The debate is here! (Well, as I write this, almost here.) And I am practically jumping out of my own skin. How about you all? Discuss.
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Sunday Night Presidential Debate Open Thread Oh My Lord It’s Happening
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so this is hilarious
@CalmDown
First, I love your picture and name!!!!
Second, that guy totally won the night
That woman behind him is pretty great, too; she’s pulling a face like Trump just farted.
If any of you remember, President Obama recently said that Secretary Clinton was the most qualified person to ever run for president. I don’t know how everyone else feels, but that makes me extremely angry. The reason this makes me mad is that for a woman to run, she must be the most qualified person ever. I don’t want Hillary to be the most qualified. I want her to be enough, but because she is a women, she has to be the most qualified person that has ever run.
I am not very good at expressing myself over text, and I have also had a few bottles of wine, please let me know how I can improve my writing. All my best for america and the rest of the world. I hope you don’t judge america based on trump and what he claims endorse him. Thanks and sorry :/
@PeeVee
Yes! The lurking! Can we talk about the lurking for a hot second? What WAS that?
Was it a totally unconscious thing, like when he gets mad enough the predator side comes out? Was he consciously trying to intimidate her? Was he just so totally out to lunch he had no idea what he was doing? Did he think it made him look powerful and assured to the voters? It didn’t, it made him look like one of those creepy, aggressive weirdos that tries to follow you off the bus and you have to duck into a Sears to get away from.
Like, I literally had a very instinctive cringe when he started doing that. He very powerfully invoked that fight-or-flight feeling you get when a strange man is invading your space in a threatening way. I was like, “Run Hillary, run! Put your keys between your knuckles and get out of there!”
So, great job shaking that whole sexual predator image there Donald!
But Hillary, of course, was chill as fuck.
@KittyCartel
Agreed. I’ve been saying for years that if Hillary was a dude, she’d have already finished her two terms by now.
@KittyCartel
Thank you! 🙂
It was interesting that they asked the “Name one good thing about your opponent” question. They didn’t seem to be expecting it though. That’s the standard last question here so candidates have got used to it. Generally they do answer in a nice way but they can also use it to have a subtle dig.
So you’ll get answers like:
“I admire my opponent’s willingness to stick to his/her guns and not court popularity”
Translation:
“My opponent’s policies are so outlandish not even his own party let alone the electorate would vote for them”
Or
“Your commitment to social justice issues and fairness have demonstated a real principled stand”
Translation:
“Which is in contrast to the rest of your party who’d be quite happy drowning puppies for shits and giggles”
@kittycartel – I hear ya, it is outrageous that she has to be the most qualified ever. But without being complacent, it is the way it is. We should be outraged.
Obama isn’t clean on this either – he used a lot of smears and slurs and subtle innuendo (he’s a much smoother politician so of course he was going to be subtle). I was sooooo angry with him 8 years ago that I actually didn’t vote in the election. (If I’d been in a swing state, I would have voted for him, but the electoral college system gave me the opportunity to be spiteful). Although he has never apologised, I honestly believe that he has changed and grown as a person, unfortunately, like many men, I think it’s because of realising this affects his daughters – but hey, whatever the reason.
I didn’t watch the debate – it’s too late my time. But woke up to the news that Trump did well enough to ‘still be in it’.
WTF? This guy is talking about JAILING his political opponent on vague nothingness when he has no power and people are thinking about giving him that power???!!!! That is not how democracy works. This guy is a threat to democracy. I don’t know how much plainer to put it. I’ve thought that the Republican candidates have all been dangerous men since the time I was politically cognisant, but not this dangerous. Not dangerous enough to destroy what cannot be put back together without significant blood, sweat, toil and tears and time – more time than we have.
Did anyone check out Kathy Shelton’s twitter? She was supposedly the victim in the rape case from that Clinton meme.
I don’t know how to react to it all. Of course, I’m not gonna start swinging at a rape victim or deny her feelings. I wouldn’t engage with her at all. However, her tweets are so over the top, entirely focused on thanking Donald Trump for “defending women” and “standing up to [her] rapist’s defender”, etc. She literally tweeted “why is Hillary always on the side of the rapists?” (paraphrased). It’s really disgusting to see.
The fact that this race is between the most qualified Presidential candidate ever, and the least qualified Presidential candidate ever (for a major party), and we still have people claiming her support is because she’s a woman, rather than because of her qualifications, is the ultimate argument for affirmative action. This proves that for many people, there’s no situation in which a woman can ever be considered more qualified than a man, regardless of their actual qualifications.
Is there any way to make it so that every other election only women are allowed to run? :p
I have a theory about Trump’s endless roaming about whilst Clinton was speaking.
The Trump campaign has bought its own propaganda regarding Clinton’s health, and so believed walking about rather than resting on the stool would give it the biggest talking point post-debate. It was calculated so they could spin vigour/exhausted.
Unfortunately, the Trump campaign has the political understanding of a day old chick. Clinton sitting showed respect for the process. Trump not sitting showed, at best, that he doesn’t understand debate conventions. Judging by Twitter, the public has interpreted it as a sexual predator using his physical presence to try (and fail) to intimidate his female opponent. The public isn’t stupid.
I don’t think you have our pantomime conventions in the U.S. but did any other Brits find themselves yelling out:
“He’s behind you!”
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/10/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-debate/
This is great news! If he becomes President Trump, I could be alone with him and he wouldn’t rape me. I am indeed comforted.
Hey, Angela Merkl, I’m sure he wouldn’t rape you either!
@Weatherwax
Some day-old chicks have more sophistication than the Trump campaign.
Or maybe the Trump campaign isn’t to blame. I could see his staff begging him not to do X, Y, or Z — but he’s Mister Trump of Trump Tower, so he does as he pleases.
You can all take a bow, peeps. No need to stop, but just take a bow. What a fantabulous thread. SO MUCH MORE FUN than the actual ‘debate.’
Thanks, David! Right now he’s quite miffed but mostly sleeping after I gave him a new dose of pain meds. He has had water from a bottle and some chicken from a tin (handfed, too) and he has charmed people of two vet stations with his meek manner and cute mews.
Let’s hope he’s soon back to his four feet and scampering around. It is so sad when a kitten is completely down due to aches.
I didn’t watch more than a few minutes of the debate last night. Turns out that watching political garbage while stressed and anxious is not a good idea! So I turned it off and watched a nice video about giant battle tractors combating a metaphor for global warming instead. Much more calming and gentle. Also a brighter vision of the future of our world.
I still get to have a house full of people today, but chances are good that I’ll be able to hide for some of it. This may make the situation better or worse; we will see.
Is it worth watching this debate, though? I have seen some pictures and read through the comments here and elsewhere. Trump is a terrifying bully (why is this surprising to anyone? Of course he’s going to loom behind her like a night terror, it’s what he does). Is there anything worthwhile in there? I’m interested in whether there was anything asked about the wikileaks releases, and actual policy (I was really disappointed in Clinton’s answer to the first question, which depressed me for the mood of the talk overall). Anything in there to see about Clinton that’s worth watching it for?
Watch as he tries and fails to keep the horse race narrative and fails to use Bill Clinton and Bernie Sanders as whiffle bats.
-_- That personally pissed me off the most, Bernie is the polar opposite of Trump and I don’t think he would appreciate having a candidate like Trump, who retweets neonazis, since you know Jewish ancestry. Or the whole “democratic socialist anti race baiting, pro for the people.” And unlike Trump, Bernie and his ideals don’t die with him, it wasn’t about Bernie it was about policy and substance. I can’t say the same for Trump.
@Scildfreja
In your position, I’d skip it. It’s just like the last one but meaner
The wikileaks thing is stupid, immature, naive, vindictive, posturing hogwash. So, just like everything else they’ve ever done. Her answer was the right answer (paraphrased: ‘I was talking about Lincoln playing the politics game to get slavery abolished, that’s how the sausage is made, grow up’), but she didn’t deliver it well
If you like nerd Clinton, you might get something outta her reveling in laying out her specific policy plans. Other than that, nothing really. Lincoln v Douglas this ain’t…
@Alan: Some pantos have been performed in the US (heck, I went and saw one because a friend of mine was in it) but it’s still more of a novelty than a tradition.
Can someone photoshop a silly Trump face over Nosferatu lurking in the doorway for me, since I’m at work? Pretty please and thank you.
@Alan Robertshaw
‘I don’t think you have our pantomime conventions in the U.S. but did any other Brits find themselves yelling out:
“He’s behind you!”’
YES!
How is it possible he was allowed to prowl around and be so physically intimidating ?
If I was her I would have been completely unnerved and flustered, which was clearly the point of the exercise.
Its been said millions of times, and the words just become meaningless through endless repetition, but he is utterly utterly revolting, one of the worst examples of the worst tendencies of the male sex currently in the public eye.
Violence is so rarely justified, but in this case, I entirely support De Niro in his wish.
@calmdown:
Gordon from Sesame Street isNOT happy!
@PI
Cursed cold, why did I think it was a good idea?
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