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Gross PUA Roosh V thrilled to have a president-elect who calls women “fat pigs”

Roosh V: Really likes rating women on a scale of 1 to 10
Roosh V: Really likes rating women on a scale of 1 to 10

Grotesque pickup artist and ironic rape legalization proponent Roosh V is thrilled to finally have someone like him on the way to the White House. That is, a fellow male human who also likes to rate women on a scale of one to ten.

You may not have realized this was an issue in the election. But to Roosh it’s apparently the most important political issue of our time. In a post on his Return of Kings site (archived here), Roosh declares:

I’m in a state of exuberance that we now have a President who rates women on a 1-10 scale in the same way that we do and evaluates women by their appearance and feminine attitude.

What’s more, Roosh exults, this manly man of a man president is also a staunch opponent of fat chicks.

“We now have a shitlord for President who has insulted ugly women as ‘fat pigs,'” Roosh reminds us.

The President of the United States does not see the value in fat women who don’t take care of themselves, and neither should you.

Roosh is alto thrilled that Trump was elected president even after he boasted about sexually assaulting women, suggesting to Roosh that regular dudes will soon be able to take up sexual harassment again without a fear of repercussions.

Roosh doesn’t quite phrase it like that, though.

“What excuse will they now have for limiting your speech,” Roosh asks, now that we have a president-elect who likes to brag about grabbing women by the vagina?

Either Trump was elected because voters liked a person who makes those kinds of statements or they didn’t care enough that he made them. Whichever explanation you accept means that the will of the American people has stated that you can exercise your free speech, your opinions, and your desire to flirt with attractive women without having to obey a speech police force that evaluates everything you do based on how offensive it is to a kaleidoscope of races and loony identities. You can begin removing your politically correct filter.

Now Roosh and others like him can really let their freak flags fly.

“There are so many of us that we can ease out of the closet and not be afraid of persecution like before,” Roosh happily declares.

What are they going to do, fire everyone who supports Trump? Accuse every man who voted for him of rape? …

Liberals will not be able to point and shriek to get you to withdraw like before. They will not have easy victories by using labels like “racist” or “sexist.” They will have to endure us in their midst and bite their lip when we offend their degenerate ideals, knowing that the price of attacking us is becoming too costly.

So now Roosh thinks that whenever he gets called out for doing or saying anything terrible in public, all the Trump-voting men in his immediate vicinity will stand ready to defend him, as if they were all members of the same gross misogynistic brotherhood.

It may be as simple as whipping out your MAGA hat, as if it’s a bat signal, and having fellow Trump supporters come to your aid. 

Roosh doesn’t care if Trump never actually changes any of the alleged anti-male laws on the books; his mere presence in the White House will enable Roosh and others like him to be the politically incorrect alpha males they were born to be.

His presence automatically legitimizes masculine behaviors that were previously labeled sexist and misogynist. … Liberals will have no choice but to silently stew on our words and we can more effortlessly connect with men not only for male bonding but also to push back against a demoralized and fractured left. 

In your face, liberal stewers!

This is our moment. The door is opening for a renaissance of masculinity where men can take pride in being men, and the best part of it is that we don’t need to wait for Trump to do anything. His victory is more than enough for us to apply our own individual strength in seizing the bull’s horns where we can come out of the politically incorrect closet and assert our beliefs and behaviors. 

My only question is this: How did Roosh get the bull in the closet with him in the first place?

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dreemr
dreemr
4 years ago

@Anarchonist – I think I might like feeling apocalyptic, too.

I almost have myself convinced that this is the start of a huge backlash against all of this shit – the casual sexism and racism, the anti-intellectualism, the anti-science, the Evangelical Christianity shoved-down-your-throat bullshit.

It is starting to feel (not just here, but in other places I frequent) like we’re just not going to tolerate this bullshit anymore.

Maybe that’s mostly just me, that I’m feeling that way, but I will say it has made me feel much more capable and even hopeful.

Pissed as hell, had-it-up-to-here, but hopeful.

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

Masse_Mysteria

As we’re here in faraway Finland, I don’t think it’s meant as an endorsement of Trump or his campaign. More likely it’s just there to draw attention to the election with something topical. Still seems like a poor choice, though.

Don’t count on it.

A friend of mine was proverbially pounced in a game store by someone who was doing Trump-loving cheers, and declaring that “you autists are gonna be next”. Then treated with a stream of anti-semitic vulgarities.

It is spreading here.

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

Aw geez, Skiriki, that’s horrible. Hugs for your friend!

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
4 years ago

@Skiriki

trump cheerer: “you autists are gonna be next”

Speaking as someone with high-functioning autism, I could only tilt my head to the side, blink, and query Google Translate as to what the Finnish translation of “‘scuse me, bitch?” if confronted with this person

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

@Troubelle

I know. Also, as a slur, it is completely uncharacteristic to slurs typically found from Finnish language, so yeah, internet is leaking into physical world.

May I recommend “Mikä saatana sua vaivaa?” (loosely translated equivalent of “What the fuck is wrong with you?”) should that sort of situation occur.

Weird (and regrouping quickly) Eddie
Weird (and regrouping quickly) Eddie
4 years ago

“you autists are gonna be next”

This is the nazi mentality… though in this case, I suspect it’s more the mentality of a bully, it fits with the “purest and most perfect in every sense” creed of the “super-race”-ists. Any trait the overlords see as undesirable, whether the existence of that trait reflects a choice or not, must be purged. For the “Inane Clown Posse” that is currently running wild in the streets, this is just carte blanc to abuse whomever they please.

Weird (and regrouping quickly) Eddie
Weird (and regrouping quickly) Eddie
4 years ago

“What the fuck is wrong with you?”

Strangely, I have had great success with this simple query over the last week when the discussion turns to “who’s gonna be deported/jailed/purged from society”… I think it brings out the embarrassed-by-my-own-bigotry in some of the Cheeto-lings. It actually is more effective without the invective, just a simple question; “Excuse me, what is wrong with you?”

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
4 years ago

@Skiriki

Thanks for the translation!

I’ve only heard “autist” used once before I started reading WHTM, and that was on a YouTube video in French by a Frenchman.

Patricia Kayden
Patricia Kayden
4 years ago

A special thank you to the 53% of White women who okayed Trump’s misogyny and racism. It will be so cool once Trump’s SCOTUS completely destroys abortion rights and access to contraception. Sigh.

ej
ej
4 years ago

Anyway, after this election I decided I wasn’t just going to shut up and sit down and “can’t we all just get along” and be a good girl and not rock the boat.

Me too! I have to be careful on social media because I am looking for a job, but I’m not going to be quiet any more.

I just called someone out for sexism on Facebook. Someone that I know posted an article about the man who is mocking his daughter by remaking her selfies. He commented in support of that, as did a few others (who I don’t personally know). One even said something about doing the same thing to his daughters. Ew.

I posted this:

I’m really disappointed to see this and the associated comments. What you are saying with this post is that you are supportive of this man publicly shaming his daughter for the way she chooses to express herself and her sexuality. It’s sexist slut shaming and it’s not OK.

I was a bit nervous making the post and now I’m just waiting for the responses that are going to come in. So far I’ve just gotten a “Like” (from another woman), but I’m sure I will be told that it’s just a joke and I’m taking it too seriously and that I shouldn’t get so upset, but I’m done with this. It’s stuff like this that makes people think that it’s OK to shame women for any of the choices that we make. The poor girl in the article has chosen to express herself through her photos. She’s not hurting anyone. She doesn’t deserve this and neither does any woman who chooses to express herself in her own way.

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

@Patricia Kayden

Considering the age spread of Trump voters, I’m going to guess that for many of white women voting for him, contraception and abortion are nothing but a lingering worry and faint memory of days of past.

PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Watched the Rachel Maddow segment.

That President Obama is willing to show this bombastic chucklefuckle anything other that a solo digitus medius and the door is a testament that the man truly cares about Americans.

Oh, and btw, Trump transition admins? Return your calls, you fucking morons.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

@Weird Eddie

This is the nazi mentality… though in this case, I suspect it’s more the mentality of a bully, it fits with the “purest and most perfect in every sense” creed of the “super-race”-ists. Any trait the overlords see as undesirable, whether the existence of that trait reflects a choice or not, must be purged. For the “Inane Clown Posse” that is currently running wild in the streets, this is just carte blanc to abuse whomever they please.

Well, and who among us is genetically pure and perfect? How many of Trump’s deplorables have Middle Eastern roots, like Roosh, or a Jewish surname, like Heartiste, or chronic health issues, or an unconventional sexual orientation, or they’re carriers for undesirable recessive inherited conditions, or they have physical eccentricites, or they just LOOK foreign? With that beard, Roosh resembles a deplorable’s idea of a terrorist. They’re fooling themselves if they think they’re immune. One of the ways totalitarian states enforce conformity and maintain their grip is by turning neighbor against neighbor and rewarding snitches, so that people find themselves being hauled off to the gulag in the middle of the night on ridiculous trumped-up (pun intended) charges, all so their informant can have a double ration of bread.

The chaos they’ve unleashed is going to engulf them and their loved ones and friends too. Literally no one is above suspicion, when you start to go down THAT path. Rooshie and his minions aren’t in charge of this new paradigm, however much they might like to pretend they are. They’re now at the mercy of Casino Mussolini just like everyone else.

EJ (The Orphic Lizard)

@ej:
That was the right thing to do and I admire it immensely. I hope that the next person who interviews you for a position has read that comment and admires it as much as I do.

Monzach
Monzach
4 years ago

A literal translation of @Skiriki’s phrase: “Which Satan is bothering you?” Finnish has really fun swearwords sometimes.

I was out on a walk late last Friday night here in Helsinki and I saw a group of drunk young-ish men outside a bar, and they started doing Nazi salutes all of a sudden. I admit that I was on the other side of the street and I had no interest finding out WTF was going on there, but it still freaked the fuck out of me. We’re living in scary times, even here in socialist, feminist Utopia! /s

Also, @Skiriki, I hope that your friend is alright. I’m on the autistic spectrum myself and it really annoys me when people use “autistic” as an insult. Out of interest, whereabouts in Finland did this happen? It’s okay if you don’t want to name the town, just a general direction will suffice, assuming that it’s outside “Traffic congestion Finland” (“Ruuhka-Suomi”). 🙂

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
4 years ago

@ Skiriki
I know I’m probably being too hopeful, but the campaign posters have been up all semester, and I think it’s within the realm of possibility that they came up with it when most people still saw Trump’s candidacy as a joke, maybe? That said, I haven’t had a lot to do with the student union and don’t know who decides these things, so I could be wrong.

Edit: re: autistic as an insult in Finnish
This is one of these things that has me sitting on the fence on whether I’m too much of a social recluse and have to mend my ways in order to hear about these kind of things, or if I’m just lucky to not know what goes on.

Weird (and regrouping quickly) Eddie
Weird (and regrouping quickly) Eddie
4 years ago

Rooshie and his minions aren’t in charge of this new paradigm

One of the frightening things about this situation is, NO ONE is in charge of the mob.

In his perfect world, Roosh would see the brownshirts at his door…. so would Milo. If they don’t believe it, tell them to ask Megyn Kelly… she knows what happens when you don’t meet their standards.

Josef Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda, had a limp due to a botched club foot repair as a child. Without the intervention of his fuhrer, he would’a been sacked, at very least.

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

@Monzach

It was in Helsinki, one of the independant stores, not part of a chain. Yes, my friend is okay, he’s just massively disappointed with the staff’s lack of response. He’s gonna kick it up the chain of command, and if nothing happens, he’s (possibly) gonna name and shame the store in social media.

@Masse_Mysteria

I got some experience with student unions making the most wrong-headed ideas when it comes to slogans, and also dipshits who run them, so I’m gonna say chances are high it is “both”. This is really not the first time student unions have really stuck their hands into a pile of shit.

joekster (Bearded Beta)
joekster (Bearded Beta)
4 years ago
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

@Skiriki, @Patricia Kayden

Considering the age spread of Trump voters, I’m going to guess that for many of white women voting for him, contraception and abortion are nothing but a lingering worry and faint memory of days of past.

Hit me like a hammer, watching a news video yesterday.

Trump confirmed that they’ll be de-funding Planned Parenthood and “kicking it back to the States” for “the abortion issue,” as if it weren’t settled in 1973 by the Supreme Court. Trump actually said that women who want abortions would just have to go to states that still have state funding for PP.

The women who voted for Trump don’t give a shit. For two reasons. Married, middle-aged-and-up, middle class – these women either don’t need to worry about it anymore, or if they need to they have the money and time to go get an abortion in another state. Fucking selfish, entitled, smug, weal- nnnngh

“Fuck you, I got mine”. It really is the motto of the right.

@Buttercup,

Literally no one is above suspicion, when you start to go down THAT path.

The new Secretary of State, a few months ago, said that he wants to open an investigative panel to root out ISIS sympathizers, and said that the House Committee on Un-American Activities should be used as a model.

Gingrich wants to re-start the McCarthy hearings, to jail and terrorize anyone who isn’t “American” enough.

Literally no one is above suspicion, when you start to go down THAT path.

@ej, good job! Please, keep it up! Commenting on feminist and progressive forums only reaches other feminists and progressives. We’ve gotta make this real. #MakeItAwkward.

Monzach
Monzach
4 years ago

@Skiriki

Wow, that’s really disappointing. 🙁 I was hoping that stores here in the capital would be more conscious of the need to fight harassment. Even if it’s just for the cynical reason of not driving away paying customers. My lifestyle of not leaving my apartment very often beyond the absolutely necessary grocery shopping trips every now and then is proving to be a smart one once again…

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

@joekster, thank you for sharing that. I’ve been dreadfully worried that DAPL would be forgotten in all of this. I’m really happy it hasn’t for two reasons. One – duh – go to hell, D-A-P-L. Two, it means that the various reasons to protest are all merging together. That’s going to give us so much energy. I was worried that the protests would sort of melt away, but it sounds like this may actually be 4 years of protesting. Wooo!

ej
ej
4 years ago

good job! Please, keep it up! Commenting on feminist and progressive forums only reaches other feminists and progressives. We’ve gotta make this real. #MakeItAwkward.

@Scildfreja and EJ(TOO)
Thanks for the support. I may not be able to do much, but I can call things out when I see them. I’m still working on breaking down the “don’t make a fuss” mentality, so I don’t know if I’d be able to call someone out face-to-face yet, but I’m working on it.

I love the hashtag, by the way. I’m tired of ignoring racism and sexism so that other people aren’t uncomfortable. They need to be uncomfortable so they realize that they are harming others with their words and actions.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

….

aaahahahahahaha

Pence pushes for email privacy

Vice President-elect Mike Pence is seeking to keep secret the contents of an email relating to Indiana’s participation, at his behest, in a lawsuit to block President Barack Obama’s executive actions on immigration, an Indianapolis Star article revealed Monday.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/11/pence-email-privacy-indiana-231332

Fuck You Pence!

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
4 years ago

re: Pence and e-mails

Ah, how I hate the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. Accuse the other side of baseless scandals, then promptly do something so very similar to what you accused them of.

re: #MakeItAwkward

Hhhhh….This is just reminding me that I’ll have to temporarily coexist with my extended relatives in just over a week’s time. And they’re all deep re. Somebody’s going to say something. Mom’s going to want me to keep my mouth shut and not make a scene, like she has every day of my life, since apparently me doing something she doesn’t approve of is some kind of insult towards her.

hhhhhh

….Can I get some suggestions on how to handle that situation? (And no, I can’t just not go.)

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

Somebody’s going to say something. Mom’s going to want me to keep my mouth shut and not make a scene, like she has every day of my life, since apparently me doing something she doesn’t approve of is some kind of insult towards her.

Gosh, that sounds familiar for some reason.
Gosh, that sounds familial for some reason.

I don’t know your family or situation, @Troubelle, so I can’t be sure one way or the other how to approach it. This said, don’t jeopardize yourself or do anything you’re not ready to do. Family can be vicious, and you’re under no obligation to confront them.

To handle stress: Avoid caffeine and high-sugar drinks and foods that day. Water, sometimes tea if you need a little caffeine, milk – that sort of thing instead. Try to see if you’re holding your breath or breathing funny, and if so, change it. Slow, even breaths, not too deep. Don’t over-oxygenate or under-oxygenate. Normal breaths. Keep that blood acidity on an even keel. Think of things that make you smile; force them to the forefront of your thoughts.

If you dont’ want to confront them, but you need to socialize: When they ask you how you’re doing, keep it short and boring, then ask them how they’re doing. Get them to talk about themselves. People generally love talking about themselves. If they bring up the political shit-show and how awesome it is, just shrug and smile. Lie with “not really my thing” if you have to. Look bored, and if you can, ask them about other stuff in their life instead.

Keep the focus on them. They’ll remember you as being cheerful and friendly.

If they confront you: You won’t change their minds. They’ll fight you, and they’ll think they have evidence on their side. Call them out for being hurtful and disruptive at a family gathering, if you can. People generally think that they’re not hurtful, so that might get them to back off. Confrontation’s hard.

If you want to confront them: Confrontation’s hard. Don’t expect evidence to sway them; that doesn’t often work. You have to know what things they care about, and hit them there. Most people want to be compassionate to people who deserve compassion – talk about how many thousands of people are going to die when the ACA is repealed and they can’t get life-saving treatment. If they’re concerned about the economy, point out that Trump’s nominated the heads of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgans to be in charge of that, and don’t you remember 2008? If they want to “drain the swamp”, point out that Trump is appointing the same Washington elite to his cabinet that have always been there.

Most of all: Keep cool. They’re gonna shout, they’re gonna cut you off, they’re gonna call you names. You won’t convince them there. The best result and the one you’re hoping for is for the 3AM stirrings of anxiety to wake them, and for them to realize that you’re right. They may not ever be able to admit it, but they might tone down the vitriol and become more neutral.

Only you know the best path to proceed. And, frankly, everything I wrote above is utter nonsense – I’m deeply non-confrontational and my advice is crap. In my own family I’m considered deeply naive and not worth listening to for anything, much less big important things like the politics. So, take my advice with a bucket of salt 😉

Hopefully you can avoid confrontation altogether and avoid the stress that comes with it. Don’t alienate yourself from the support you need. Hope it goes well!

Cynical Optimist
Cynical Optimist
4 years ago

Re: the Trump Transition

Is it just me or is the transition team falling apart at every turn? I keep seeing reports that someone left or something else, and I could have sworn that I saw an article about how Trump was shocked at the amount of work the leader of an entire nation had to do.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

I don’t think the transition team was prepared to work together, or with anyone else. Plus there appears to be an appalling level of ignorance in some members.

Her Grace Phryne: Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite (also cats)
Her Grace Phryne: Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite (also cats)
4 years ago

Troubelle, check out Captain Awkward; she has advice for situations just like this, and in fact has done several recently on this specific subject.

Short version: if you don’t want to fight, as Scildfreja said, ask them about themselves. If they keep pushing you for a fight, disarm them: first say something like “I’d rather enjoy spending time with you than arguing.” If they keep going, “I’ll catch you later.” If you’re stuck, plead that you have to use the bathroom Aunt Ellarina needs you or something; otherwise, the weirdest (in the sense that it shouldn’t work but often does) but most effective thing to do is check out mentally. Noncommittal noises, checking your phone, staring off into the distance. If they get mad because you weren’t listening, “I said I didn’t want to argue. So how about that giraffe legwarmer project you were working on?” (Adjust to suit, obviously.)

I used to duck out and have a smoke as an excuse to get away from an environment that was unpleasant. Not a reason to take it up, but if you have some similar excuse, use it. (I use vaping now… yeah, it doesn’t stink and it’s not secondhand harmful, but it IS a good excuse to say, “Hey, I gotta go take care of this somewhere else.” Maybe have someone call you at a certain time so you can escape, or “I have to return a phone call” or similar.

Do you have at least one person that you can count on to not be a douchewaffle? Stick with them; you can save each others’ sanity.

Can you tell I’ve been to a lot of these sort of things? My dad’s new partner has a lovely family, but we have nothing in common, plus my mother is a fucking nightmare, so Thanksgiving was mostly spent hanging around outside or hiding in my dad’s office. They stopped inviting me, and I was kind of hurt, but writing this, I realize the only thing that I really miss was getting to hang out with my dad, and he was so busy that it wasn’t much.

dreemr
dreemr
4 years ago

@ej – BRAVO!!!!! Well done!

I’ve determined that I’m going to “make it awkward”, too. I’m not afraid anymore, and it doesn’t sound like you are, either. Be proud of yourself!! The more of us that speak up, the less garbage we’ll have to put up with!

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

Trump’s troubled transition team toxifies tepid triumph
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-demand-trump-rescind-steve-bannon-231422
The Dems are roaring. I don’t expect it to last if the pressure fades, but it’s a start…

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
4 years ago

@Scildfreja, Phryne

Thanks for contributing.

Scildfreja: My problem is that especially when around family, my emotions outpace my ability to control the physical expression of them, and I start crying. In the past, my mother has told me to stop crying or face further consequence. This has never worked, and has likely contributed to this short trigger. I am not happy about this, but she refuses to discuss it. Unfortunately, I’m also not one to walk away from an argument, especially when I know the opposing side is moored in ignorance….I go from 0 to 60 and have no brakes.

Phryne: While I do live in a state notorious for tobacco production, I’m bleedin’ 16! Not only can I legally not get smokes (or a vape thingy), but since my dad used to be addicted to chewing tobacco (he’s since quit) and I take after him, I’ve been inclined to avoid tobacco as a whole. I may be able to dodge out using Pokemon Go as an excuse, but that’s less likely and might cause Mom to confiscate my phone. I’m tempted to rehearse a blunter line: “I hold to my belief that your opinion is misguided, but I can see you are not letting go of it. You are allowed to believe the same of me, and to be honest, I’m stubborn as a mule. I ask that either we change the topic to something less charged for the both of us, or we cease to speak. If you do not comply, I will simply move. Getting in my way on purpose will do nothing.”
…or something like that.

Also, the only people I believe aren’t some degree of shitlord are my little sisters. They’re both in double-digits, though, so I can communicate with them easily.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

I am a canadian atheist, and God Bless Sammy Bee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpDjqbPyqRM

Do the thing what it says! Sammy Bee is never wrong!

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

@Troubelle, I understand. I tend to retreat when confronted, usually – it’s that good ole’ midwestern be-nice-and-don’t-make-no-waves attitude. Different from yours, obviously.

The fact that you can be crying in front of your mom and her reaction is to scold you is horrendous. I’m so sorry. You don’t deserve that.

Hanging out with your sisters sounds like the go-to plan. If they’re of the same mind as you, can I suggest planning some activity explicitly with them? Like, I dunno, going for walks, or a video game, or a board game – something that can send the social signal that you’re hooked into this clique, so don’t butt in.

Learning to walk from an argument is hard, because it feels like surrender. It isn’t, though – shouting and bickering isn’t an argument, and it also isn’t an argument if they aren’t willing to change their minds.

Don’t feel bad for whatever happens, if it goes wrong. You can’t control them, and you don’t have much power over the situation. Hold onto the control you do have. You’ll be out of there before long, and then you can go back to living your real life again.

It’ll be okay! Calm breaths and steady thoughts. It’ll go fine.

Meg
Meg
4 years ago

A special thank you to the 53% of White women who okayed Trump’s misogyny and racism. It will be so cool once Trump’s SCOTUS completely destroys abortion rights and access to contraception. Sigh.

Oh of course because that 63% of white men who voted for Trump must never be held responsible for their racism and sexism.

Remember, white people are responsible for not being racist, but men are never ever responsible for checking their male privilege or to stop being sexists.

Yes, let’s sit around and hate white women, then wonder why a white woman was not elected president.

Makes perfect sense! Thanks brogressives!

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Axe,

I love that my senator, AL Franken is quoted in that article and is standing strong. I might just have to call his office and thank him!

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

Ben Carson has left the team, ironically saying “I am not qualified for this shit” (paraphrased), considering how he was running for a president in the first place.

dreemr
dreemr
4 years ago

@Troubelle – you’ve gotten some very good advice from others here, so I won’t belabor it.

But remember, take care of yourself. Family gatherings are so often fraught for all of us, even if it’s people we love dearly. Don’t feel you have to die on this particular hill, live to fight another day.

Best of luck to you, wishing you strength and peace!

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
4 years ago

re: Turkey Day prep

To be completely honest, I’ll try to avoid conversation if at all possible. After all, there will be food–and it’s rude to speak with your mouth full. Hopefully, they’ll mostly ask about my days at uni–because seriously, a 16-year old at uni full-time is an oddity for any family.

re: Mom

I have no idea what her thought processes are, especially for that action. I don’t think I want to know.

Cynical Optimist
Cynical Optimist
4 years ago

@Skiriki

RNGesus must have had a good roll recently. Best news I’ve heard all week.

Belladonna
Belladonna
4 years ago

I can’t help wondering if Carson took one look at Bannon for Chief Strategist and it tipped over even his meter.

ModesteViolette
ModesteViolette
4 years ago

What is interesting is there is apparently no gender gap in views on whether or not abortion should be legal, and in fact men are slightly more likely to support abortion legality than women. White and black respondents hold similar views on abortion, while Hispanic respondents hold more conservative views. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/08/on-abortion-persistent-divides-between-and-within-the-two-parties-2/ft_16-04-07_abortion_demographics/

ModesteViolette
ModesteViolette
4 years ago

also, millennials are just as split as older generations on the issue of abortion. they apparently are not getting more liberal on this issue, according to most surveys. http://fusion.net/story/110950/millennial-poll-birth-control-abortions-female-reproductive-rights-sex/

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@WWTH

I might just have to call his office and thank him!

He’s a fighter, but it never hurts to hear appreciation and encouragement 🙂

@Meg

Oh of course because that 63% of white men who voted for Trump must never be held responsible for their racism and sexism

Nobody said that, chill

men are never ever responsible for checking their male privilege or to stop being sexists

Is you new here?

let’s sit around and hate white women

Most of the people here are white women. IIRC, not Patricia, but still…

Thanks brogressives!

Fuhseeryus? I repeat, chill. You’ll find no argument here, so why are you arguing?

eli
eli
4 years ago

@Troubelle

I just want to give you so many hugs (I don’t really like hugging, though, so I’m not going to actually do it)

You do not deserve the treatment you are receiving!

And I know people are trying to be well meaning with the advice, but you know what always gets me? None of this advice applies in my situation. I have decided not to go to the ‘family’ thanksgiving this year. I’m 46 and it’s still going to ‘kill’ my mother. Too bad.

I think this advice is great for people who otherwise feel fellowship with their family members. It falls totally flat when you are the ONE outsider, the one who doesn’t fit in, the one who gets picked on and mocked. And I’m always told one day I’ll finally grow up and learn how to be good Christian conservative, hunting, nascar-loving, fox-news-watching real American.

Nope.

My advice, like Scildfreja, just breathe. Before I have to go to one of these things, I start creating a safe place in my mind that I can check out and go to when ugliness is around me. If you can’t get away (any dogs need walking?, any children need entertaining?), is there stuff you can look at? Ask someone to show you their pictures or go through the Black Friday ads.

One day, YOU will be able to make a Thanksgiving that is not an obligation, something you have to endure for someone else’s reasons. A true expression of thanks, not one that’s enforced. I’m finally going to have one this year for myself; I don’t care that it will be by myself. Actually, that’s probably the best part.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
4 years ago

@eli

Virtual hugs appreciated. Mom isn’t the worst mom, and I think she tries, but she isn’t the best parent by any means.

To be honest, I’m not really picked on by my family, but there is that atmosphere of everything rightist that’s been making me more uncomfortable around them. Honestly, if I start dating someone locally (and yes, my girlfriend is okay with that and vice versa) who’s female or feminine-presenting and/or not Caucasian, I have no idea how they’re going to react.

I recall something I’ve read before: “blood is thicker than water” was originally “the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.” The meaning is inverted, and honestly, I see why. Family is by chance. Friends are by choice.

Perhaps I could condense my previous statement: “My opinion differs from yours, and for one of us to attempt to sway the other would make a ruckus. Let’s talk about something else./I’m going to go now./I’m trying to eat./I want to get dessert./I need to iron my dog.”

Once I’m in my mid-twenties and am financially independent of my parents (or at least my mother), I plan to cessate most visits to family events in favor of arranging stuff with my friends.

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

I can’t stop laughing at this.

I’ve got words, but most of them just end with “electors vote in Hillary you elitist pieces of shit.”

@Troubelle
Well I hope we can both achieve that dream of financial independence. Hopefully you’ll get to meet with your friends more often than be forced to meet family when you don’t want to.

Weird (and regrouping quickly) Eddie
Weird (and regrouping quickly) Eddie
4 years ago

Trump’s troubled transition team toxifies tepid triumph

The Cheeto selected the very creeeeeem of the “I’m always right” crowd for hie “team”… scare quotes are to honor the fact that NONNNEEEEEEE of these people are, or ever have been, team players. Two common threads running through the “I’m always right” mentality is, “My rightness makes me the top dog” and “My rightness makes YOU wrong (even if we’re saying the same thing)”….

Christie and all his cronies have been “purged”, Ben Carson has left the fold… shame, ain’t it??

Weird (and regrouping quickly) Eddie
Weird (and regrouping quickly) Eddie
4 years ago

Trump video, on hate crimes being done in his name:

“I’m very surprised to hear that”??? YOU MOTHERFUCKER, YOU BEGGED YOUR SUPPORTERS TO DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

My dear commenters, lovers of tacos and the like, we have made a veritable mistake.

It seems there was TRUE DANGER in having a taco truck on every corner, though we scoffed and we jeered. “How could a taco truck on every corner be bad?” we asked, in a rhetorical and mocking manner, laughing deep and boastful.

Oh, we KNEW there was no danger, no threat. We ASSUMED.

Well, we need not assume no longer, for the danger is real, the threat imminent, our joking, our scoffing, BLINDING US.

For…TACOS WALK AMONG US!

https://youtu.be/OxZ4BFsQutM