Leave it to the deep thinkers of the Men Going Their Own Way community to ask the tough questions that no one else dares to ask.
For example: In the future, when men are reduced to 5 percent of the population and forced to flee to Mars or Venus, will the sentient robots ally themselves with men or with women?
In the MGTOW subreddit, an aspiring futurist calling himself FalloutFan2 laments what he sees as the inevitable rise of a gynocentric dystopia in which men are more or less bred out of existence, except for a tiny minority that the women keep around for sperm and giggles.
“It’s sad how everything in modern society is already gearing towards a female-only future,” FalloutFan2 notes wistfully.
I think there will come a point where all men rebel against the system and form their own colony on Mars or Venus or whatever, where we’ll bring some female sex-bots for entertainment.
It’s rare that I find myself agreeing with anything I read on the MGTOW subreddit, but if you guys want to go start a MGTOW colony on Venus I will not only support you but help you pack.
Of course the women will just keep using their dildos because they are emotionless beings who care little for actual interaction, whether it be sentient robot or human.
I have to admit that “women are emotionless automatons who prefer dildos to robots because they don’t like talking to people” is a stereotype I have not encountered before.
Do you think the sentient robots will ally themselves with mankind and not womankind?
TRULY THE QUESTION OF OUR AGE
I think that due to their advanced intelligence they will not see a possible future where they could be on equal footing with women (due to the female’s natural inclination to boss everyone around), so they’ll settle for a society where they are equal to men.
I’m pretty sure sentient robot ladies would kick you guys to the curb as quickly as actual human females. Especially since two sentences ago the only sentient robots you were interested in were of the sexy sex slave variety.
Of course, if we do all end up on Mars, women will just eventually send nukes to destroy the colony regardless, out of bitter spite (if they figure out how to press the correct buttons that is, but typically some beta male nuclear scientist would have left blatant instructions beforehand that even a toddler would understand).
Ha ha ladies can’t even nuclear holocaust men right!
Women just can’t handle the fact that men just want to be happy.
Well that’s a bit of an ironic statement to find on the MGTOW subreddit, to put it mildly. I can’t think of a group of men less interested in being happy, or more inclined to wallow in their own bitterness, than MGTOWs.
They can’t comprehend that men are satisfied with an existence of philosophical stoicism, and not artificially superimposing different contrived existentialisms on reality. Either no one but them can be allowed to be happy, or no one period.
Unfortunately, due to this reason I don’t see any possible way it could work out. Women will just kill themselves off once all the men are gone anyway, cuz there’ll be no one to listen to their nagging bullshit.
Better get yourself an agent quick, FalloutFan2, because this sounds like the greatest science fiction novel never written!
Now that is impressive.
(Speaking as a man whose hard drive has a number of unfinished stories and a half-finished novel on it.)
Fallout in its current incarnation has plenty of room for MGTOWs to identify with it.
FALLOUT 4 SPOILERS AHEAD:
Siding with The Institute seems right up Migtoe Alley what with the whole business of making sentient robots for the purpose of enslaving them.
Siding with Brotherhood of Steel revolves around anti-synth bigotry as well as BoS generally being a super sketchy premise to begin with. They came into being as a tiny, insular, cult-like group who decided to take it upon themselves to arbitrate who is worthy to possess advanced technology and to then grant themselves the authority to confiscate said technology from anyone they deem unworthy. And, I’m sure, totally coincidentally, they themselves are always worthy and the technology they confiscate is almost always military in nature and increases their own power.
The Minutemen are also totally on board with anti-synth bigotry even though eradicating synths isn’t their main goal. Even the Railroad’s approach to protecting existing synths is to quite cheerfully blow up the Institute and everyone inside it.
@ Cat Mara,
In that last story extract, were you slipping between ‘she’ and ‘it’ on purpose? If yes, it’s effective – very disorienting.
@ Tessa,
Little known fact, if playing the male character, you’re only searching for the kid to get a paternity test to make sure you weren’t cucked.
@Bina
And chocolate!!
I turned away from the screen. My heartbeat increased, my face flushed. I nearly laughed but, “No,” I told myself. “You can’t laugh. People are still asleep.”
@Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy:
Yes, that was the intent. Glad to hear it worked! (Now, to actually try and finish that story without some kind of nervous breakdown…)
Women are emotionless, but they crave happiness and become so enraged that they will hunt you down on Venus and nuke you from orbit if they think you’re happy too. We are simotaneously filled with emotions and utterly devoid of them while we both do nothing and control everything. (Even the sex bots, apparently.)
Men are so stoic that they need sexy robots to entertain them on Venus because women won’t serve them on Earth and do annoying things like have jobs, opinions and interests, age and exist while fat. Men’s needs are just so simple and pure.
Trufax.
to paraphrase a favorite spoken word poem, “I promise you there is no sexbot in the UNIVERSE sentient (or sexual) enough to make you Like yourself“
only marginally related, but, for all the trolls reading this, I found you guys an awesome Macho Nacho recipe that you should try
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHF2hDuH5HE
Enjoy!
(pssst, everybuddy, it’s totally full of subliminal messaging! Waahahahahahaaa!)
Lea
Such a perfect summary.
Oh, Scildfreja Unnýðnes, THANK YOU for that link! (And the perfect Fluttershy gif.)
@PeeVee, that cooking channel is awesome and you should go watch all of it :3 Especially instructions on how to chop an onion.
@Scildfreja Unnýðnes:
Welp, my afternoon is booked. ?
This one is where I learned everything I know about the human brain:
This guy is hilarious and brilliant!!
Thank you so much for this!
Thankyouthankyouthankyou!
I honestly do not think there will ever be sentient robots. There will be robots and computers which are increasingly better at feigning life, but at the end will only be Turing machines. Having robots with their own ‘life’, inner thoughts and feelings is impossible. Take a look at the internet, it has enough connections to function as a primitive ‘brain’ but is it any closer to actually being conscious? It is probably even less conscious than a worm, a bacteria or an amoeba.
Seems these oh so rational MRA types have trouble separating fact from science fiction.
oh dear
Somebody pushed the frejabutton
http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt25koAqOO1qzrlhgo6_250.gif
The closer we look at how our own minds work, the more we realize that we’re nothing but Turing machines ourselves. Specifically, we know that our neurological structure is mathematically equivalent to a HMM, which is a representation of a UTM – a Universal Turing Machine.
This is not to belittle our consciousness or our souls, but it does raise some questions about whether there are other things worthy of ennobling. Animals are the first to consider, given how close we are to them. Computer networks are … well, I’ll get to that in a moment.
How is it impossible? You follow this up with a statement of “Look at this computer, it isn’t conscious” as proof. That’s a single example. Even if I were to take your statement as true (I don’t!), it’s just a single example. You can’t make a universal statement with one example.
Erm…
Here’s the thing. We can’t give a meaningful definition of consciousness. We don’t know how to describe it, all of our descriptions are circular and self-referential. What we can do is limited. We can:
1) declare that we are conscious. Human being == conscious. This is an assertion, but it’s a generally accepted assertion.
2) describe how human brains work to greater or lesser degree.
That’s all we’ve got. So, we use #2 to describe how brains work, then we can look out in the world for things that are similar. The more similar it is, the more likely it is that it’s conscious.
This is why a few years ago an international society of neuroanatomists and cognitive neuroscientists declared that the official stance of the scientific community is that all mammals should be considered conscious to greater or lesser degree, and that many other non-mammalian animals should also be considered conscious. They declared this because of the strong conformity between how the human brain works and how animal brains work.
Now, digital systems don’t have analogous structures, but they can process information in the same patterns if they’re set up to do so. I work with those sorts of processes. As time progresses and those processes become larger and more sophisticated, there will be less and less reason to assume that they don’t have some sort of consciousness.
I’m not saying that computers will become conscious. I’m saying that we have no reason to assume they won’t, and certainly no reason to assume they can’t. The only reason we have to assume that is by arguing that humans/biological creatures are just better, and can hold a magical “consciousness” quality that artificial processes can’t. Just like the Victorians assumed animals were clockwork organisms with no soul and no awareness, no ability to feel pain. I don’t think that’s the way we should be looking.
Mm. Comparing computer and biological systems has a fairly long tradition. A decade or so ago, the most sophisticated computer had roughly the same processing power as a nematode – so, a worm. That was during the nacent years of the internet, before ubicomp and IoT and ubiquitous wireless. Now? Sophisticated computing devices crush those old specifications. And that’s without considering cloud computing.
There we are. Sorry for the ramble! I’m sorry if it seems I was coming after you, too, Virgin Mary – I’m not! You’ve just touched on a topic that I get into lots of debates over, so I can’t say no to the debate again!
@ Scildfreja; @ Virgin Mary
Several of the science-fiction writers of the 1950’s-60’s postulated at length on this subject. In Heinlein’s “Moon is a Harsh Mistress”, the protagonist computer, Holmes IV came alive (or woke up, or gained self-awareness, or in some way gained the ability to pull practical jokes). Heinlein explained this as:
The Internet hasn’t (and I contend it won’t) woke up because it is not a “network of switches”, it’s a repository of information, a giant memory. There are several very large array parallel processing computer networks hooked to it, I suppose some are getting close to that “magic” number of associational paths, I don’t know, maybe some have blown past that number by orders of magnitude. Maybe one (or more) of them has become self-aware… (alternatively, maybe the postulate is just wrong)?
A comedian whose name escapes me once said that what defines us as human is humor, specifically “puns” and other base humor. I guess that explains it…. A macrocomputer network gained sentience, hacked the newsfeeds, the polls and the voting machines and gave us… Trump…. 🙁
So…women are actually GTOW and using sexbots. No wonder he despises us. Everyone knows the thing to do is loudly fantasise about GTOW and using sexbots. What amateurs we women be.
@Weird Eddie, yeah, the internet itself isn’t going to “wake up” or something. But there are plllenty of coordinated networked systems that tick all the boxes. Like the Googles.
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@ Cat Mara: Thank you! I always worry if I’m stepping on toes when playing in other people’s sandboxes, so it’s really nice to hear you liked it. And yeah, they really don’t.
@ Cat with many faces: Thank you so much! No, I don’t write professionally, but I really want to. It’s pretty much the only thing I’m kind of good at, TBH.
@ Virgin Mary: TWINS!! … I’m so sorry.
Good news/bad news dichotomy here…
Good news, technological capability is expanding exponentially, so the [whatever]bots are not long in coming….
Bad news, at least in the sci-fi community… they always seem to try to take over our s**t….
🙁
Sorry about the mucked up blockquotes on my comment – it looked fine on my phone, I swear :\ ah well, I guess I’m a true mammoth now…
Am I the only one who comes in here curious to see what Weird Eddie has put in his parentheses today?
Would we know a truly self-aware AI when we saw it?
read this
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/30/opinions/bundy-acquittal-shows-disparity-joseph/index.html
@ Mish
Thanx, I do it because my computer (home and work) and my fone are set up to dump passwords, etc. on shutdown, so I have to re-login each time… so I thought I’d get creative. Right now I’m scared sh*tless that the country is going to give the keys to the kingdom to an overgrown 2-year-old 🙁