I tell her I’m entitled to mine, she says I’m 16 and need to grow up.

@troubelle

I just wanted to send some support your way. I grew up in a family which (on my dad’s side) is far right. I have family in the EDL and who all vote for UKIP. It can be horrible to be stuck in that as a teenager. But when I read your comments, if you didn’t state your age I would have thought you were way older. I’d have probably guessed you were similar in age to me (I’ll be 30 in 9 days) so in no way are you immature. Your mum is just using your age as a way to discredit you as she has no decent argument to what you are saying.

If you’re this awesome at 16, you are going to be formidable when you’re an adult.

On an unrelated note, I’m incredibly hungover after spending last night drinking too much gin with my mum. I’m pretty sure my dog knows the extent of my hangover as I’m laying on the sofa and he keeps bringing his toys and piling them up on me and licking my face. I literally have a pile of dog toys on me and he looks so concerned. Dogs are great

Matt
Matt
3 years ago

So what Cernovich is saying is that he and his froggy troll buddies are actually *causing* “white genocide” by constantly fretting about it. Glad we cleared THAT up! 😉

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

3 hours of sleeps, kid wakes me up with cold hand tickles.

Way to lose all your cute and turn into a monster, kid.

@Kat

I wanna echo that. I’m a white guy (Jim Crow says otherwise but well, at the very least I pass) and I get extremely nervous whenever cops are around because they often have very real… “justifications” to arrest me (I’m not gonna call ’em legit…). And the abuse so far has been very real as well – but the worst I’ve ever had happen to me was to be threatened with the gun, not shot at with.

I know why I’m still breathing, and I know it’s got nothing to do with my behavior, attitude, or degree of nervousness during those stops and arrests.

@NicolaLuna

I prefer cats when hungover. My cat works anti-hangover magic, I’m pretty sure of it.

I’m glad you still somehow managed to grow up to become a sensible human being even with a far-right family. I don’t know that I would’ve been able to in the same situation, and I know that even if I had, I’d be in a very bad place today given that I have to rely on my family for pretty much everything these days.

Goes to show just how bad a hangover can be, if it’s strong enough to defeat you 😮

ETA : @Matt

On one hand, I’m kinda worried that you actually stopped and took the time to measure the implications of Tcherno’s nonsense. On the other hand… that’s brilliant. Well played.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

This whole demon thing has some characteristics that are quite revealing. You have Cernovitch who appeals to them non-literally so they can ignore the reasons that others have for the way they feel about things. You have people like the one Ed Brayton writes about here who use demons to explain why other people don’t do what they want them to do. And I can’t ignore the way things like my Tourette’s Syndrome becomes demon possession and involves social processes. That last one is the only kind of reference I have sympathy for as I can imagine what someone might appeal to in explaining the feelings they have.

Interesting stuff. The instinct to dehumanize and avoid has to have vulnerabilities.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Also “demons whispering in crowds”. I think there is something to swaying groups with implicit, indirect communication that avoids dog-whistles and trigger-words.

numerobis
numerobis
3 years ago

He literally is saying that police only shoot black people because black people are afraid of being shot by police, but why would black people be afraid of being shot by police before the police shot them?

Oh that’s easy. “Fake news”

In right-wing circles now, “fake news” is a new buzzword that means “any news that is factually accurate but doesn’t paint the picture that white supremacists want painted.”

E.g. black people are getting shot by police => fake news, because those uppity urbans had it coming, because reasons.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

@Mish

Eeeee ! The kid is dancing ballet on this right now !

Life is wonderful.

NicolaLuna - epic slut
NicolaLuna - epic slut
3 years ago

@sinkable John
My cats are generally better when I have a headache. When they purr it makes me feel so much better.

I was lucky that my mum is more left wing and a lot of my friends were really interested in politics so I was exposed to different views. And that as a pansexual girl I knew that their homophobia and sexism were wrong so their racism must be wrong too. I had to unlearn a lot of problematic stuff though.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
3 years ago

Re: growing up in conservative households.

My parents were pretty typical Daily Mail types when I was growing up, plus fairly strictly religious, and I did pick up some of their junk. I cringe when I think about some of the stuff I used to believe. That changed when we got the internet and I became exposed to contrasting viewpoints which made a lot more sense to me, especially since I have always always had the personal mantra of do unto others what you’d want done to you, despite the conservative “quirks” of my upbringing. It also helped that I had two very close friends at school who were each from a marginalised group: one a Muslim, one a lesbian. It helped me see others in their group as people, and again this struck with my “love thy neighbour” rule. Internet also helped opened my eyes to the wider world and things like online debating plus an education that focused on critical thinking developed my reasoning skills which have helped me learn to see bullshit as bullshit. I like to think I have now fully broken away from my parents’ right wing (ish) influence. I’m definitely very liberal these days.

That said, I did manage to liberalise them a little when I was in my late teens. I simply shared what I had learned with them and some of it seemed to stick. I even got them to stop reading the Mail! Buuuuut…recently they’ve started to slide back again. Some of the stuff that comes out of my mum’s mouth in particular…ugh. Dad is the more reasonable one out of the two but still. Thing is they don’t take critique on their views as well as they used to. Dad will simply repeat the same problematic view a few days later as if I had never spoken up, and Mum will just argue then get upset if I don’t back down. She’s also a fan of the “I’m older therefore wiser” card and will play it when she wants to insist she’s right without any further confrontation. I’m 12 years older than you Troubelle, yet I’m in the same boat.

Honestly I’ve started to lose respect for my parents and my brother feels the same way. It’s worse that Mum wants me to “talk more” and “connect with us more” but there’s a list of things I just can’t bring up with her including personal topics as well. C’est la vie. It’s a shame but people do change as they get older. Don’t get me wrong, I love my parents to bits. I just don’t like them all that much. And I feel kinda bad for saying that.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago

Dad will simply repeat the same problematic view a few days later as if I had never spoken up, and Mum will just argue then get upset if I don’t back down. She’s also a fan of the “I’m older therefore wiser” card and will play it when she wants to insist she’s right without any further confrontation. I’m 12 years older than you Troubelle, yet I’m in the same boat.

It’s worse that Mum wants me to “talk more” and “connect with us more” but there’s a list of things I just can’t bring up with her including personal topics as well.

Gosh, all that sounds familiar…

<3 sunnysombrera

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

Don’t get me wrong, I love my parents to bits. I just don’t like them all that much. And I feel kinda bad for saying that.

There’s no reason to feel bad about that. You tried, you honestly and seriously did try to reason with them, in fact it even actually worked to some extent ! That’s the best thing one can do for another, and especially a child for their parents.

It’s their own fault if they slid back, and just as they weren’t entitled to the effort you made in making them think about it for a moment then, they still aren’t now. The fact that you still try is entirely to your credit, and it’s much more than should be expected from you.

It’s normal to be disappointed in them. It doesn’t change much to the fact that you love them, but you have every right to not like what they’re getting to, especially after you’ve spent all that time trying to help.

As always, thanks everyone for sharing the difficult personal bits. It lets the rest of us know that we’re not alone, but also that the difficulties we each face vary wildly. It’s two very healthy reminders and it’s super important these days.

Snowberry
Snowberry
3 years ago

We are all born as “magical thinkers”. We have to be, as babies don’t have much of a mental framework to make sense of the world with.

Most people start to grow out of it by about age 6. But some never finish growing out of it, and a few never grow at all. These people rarely have a well-developed sense of logic or morality. (They might still learn to be highly moral, but the reasoning behind their moral behavior is still highly grounded in magical thinking.) And to my personal observation, the noisier magical thinkers are exemplars of Dunning-Kruger.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Snowberry
“Magical thinking” is fair, but the underlying instinct has good and bad expressions. Symbolic thought just is. I’m not trying to criticize as much as I am trying to expand on.

One of my favorite ways of looking at it is through ideas about cognitive development. The pre-operational stage in Piaget’s theories on cognitive contains a stage called the symbolic function substage. This stage between the ages of two to four is when a new logical ability comes online in the mind, the ability to form a connection between two things. What things get connected is shaped by culture and inherited predispositions.

It’s more accurate to say that as we age the symbolic function is accompanied by other mental abilities that come online. Children between two and four do what they do and they can’t be considered to to have blame when they connect any two things for fun, or for fear, or have things connected for them. But the symbolic function is still there and we still have a great many ways to connect two things as individuals and society. In fact I would say that culture has a great impact on what cognitive abilities are emphasized and how they are used.

A perusal through the rest of the stages of cognitive development reveals lots of mental phenomena that are clearly tied to things like bigotry. Egocentrism (the ability to distinguish between your perspective and another person’s) is strong in the symbolic function substage.

Between ages 4-7 centration (focus on one aspect and neglect other aspects), conservation (altering shape does not alter properties), irreversibility (can’t mentally reverse a process or order of events), class inclusion (can’t understand that a category has subcategories yet), and transitive inference (using previous knowledge in mental logical operations like determining a missing piece (they can’t do this at 4-7) are relevant ways that the mind does things. These are mental actions as real as what we do with our hands.

These people have the hardware and the capacity to create the software that could allow them to understand the world as it is. Or grow empathy for people not like them. But their culture manipulates how they think and altering it requires outside insertions of information and experience in order to change how they think about other people, how they experience other people and how they remember other people.

@Vucodlak

Angry Since 11/09/2016
Angry Since 11/09/2016
3 years ago

When people try to say racism is over, I disagree and roll my eyes so far back in my head I can see brain matter….these people are a great reason why I think angry white men are the terrorists we need to be wary of in the USA.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@John,

WOW. That woke me up. Great stuff. How … how does she do ballet to it, though?

Writing: this is unrelated I think to your particular issues, but it’s seriously adorable. Stop-motion film of Shakespeare with writer’s block over the ending of Romeo & Juliet; little stick figures try to help him. Pay close attention to the posters on Will’s walls 🙂

This is a blindingly obvious & mundane suggestion, but have you tried looking into how other writers deal with blocks & problems? I love this article’s coverage; writers discussing all manner of obstacles, like fear of finishing, perfectionism, motivation…

I wish I knew enough French to read your stuff!

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@Brony,

Hope you had a good sleep 🙂
The first time I saw your nym, I thought of ‘cenobite’ as in monk or member of a religious order, and I liked the idea of a ‘monk of social justice’. Not quite the same thing as a Clive Barker cenobite!

The different versions of demonic influence are interesting. I remember (though I’ve tried not to) a certain church that my family went to during a particularly fundamentalist phase, where the speaker would pick out random people in the congregation and claim that they were possessed by a demon. The poor people would have to go up to the stage and be exorcised. Children were not exempt.

The instinct to dehumanize and avoid has to have vulnerabilities.

Now that is intriguing.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Mish
Re: demons.
First I have to point out that I’m coming from a western perspective on this one. My family was of a very conservative protestant kind and a military kind. I grew up during the last decade of the cold war, I remember the satanic ritual abuse scare that hit the US in the 80s, my families church regularly had creationist, anti-LGBT, and other speakers. My family also banned some pop-culture for reasons that basically included “occult” and “supernatural elements”. There was much othering in my background because social conflict and national conflict was a theme of my upbringing.

The TS-demon link comes from papers like this(1). And other research and historical references that discuss TS in terms of urges to do the opposite of what is socially expected or typical(2). “Demon” in that sense does not perfectly map onto what might get called a demon in other cultures. My experience includes urges and sensations that feel external to me. A need to do something with no apparent source. Given the array of ways that “demon” is used in western culture it’s likely that other things than TS will intersect with it.
There is a decidedly social aspect to it (especially in social dominance/symbolism aspects) and the condition is associated with many patterned language phenomena. The social uses of demon outside of things like TS typically involve blame for actions of people being shifted. The attention can be moved from a group (“It’s not me it’s the demons!) or towards a group (“They are working with demons/used by demons for evil purposes!”).

I think that it has to do with the fact that we are networked biological computers and the system for transmitting social information involves attention focusing, shifting, symbolic connections and maps of our very bodies and emotional states.

Re: vulnerabilities.
I’m still mulling it over.
The system has rules. It deals with positive and negative feelings and associated transformations in person or symbolic form. I’ve seen it in simplified form in the behavior of children. When adult negative social attention is focused on a young child they can try to shift the attention by starting a conflict with a peer physically or verbally to move it from them to a wider set of people. I’ve seen them mock or hit each other and try to get to the authority figure first and claim the victim did what the aggressor did. And I’ve seen adult versions like #notallmen that basically tries to shift perspective and social attention from people acting badly, and #alllivesmatter. I’ve seen it in the paranoid projection of bigots expecting a race war that they then use in a self-fulfilling prophecy to justify social violations and arms accumulation.

There has to be a way to “monkey-wrench” it, subvert it, flip the transitions and polarities in an efficient manner. Or at least refine the workings to do it well with some morals and ethics with respect to reality and other concerns. It’s like how one person’s humor can be a weapon to another person.

(1)

Pope Inocencius VIII supported the publication of the
Malleus Maleficarum (Fig 1) written by two Dominican
monks5. In the book, they reported the case of a priest with
no clear signs of cognitive dysfunction or eccentricities,
which exhibited abnormal tongue movements, vocal tics and
coprolalia whenever he kneeled in reverence of the Virgin
Mary. He said that he couldn’t prevent those behaviours from
happening.
The priest’s symptoms were attributed to an act of the
Demon and he was “cured” by an act of Exorcism5. In the
same book, there’s also the account of a woman who uttered
obscenities compulsively during the mass, which could be interpreted as coprolalia at the exact moment that the priest
gave the final blessing, the Dominus Oubiscum. These should probably be the first written reports of persons with TS, whosesymptoms were interpreted as signs of demonic possession, which resulted in them being targeted by the Inquisition and, not surprisingly, ending up in a fiery death at the stake.

(2)

Non-obscene socially inappropriate symptoms (NOSIS) in Tourette syndrome (TS) include urges to make insulting remarks about a person’s physical characteristics (e.g. “big nose”) and other socially disruptive behaviors (e.g. shouting “bomb” at an airport).

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

@sunnysombrera

I have always always had the personal mantra of do unto others what you’d want done to you, despite the conservative “quirks” of my upbringing.

Yay! That’s been my mantra too, for as long as I can remember. When in doubt, I refer back to it.

My parents were right-wing fundamentalists, but the concept of the Golden Rule was (seemingly) almost impossible for my father to grasp and (seemingly) sometimes challenging for my mother to grasp.

And yet for a Christian, what could be more conservative? Jesus said it –and he referenced Jewish law and the Jewish teachers who came before him:

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets (Matthew 7:12).

Kat
Kat
3 years ago

@Sinkable John

the worst I’ve ever had happen to me was to be threatened with the gun, not shot at with.

That’s awful!

I’m so sorry that happened to you, and I hope you’ve come to some sense of peace about this incident.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

@Mish

How … how does she do ballet to it, though?

I have no idea.
I think she hasn’t internalized yet that there are supposed to be “proper” kinds of dance for different kinds of music. So she just does it. Probably a good example of “it’s supposed to be impossible, but she doesn’t know that, so nothing’s stopping her”.

At any rate, I’m taking her with me the next time I see these guys in concerts. Plus they’re awfully nice and they make sure it’s absolutely safe for even the youngest kids, even with all the drugs and beer going around. It’s a pretty unique environment.

Now, (sorry if you already knew that) Bella Ciao is a partisan song that was written and sung by Italian anti-facists during the civil war in the 1940s, and has since been sung in various languages by anti-fascists and internationalists.

And this band is, in part, former Bérurier Noir members – the band that redefined the punk movement in France and gave it that strong activist slant. They’re the reason why we have so many “old punks” who are active in voluntary work organizing concerts and solidarity events. Now they do breton punk and still tour the country, making all their stops in the communities and spaces that they helped create. Ehh to be fair, that’s the kind of environment I was in before that whole ostracism thing… which is kind of ironic I guess.

We’ve got a wonderful thing going here thanks to these guys, and I think my niece is aware of that to a certain extent. It doesn’t hurt that half her family, including her aunt (who’s also her godmother), her mother, and her uncle (who’s also her godfather, and oh hey that’s me) come from that very environment.

Okay I’m done rambling.

@Kat

Thank you 🙂
I can’t complain about the aftermath, though. It was 4am, and my friend and I were very drunk when it happened, walking and trying to make our way home to sleep after a concert. It was all kinda hazy and we only fully realized what the fuck had happened after we got home to safety. It was definitely our worst experience of police abuse but all in all it wasn’t that much worse than what we’d come to expect. We also got pretty lucky that they couldn’t read Yiddish – it’s probably not a great idea to go anywhere near a cop when there’s a huge Daloy politsey on your shirt…

FreddyMurray
FreddyMurray
3 years ago

Even if there was the tiniest grain of truth to Cer-nitwit’s* nonsensical “observations”, the obvious solution would be to hire more black cops.

Black cops would be less likely to be racist to black civilians, so the civvies will be less tense around the cops and the cops won’t feel threatened. Problem solved.

Unless there’s something I’m missing and this is easier said than done.

*Yeah, that’s what I’ve decided to call him.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

@FreddyMurray

Unless there’s something I’m missing and this is easier said than done.

Well, pretty much, yeah.

Not too sure about America but if France is any indication, it’s not that simple. There’s a whole lotta peer pressure going on in there, doubly so on cops who are also minorities.

Dalillama, Effort Chicken
Dalillama, Effort Chicken
3 years ago

@Sinkable John
I had no idea that Breton punk was even a thing, this is excellent.

@FreddyMurray

Unless there’s something I’m missing and this is easier said than done.

The short answer is yes, you are, and yes, it is. The long answer is a whole bunch of books and scholarly articles on exactly that topic. Most of which I haven’t in fact read, so understand that the following is a really superficial look at the matter.

The first problem with simply hiring more PoCs as police is that existing police forces range from really fucking racist to actual branches of the Klan. ‘Hostile work environment’ does not begin to cover it. This also means that it’s going to be very rare that black officers end up in positions where they can set policy in any fashion.

The second problem, although this relates to the first, is that, basically, members of oppressed groups have to work twice as hard for half the recognition, and in the context of U.S. policing ‘working hard’ means ‘arresting a lot of PoCs’. And I’m sure you can see the problem from there.

I genuinely do not believe that police reform is at all possible in any meaningful sense without literally disbanding every law enforcement agency in the country and rebuilding from the ground up.

Podkayne
Podkayne
3 years ago

C.S. Friedman explored this much better than these guys in her ‘Coldfire Trilogy’. Of course, we do not actually live on a planet that manifests our nightmares back at us.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago