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Will the sentient robots of the future ally with men or women, MGTOW wonders

Beta male cuck defends woman from robot justice
Beta male cuck defends woman from righteous robot justice

Leave it to the deep thinkers of the Men Going Their Own Way community to ask the tough questions that no one else dares to ask.

For example: In the future, when men are reduced to 5 percent of the population and forced to flee to Mars or Venus, will the sentient robots ally themselves with men or with women?

In the MGTOW subreddit, an aspiring futurist calling himself FalloutFan2 laments what he sees as the inevitable rise of a gynocentric dystopia in which men are more or less bred out of existence, except for a tiny minority that the women keep around for sperm and giggles.

“It’s sad how everything in modern society is already gearing towards a female-only future,” FalloutFan2 notes wistfully.

I think there will come a point where all men rebel against the system and form their own colony on Mars or Venus or whatever, where we’ll bring some female sex-bots for entertainment.

It’s rare that I find myself agreeing with anything I read on the MGTOW subreddit, but if you guys want to go start a MGTOW colony on Venus I will not only support you but help you pack.

Of course the women will just keep using their dildos because they are emotionless beings who care little for actual interaction, whether it be sentient robot or human.

I have to admit that “women are emotionless automatons who prefer dildos to robots because they don’t like talking to people” is a stereotype I have not encountered before.

Do you think the sentient robots will ally themselves with mankind and not womankind?

TRULY THE QUESTION OF OUR AGE

I think that due to their advanced intelligence they will not see a possible future where they could be on equal footing with women (due to the female’s natural inclination to boss everyone around), so they’ll settle for a society where they are equal to men.

I’m pretty sure sentient robot ladies would kick you guys to the curb as quickly as actual human females. Especially since two sentences ago the only sentient robots you were interested in were of the sexy sex slave variety.

Of course, if we do all end up on Mars, women will just eventually send nukes to destroy the colony regardless, out of bitter spite (if they figure out how to press the correct buttons that is, but typically some beta male nuclear scientist would have left blatant instructions beforehand that even a toddler would understand).

Ha ha ladies can’t even nuclear holocaust men right!

Women just can’t handle the fact that men just want to be happy.

Well that’s a bit of an ironic statement to find on the MGTOW subreddit, to put it mildly. I can’t think of a group of men less interested in being happy, or more inclined to wallow in their own bitterness, than MGTOWs.

They can’t comprehend that men are satisfied with an existence of philosophical stoicism, and not artificially superimposing different contrived existentialisms on reality. Either no one but them can be allowed to be happy, or no one period.

Unfortunately, due to this reason I don’t see any possible way it could work out. Women will just kill themselves off once all the men are gone anyway, cuz there’ll be no one to listen to their nagging bullshit.

Better get yourself an agent quick, FalloutFan2, because this sounds like the greatest science fiction novel never written!

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weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Gert called me a twat.

Nick is the one who came in after he was banned to complain about how mean we were to poor, poor Gert

https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/10/28/ten-days-now-election-etc-open-thread/comment-page-7/#comment-1024435

He swept the misogynistic slurs under the rug and defended his use of dog whistle language.

Then he doubled down on it earlier today and refused to apologize or even acknowledge why people were upset about this, merely saying we should excuse it because he’s a lefty who doesn’t grasp issues outside of class and imperialism.
https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/10/28/ten-days-now-election-etc-open-thread/comment-page-9/#comment-1027619

It really fucking annoys me when people act like an ass in one thread and then post like normal in another as if no one is going to notice. Anyone who thinks I should be nice to someone uses misogynistic insults to me is a misogynist by association in my book.

Like I said, if others wish to engage him, I’m not going to try and stop them, but I’m uncomfortable with his behavior and I’m not going to let him get away with either.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago

Ohh, sorry, I thought you meant that Nick had called you that.

Not that defending Gert’s use of it is any better.

I’m really sorry, I got super-focused on one part and ignored the rest. Shitty of him to do, and shitty for me to miss it.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

No worries. I wasn’t trying to guilt you at all. I’m a forgiving person when someone is actually remorseful and they learn from their mistakes. When they don’t, I’m what one might call a nasty woman. I couldn’t resist bringing it up. Being an ass in one thread and then trying to post normally in the other is kind of…I dunno, gaslighting might not be the right word although that’s what’s coming to mind. It’s manipulative anyway and I’m not surprised it went unnoticed until I pointed it out.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago

I know you’re not chastizing me, I’m chastizing me 😉 I did notice it, but didn’t want to, I dunno, cross the streams? I heard you’re not supposed to do that. I’m just not very confrontational, really!

Kevin
Kevin
3 years ago

FalloutFan2 hasn’t realized that RGTOW (Robots Going Their Own Way) might be a thing once the sentient AI community realize what d***s meatbags (to quote Bender, I believe) and their ilk can be…

Nick G
Nick G
3 years ago

Saying “consciousness is input + modeling + prediction + output” is all well and good, but it’s insufficient, otherwise we’re surrounded by conscious systems. – Scildfreja Unnýðnes

I don’t think there’s some kind of line a system crosses to be conscious – rather, it’s a matter of degree depending on the complexity of the processing involved, and particularly on the sophistication of self-modelling – and in borderline cases, of choice – whether we call a system conscious. Indeed we can sees gradations and borderline cases even with human beings – what about someone in a PVS, or “unconscious” from anesthesia but (as it later turns out) still able to hear, or someone with a “split brain”, or Korsakov syndrome, or…

Nick G
Nick G
3 years ago

weirwoodtreehugger,
You appear to be assuming I must agree with your assessment of the previous thread. I don’t. Hence, I see no need to apologise.

He swept the misogynistic slurs under the rug and defended his use of dog whistle language.

That’s simply false. It’s false to allege that I was OK with Gert calling you (or anyone) a twat – indeed, I specifically said that he had been unnecessarily rude, and used sexist insults. I questioned whether his use of “articulate” to describe Obama was a “dogwhistle” – that is, a deliberate implied insult to other black people. I still see no reason to conclude that it was.

refused to apologize or even acknowledge why people were upset about this, merely saying we should excuse it because he’s a lefty who doesn’t grasp issues outside of class and imperialism.

People can follow your link, and see that it is, again, simply false. I did not say anyone should excuse Gert.

Nick G
Nick G
3 years ago

Scildfreja Unnýðnes,

I did not excuse Gert calling weirwoodtreehugger a twat. That’s just false. If weirwoodtreehugger, or anyone else, can quote me doing so, I will indeed apologise.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
3 years ago

Seems like at least some of JB’s readers are turning against Suzie because she’s “a girl”. They’re jealous that she got a whole blog post about how she got banned from WHTM, while the poor men who have been banned from here got no attention whatsoever. Boo hoo, they’re being oppressed!

Another example of how anti-feminists always eventually turn and start harassing anti-feminist women. They’re women, after all. Sorry, I mean “girls”.

Skiriki
Skiriki
3 years ago

IP:

Warning: brace your sarcasm buffers or overflow may occur.

GOSH! Who could have predicted that!? Especially when she was all “not like all the other girls”, the Cool Girl dissing other “girls”.

GOSH! SO SHOCKING!

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Petal
So, Mrs Hardie-Bloomfield was a dastardly gynocrat the whole time? Swerve! Also totally has nothing to do with the fact that guy trolls can never even fake civility and thoughtfulness for any extended period of time. Hairt, Miggy, Timmark, etc. Nope, just 2 antifem gals plotting you fellas’ oppression with guest posts…

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Nick,

I know you don’t see the problem with clutching your pearls over how mean we were to an admitted troll who uses misogynistic slurs against women who disagree with him. I wasn’t expecting you to apologize because you showed your true colors in that thread.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@Skiriki
For 11th dimensional chess masters they show a remarkable lack of self restraint.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@Petal
Wow, those guys are angry about getting banned everywhere. Here’s a good one:

Men get the ban hammer online and are harassed into silence every hour of the day, we get insulted in almost every reply to our comments, and women continually intrude into the very few places men try to claim as our own in the digital sphere. Then we get to put up with a never ending media campaign in every ad, show, movie, paper, or magazine letting us know we are “losers” and “evil” for some nefarious reason while showing everyone how angelic and superior women are. They can do it all ya’know… Better than those “creepy” man babies.

Yet here we are, once again, poor little girl gets slapped and the entire world MUST STOP TO LEND AID… Let us know when the Marines Arrive, The Navy is on it’s way and I heard SWAT is rolling too. Hospitals are standing by and a book deal is being drawn up to make your plight know to all of humanity!!

Meanwhile, in reality, another man has set himself ablaze on the courthouse steps……

That thread goes on to get really pro-abuse really fast. :/

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

Damn, I’m happy that I would have to take proactive measures to let that message board load on my browser. It sounds like a clusterfuck in the comments there.

Who could have predicted that misogynists would not be down for sympathizing with a woman???

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

A,defense of Thomas Ball. An oldie but goody.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@Nick
Are you intentionally misinterpreting what WWTH is saying? She didn’t say you specifically defended his use of twat. She said you swept it under the rug, and you did. You brushed it off as a minor thing and wrung your hands over how mean everyone was being to Gert and how his use of misogynistic slurs and racist dogwhistles* was not nearly as bad as how mean we were to him in response to his behavior. [Source]

*Which you insist he must not know are dogwhistles despite him having already thrown his gloves down and said he was going into full troll mode.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

Nick, you are not a good person. You made that choice when you decided to defend a misogynist troll. Don’t expect to be treated like a good person until you actually are one.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
3 years ago

The JB commenters are also whining about how oppressed men are in the MRM, since they’re forced to listen to women like GWW, CHS, JB and so on. There’s just no end to how oppressed the poor men are. 🙁

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago

@Nick G,

I’ll take you at your word, that you’re not trying to make trouble, you just hold a different opinion – we all do that. I honestly believe this to be the case, too!

There’s a major perspective clash going on right now. The proper thing to do is to put on the other person’s glasses, as it were. Find the perspective of the person or people you’re arguing against. Try it on, see how the world changes when you look through those lenses. Understand how and why they’re prioritizing the way they are.

You’ve inadvertently hurt or offended. So did I, actually. Find that hurt, find how and why it happened. That’ll be the key to the disagreement that’s going on here. Give that a try, cool down a bit, and then come back once you’ve figured out the difference in perspective.

I hope that helps!

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@Petal
I saw that! They were complaining in JB’s site that JB has created this space for them to use instead of a man doing it. So…um…how hard is it to sign up for WordPress or blogspot and create your own space? You can even make it a no-girls-allowed club.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

Men Going Their Own Way from the Men’s Rights Movement! Menception!

LindsayIrene
3 years ago

Aw, Susan’s little plot backfired on her? This is how sad I am for her.
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weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

I’ll be nice and dispense a little feminism 101.

Part of patriarchy is that women are expected to prioritize the feelings and needs of men over ourselves. No matter how shittily they treat us. When you say it’s unjustified to be mean to a man who uses misogynistic slurs, you are committing a misogynistic act. You are enforcing the patriarchal expectation that women put up with misogyny because men and their feelings are more important.

Men do not get a get out of misogyny free pass because they identify as leftist, progressive or liberal. Nor do they get one for identifying as a feminist oriented feminist ally. Expecting women to give sexist behavior a free pass to men just because they claim to oppose misogyny is a misogynist act.

Most spaces online and off allow for casual misogyny and discourage women for objecting to it. This is not one of those places.

Deal with it.

Nick G
Nick G
3 years ago

Are you intentionally misinterpreting what WWTH is saying? She didn’t say you specifically defended his use of twat. – kupo

She said, specifically, and falsely, that I excused it.

You brushed it off as a minor thing and wrung your hands over how mean everyone was being to Gert and how his use of misogynistic slurs and racist dogwhistles* was not nearly as bad as how mean we were to him in response to his behavior. – kupo

That appears to me to be a considerable distortion. Here’s what I said in the comment you link to:

Gert was certainly unnecessarily rude, and used a couple of sexist insults – and of course David is fully entitled to ban anyone he wants – but a lot of the responses to him were unjustified.

The rest of the comment set out why I felt some of the accusations against Gert were unjustified, and which of his criticisms of Clinton I considered justified. I did not “wring my hands”, and I did not compare Gert’s behaviour with the response to him.

Nick, you are not a good person. You made that choice when you decided to defend a misogynist troll. – Policy of Madness

Thank you for your assessment of my moral worth, which I will take for what it’s worth. In my first comment on the other thread, I made quite clear that I accepted the Gert had been unnecessarily rude, and had used sexist insults, but that I considered some of his points to be valid. I also thought – and still think – that the accusations of racism with regard to Obama were unfair; and I thought (but was convinced otherwise by good arguments put forward by Scildfreja Unnýðnes and Axecalibur) that the accusation of antisemitism was unfair. My view is that even a misogynistic troll may make worthwhile points, that those points should not be dismissed simply because of their source, and that accusations made against them may also be disputed. It appears that the general view here is the opposite. I’ll bear that in mind.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes,

Perhaps those accusing me of things I did not do could profit from your sage advice? As I’ve no wish to make this thread all about me, I will not contribute to it further, and will take a break from the site for a couple of days. But if others continue to level personal attacks at me on unrelated threads, I think it will be quite clear who is being unreasonable over a difference of view.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

I have not distorted what you said. You DID brush off the misogyny. That’s what the ‘but’ in your sentence does. WWTH did NOT specifically state that you excused the use of twat. She said you brushed it off. You won’t even read what’s actually being said and instead you make up strawmen. I will not engage you any further as you’re clearly only interested in being right and don’t care about how your actions support a system of patriarchy that demands that women put men’s feelings before their own.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Moving to a different thread doesn’t magically erase your behavior.

And no, we don’t have to consider the points of misogynistic trolls valid.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

I also thought – and still think – that the accusations of racism with regard to Obama were unfair

Go figure…

My view is that even a misogynistic troll may make worthwhile points

Wrong again. A troll can’t make worthwhile points, cos a troll is inherently not worth anyone’s while

But if others continue to level personal attacks at me on unrelated threads, I think it will be quite clear who is being unreasonable over a difference of view

The passive aggression, I can taste it. The problem isn’t a “difference in view”. You refused to apologize for hurting someone. As I said in the other thread, that means something
Also, after calling Obama ‘articulate’, Hairy referred to him as a ‘specimen’. Don’t tell me he wasn’t being a massive racist. Jackass

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago

Mm.

Eálá þéodenes þrym.

May time bring insight.

EJ (The Orphic Lizard)

@NickG:
You’re a smart person. kupo, WWTH and Policy of Madness are all smart people too. If three smart people say that the sky is green when you think it is blue, consider the possibility that you are mistaken.

Apologise, accept, move on. Don’t dig in, please.

Viscaria
Viscaria
3 years ago

One day: I mean, sure, he used a couple of misogynistic insults, but is that really a big deal? Is that really so bad that he deserves the grave punishment of not being able to broadcast his racist opinions all over these comment threads? I say thee, no!
The next day: Hey wait how dare you suggest that I excused his misogynistic insults. That is very insulting and wrong and bad.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

Nick, here is exactly where you are doing everything WWTH and Kupo are saying you did:

Gert was certainly unnecessarily rude, and used a couple of sexist insults – and of course David is fully entitled to ban anyone he wants – but a lot of the responses to him were unjustified.

No, dumbass. All of the responses to him were fully justified. Gert is racist, misogynist, and a self-identified troll. Being nice and kind and understanding and polite and gentle to a racist, misogynist troll is not actually required and being mean and short with Gert was fully justified.

I want you to look deep into yourself and ask yourself why you think it’s unjustified for women and people of color and allies thereof to not coddle the feelings and emotions of a male-identified person who is being racist, misogynist, and trolling.

Yes, I have made an assessment of your moral worth. You think it’s unjustified to be other than gentle and kind to someone who is racist, misogynist, and a troll. There is a moral value in that position and it is not a positive one.

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