Will the sentient robots of the future ally with men or women, MGTOW wonders

@kupo
Hairt thought I was a girl even though my name is Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger. I couldn’t be more male coded if I replaced my profile pic with a bloodstained, Spartan helmet and a pair of bewbs. Cat or no cat, the stereotype is entrenched

Some people even choose to donate blood so it can’t be that terrible

Ha!

Also, none of her responses to us are actual responses to what was said. As was her MO over here, she says she understands and then deflects to 5 other points of bullshit. It’s like a hydra of willful ignorance

Axe, your avatar is a peace sign though. Everyone knows real men love war and violence! May I suggest changing your avatar to a picture of an AR-15? That Spartan helmet would work too. You might even be able to get away with an NFL team logo. Anything else makes you a girl.

@Sigh
I’m pretty sure I would go into troll overdrive if I were to read more disingenuous reconstruction of what happened to the point where you can’t tell the difference between me and an /a/non. But oh well I might as well see what she thought of me.

“she”

And, since she had asked for my thoughts, I shared those thoughts, knowing that other people reading that article would get other things from it, and the author herself might not even see it the way I saw it. And that’s okay — but apparently not for Ooglyboggles. So I see this as rather dishonest: You don’t ask an open-ended question if there’s something specific you’re looking for, and then get mad that the other person didn’t read your mind and totally deliver on your unspoken expectations.

To be generous, I’ll say that if Ooglyboggles wants to clearly lay out the assignment with her actual expectations, I’ll try to tackle it when I can. I’ve already figured out that she doesn’t want to hear about any other stuff I might learn from the article that I can apply to my personal life. Acting like I’m at the center of the world and relating everything to me personally is one of my many shortcomings, and Ooglyboggles and others here are not the only one’s who’ve picked up on it. There’s also a man on JudgyBitch’s blog who’s ridiculed me for spilling out so much of my personal stuff on the Internet.

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I already explained twice about it. At length. Do I have to channel my inner human studies professor and give her an assignment on the lack of representation and marginalization of Asian Americans? Was I not specific enough on why I felt that her saying that not restricting the thinking of her kids was comparable to that professor not wanting her student to deal with discrimination was not good?

Ugh whatever, I don’t care whatever gender one thinks of me. At this point I’ve been assumed to be a boy, girl, both, neither and everything in between no matter what username/avi I use.

@WWTH

Axe, your avatar is a peace sign though

I actually only went with the peace sign, cos I like symmetry and the colors turquoise and black. I’ve been meaning to change it for a while, but haven’t found anything better. It’s grown on me now *shrugs*

@ Weird (insert interesting stuff here) Eddie,
Well I did not know that about ‘squeeeee’. I’ve only ever seen it used as a general kind of excited noise. Wow.

@ everyone who dealt with Susan,
Jebus. Glad I followed that thread at a distance. But, I guess ya’ll are famous now, right? :O

I’m debating on clicking that JB link but, eh.

Eh.

I’m curious but I also don’t care. Someone quote funny shit from it for my amusement, if you will.

@Jack,

yyyyyou asked for it!

Here’s the entirety of JB’s “article”

There really isn’t much more to say here. That Susan, a regular commentator here at JB, has subjected the mammoth crowd to abuse that leaves even me speechless. Beyond the pale. She is literally Hitler. According to Futrelle:

“I’m giving Susan a temporary ban because, well, obviously a lot of people here are fed up with her nonsense, and for good reason.

“Let me know if you all think this should be a permanent ban.”

Yes, fathead, it should be permanent. In fact, I would alert the UN. This is cyberviolence of the most horrific kind.

Note: JB didn’t actually link to the article or comment thread. Not that that’s surprising, obviously.

There’s a lot here, but I’ll c/p most of one of Susan’s moderated comments for here, which is – well. You can read it for yourself. I’ll just copy some of it.

I do believe there is a small segment of men that harasses and behaves disrespectfully to women, but the prevalent reason for this behavior is NOT that they haven’t been taught not to harass and need a sensitivity course, but that they’re angry over their extremely low status and sense of complete powerlessness in their lives (before anyone thinks that I’m saying this excuses their unacceptable behavior, I do address that further down).

followed up by

I don’t want to completely hurt Donald Trump’s feelings by leaving him and Bill Clinton totally out of the conversation, so I’ll add as an aside that there seem to be a few extremely powerful and self-absorbed men who become bored with all the consensual sex they’re able to get so easily, and then start getting their thrills by pushing the limits and seeing just how far they can cross the lines of decency without suffering any consequences (like Donald feeling like he could shoot someone and not lose a single voter).

as for the part where she condemns their behaviour, that is:

But talking about those guys isn’t all that interesting to me, because I think most of us deal a whole lot more with the harassers who are a lot LESS privileged than the average woman, who in some cases are very angry about their total inability to earn a decent income, or even hold down a steady job, and much as we women care about what’s on the inside, too, most of us really don’t look twice at a man out on the streets without a penny to his name, even if he IS nice and respectful.

Which – uh, no, Susan, that’s not the harassers we’re talking about. Also, I and my friends do look twice at poor people who are nice and respectful. Hell, many of us are poor. Why would you think we would turn our nose up at the poor?

There’s a lot for you to think about there, Susan; take your time.

Then she follows it up with:

And no, I’m not saying that women’s lack of interest is any kind of excuse for a man to channel his anger over being rejected into, say, following some woman around and scaring her to death just so that he, at that moment, can feel more powerful than he normally does. It’s inexcusable.

to which i will channel my inner Paradoxy, bare my teeth and say that we’re less concerned about the scaring to death and more concerned about the raping and killing to death. Stopping the scaring would be nice, too, but there are priorities.

So then she follows up, almost inexplicably, with this:

But in anyplace where this kind of behavior is rampant, I don’t see it as a sign that men are getting too big for their britches and need to be knocked down a few pegs. I actually see it as a sign that we need to pour more resources into men, and especially into boys and young men. I don’t think most of them need to be taught about consent, because most of them know damn well if their behavior is scaring a girl or woman to death

You’re right, actually – we do. When feminists say we need to teach men not to rape, and need to teach boys about what is and isn’t acceptable, this is what we mean. When we talk about toxic masculinity, this is what we mean. We need to put resources into teaching boys and men that they should not derive their self esteem from enforcing their superiority over others.

You’re right that they don’t need to be taught about consent. They know what it is. They just don’t give a shit. That’s the problem.

I can’t even with that paragraph.

At this point she goes into anecdote territory, but she does say that she thinks we need to teach boys at a young age that they’re worthy, that they aren’t worthless, that they’re loved. I agree. Frankly, girls need that too. Boys need to be taught that their worth doesn’t come from being better than other people, or from the things they have or control, or their money or their social status – it comes from who they are.

That’s what feminists talk about when they talk about combating toxic masculinity, Susan. You’re complaining about patriarchy.

Ugh. I will have to ask someone else to burrow into that mire, that’s as far as I wanna go right now. Frustrating – she’s right about a number of things, but so wrong in others. And of course the peanut gallery is gabbling on in the background there too.

Dunno how you do it, David.

There really isn’t much more to say here. That Susan, a regular commentator here at JB, has subjected the mammoth crowd to abuse that leaves even me speechless. Beyond the pale. She is literally Hitler.

Yes, fathead, it should be permanent. In fact, I would alert the UN. This is cyberviolence of the most horrific kind.

I’m confused. So JB is comparing Susan to Hitler, then JB quotes David, and then she advocates fro Susan’s ban to be permanent because what she did was “cyberviolence”?

I mean, I’m guessing JB meant we’re treating Susan LIKE Hitler and that the “cyberviolence” is what we did to them?

Right?

I mean, Susan came HERE and started spitting bullshit. We didn’t go to their website or to JB’s and started harassing them; if any of us did the same as Susan did on JB’s site, then we’d be harassing people. So, like, pff.

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You’re right that they don’t need to be taught about consent. They know what it is.

I don’t think they do. If they did, they wouldn’t have a million questions about how they can really know when a woman consents whenever yes means yes laws come up. I think inexperienced people have a hard time understanding how to approach consent and need some guidance in how to do it. I remember as a teenager being confused about how to talk about this stuff without killing the mood, for example.

PS: Did I miss something here?

I feel dumb for not spotting it before: That_Susan is also a SanctiMommy. JB had better be careful giving her guest blogger status on her site, because when it comes to Best Mom in the Whole World,
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(Sorry about the image source name)

@Kupo Seriously the implied consent is a terribly flawed concept,
I have seen at least one guy on a kink site claim to know just by looking into someones eyes (he got arrested after a task force was assembled to investigate him).