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“Red Pill” director Cassie Jaye hits a new low with her appearance on a white supremacist podcast

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Odd couple: Matt Forney and Cassie Jaye

Filmmaker Cassie Jaye seems to have developed a weird affinity for bigots.

First, she cozied up to some of the most hateful figures in the Men’s Rights movement during the filming of her documentary The Red Pill.

Then, when her funding for the film ran out, she happily accepted financial assistance not only from the actual subjects of the film but also from a motley assortment of far-right ideologues — among them a notorious quasi-journalist who was famously tossed off of Twitter after his fans barraged Ghostbusters star Leslie Jones with racist abuse, and a delusional Trump superfan who literally believes he gave Hillary Clinton the flu with his mind. (After a big donation to Jaye, he got himself an associate producer credit on her film.)

Now she’s trying her best to drum up interest in her film, which has barely drawn any notice at all outside the overlapping spheres of alt-right lady haters and MRAs since it premiered at a New York theater earlier this month.

While The Red Pill got a glowing, if rambling, “review” from new pal/volunteer fundraiser Milo Yiannopoulos at Breitbart, and a somewhat less-enthusiastic thumbs-up from Cathy Young at the right-wing internet tabloid Heat Street, the two real film reviewers who’ve bothered to give it a look have panned it.

Katie Walsh at the Los Angeles Times took issue with the film’s “uncritical, lopsided” argument, complaining that Jaye “twists herself in knots to justify the movement’s misogynist rhetoric.” The Village Voice’s Alan Scherstuhl dismissed Jaye as an inept “propagandist” and warned potential viewers that, as the headline to his piece put it, “You Can’t Unsee ‘The Red Pill,’ the Documentary About a Filmmaker Who Learns to Love MRAs.” (His review of what he described as an “agonizing” film caused much wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the MRA crowd.)

With little hope of attracting positive attention from film critics, and apparently desperate for any publicity she could get, Jaye agreed to appear on the podcast of an internet-famous bigot who has been described by one critic, not without reason, as “THE MOST WARPED USELESS PEICE OF SH*T THAT I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE TO ENCOUNTER [on the] INTERNET OR ELSEWHERE.”

I am talking, of course, about the rape-excusing, abuse-encouraginglady-hating, gay-baiting white supremacist Matt Forney — he’s the one on the left in the photo below.

https://twitter.com/basedmattforney/status/787198238575120384

She didn’t just give Forney a couple of minutes of her time; she sat down with him for roughly three-quarters of an hour for his podcast “This Alt-Right Life.” It’s a singularly unedifying discussion. At one point she mentions that she used to get into arguments with her boyfriend every month about nothing, something she now jokingly blames not on PMS but on her (former) feminism.

Badump-tsssh!

She also expressed sympathy when Forney mentioned that he himself had been the victim of a “false” rape accusation. (Imagine that, the author of a blog post titled “Why Girls Rarely Mean No When They Say No” being accused of rape!)

Not that long ago, Jaye was by all appearances a staunch opponent of pretty much everything Forney and his alt-right pals stand for.

In 2012, she released a documentary titled “The Right to Love,” which, according to its description on IMDb, is the portrait of a “Californian married gay couple and their two adopted children,” fighting against the forces of “discrimination, ignorance and hate” who would deny them their right to marry and raise children.

Now she’s appearing on the podcast of a guy who is a virtual embodiment of this ignorance and hate.

It’s not as if evidence of Forney’s despicable views is hard to find, and not just in the WHTM archives. The name of his podcast contains the phrase “alt-right.” In the list of “popular posts” highlighted in the sidebar of his blog one finds such lovely titles as “How to Crush a Girl’s Self-Esteem” and “Why Fat Girls Don’t Deserve to Be Loved.” (Neither title is meant ironically.)

And then there is the endless stream of racist, misogynist and homophobic abuse that is his Twitter account. Some highlights from the last several days:

https://twitter.com/basedmattforney/status/790064680907792386

https://twitter.com/basedmattforney/status/790364983171354625

https://twitter.com/basedmattforney/status/790367816360857601

https://twitter.com/basedmattforney/status/790050589598162944

https://twitter.com/basedmattforney/status/789976518596362240

https://twitter.com/basedmattforney/status/789633067791122432

That last tweet — a reference to Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet’s practice of murdering people by throwing them from helicopters — is technically a death threat, aimed at a National Review writer who has gotten many such threats from Forney’s colleagues in the alt-right, including photoshopped images of his 7-year-old daughter being gassed in a Nazi death camp.

Are these really the sorts of people Jaye wants to align herself with?

In his “review” of The Red Pill, Milo claimed, without evidence, that a virtual army of feminists was “scrambling to stop Cassie Jaye” and her film. In fact, feminists have mostly ignored The Red Pill. And the person who has done the most to damage Jaye’s credibility is, well, Jaye herself.

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Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

Many college students are now protesting and even trying to prevent talks by certain speakers from taking place on their campuses.

Which manospherian was shooed from college campuses recently again? I have a feeling this is about something that happened several weeks ago.

Also, like, you’re 52 years old, you should know how free speech works. People can literally talk anywhere that they’re welcomed to anyone who will listen, like on the streets, bars, their own blogs or Reddit or whatever. Someplace that won’t let them get paid for talking? Don’t effect their ability to say stuff.

Hell, if they really cared about their message, they’d just put all their shit on the net and advertise the URL for free. There’s plenty of web hosting and blogging platforms that are free that they can say whatever they want on it, barring it doesn’t involve terrorist threat because you can’t just say anything. The whole shouting fire in a crowded movie theater thing.

JoeB
JoeB
8 years ago

Which manospherian was shooed from college campuses recently again? I have a feeling this is about something that happened several weeks ago.

Milo did again recently. I liked Ken White’s description of it as being dumb college admins continuing to throw Milo into the briar patch.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
8 years ago

sigh. Is it just me being grumpy, or is every time I hear someone go all “I’m a liberal feminist and back in my day we were happy to give sexist assholes a platform” I hear nothing but “get off my lawn you jackanapes!”

For a bonus, here’s some 70’s feminists protesting their university:

http://knowyourix.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/IMG_2699.jpg

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

My favorite part of this history of college protests

http://time.com/4347099/college-campus-protests/

Student protest in America is as old as college itself. A pamphlet prepared in 1969 for the benefit of overwhelmed administrators collects a few early examples: In 1638, Harvard students took the beatings that came after they griped about the cooking of the house master’s wife, and in 1766, the campus hosted what is considered the first American student protest—the Butter Rebellion. As the story goes, the butter served on campus was so bad that one Harvard man (Henry David Thoreau’s grandfather, to illustrate how long ago this was) cried out “Behold, our butter stinketh!—give us therefore butter that stinketh not.”

I can’t really recommend it otherwise. There’s a little bit of “kids/social media these days” tone to it.

Troubelle
Troubelle
8 years ago

@ Axecalibur

Shut up, you ray of sunshine, you ?

I would prefer moonbeam, but technically that’s just reflected sunshine. So…hey, whatever works.

Heh. Should this be my first append? Sunshine Shipper? Moonbeam Malcontent?

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
8 years ago

I vote for moonbeam malcontent.

N-no reason

http://data.whicdn.com/images/61504028/large.gif

EDIT: hee hee, that’s a great article, WWTH. “Behold, our butter stinketh!”

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/26121506/images/1374286960524.jpg

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
8 years ago

@Troubelle
‘Moonbeam Malcontent’ is kinda perfect in a poetic artistry kinda way. I vote that 🙂

numerobis
numerobis
8 years ago

Fruitloopsie: kitty!!!!11!eleventyone!

Remember to let Misty know that scratching and biting humans isn’t nice. A little “pssht” *every single time* she does it (consistency is critical) will likely do it.

Very quickly, my kitties caught on, and when tempted to scratch or claw me they’d instead lick their paw. Six years on, when they play with my hand it’s stalk, stalk, POUNCE-lick-lick.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
8 years ago

@ Scildfreja, Axecalibur

The people have spoken!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 years ago

As a 52-year-old liberal

As an okapi with opposable hoofs, I automatically give the squinch-eye to any sentence starting with “As a…” on the internet.

Particularly when the person then goes on to state an opinion more commonly held by Golden Mean Fallacy-spoutin’ sea lions than 52 year old liberals:

I myself have noticed a strange authoritarian mindset creeping into the left wing.

Funny, none of the liberals I hang out with have noticed this. I mean, mammals! None of my fellow grazing giraffid mammals!

…Oh, maybe that_susan meant he/she is “liberal” in the Australian sense?

Weird (and "I'm with Nasty Woman") Eddie
Weird (and "I'm with Nasty Woman") Eddie
8 years ago

“I’m a liberal feminist and back in my day we were happy to give sexist assholes a platform”

Nuh-uh, at least not where I come from… 1974 and at quite the conservative midwestern college, one William Shockey was invited to come share his views on semiconductors, segregation and white supremacy, and the student body got him tossed before he even got there….

Croquembouche of patriarchy
Croquembouche of patriarchy
8 years ago

Wow!
When I saw the way this comment thread had exploded while I slept, and the drive-by Cassie fan on page one, I thought there had been another troll invasion.
Thanks to all for the perspectives on appearance shaming. I won’t add my own now, since the discussion has died down.
Except to add in response to

Banananananana dakry:
Roosh, who is objectively not a bad-looking guy, but I can hardly stand to even look at photos of him… And while we’re at it,Trump… The ugly just leaks out of all of them and is smeared all over the place so you just can’t stand to LOOK at these men.

I experience cognitive dissonance every time I see a photo of bearded Roosh, or Trump as he appeared in the eighties and nineties, because they strongly physically resemble the men two boys I went to high school with became.
Neither are close friends of mine, but both are decent, considerate people I’m always happy to see. So when I see a picture of Roosh or 80s-Trump, I have an initial happy frisson, and then reality sets in :\
Both my friends I consider quite handsome, too.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
8 years ago

Also….I missed a thing the other day. Set up Gravatar, so now what? -nervous laughter-

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
8 years ago

NEVER MIND! My glorious little mime in the dapperest man’s attire is my flag, and I wave it with pride!

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
8 years ago

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
http://media3.giphy.com/media/AT6LbRAazEoPm/giphy.gif
Swell pic too!

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
8 years ago

@Axe

It’s Wes from Don’t Starve, garbed in the suit of Maxwell from the same game.
Wes is the best smol, and Maxwell….well, there’s always more behind men of his stature than what comes at first glance.

I like to think that the two don’t get on very well, with Maxwell being annoyed at Wes and Wes absolutely hating Max’s guts, but that’s a story for another day.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
8 years ago

numerobis
Misty can actually tell when I’m hurt/she went too far and apologizes by rubbing her head against me, hugs and ‘boops’ me without me telling her, she’s really nice but yeah I do tell her ‘no’ and she understands.

Misty even tries to not knock down/over or scratch anything like furniture or other objects and I didn’t even tell her to. But when she does I’ll stop her and teach her it’s wrong.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

@Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent

Someone who likes Don’t’ Starve.
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My fav is Wigfrid because I survived 34 days with her, which is the longest I’ve ever gotten.

Also,

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
8 years ago

@ Handsome Jack

Dude. You like Gravity Falls, and you take your alias from a game that I like….and a character my SSO tends to swoon over in her spare time!
Needless to say, gesture reciprocated!

I’m one of those DS fans who can go on and on about headcanons, though. The dynamic between Wes and Maxwell is a big one.

ETA: LMM is also a good.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent
8 years ago

@Scildfreya

You’re too kind.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
8 years ago

Where I first encountered Lin Manuel:

Catalpa
Catalpa
8 years ago

If we set out today to impede the free speech of only those whose opinions we find most objectionable, who’s to say that tomorrow, the cultural tide will have shifted and liberals will be the ones everyone is trying to dismiss as not worth listening to?

“Free speech is incredibly important! Unless someone, particularly private citizens and in no way government entities actually bound by the first amendment or even in the USA where the amendment applies, wants to try to use their free speech to prevent someone from speaking at one particular venue. Then that’s bad and you shouldn’t do that. Unless it’s me using MY free speech to tell you that you can’t use YOUR free speech to try to prevent assholes people from spewing shit everywhere and getting paid for it exercising THEIR free speech!”

It’s all about consistently applied standards, you see. And ethics in video gaming.

Stop trying to curtail my free speech by telling me what I can and can’t say, Susan! After all, if the manosphere has a problem with my ideas then they can just bring it up during my Q&A session. Or possibly relentlessly bombard me with death and rape threats online. Free speech!

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
8 years ago

I never was able to get into survival games, but if you let me do something like this:
http://i.imgur.com/jgu574E.jpg
I’d probably would be more interested.

JoeB
JoeB
8 years ago

Oh, man, it’s been a while* since I’ve played Don’t Starve, need to this week. Always Wolfgang, feeding yourself gets way easier as the game goes on, the combat stays super unforgiving.

*I think the last time was during one of the R primary debates bc I complained about it distracting me from the game and got the reply

There was a lot of “just fend for yourself” and then monsters everywhere.

To be clear I’m talking about Don’t Starve

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