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I’m assembling a post full of anti-Trump resources. Can you help?

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So I’m putting together a page (or possibly two) of anti-Trump resources, and I could use your help over the next few days. (No need think about any of this stuff today, obviously!)

I’m looking for a bunch of different things:

Information and graphics to help make the case that Trump’s victory is illegitimate, based on:

Hillary’s big win the popular vote; the ways in which the electoral college effectively overcounts the votes of rural whites and those in swing states and undercounts those of minorities; dirty tricks, from Russian hacking and wikileaks to the machinations of Comey and pro-Trump FBI agents (I’m especially interested in stuff talking about Trump’s connections to the dirty tricksters, as well as his public encouragement and exploitation of leaked emails and the like).

Information on protests and other anti-Trump activism:

Both local and national (and on the internet). Links to help people who want to get involved.

Information and resources to help people deal with Trump-related anxiety, etc. 

Information on Trump’s massive conflicts of interest, and whether or not this could rise to the level of an impeachable offense

Information on his worldwide business dealings. Examples of the conflicts that have already become an issue even though he’s not yet in the White House. The issues raised by his plan to have his kids run his business — despite their continued involvement in the transition and their attendance at meetings with foreign leaders.

Information on Trump’s connections to white supremacists

The possibility that he engaged in “pay to play” for favorable coverage in Breitbart. Connections to far-right parties and activists in Europe. Examples of horrible stuff said and done by his white supremacist supporters. His refusal to clearly and specifically distance himself from these people — in person, on camera.

Trump’s compulsive lying; his vanity; his obsession with revenge; his encouragement of violence at his rallies; his flip-flops, mood swings, erratic behavior; his susceptibility to flattery; his promulgation of fake news and discredited claims

Trump’s racism and misogyny

Trump’s attacks on Muslims and Latinos. His record of discrimination against black tenants. His long history of misogyny. The accusations of sexual assault raised against him.

Historical parallels between Trump and fascist/authoritarian leaders in the past

Information about Trump’s unwillingness to follow traditional norms of presidential behavior and/or do his job

His massive ignorance about this country and the world and unwillingness/inability to learn. His attempts to dodge the press and threats against press freedom. His refusal to attend daily intelligence briefings. His refusal to make his tax returns public.

Trump’s terrible advisors and allies; the Russian connections

Further reading on Trump

Ranging from the terrible things he’s said about women, to his bankruptcies and sleazy business practices, to his embrace of assorted conspiracy theories over the years. I’m generally looking for longer articles here, but short primers on some issues are welcome as well.

Further reading on fascism. authoritarianism, right-wing movements and media

Information about Pence, particularly his anti-LGBT policies

Funny stuff

Recommended publications, writers, podcasters, etc to help make sense of Trump

Anything else you can think of that I’m forgetting

Thanks!

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Moocow
4 years ago

Hot off the press:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/307481-anti-trump-presidential-elector-suing-to-unbind-from-states

I want to believe!

Also for something more lighthearted, here are some Sarcastic Amazon Reviews for the absolute worst product to ever be sold to the general public:

https://www.amazon.com/Trump-America-Great-Collectible-Ornament/dp/B01N67D8HO/

EDIT: FINALLY my gravatar works!!

JS
JS
4 years ago

Ha, the reviews are indeed priceless, as well as the “question and answer”. “Will this ornament keep all it’s pre-holiday promises?”

The reviews are great fun for one of the 5lb bag of sugar-free gummy bears (do not eat all at once, trust me), and unfortunately, in some ways about as stomach-turning.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

I wonder, if Hillary was the establishment candidate, then why did the establishment throw out the democratically-elected result and crown Trump instead?

Oh, wait. It’s because “Establishment” has been a dog whistle for “Feeemale” since day one. Nevermind.

(Unrelated to the thread, but even HBomberguy’s been falling for the “Hillary lost because she was the establishment candidate! Bernie would’ve won!” three-kinds-of-lies and it’s pissing me off. Seriously, dude, you’re smarter than that shit.)

C.S.Strowbridge
C.S.Strowbridge
4 years ago

(Unrelated to the thread, but even HBomberguy’s been falling for the “Hillary lost because she was the establishment candidate! Bernie would’ve won!” three-kinds-of-lies and it’s pissing me off. Seriously, dude, you’re smarter than that shit.)

I saw someone on twitter talk about this and he said, essentially, “I’ve seen the opposition research on Bernie Sanders. He had no chance to win in the general election.”

I believe it.

Hell, Bernie Sanders wanted to raise the payroll tax on everyone. That alone would be enough to kill his chances.

Bethd
Bethd
4 years ago

Hey, delurking here for a moment.

Guys, I gotta say I love this blog. I love David’s articles. But holy crap is the comment section hostile. I think zumah’s trying to be very reasonable and he’s expressing my own feelings better than I could. I don’t agree with everything, but I’m glad SOMEBODY is standing up to this.

Please, please, I’m asking this nicely here… Look at yourselves. Take off your blinders and see what you’re doing and how you’re behaving and how branding everyone who disagrees or has a different opinion as a baddie who’s trolling is harmful to the spirit of this site and the spirit of discussion.

Years ago, I used to post here all the time (under a different account) until I got pounced on for using ableism even though my comments were not in bad faith–I was just less mature. Heck, afterwards I even trolled here because I was angry (which was pathetic), but I’ve grown past that. You’ll look at my comment history and see my trolling and disregard me though, I’m sure. And that’s understandable.

I gotta say though, you guys have done a great job with having more mature responses with people slipping ableist language instead of disregarding everything and going into a frenzy over a few words that most of the population uses on a fairly regular basis (not that it makes it right.) I have my own views on the whole ableist language, but when I’m here I’ll follow the rules.

The thing is, you seriously need to stop it.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

Troll defends troll. Shocker.

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

Fuck all the way off, Bethd.

You were ablist and got called out for it and instead of apologizing for it, you are whining that marginalized people weren’t nice enough to you when you participated in bigotry against them?

Fuck you, snowflake.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

@sock

Stick it and swivel.

And don’t bother with further tone policing, because that’s me being as nice to you as I can muster and twice as nice as you deserve.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 years ago

Bethd, let’s say you’re completely sincere in this recent comment – it’s perfectly possible and maybe even likely.

So hopefully you won’t mind if I ask you – do you go/have you been to right-wing etc. etc. sites to say something along similar lines to their comment sections, and if not why not?

Can you see the potential problem if one constantly argues for infinite patience and courtesy and compromise and listening-politely and meeting-halfway from one side only and never from the other?

Why should anyone here be obligated to “discuss” with those who harm them/are depravedly indifferent to harming them?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

Take off your blinders and see what you’re doing and how you’re behaving and how branding everyone who disagrees or has a different opinion as a baddie who’s trolling is harmful to the spirit of this site and the spirit of discussion.

Heck, afterwards I even trolled here …

http://i.imgur.com/vB8YFim.gif

I have my own views on the whole ableist language, but when I’m here I’ll follow the rules.

Translation: “I still think I should be allowed to throw mentally ill people under the bus – I mean, it’s not like those crazies are human or anything – but I’m willing to pretend otherwise if you bow down and kiss my almighty feet like good little lessers. Because, for all my self-congratulatory back-patting about how much I’ve learned and changed, I actually haven’t.”

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@Bethd
What do you suggest, then? Because I’ve tried nicely explaining the actual harm that those kinds of comments do to me by opening up and giving a very personal account, making myself vulnerable and I get told that I’m being too emotional and taking it personally when their comment had nothing to do with me. How do we hold the hands of these people who will double down on their position and lash out at us no matter how kind and understanding we are to them without it taking all of our energy day in and day out? Why are we expected to follow your rules of discussion when you yourself have intentionally not followed ours, and admittedly done so specifically out of spite so that you could harm us (that’s what trolling is)?

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

Please, please, I’m asking this nicely here… Look at yourselves. Take off your blinders and see what you’re doing and how you’re behaving and how branding everyone who disagrees or has a different opinion as a baddie who’s trolling is harmful to the spirit of this site and the spirit of discussion.

Hmm… Nah. Pass.

NiOg, Adorator Culorum Actus Lesbiis
NiOg, Adorator Culorum Actus Lesbiis
4 years ago

@bethd,

Hello! I, too, lurk here and I, too am delurking to throw my hat in. My question is to you:

On what planet is the argument “Hello i used to be an idiot troll here ages ago, and was slapped down so hard that i stopped posting. i just wanted to stop in and tell u guys to be nicer to this totally new troll i’ve nevar seen before, mere minutes after he posted b/c BY TOTAL COINCIDENCE i was reading the comments today and u guys are so very mean now” convincing?

Is the weather nice there?

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

Sorry for the double post. Turns out I have more to say.

I have been hanging out here, off and on, for about 5 years. There have been changes to the commenting culture here in that time, but opposition to ableism has always been a feature of this space. While some discussions on that topic have become heated, I have never in all of the time I’ve been here see one start with a more harsh call-out than “that is ableist. Don’t say that.” Arguments only break out when folks insist on their right to keep saying things like all murderers are neuroatypical by definition. So I have no sympathy for you, Bethd, who used to think and say things about how people like me are bad, but who now only thinks those things and is willing to keep them to yourself when forced to.

LG
LG
4 years ago
kupo
kupo
4 years ago

I don’t see this article posted yet. Apologies if it’s a duplicate. Exit polls indicate it’s not the economically anxious low income people who voted in larger numbers for Trump like the Republicans keep saying:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html

Eyes on the Right
4 years ago

Here’s an article from ThinkProgress on the Constitutional reason why the electors should reject Trump if he continues to preside over his business interests.

As an aside,

I wonder, if Hillary was the establishment candidate, then why did the establishment throw out the democratically-elected result and crown Trump instead?

Because our ridiculous electoral college system is fundamentally anti-democratic at its core, and it’s the system both candidates ran under.

JSun
JSun
4 years ago

I saw someone on twitter talk about this and he said, essentially, “I’ve seen the opposition research on Bernie Sanders. He had no chance to win in the general election.”

I believe it.

@C.S.Strowbridge
Not necessarily. I did the math based on both polling and the voting results for all candidates (I extrapolated polling results into voting results) and bernie had a slim chance. If he won it would have been close though. He would have won at most 276 electoral votes.

Consequently bernie-or-bust people likely cost clinton the election. There isn’t enough data to be 100% certain, but extrapolating polling data on bernie supporters who went third party or didn’t vote suggests that clinton could have gotten as much as 6% more votes in states that mattered (like PA and MI) and won. Even just getting 2.5% more in states like that would have won her the election. Anything less than 2.5% more would have been a loss though.

So overall Bernie had a slim chance and Clinton would have a better chance if she’d pandered to bernie supporters instead of republican defectors.

Eyes on the Right
4 years ago

@JSun

And this is one of the reasons the Bernie-or-Bust people annoy me to no end. I didn’t like Hillary, I didn’t vote for her in the primaries, but she was my choice in the general for reasons I explained over and over again to my Stein-supporting friends. They let us down on the Supreme Court, the only thing that would have saved migrant children, the environment, reproductive rights, freedom of religion, unions, etc. etc. Whether they voted third party or just didn’t vote, this was a ridiculous way of making a statement.

JSun
JSun
4 years ago

@Eyes on the Right

Exactly.
And like I said there’s no 100% guarantee they cost her the election, but the data says it’s likely they did.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

@bethd, normally I like to give new commenters plenty of room to speak and change and whatnot – exactly what you suggest. They’re new here, after all, and may not have been following along.

But defending a man who visibly and vocally called Mexicans rapists, called for the banning of Muslims from the US and called for a registry of them within the country; thinks women should be rated on a scale of 1-10 and thinks that he can ‘grab’em by the pussy’ because he can get away with it; called to dismantle NATO, suggested that nuclear proliferation is a good thing, and on, and on, and on … ?

I have zero tolerance for that shit, and so should you. especially given that this particular commenter has only spoken up here twice before; once with a rather empty comment and once with a tone troll comment. That’s the sort of thing that doesn’t deserve patience.

I won’t reply to this thread on the topic; feel free to catch me in another one if you’d like to reply!

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
4 years ago

David – I don’t know if you’ll want to include this as a category (because we all ought to be doing it anyway), but I’ve been seeing a lot of debate around how to be a good ally when witnessing behaviour I’m going to start referring to as Trumpy (because it’s quicker than typing out all the isms, and doesn’t risk forgetting some), both directed at a target or in a (allegedly) “safe” (by which I mean unsafe – somewhere bigots feel they can sound off because everyone agrees with them) space.

There’s a cartoon – which I’ll link here if I can find it – about challenging Islamophobia without escalating. For the latter, my favourite so far is:

https://thespanofmyhips.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/strategies-for-talking-to-fellow-white-people-and-other-privileged-folks/

I like that it explicitly sets out as advice for people with privilege, and makes clear that targets are under no obligation to do heavy lifting (although the author says it far better than me).

The Southern Poverty Law Center also has some useful resources on this, but I think I was directed there from here, so I apologise if there’s egg-sucking instruction going on.

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
4 years ago

I see @Eyes On The Right has had the same thought.

Here’s a Huffpost article containing the cartoon I referred to, although the resources in the article are UK-relevant, rather than US:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/islamophobic-abuse-advice-bystander-hate-crime_uk_57c83652e4b09f5b5e3596fb

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

Vucodlak
November 24, 2016 at 10:25 pm

The Snowden hate is one thing I’ve never understood. I mean, I get why Clinton and the current administration hate him; he made them look terrible. I’ve just never understood why actual citizens of the United States would hate him. In particular, I don’t get why people on the left have been expressing that hatred after this election.

The NSA (and other intelligence agencies) is watching this place. They’re reading our emails, our private digital documents, whatever they can get their sticky little fingers on. They watch the left more than they watch the right, in spite of the fact that there are far more terrorists coming from the right in the U.S. than the left. Why? Hippies.

No really, that’s why. The people at the top of these organizations were alive during the summer of love era, and they have never forgiven hippies for… existing, I suppose. When these people see the left, they see a bunch of hippies. And when these people see a hippie, they start punching.

These people fell on the peaceful OWS protestors like a ton of bricks, because hippies. These people funnel military hardware to local police forces, because hippies. These people have passed on their undying hatred the current generation of police officers, so that will use that hardware on peaceful protestors. Because hippies.

These people are (a big part of) the reason that I hacked off my long, long hair at just past 2 AM on November 9th, and in less than two months, these people will be Trump’s creatures. They are, no doubt, very pleased about this, because in many ways they are a secret police force just waiting for a tyrant to give the order they’ve longed to hear for more than half a century: Kill the hippies.

All Snowden did was give us a heads up about just how little intelligence agencies in this country have been reined in. And before anyone starts with “but he went to Russia, that’s the enemy,” I would point out that Moscow is pretty much the only place he could go if he wanted to survive.

A U.S. ally was out of the question; they’d turn him over immediately, and he’d likely “commit suicide” before his case got to trial. It had to be superpower, because only a superpower (or former superpower) would have the arsenal to dissuade drone strikes and the counter-intelligence apparatus to keep him from getting grabbed off the street. So Russia, or possibly China. China would probably turn him over, however, after they made sure they gotten everything out of him they could.

Russia though, will keep him alive and safe just to spit in the U.S.’s eye. Yes, they’re just using him. Yes, it’s unfortunate that they got intelligence from him, but sometimes doing evil shit comes back to bite you in the ass.

Most of what was revealed is purely about control, and the only reason it hasn’t been that big a deal yet (though it damn well should have been) is that the current administration isn’t completely terrible on human rights issues. But if a fascist demagogue were somehow to rise to power in this country, he wouldn’t even have to work at building up a secret police force. All the machinery is already in place. Bad news for the hippies.

That’s us, if anybody is confused on that point.

I think the Left needs to copy everything the Far-Right is doing….including hacking. If we can’t fight them the regular way, we can fight them in a covert way.

Unfortunately, my computer skills are of “Dopey average Jane”-levels and I know ZILCH about that sort of thing.

I agree that it’s quite possible that the Ruskies have been possibly messing with the voting machines to make a Trump win out of a Hillary one…..especially since the Hillary votes actually outnumbered the Obama vote in the last couple of elections.

I don’t get why Putin’s so butthurt over the USA, we haven’t been hurting him (apart from commenting on how he’s a jerk who’s a bigot and has been destroying the spirit of Glasnost). It’s one thing for him to be horrible with surrounding former-Soviet countries (which is no doubt awful and I’m not excusing it at all), but then he has to attack us! It’s like he wants to bring back the USSR (but more Fascist rather than Communist) AND The Cold War…..Perhaps he’s just a nut who wants to *Brain the mouse voice* “TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!”

I’m not part of the “Reynold’s Wrap Chapeau” bunch….but sometimes I do wonder if there is some sort of dark cabal working behind the scenes. Okay; They’re not Lizard Monsters, an Anti-Semitic Fantasy or some Dark Magic thing….but rather a more mundane coalition of some “Robber Baron” types working with corrupt political folks and the weapons industry. There’s bucks to be made when the world is violent and crappy….which is why they hate Progressives, The Left, “Hippies”, Anti-Bigotry, Equality, Environmentalism, etc. so much.

It never dawns on them that they could still make mega-bucks by switching to Green Energy/Industries/etc. but….that’s “Evil” for ya.

There’s got to be a way to fight this. We need to be as shrewd and underhanded as them. Infiltrate their spaces! Run for their offices! Fill their religious institutions! Computer-Hack the snot outta them! They did it! We can do it!

Now; I’m not a strict “religionist” or “Bible-Butt” (I’m a spiritual Pantheist NeoPagan)….however, I do feel that various scriptures, like a lot of myths and fables, can teach a lot of truths or have kernels of truth. A common theme in The Bible is “The small and insignificant ‘Little Guy’ fighting the powerful and corrupt ‘Big Guy’ and winning”. You have the myth of Gideon, David vs. Goliath and even Jesus of Nazareth saying “Blessed are the Meek, for they will inherit the Earth”. I never took “meek” as meaning “meek”….it took it as “Blessed is ‘The Little Guy or Gal/The Powerless’, for they shall inherit the Earth (and conquer the corrupt and powerful)”. Jesus, to me, spoke “The Truth To Power” and was part of a long line of countless Social Justice people (Fredrick Douglas, Susan B. Anthony, Ghandi, Mandela, MLK Jr., Rosa Parks, Harvey Milk, etc.) and that his message was universal.

Surely; The underdog can and will win….If we fight and know what to do!

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Bethd,

Zumahzumah admitted to only posting when they want to disagree with people because that’s their personality. In other words, they said they liked to be contrarian. Why should we be obligated to be nice about that?

Again remember that the internet is still real life and the people who post here are still people. If you knew someone out in meatspace who never talked to you except when they wanted to criticize you, would you like them very much? Would you feel compelled to be nice to them? If you saw them treat other people that way, would you tell those people to be nice them? If the answer to any of those is no, why is it different here?

And why should we take the advice of an admitted troll and sockpuppet with a grudge anyway? You say you used to be less mature and wouldn’t troll now but it’s hard to take that seriously when you didn’t even come clean about who you used to be? For all I know you’re trying to shit stir again.

I’ll never understand why people lurk until they decide they want to pick a fight and then act all shocked when that’s what they get.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

This SpukiKitty character is a gotcha troll, right?

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@SFHC

Seriously, dude, you’re smarter than that shit

I’ve been hearing that phrase, or a permutation thereof, a lot over the past 2 weeks. Aimed at a slew of people. Unfortunately, it’s never true, and they never are…

@Beth

I’m asking this nicely

Your conflation of relative civility and genuine niceness is emblematic of the whole issue, and, in that vein, I’d ask you to remove your blinders

@Viscaria

I have never in all of the time I’ve been here see one start with a more harsh call-out than “that is ableist. Don’t say that.”

Precise! How “Comments policy. Thanks” is a frenzy, I’ll never know. Speaking of which:

@Spuki

he’s just a nut

Comments policy. Thanks

Monzach
Monzach
4 years ago

@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs

The “speech” pattern of @SpukiKitty matches the way a person using that same alias on FSTDT and FQA (both atheist sites, FQA used to be the discussion forums of FSTDT until a couple of years ago, it’s a long story) posts. I don’t think that they’re (I’m not sure of your pronouns Spuki, hope you don’t mind) strictly speaking a troll, just rather shall we say “intense”. Basically, I wouldn’t dismiss them outright as a troll, but judge for yourselves as to the need to correcting unwarranted behavior.

I know I’m not a very established or popular poster on here, but I did feel that I could maybe help a bit in this particular situation.

ETA: Corrected some iffy grammar.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
November 25, 2016 at 10:54 am

@Spuki

he’s just a nut

Comments policy. Thanks

Oops! I’m sorry. I’ll try my darndest not to do that again. Thank you.
It’s kinda hard at first to stop using slurs like “crazy” and “nut” but I can learn. Some things should be challenged.

Thank you.

Also; I hate trolls.

I just want to be a regular commenter, here.

What’s a “Gotcha Troll”? I’m trying to find the definition, online.

Was it my “hacking” suggestion? Oh man! I’m sorry! Nix that suggestion! I think I know what you’re saying. You’re saying that I’m one of bad guys and I’m being an agent provocateur and promoting stupid unlawful things so that you’d agree and then get arrested or something.

I’m sorry. I was wrong. Sometimes I don’t think. We must do things lawfully.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

@Monzach, I think that you are a regular and popular poster here <3

@Spukikitty, welcome!

Cynical Optimist
Cynical Optimist
4 years ago

I’ll second Monzach. I frequent FSTDT enough to recognize SpukiKitty is and I don’t think they’re intentionally trying to be ableist (best way I could put it). But if they continue I won’t keep defending them.

ETA: And I’m late to the party again. In other news fire is hot and Bethesda makes games with hilarious bugs in the final build.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

Anyway. Everything that must be done to fight corruption must be decent and lawful. We should be moderate in our approach and not come off as jerks. I take back completely the hacking suggestion.

I must be super-careful with what I say, here. I don’t want to be seen as one of the bigots, trolls, sexist, racist, homophobic jerks.

I understand your suspicion.

I’m so sorry.

Monzach
Monzach
4 years ago

@Scildfreja

Thanks! <3

You have the most easily recognizable username and avatar combo on this site, and I'm always happy to see the Eth-rune in your name. ^_^

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Spuki

I just want to be a regular commenter, here

Regular is easy, productive is harder, good even harder still. Aim high

must be sane and lawful

*ahem*

I don’t want to be seen as one…

Then don’t be one

Cynical Optimist
Cynical Optimist
4 years ago

@SpukiKitty

“Gotcha” trolls try to use one anomaly or other slip-up to discredit a broader movement or issue. They try to drop truth-bombs, essentially. Like any number of creationists going “But what about X!?” in their latest attempt to discredit evolution.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
November 25, 2016 at 11:21 am

@Monzach, I think that you are a regular and popular poster here <3

@Spukikitty, welcome!

Cynical Optimist
November 25, 2016 at 11:24 am

I’ll second Monzach. I frequent FSTDT enough to recognize SpukiKitty is and I don’t think they’re intentionally trying to be ableist (best way I could put it). But if they continue I won’t keep defending them.

ETA: And I’m late to the party again. In other news fire is hot and Bethesda makes games with hilarious bugs in the final build.

Thank you. Yes. This is me. I haven’t been on FSTDT, lately. I will return, eventually. I must stop inadvertently using ableist slurs related to mental illness. I don’t mean anything by it (heck, I’m mentally ill) but it’s a cultural thing. It can be un-learned.

Anyone who knows me on FSTDTs will tell you that I’m a good egg. That said; I can understand the feeling of caution concerning me, here.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@Axe

Precise! How “Comments policy. Thanks” is a frenzy, I’ll never know.

To be fair, long before you started posting and while I was still lurking there was a rather intense period of trolling that got everyone very defensive and they started getting rather mean and jumpy against casual ablism. Not saying they were in the wrong, but a single usage of the word “crazy” would result in half a dozen posts of varying levels of niceness, and then a multi-page war would break out. Because of this, the comments policy was changed and now it’s policy to not pile on. I got the impression that Bethd was referring to that behavior, though that’s rather unfair of them because that was over a year ago and everyone has been following the new rules just fine since then.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

Cynical Optimist
November 25, 2016 at 11:32 am

@SpukiKitty

“Gotcha” trolls try to use one anomaly or other slip-up to discredit a broader movement or issue. They try to drop truth-bombs, essentially. Like any number of creationists going “But what about X!?” in their latest attempt to discredit evolution.

Ah; Thanks. No; I don’t want to be seen as that. I don’t want to be a jerk. Anyone who knows me from FSTDTs will know I’m one of “The Good Guys”.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
November 25, 2016 at 11:32 am

@Spuki

must be sane and lawful

*ahem*

I saw that and corrected that. I replaced “sane” with “decent” and “Loons” with “jerks”.

I’m tryin’. I’m learning! Old habits die hard but I’m fighting that habit all the way.

Keep in mind that, I’m mentally ill, myself. The words I was using is a cultural thing that must be undone.

Schnookums Von Fancypants, Purveyor of Misandrist Klondike Bars
Schnookums Von Fancypants, Purveyor of Misandrist Klondike Bars
4 years ago

Can’t resist stealing a schtick here:

Bethd Delurked to Scold
Concern Troll is Quite Concerned
Stop Tone Policing

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

Is it okay for me to post a page from FSTDTs with an archive of my quotes, or would that be a big no-no?

Oh! We need to get back on-topic and collect anti-Trump resources.

We need to talk about Mr. Annoying Orange II.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Spuki

I saw that and corrected that

Ah! Fair enough. Sorry 🙂

Keep in mind that, I’m mentally ill, myself

I’d rather not

Is it okay for me to post a page from FSTDTs with an archive of my quotes

Why?

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
4 years ago

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
November 25, 2016 at 11:58 am

@Spuki

Is it okay for me to post a page from FSTDTs with an archive of my quotes

Why?

That last bit was a silly idea, I agree. I guess I was trying to prove that I wasn’t a jerk/troll/awful person.

Enough about me. I don’t want to be the focus. This thread’s been derailed. We need to get back to the program and post stuff to fight Trump and his Trumpy Trumpsters.

“Trumpster” will be my euphemism for Far-Right Reactionaries in general. “Trumpy” will be an adjective (forgot who suggested it but it’s a great idea).

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

“Gotcha” trolls try to use one anomaly or other slip-up to discredit a broader movement or issue. They try to drop truth-bombs, essentially. Like any number of creationists going “But what about X!?” in their latest attempt to discredit evolution.

Oh, I don’t know about elsewhere, but I use it to mean How Do You Do, Fellow Feminists who say something awful in the hopes that we’ll agree with it and they can run back to wherever with their “Proof” that we’re all Hitler squared.

In this case, “Let’s hack Russia!” Fuuuck no.

PreuxFox
PreuxFox
4 years ago

@SpukiKitty hi! I didn’t read your post as trolling, but I can see why people would be feeling cautious. I suppose that’s neither here nor there but I just thought it might help to know that not everyone read it the same way.

I also just want to caution you to be careful about suggesting techniques like hacking, etc. for your own safety. Neither the U.S. nor the Russian governments are known for taking words like that casually, even from someone like yourself who (as you said) does not have the skills required to carry out a plan like that on your own. And they both have eyes just about everywhere.

It’s clear you’re very action-oriented which is a respectable quality in any person. I’m just honestly worried about you getting put on some kind of list (or worse) by making suggestions like that, and because your comments come across as you being very high-energy or as others have said, intense; and because those of us with mental illnesses are more likely to find ourselves in a bad position when caught on the wrong side of the law.

Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago

Protest/activism : There’s a #GrabYourWallet group that is boycotting stores that sell anything by Ivanka or Donald Trump. Started by Shannon Coulter.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

Look we’re not going to commit criminal activity. That would further legitimize the fascists. Instead we’ll pursue legal and constitutional methods in order to remove Trump from office, or what is seeming to be more likely, push back harder against institutional dismantling of human rights.

@Schnookums Von Fancypants, Purveyor of Misandrist Klondike Bars
Yay more poems for the poem goddess, bonbons for the bonbon throne.

Eva Vavoom
4 years ago

I’ve been railing against trumpocalypse since day one (well, two) and now I call my daily tweet #TrumpocalypseReport on twitter.

https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=%23trumpocalypsereport

Some of it is based on future knowledge but I try to keep it tied to facts that have already been brought up*. It is plain to see from the actions taken by Trump what is shaping out for America (and it’s bad in a way that is completely impossible to manage.)

Except for the #PrezzoTheClown hashtag, totally stole that from the future.