One of the strange superpowers of the modern Manosphere intellectual is the ability to pontificate endlessly, and with utmost confidence, on a subject — feminism — that they know absolutely nothing about. You could even say they know less than nothing about it, in that the few things they do think they know about it are completely and utterly wrong.
Today, the reliably terrible Return of Kings posted a prime example of what we might call the manosphere-splaining of feminism in the form of a post (archived here) by Beau Albrecht with the patronizing title “An Open Letter To Women Who Still Believe In Feminism.”
In other words, a guy who doesn’t know crap about feminism has decided to explain feminism to women who do actually know something about it. To paraphrase Mary McCarthy’s famous dis of Lillian Hellman, pretty much every word of Albrecht’s post is wrong, including “and” and “the.”
The post goes completely off the rails by the second paragraph:
I’m here to discuss radical feminism, which is the only variety that gets much attention and media access.
Like most antifeminists, Albrecht doesn’t actually know what radical feminism is, or what sets it apart from non-radical feminism, simply using it as a synonym for “all the feminists I don’t like,” a group that pretty much includes, well, all feminists except for mythologized first-wave feminists who were all polite and stuff, and possibly anti-feminist “feminists” like Christina Hoff Sommers.
Since the Second Wave arose—beginning in the mid-1950s, and kicking into high gear in the mid-1960s—feminism has been telling you that we live under a patriarchy, men are responsible for all your problems (“the personal is political”), we’re a bunch of evildoers, and so forth.
Here’s my Open Letter to dudes trying to explain feminism to feminists:
Dear dudes trying to explain feminism to feminists,
It helps if you get the basic facts about feminism straight.
Love, David
PS: Second wave feminism didn’t start in the 1950s; it started, very tentatively, in the early 1960s and only really took off on the late 1960s.
PPS: What difference does it make if you’re off by five or ten years in your dates, you ask? Because history involving women matters as much as history involving men. If you were writing an essay about Ronald Reagan and you said he had been elected to the presidency in 1972 or 1976, everyone reading your essay would know that you don’t know crap about crap.
PPPS: I mean, this is all stuff you could look up in two seconds on Wikipedia, or with a single Google search.
Albrecht continues on in this fashion, piling nonsense upon nonsense; his attempts to rebut statistics showing that a significant number of female college students are raped every year are undercut not only by his disingenuous use of stats but also by the fact that he keeps referring to said female college students as “coeds,” which conjures up images like the one at the start of this post.
The rest of Albrecht’s post is a collection of manosphere clichés we’ve all seen dozens of times. He suggests that the root case of misogyny is women being mean — and that some men are so disgusted by snarky women that they literally turn themselves gay, “finding it to be better than nothing.” He mentions sexbots, and Japanese “herbivores,” and “cultural Marxism.” He declares that antifeminists like him “care about you more than the feminists.”
There is the obligatory reference to Sex and the City, which Albrecht naturally refers to as Sex in the City.
If you spend your 20s partying and “finding yourself” as you’ve been encouraged to do, don’t expect Mr. Big to be waiting around patiently to sweep you off your feet after you’ve aged and decided it’s time to settle down. Actually, many Mr. Bigs used to be those nerds you wouldn’t have given a second look to back in college.
Sex and the City is such a completely fresh and original cultural reference that it’s likely many of Albrecht’s manosphere readers are going to spend much of the night tonight creepily hitting on women born after the show first went on the air in 1998.
There’s even a genuine “we hunted the mammoth” moment as Albrecht tries to convince women of the many fine benefits of patriarchy:
It was all on us to provide for you and the kids; be it by working on an assembly line all day, in a coal mine, digging ditches, or under the hot sun tilling the fields. … We got drafted in wars to protect you. We let you have first place on lifeboats. Meanwhile, women were tending the children and doing housework. All told, it wasn’t quite such a bad trade-off for women.
Look at this picture of men gallantly farming away for their pampered stay-at-home wives.
I don’t know why they’re all dressed as women. Probably just some gleaner thing.
Perhaps the most telling moment in the post comes during Albrecht’s attempt to prove that rape culture isn’t real.
Think about it a minute. We’re bigger and stronger than you. If we really were savages, we would be doing whatever we wanted to you, especially if that truly was approved by our culture. The reason you don’t have to pepper spray someone every day is that the vast majority of us are actually decent, civilized people. There are a few exceptions; they end up going to prison, and rightly so, where they’re despised even by the other criminals.
There’s just a teensy bit of an irony in the fact that Albrecht is posting this on a site run by everybody’s favorite repugnant “pickup artist” Roosh Valizadeh, an allegedly “ironic” proponent of rape legalization who has himself been accused of rape.
Yeah, the rest of this post isn’t going to be terribly funny.
In his book Bang Iceland, Roosh offered this account of one of his “dates,” if they can be called that:
While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she couldn’t legally give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated.
I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do.
In a book called 30 Bangs, Roosh wrote about his inability to take no for an answer:
It took four hours of foreplay and at least thirty repetitions of “No, Roosh, no” until she allowed my penis to enter her vagina. No means no—until it means yes.
Roosh went on to note that:
The sex was painful for her … She whimpered like a wounded puppy dog the entire time, but I really wanted to have an orgasm, so I was “almost there” for about ten minutes. After sex she sobbed for a good while … .
In Bang Ukraine, Roosh wrote this about a woman he got into an argument with during sex:
She tried to squirm away while I was laying down my strokes so I had to use some muscle to prevent her from escaping.
Apparently some men really are savages, at least by Albrecht’s definition of the term.
Wow, this asshole really hit all of the bullshit manospherian bullet points, didn’t he?
He needs to flunk himself for not knowing the core material. Rate My Professor score: .05
@Boink et al.
Excellent .gif.
I am genuinely confused why so many men like this spend so much time trying to convince women they would be happier if they abandoned their financial independence and returned to being home makers with a provider husband.
Yet not one of them appear to take that role up themselves. More than a little odd…
@NickNameNick
” Maybe pay them more while giving them less work hours, perhaps set up programs for new mothers so they can still pursue a career outside of the household, and maybe even guarantee those who have children are given a substantial retirement plan.”
I see where you are coming from but I think it should just be equal pay for equal work and equal support to citizens irrespective of their personal lifestyle choices.
I think Japan who could do with completing rethinking their approach to corporate work but without penalising those of use who, for whatever reason do not have children or are unmarried. I’d have a serious issue being told I was to be paid less than my colleague purely because they happened to have kids. Or that I would be expected to have more work hours purely because I don’t have children. The private lives of the childless still matter.
@kupo,
Shiro is neutered, though 😛
He seems ok with it:
I caught a Ditto today. 🙂
—
1am, my wife messaged me out of the blue.
Otter: CATS NEED AN ELONGATED FACE
Otter: NO FLAT FACES
Me: I will let them know, ok?
Otter: k thanx
Me: np!
This is a great marriage.
@Mish
Shiro-San wa kawaii desu ne! 😀
OMG, how did I miss that excerpt from 30 Bangs? When I was in my mid-twenties, the nearly seven-foot-tall man I had been seeing (but not had sex with) forced himself on me as I dozed, used muscle to hold me down as I whimpered, and afterwards, I too sobbed for a good while. He cared about me as little as Doosh did about the woman he describes hurting.
My life is great now and I hope hers is, too. I hope she’s all right.
I’ve always considered “co-ed” to be one of the most demeaning terms you can use for a young woman, even ignoring how it’s been sexualized. Young men get to be students; young women share co-educational facilities with those real students. Both gross and anachronistic.
@AsAboveSoBelow
I’m so sorry. That’s awful. I’m glad things are going well for you now, though.
@NickNameNick and @StephToe
Gotta chime in and agree with StephToe, here. A rethink of what they expect their workers to do is more in line with what is needed, rather than penalising those who either can’t or choose not to have kids.
Otherwise it feels like the pressure is going to be on the women to just have babies, so the men can either get more time off or be paid more, and that is a frightening thought.
@NicolaLuna and @AsAboveSoBelow: I’m sorry to hear what you have gone through, please have some internet hugs (if wanted or appreciated).
@Mish: Wow, what a beautiful cat. Such unusual markings.
@IP: Kitties! Your conversation reminds me of The Toast’s “Two Monks” series.
@kupo: Thank you.
*shudder* @ Roosh. And the men he… inspires.
Related to both word salad migtoe and this guy re: plumbers, women working; the plumber my parents swear by is a woman. Given my parents are both incredibly sexist at times (and not ashamed of it) the fact they chose a woman plumber surprised me, and I used to chat to her as a teenager. She originally changed jobs to train as a plumber because it worked so well around her family; the flexible hours and also comparatively high pay given the area and other jobs on offer. She is also so very brilliant because she was made acutely aware early on that as a woman, and a mother, who would organise shifts around her children, she would not be taken seriously unless she forced people to do so by being the single best plumber around. So she became the single best plumber around, and has put nearly every other plumber in the area out of a job, whilst inspiring other young women she meets to go into plumbing.
@NickNameNick
Nope, nope, nope. People who can’t have children, or don’t want them, shouldn’t be forced to work more, earn less, or have lower quality of life post-work. No people should view children as a tool to a better life economically. IF a country must increase the birth rate, it should be done by increasing wages across the board, allowing better work-life balance for every worker, enforcing greater gender equality in work and home life, encouraging a societal shift from discussion of “productivity” as life goal, and allowing everyone the freedom to make the choices that suit them. Then those who want children can have them for the sake of raising a child and those without are not penalised. The only child-specific breaks should be universal subsidised childcare, and even that should be less of an issue in a society where all parents are allowed flexibility in work hours and proper wages allow a work week of fewer hours.
I mean, since we’re designing societies here :p
@kupo,
Arigato gozaimasu (from Shiro) 😀
@AsAboveSoBelow,
Jebus, I’m sorry that happened to you and so happy you’re doing well now. Thank you for complimenting my Shiro – he’s a Weegie, apparently; a Norwegian Forest cat, hence his markings. He was a rescue baby, same as my other two, so his Weegie-ness was just a bonus. Also I love the Toast so much.
@IP
…are you going to give context for that text exchange with Otter? Or did you just pop it in next to your gorgeous kitteh pics to mess with us?
@Mish
There’s no context other than what you see. :p
The cat pics are just there to show off some properly elongated cat faces.
@NicolaLuna
http://www.court-records.net/animation/edgeworth-strained(a).gif
Have all the hugs (if you’d like), I hope you get the justice you deserve
@IP
YOUR KITTIES ARE SO ADORABLE ALWAYS OMG
sorry. I got excited 🙂
Also, can we talk about this whole imperative to increase birth rates? Cos that’s… fractally fucked up. Like, any talk of birth rates at all is mired in unbelievable levels of fuckery. And that’s without the bio social engineering aspects, which are just squick all around. It always sounds like 1 step away from giving medals to ‘propagators of our people’ or some such
@Mish: The pink toes with black nose are just too much. Are there black paw pads that don’t show in the picture?
Even if a woman in the olden days didn’t have to work outside the home, housework back then was hard. Remember the rhyme “Man may work from sun to sun, But woman’s work is never done?” I’ve read that it dates back to around the time of the American Revolution.
Oh, and let’s not forget how dangerous childbirth used to be.
And how about taking care of children in pre-modern times? Before disposable diapers and baby wipes? Before vaccines and modern medicines? In conditions that would be unacceptably dirty and unsafe by today’s standards.
@NicolaLuna and @AsAboveSoBelow
I take up space in solidarity with you.
Regarding women and working…
Work that women do will always be invisible to a certain subset of men. The work that women do will always be devalued to a certain subset of men. It’s almost as if the OP isn’t arguing in good faith…
@NicolaLuna and @AsAboveSoBelow
Hugs and best of luck.
There’s a whole lot of economic problems with having a population that’s disproportionately elderly. You have a huge segment of the population who can’t work and who are more likely to have health problems and not enough working adults to carry the load. Although, given the fact that globally, the human population is plenty large, I would favor wealthy countries with low birth rates allowing more immigration rather than trying to engineer baby making. But nationalism and xenophobia make a lot of people reluctant to that. From what I’ve Japan is really hostile to immigration and makes it very hard to get citizenship and it seems to be to their detriment because their aging population is an issue for them.
@weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo
Yeah the multiple routes that Japan has to take in order to avoid the impending economic hit requires them to change alot of older ways of thinking.
Increase immigration? That requires the Japanese government to be less xenophobic and isolationist.
Increase birthrate? That requires the entire business culture to change, like lowering the work hours and increasing wages so people can have more time to themselves.
Of the two things they can do, I see the changing of business culture the more likely thing. It’s 2016 and 60 hour workweeks are still commonplace there, amongst the high suicide rates that come as a side effect of such over demanding practices. Currently there are talks in labor organizations over there that are criticizing how previous policies relied solely on self regulation.