One of the strange superpowers of the modern Manosphere intellectual is the ability to pontificate endlessly, and with utmost confidence, on a subject — feminism — that they know absolutely nothing about. You could even say they know less than nothing about it, in that the few things they do think they know about it are completely and utterly wrong.
Today, the reliably terrible Return of Kings posted a prime example of what we might call the manosphere-splaining of feminism in the form of a post (archived here) by Beau Albrecht with the patronizing title “An Open Letter To Women Who Still Believe In Feminism.”
In other words, a guy who doesn’t know crap about feminism has decided to explain feminism to women who do actually know something about it. To paraphrase Mary McCarthy’s famous dis of Lillian Hellman, pretty much every word of Albrecht’s post is wrong, including “and” and “the.”
The post goes completely off the rails by the second paragraph:
I’m here to discuss radical feminism, which is the only variety that gets much attention and media access.
Like most antifeminists, Albrecht doesn’t actually know what radical feminism is, or what sets it apart from non-radical feminism, simply using it as a synonym for “all the feminists I don’t like,” a group that pretty much includes, well, all feminists except for mythologized first-wave feminists who were all polite and stuff, and possibly anti-feminist “feminists” like Christina Hoff Sommers.
Since the Second Wave arose—beginning in the mid-1950s, and kicking into high gear in the mid-1960s—feminism has been telling you that we live under a patriarchy, men are responsible for all your problems (“the personal is political”), we’re a bunch of evildoers, and so forth.
Here’s my Open Letter to dudes trying to explain feminism to feminists:
Dear dudes trying to explain feminism to feminists,
It helps if you get the basic facts about feminism straight.
Love, David
PS: Second wave feminism didn’t start in the 1950s; it started, very tentatively, in the early 1960s and only really took off on the late 1960s.
PPS: What difference does it make if you’re off by five or ten years in your dates, you ask? Because history involving women matters as much as history involving men. If you were writing an essay about Ronald Reagan and you said he had been elected to the presidency in 1972 or 1976, everyone reading your essay would know that you don’t know crap about crap.
PPPS: I mean, this is all stuff you could look up in two seconds on Wikipedia, or with a single Google search.
Albrecht continues on in this fashion, piling nonsense upon nonsense; his attempts to rebut statistics showing that a significant number of female college students are raped every year are undercut not only by his disingenuous use of stats but also by the fact that he keeps referring to said female college students as “coeds,” which conjures up images like the one at the start of this post.
The rest of Albrecht’s post is a collection of manosphere clichés we’ve all seen dozens of times. He suggests that the root case of misogyny is women being mean — and that some men are so disgusted by snarky women that they literally turn themselves gay, “finding it to be better than nothing.” He mentions sexbots, and Japanese “herbivores,” and “cultural Marxism.” He declares that antifeminists like him “care about you more than the feminists.”
There is the obligatory reference to Sex and the City, which Albrecht naturally refers to as Sex in the City.
If you spend your 20s partying and “finding yourself” as you’ve been encouraged to do, don’t expect Mr. Big to be waiting around patiently to sweep you off your feet after you’ve aged and decided it’s time to settle down. Actually, many Mr. Bigs used to be those nerds you wouldn’t have given a second look to back in college.
Sex and the City is such a completely fresh and original cultural reference that it’s likely many of Albrecht’s manosphere readers are going to spend much of the night tonight creepily hitting on women born after the show first went on the air in 1998.
There’s even a genuine “we hunted the mammoth” moment as Albrecht tries to convince women of the many fine benefits of patriarchy:
It was all on us to provide for you and the kids; be it by working on an assembly line all day, in a coal mine, digging ditches, or under the hot sun tilling the fields. … We got drafted in wars to protect you. We let you have first place on lifeboats. Meanwhile, women were tending the children and doing housework. All told, it wasn’t quite such a bad trade-off for women.
Look at this picture of men gallantly farming away for their pampered stay-at-home wives.
I don’t know why they’re all dressed as women. Probably just some gleaner thing.
Perhaps the most telling moment in the post comes during Albrecht’s attempt to prove that rape culture isn’t real.
Think about it a minute. We’re bigger and stronger than you. If we really were savages, we would be doing whatever we wanted to you, especially if that truly was approved by our culture. The reason you don’t have to pepper spray someone every day is that the vast majority of us are actually decent, civilized people. There are a few exceptions; they end up going to prison, and rightly so, where they’re despised even by the other criminals.
There’s just a teensy bit of an irony in the fact that Albrecht is posting this on a site run by everybody’s favorite repugnant “pickup artist” Roosh Valizadeh, an allegedly “ironic” proponent of rape legalization who has himself been accused of rape.
Yeah, the rest of this post isn’t going to be terribly funny.
In his book Bang Iceland, Roosh offered this account of one of his “dates,” if they can be called that:
While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she couldn’t legally give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated.
I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do.
In a book called 30 Bangs, Roosh wrote about his inability to take no for an answer:
It took four hours of foreplay and at least thirty repetitions of “No, Roosh, no” until she allowed my penis to enter her vagina. No means no—until it means yes.
Roosh went on to note that:
The sex was painful for her … She whimpered like a wounded puppy dog the entire time, but I really wanted to have an orgasm, so I was “almost there” for about ten minutes. After sex she sobbed for a good while … .
In Bang Ukraine, Roosh wrote this about a woman he got into an argument with during sex:
She tried to squirm away while I was laying down my strokes so I had to use some muscle to prevent her from escaping.
Apparently some men really are savages, at least by Albrecht’s definition of the term.
By the time he started talking about how men are bigger and stronger and basically how might makes right, I couldn’t deal any more. Too much wrong in one sitting.
If they would listen to me, I would tell them a few things:
1. True *most* men are bigger than *most* women, but we humans come in different shapes and sizes. There are small men who are smaller than most women–are they not real men? Same with large women who are bigger than most men–are they not real women?
2. “Stronger” *laughs like Hillary Clinton* Human strength is as varied as human size but women are just as strong as men, but in different ways. Men may typically be able to lift more (many women can seriously lift too) but women tend to have greater endurance.
3. Even if it were true that all men are bigger and stronger than all women, doesn’t mean might means right and that men deserve a freaking medal for showing basic human decency.
As for the aging thing–we all at different rates, cupcake. I’m a 25-year-old crone but still get carded when I get a drink.
Speaking of drinks, I seem to need one.
Would somebody please give these guys a few history lessons.
re: Mans are Stronger than Womans!
That argument from the manosphere always makes me angry. It’s a circular argument! The metrics we use to measure strength are the areas in which men are stronger than women, upper body strength etcetera. So of course those metrics show men as being stronger. If we were to take lower body strength as the metric for overall strength, women would be considered the stronger sex (by the same narrow and not-really-important margin that men are considered stronger today).
It’s so transparently biased! It’s like, A, B, C, D, E, F are all way in which people can be strong, A-C have a slight advantage to men and D-F have a slight advantage to women. But of course only A-C matter, because men are stronger, right? So the other metrics don’t matter. Oh! Look! This shows scientifically that men are stronger than women who could have predicted this totally rational outcome isnt science amaze!
why are humans so terrible guyse i don’t get it
Mish – Oh, my! Your kitty with the foofy tail!! Floooooooooffyyyyy. I had a cat growing up that had more than a little Main Coon in him. He was also floofy and VERY vain about his tail! His floofy, foofy tail.
*glancing around* Please don’t mention this carrying on of mine to Catbeast who is my first shorthair. He looks very much like IP’s black kitty and I love him to death!
My mom worked an assembly line very much like the first pic in Paradoxy’s post. She got so good at it that she made almost as much as my dad did driving a forklift for Douglas Aircraft. I think she actually matched his earnings if you subtract the shift differential my dad got. This was in 1960.
Women tend to be more flexible. I’ve noticed that flexibility is rarely included when people talk about physical/athletic abilities.
@wwth, almost like things women are good at are considered inferior or something :O
(Sorry, I am a ball of cynicism today. I am an onion)
@rugbyyogi
Nice work! I got another Ditto today. :p
I’m missing these:
Charizard
Venusaur
Kabutops
Chansey
Farfetch’d
Kangaskhan
The first three are just a matter of walking. The last two obviously require travelling. Chansey, who the hell knows. I still have never seen one.
Women are also generally better at not being super annoying 100% of the time.
Once again all the women who have served in various conflicts over the past few thousand years are ignored…
I mean “we armied for you wimmins!” is a common argument from these people but that ignores evreything from Tomoe Gozen fighting alongside male samurai to the 588th killing Nazis with modified crop-dusters.
You remind me of last Thursday
shudder
@Scildfreja
You ok? What about last Thursday?
@Axe *wince* some people actually had great respect and admiration for Castro. Please don’t be so American about every political death ? Please read about him from a non American or British source.
@WWTH: True! I was gonna put flexible in there too but sometimes rants give me a bit of brain-fog
Second wave feminism and radical feminism are really two different movements. The second wave was mainly focused on promoting equal opportunity for women in education and employment and it was at its height during the late 1960’s through the 1970’s.
The major theoretical works of radical feminism were written in the 1970’s and 1980’s and it was popular during the 1980’s and early 1990’s. Radical feminism focuses on sexual violence and rejecting the notion that patriarchy is “natural” or pre-determined by biology. Radfems support anti-discrimination laws but feel they don’t go far enough in guaranteeing actual equality.
IP said
I think it’s more like we’re trained from birth to be that way to men.
Also, someone’s probably never worked retail. Ten years of retail work has shown me that women customers who are annoying get less so when speaking to a male manager.
I think the willingness of the Left to sweep aside Castro’s crimes because he was a thorn in the side of the US does them a great disservice. As does dismissing any and every critique of him as being merely US/British propaganda.
If Trump in power did a fraction of what Castro did to silence dissent there would be uproar. I don’t get it.
I did quite like Amnesty International’s statement on him. It was very measured.
I still want to know why if being a homemaker is the greatest thing in the world, why men like the writer aren’t fighting to do it instead of convincing women to do it instead.
It doesn’t pass the sniff test…
StephToe said
IKR?
@Hambeast
Fair points. But I still think men are more annoying.
@Ddog
This gone be good
My mistake. A nonzero number of people indeed liked Castro. Lemme speak for myself then. Fuck him
Uhm… Wat?
That’s rather presumptuous, innit?
Didn’t he kill people for speaking out against him and his ideology? And kicked out over a million people from Cuba for the same reason? And kept people in prison for the same reason? Because he was a dictator? Stop me if I’m wrong here.
Some people also had (and still have!) great respect and admiration for Hitler and Stalin, but that doesn’t make them a whit less evil.
Yeah, fuck Castro. Seriously. It really comes across as hyper privileged to say you respect or admire a dictator in some country that you personally don’t have to live in. Trudeau should be forced to shave his head as punishment for his stupid statement.
My wife’s family fled from Cuba shortly after the Bay of Pigs. To this day, abuela doesn’t want to talk about the Cuba days. She’s not grieving Castro today.
@IP, thank you. I’m okay! I was invited out by a friend for a fancy dinner with some others, and the experience was terrible. The other guys were prototypical sexist assholes, and in that environment (fancy club-like restaurant with good looking wait staff and women dressed for a night out) they were horrendous. Right down to the laughing comments about how-to-be-an-alpha-man, and the requisite comments about how they just can’t look away from dat ass cause the woman across the room is bending over. My favourite part was the jokes about how the dip they served with the churros looked like semen, followed by how much they’d like to see me drink it. That’s about when I said I had to get home (to find a parking ticket on my car, of course, because that’s how that day went)
So, yeah. Apparently I get to pick the restaurant next time! What a lovely opportunity.
The whole experience caught me entirely off guard, because this was the second dinner. First one was a nice quiet izakaya (Japanese pub) and beyond a little bit of arrogance from one of them, it was a really nice experience, really pleasant overall. I guess they felt more comfortable with me for the second dinner so didn’t feel as much of a need to self-censor.
Needless to say, I’m not super excited about a third dinner!