This lovely meme, found in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, pretty unreadable even at full resolution. But it’s not too hard to see what point the meme-maker was trying to get across.
Naturally, Reddit’s MGTOWs have many thoughts on this subject.
Like these:
And these:
Wait, am I reading this correctly? Has the legendary Chad Thundercock been replaced by his brother Chuck?
I feel kinda bad for the models who posed for the stock photos MGTOWs love to appropriate for their memes. No one wants to discover one day that they’ve become the focus of a MGTOW two-minute hate.
Memes should not contain fine print that you have to squint to read.
I’m not reading all of that but at least I could if I want to, which is more than I can say about most of the shit they produce.
3/10
Yay, when I’m on summer teaching hours I get to see new WHTM posts as soon as they hit my inbox!!!
*reads post*
Oh.
I am now feeling torn between wanting to make fun of this ridiculous, pathetic, non-factual monstrosity, and taking it personally (yes, feels, not logic). Single mums abound in my family, and yet our number of criminals is fairly proportional, I believe.
Idiots.
I want to come up with some pithy explanation for the concept of “correlation does not equal causation” and a backhanded statement of just how little understanding they have of the world based on the conclusion they drew.
But my patience is limited and the target oblivious, so I’ll just note they’re a bunch of raging, blinkered diarrhetic assholes who couldn’t miss so many points any harder if they simply threw themselves on a set of steak knives.
So according to CyanideCookiez, single moms are horrible, but any man who seeks to make them no longer single (dating being a nigh-necessary precursor to marriage) is beneath contempt?
What solution to this “scourge” would he propose then?
“Upbring your child”?
I feel like upchucking all over the asshole who wrote that.
Also, I can’t imagine what they would say about widowed mothers. Or gay ones.
I often wonder what kind of mothering they themselves got, but I suspect it’s best answered with “Not ever nearly enough to suit their spoiled narcissistic asses.”
I’m mystified. Where’s the dads in this picture? Don’t they have some responsibility to uh, not be deadbeats to their children, and the mothers of their children? Yet these MGTOW types blame the ladies, despite also wanting that “paper abortion” thing, which would essentially allow them to be deadbeats without any repercussion.
What gives? These dudes want it both ways.
Yeah because feelings are never a good thing to bring into the raising of a child. Children should only be treated with cold unfeeling detachment. That’s what creates healthy adults.
All of the criminals in my family come from married households between a cis man and cis woman. None of the queer or single parents have criminal children. Checkmate, manosphere.
@Ray,
“I want to come up with some pithy explanation for the concept of “correlation does not equal causation””
My personal favorite is: the plural of anecdote is not data.
The… the baby?
Oh. You mean the person caring for and loving the baby. Well all right then.
I’m a little depressed that my first reaction to this was surprise that they used a white model.
Who else, upon first hearing the name “Chad Thundercock”, assumed it was that of a porn star?
This movement is failing horribly. I have never seen men more obsessed with women than the migtoes.
Maybe he referred to Upchuck, the legendary playboy of Lawndale High.
I couldn’t help myself – I squinted and read the tiny print. There’s a handful of actual, credible sources in there, but all of these factoids have been circulating for years, mostly on men’s rights pages (I know, what a surprise).
Some of the figures are from the early 1990s; some cover only one state (a US one of course); many are from religious ‘pro-family’ groups. And so on.
But look! Here’s a peer-reviewed, up-to-date study that covers an actually significant number of children and parents, and it has found that “quality of parenting” (regardless of gender) is what counts for various outcomes in children’s wellbeing.
What could possibly explain this discrepancy?
Wonder how many of these guys are dads?
Wonder how many of these guys are good dads?
http://33.media.tumblr.com/48152f20ccd49e24d78ce8c3476608d8/tumblr_mi6pdjSzuI1r3l41yo2_250.gif
b – but the plural of anecdote is data! (Biased, unfiltered, raw data, but still!)
((sorry, that one’s sort of a pet peeve of mine! :s ))
I think they kind of have to. They have contempt for women of color who are single moms, but racism keeps that at a certain emotional distance, because the black single mom isn’t the woman they were supposed to have.
Ah, but single white mom! She was the woman they were supposed to have, and instead she had sex with a bunch of good-looking men who may or may not be related to Chad Thundercock, and got pregnant. That’s personal. She owed them sex, but she had sex with men she found attractive instead, and she had a baby, and now probably thinks the baby is more important than them and their sexual needs.
I was surprised as well. maybe this is their way of trying to prove they’re not racist, “See we hate woman of all colors” or some shit like that.
I used to laugh at the MGTOWs, but I must admit that I now wish that these oxygen thieves would, well, stop thieving oxygen.
So let me get this straight..
According to the manosphere (MRAs, Red Pill, Mgtow, etc)
A married woman is bad because she’s mooching off a man and nagging him, just being lazy and eating Bon bons
But a single woman (mom) is bad too because she needs to be with a man, working outside the home (aka entering a man’s space) and mooching off the “daddy government”
So in short: men could do no wrong, everything a woman does is wrong. But they say we are the emotional and illogical ones???
Don’t forget, Fruitloopsie – single women with no kids are also soulless bitches who take jobs from Real Men ™
@Scildfreja Unnýðnes
I’d be surprised if any of these guys are dads, frankly. Now, if the question was about whether their dad and mom divorced and they never saw dad afterwards or if he got himself a new wife and new kids while ignoring them…that sounds more likely.
Some other related stuff…
That P.A.S. (parental alienation syndrome) has recently been scrutinized and many mental health professionals have denounced it. There was a surge in family court cases where P.A.S. was alleged back in the 90’s, then it faded and returned once again in the last oh….6-8 years.
I am a family law attorney. Only once have I had a client who knee-jerked and needed some blunt advisement on why not to take the children and go on the lam (and who wasn’t in need of DV services and shelter). It can get overwhelming with how often I have to deal with assholes who don’t want to pay for their kids whatsoever – if opposing counsel gets fed up with their own client lying to them about the kids being on their health insurance policy, that’s a really bad sign – but it’s a special kind of raging chancre-on-the-ass-of-life who is so intent on destroying their soon-to-be-ex that they refuse to give up until a family court judge gives them custody and tries every trick that worked in a case once, P.A.syndrome, false allegations of abuse with CPS called in to investigate, refusing to return the children at the arranged time (this usually is to allow the asshead more time to convince the kids that their mom is a bad woman who hurts them), and they’ve got money to burn unlike their former spouse, so they can keep the dog and pony show going for as long as they need to until she gives up. Honestly, becoming a single mom whose kids’ have a deadbeat dad that won’t pay child support is preferable to “SUPER-DICKHEAD” ™-dad.
@Scildfreja
The function is undefined
@Scildfreja Unnýðnes
I’m guessing quite a few have fathered children (that does not make them Dads)
None of them are good Dads by definition – they’ve gone their own way and hate the mother of their children. I certain that NONE of them make a full contribution towards the financial burden of their children.
I love that it doesn’t even occur to them that many single moms are widows.
OP is 100% spot on. If I had not chosen so poorly then I would not be a single mother now. I should have known my abusive ex would fall down the alt-right rabbit hole and become a racist, sexist, Trump-supporting, Breitbart reading, custody interfering p.o.s.
PAS is bullshit and there’s no scientific evidence for it. It’s a blame-shifting tactic abusers use when they’re desperate to avoid losing control in a custody dispute.
So… single moms are the worst who do damage to their kids by raising them while single, but men who date single moms and help support the child(ren) and bring the family unit closer to a nuclear family… are also the worst? Seriously, you’d think that if single moms are so bad at parenting that these knuckleheads would be thrilled that a child had access to a steady male parent figure. It’s almost like it’s more about condemning the woman for choices they don’t approve of rather than any concern for the child! Golly gosh gee, should someone tell them?
Ugh, I just woke up and it is waaaaaay too early for me to deal with this whole hot mess at the moment. So let me just say this:
MGTOWS and everything they stand for can go shove it.
It drives me insane that they don’t even get that «39% of inmates were raised by a single mom, 4% by a single dad» (or whatever it was) does not by itself give ANY INDICATION about the percentage of children raised by single moms/single dads who became inmates.
Deadbeat dads, yes. Who whine incessantly about all the child support they never pay.
I’ve seen this meme before. What puzzles me is why they picked a stock photo of a wholesome, healthy, young but not teenage woman with a happy baby? Why not go searching for some offensive stereotype welfare/trailer mom? It’s not like the internet isn’t awash with that kind of thing.
I am not surprised that none of their ire is directed at the men who impregnate and then abandon these women. They’re just bitter that other people are breeding, and that some of the tax they pay might be going towards raising other people’s children.
Thank you for that, msexceptiontotherule. I learned something.
@Scildfreja : “the plural of anecdote is not data” refer to the fact that anecdotes are already filtered. We only talk about unusual or interesting anecdote, which is why a collection of anecdote isn’t raw data at all. With work I am pretty sure I can find 100.000 anecdotes about muslims in France, and about 75% of them will be about them being the scum of the earth while the remaining 25% will them being the incarnation of patience and forgiveness. That’s not datas that would prove that muslims are alway either superheroes or villains.
That infographic make me wonder how their brain function. Do they have an internal unconscious censor for anything that disagree with their worldview ? Or are they aware of their dishonesty ?
@Mish
Well, that is a surprise!
I’ve certainly never known MRAs to be slipshod in their research.
Or liars.
It’s got to be a typo. The writer cited some mainstream reference when he meant to cite The KKK Journal of Marriage and the Family.
Definitely, guys. Definitely.
Any one of you would have been a much better partner to this single mom than the (dead? absentee?) guy was. You’ve got it all over him in terms of looks, charm, and brains. The fact that this unsupervised woman couldn’t see it just explains — duh! — why she needs supervision. And there would have been no money problems, no communication issues, health challenges, or any other kind of problem — because you would have been supervising her.
And any one of you would have been a superb dad to this baby were he yours. (He’s not of course, and he’s got no dad, so he can just go to hell. Serves him right for having a missing dad.) There would have been no fussiness from a teething baby, no learning disorders, no “Dad, I crashed the car” problems. Because you would have been supervising both of them.
But she wouldn’t let you do her thinking for her, and because of that you now have no wife or kid.
So you do the next best thing, which is to vilify mothers who have no husbands. Good way to spend your time!
@Ohlmann
My theory is that MRAs recognize that it’s dishonest. But they love to read bad stuff about women — who for some strange reason won’t give them the time of day. And MRAs might have such a casual acquaintance with the truth that they end up believing this stuff just because they want to.
@rugbyyogi
Congrats on leaving that asshat. I think you were still with him when I started commenting here a few years ago? Unless I have you mixed up with some other unfortunate person.
@Kat,
As usual, your posts are brilliant and hilarious. My personal favourite:
I am ashamed to say that my comment above (about research) may have been badly worded. The peer-reviewed study that I linked to was not included in the mgtow meme – I found it via Google Scholar (took less than 5 minutes) and it was intended to show the contrast between actual scholarly research versus Assfax University sources.
I may have been mildly irritated when I commented, thus less than clear expression. My bad 🙁
Waaaayyyyy off topic…
… it’s starting…. (it won’t go far enough, but it’s at least happening)
So you’re a woman who sleeps with/are in a relationship with an MRA guy.
If you get pregnant and have an abortion, you’re killing his child.
If you get pregnant and want him to stay and help raise your mutual baby, you’re destroying his freedom.
If you get pregnant and he leaves, you’re forcing him into paying child support.
If you get pregnant and he leaves and you don’t press the child support, you’re a worthless single mother whose child will probably turn criminal.
If you use birth control, you’re a selfish bitch for not wanting children.
And they wonder why it’s so hard for them to get a partner.
@Mish
Oops, that was my bad.
Thank you for the compliment. I find that MRAs bring out my most sarcastic of sarcasm. Thanks, MRM!
There was a study a while back, where children living with parents who have a healthy relationship is good. Single parenting was better than rearing a child in a broken relationship. Best of all (in terms of emotional health and future prospects) were children raised in womens shelters under the care of multiple single mothers.
It all boiled down to time I seem to remember. A relationship failing has less time for children than a single parent would have, and that in turn has less time for children than a healthy relationship would have, and in the shelters, children could have the shared time of more several parental figures. Can’t find the study now, so I could be wrong, but most studies I can find on the subject still boil it all down to time first, money second.
msexceptiontotherule: ugh, what you describe is exactly what I’m hearing in a relative’s custody proceedings (albeit with genders flipped). CPS calls, endless proceedings, trying to convince the kids their dad is a bad dad, refusing to hand over the kids in a reasonable way. They’re both high income, so they’ve kept this nonsense up for a couple years already with no sign of any ending.
You know what would help that meme. Comic sans. Comic sans, baby.
My guess is because they think all women are the problem, not just trailer trash, and they want to challenge the idea that this happy young woman is fit to raise her own child.
My guess as to why they picked a conventionally attractive woman is because they want to specify which target to hate.
If she were a Black woman or a fat white woman, then they might get distracted by hating fat people or Black people. If she had tattoos or dyed hair, they might get distracted by hating people who want to control their own bodies. By making sure she fits their definition of an ideal human being in every way but one, this makes sure that when their fellow MRAs see the image, they know whom they’re supposed to hate.
Scary:
Michael Flynn’s conspiracy-minded son, who tweeted about the “Pizzagate” theory, is on Donald Trump’s transition team
The son of Trump’s national security adviser is on a white supremacist social media platform.
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/06/michael-flynns-conspiracy-minded-son-who-tweeted-about-the-pizzagate-theory-is-on-donald-trumps-transition-team/
But take a look at this:
Veterans at Standing Rock shock tribe members, beg forgiveness for war crimes against tribal nations
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/5/1607591/-Veterans-at-Standing-Rock-shock-tribe-members-beg-forgiveness-for-war-crimes-against-tribal-nations
Damn!