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@Tragedy of the Comas
I feel like if you didn’t vote for Clinton, you really have to not care about women’s issues (given how strong she is on those and how weak trump is) so if you see women’s health and rights as compromisable that does make you kind of mysogynistic
@Dalillama
I know it is. Orwell and Eco are making similar points, it seems to me. The full context of Orwell’s quote is here. But I guess you meant your point to compliment mine? I took it as a critique. My apologies.
@sparkalipoo
What are you talking about? Where did I say I didn’t vote for Clinton? Do you mean where I said, “And us white people gave it them. Jesus.”? I meant that white people as a whole, because white people overwhelmingly elected Trump. No other demographic turned out for him like white people did. Do you understand the distinction I’m making? I voted Clinton, but that doesn’t absolve me of my whiteness. Or my mistake in thinking that most white people aren’t as racist as what was thought of as Trump’s minority core base. Or change the fact that white people who voted Clinton were in the minority. So, yeah, us white people elected him, even though a strong minority of us–like those of us here on this site–did not. Does that make sense? Maybe it only does to me. I’m clearly lacking in reading comprehension today, so maybe I ought to be quiet as well.
Conversation I had with two guys in drive-thru this morning (from memory):
Them: “Trump!” (In place of ‘Hello’)
Me: “??”
Them: “Are you happy with yesterday?”
Me: “No, not really.”
Them: “Why? Trump will raise the minimum wage for you.”
Me: “Believe it when I see it.”
(Business concludes)
Them: “Trump!” (In place of ‘goodbye’.)
>.<
Right..did they say which dimension they were visiting from?
I’m seeing comments on some of the news sites which are variants of “This is why he won. Because the media lied about him being racist, and now it’s backfiring.”
Trump isn’t racist? With his thing about border walls and internment camps for muslims? Okay then. Well, it’s theoretically possible that he’s somehow a xenophobe and an islamophobe without also being a racist, but that’s an overly smug pedantry even if it were true.
Well, overly smug pedantry *is* one of the many high-quality products I’ve come to expect from television news…
@Scildfreja: I meant comments as in the comments sections of the article, not the article itself.
The analysis of the election results so far seem to indicate that there was a surge of Clinton-voting latinx voters in some conservative states, but not quite enough to flip the vote there. Meanwhile in many of the moderately liberal and tossup states there were a surprisingly low turnout of liberal voters for a presidential election year. Complacency? Vote suppression? Illegitimate ballot tossing? Who knows at this point.
@Snowberry
I’ve read that with Voting Rights Act repealed, there were over 800 polling places less than last election, so that’s definitely a part of it.
@Snowberry
Unrepentant racists hate hate hate when racism is called racism. Denying racism while saying racist things is standard operating procedure, judging by conversations with certain family members.
What LindsayIrene said. One of the tells of racists is that they will attempt to redefine racism so that they fall outside of it.
On another forum I comment on, there was a comment this morning where someone pointed out that white Americans needed to do better, and someone else leapt on this and said “what an ironically racist statement.” There were insufficient facepalms in all the world.
@EJ
I shared an article that blamed white Americans for fostering racism enough to allow this racist to be elected and was told it’s Obama’s fault for making the nation so divided. She literally blamed a black man for racism.
@Hambeast
I hope that all goes well for Catbeast!
@Pho with Beef and Basil
I got annoyed with TYT last night when they made the claim that establishment politicians took take this as a warning because establishment politicians can change there policies but they can’t just change into an entirely new person who’s never held elected office and I do think we need people in the highest branches of government who have political experience.
@Jules
I also feel bad for Hillary, but I’m also worried about her because what if he follows through with arresting her after he takes office?
Obama was asked (or, one of his aides was asked) if he’d issue Hillary a presidential pardon. Official reply has so far been “no comment.”
@sparkalipoo
I think, as with so many of Trump’s statements, it was just bluster and playing into his supporters’ prejudices. He’s being more conciliatory now, he’s known the Clintons a long time and praised Hillary on several occasions. He couldn’t have her arrested just like that even if he really did want to.
I actually don’t think even his supporters want him to, or expect him to do all the horrible things he said. Some of them already admitted as much. Don’t get me wrong, they’re still genuinely racist and misogynistic, and some are truly dangerous, but these types are a lot of talk as well. It makes sense they would be – they can already terrorise women and minorities effectively with talk and threats, and through internalised misogyny. Them going ‘too far’ might actually trigger greater resistance, women would have less to lose, less crumbs to be grateful for being allowed to have, etc. Unfortunately, that also means his supporters won’t get disillusioned that quickly.
Honestly, if anyone is in, I am totally in:
https://commune123.wordpress.com/there-is-no-time-to-waste-lets-make-this-happen/
I haven’t turned on the TV today, I am ignoring all the unpleasantries until I’m in a tolerant mood. What I have done today is made $210 selling some excess stuff around the house, and it’s going straight into the “Commune Jar”.
If anyone wants to go off-grid for a bit, perhaps four years… I’d love the Mammothers to join the effort!
@Leo: We can only hope.
Fuck TYT’s coverage this whole election season. Cenk, Jimmy fucking Dore, and that Jordan guy harped on every little non-scandal and the WikiLeaks bullshit. Jimmy Dore said a million times that it would be GOOD if Trump won. They can say this shit with theit comfortable income while living in a blue state. Whatever respect I had for them, this whole thing made me lose the rest of it.
@tragedy of the comas
when I said “I feel like if you didn’t vote for Clinton…” I didn’t you, tragedy of the comas, didn’t vote for Clinton, I meant you to mean the same as someone. I see how that could have been confusing and I’m sorry, I should have been more clear in my language
@Leo
Hopefully you’re right but it’s possible that he wasn’t lying
@Leo, it really doesn’t matter what Trump’s attitude is anymore. The Republicans have free reign to roll back every advancement we’ve enjoyed since *forever*, and Trump’s picks for important positions are reading like the who’s who of Junta Startups. Giuliani (Fucking stop-and-frisk Giuliani!) as Attorney General, Newt Warlord Gingrich as Secretary of State, Sarah “Drill, baby, drill!” Palin for the Interior and Mike Fucking Pence as VP. Pence was told he’s gonna be the most powerful VP ever, because Trump doesn’t want to deal with actual governing, and he’s a theocratic despot if ever there was one.
Trump could sit in a corner for four years and it’s still a disaster.
@booburry, Jimmy Dore and Jordan Chariton drive me up the wall with their smug we-know-what’s-best-for-you attitudes. Jordan does some excellent reporting on TYT Politics – he’s dug far deeper into the problems in Flint and has exposed some real heartbreaking issues – but he’s gotta stop thinking he knows what’s best.
I still follow them, for two reasons. For every jackass who wanted Hillary to lose, they have one who was rooting for her – Michael Shore and Ben Mankiewitz have had some incredible knock-down arguments with Cenk and Jimmy, and they air it all. They don’t try to present a unified front. They also have Ana Kasparian, who is one of the fiercest fuckin’ feminist media figure I’ve seen. The woman can tear a strip out of someone up one side and down the other, and doesn’t afraid of anybody. (She and Cenk, the sexist ass, butt heads regularly)
Second reason is because they get the numbers right. They were the only media outlet that correctly predicted that the election was practically tied going in. They knew Hillary’s edge was razor thin. At the end of the election, they were 3.5% off in their prediction. They also were the first ones to say that Trump was a threat and could actually win the primary, then the election. I don’t always agree with their opinions, but their numbers are rock solid. That’s useful.
I’m not suggesting you all should watch them, because slogging through some of the asshole opinions can be tough. But they’re usually right. I really value that.
Damn.
I am sorry for those of you who live in USA.
Stay safe as possible, maybe regroup with friends if able.
This defeat reminds me a bit of 2002 french elections, when far right was the second in term of voices at the end of the first round (but we had a second round, when they finally lost (but it was a bitter victory)). Like this election, there had been a big abstention rate (28.4% in 2002 for us, 45.8% for USA this time) which may have played a part in the defeat.
I just hope USA will not become something like a IVth reich.
If some of you want to come in France, you are welcome. We may not be the best friends, especially since the far right here is gaining more and more presence and power, but it will not be said that we do not try.
DJT’s first betrayal of his base. Not that this will calm them down.
Given the number of polling places that have disappeared from inner cities (over 800 this cycle, similar numbers before), the abstention rate is less and less about Americans being disinterested. It’s more and more about Americans not being able to travel the miles or take the hours to actually go do it. The fact that the Republicans have engineered this to affect the poor and minorities is not an accident.
I get your sentiment though, and thank you
@Nanuqi, not surprised at all.