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Open Thread: Donald Trump brags, on tape, about sexually assaulting women

Big mouth strikes again
Big mouth strikes again

So Trump’s been caught on video bragging about grabbing unsuspecting women “by the p***y.”

Watch the video in this tweet and throw up in your mouth a little:

Yes, this is horrible Trump revelation number two billion and seven, but this one looks like this could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, and Republicans are scrambling to condemn his comments and distance themselves from their nominee.

I don’t have much to add here but I think some of you probably do.

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Nick G
Nick G
4 years ago

Who the fuck talks like that at the dining room table? – Marinerachel

Ooh, I know this one! Donald Trump. 😉

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

Suuuuper anxiety attack day today, apparently. Tension in the chest and a strong desire to hyperventilate. So, that’s fun! I dug a bit too deeply into this whole thing, and then the wikileaks email release got me panicked that this whole strike against Trump would blow over instead of hurting him, like it should.

That’s combined with the fact that there are relatives from England visiting this weekend (which is already enough stress) and it started snowing last night and hasn’t let up yet. So, Im’a hide from the world for a little bit here.

@Fiona, I totally get your problem – going through similar with a friend of mine as well. I don’t think the two of them (who have been tentatively supportive of Trump, mostly just being anti-Hillary) are as deep down the Alt-Right rabbit hole as your friend, but I’m sort of afraid to find out. I wish you best of luck, and do remember to take care of yourself!

Amnesia
Amnesia
4 years ago

@Fiona McCool

It’s your call. I grew up fairly conservative in a very Christian environment and didn’t really grow out of those views until late teens, early twenties, so a lot of the people I know and am friends with on Facebook are from that circle. I did try to just unfriend people at one point, but then I realized actually responding was far more satisfying.

Basically, I try to reserve unfriending for the ones I know there’s no hope of getting through to on any front and trying would only result in brain damage as a result of me beating my head against a wall. Like the guy who once tried to explain to another friend how Obama bowing to the Chinese leader was totally an intolerable display of submission and that (as close to the exact quote as I can recall) “As a male, I probably have a better historical perspective on this.” Despite the fact that said friend he was debating with delves deeply into Chinese and Japanese culture as a hobby. Thankfully, I haven’t had to deal with anybody trying to stalk me/abuse me via Facebook, so haven’t had to block/unfriend anybody for that reason.

However, I also won’t friend my landlord because I get the impression we share different political views, but overall, he’s been an extremely fair landlord who doesn’t shame my mess and respects my space, and I don’t think it’s worth risking our good rapport. A lot of people I think I’m only okay having as Facebook friends because I don’t have to deal with them much offline.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@JCfromNC
I agree with that article for the most part but #6 bothers me. There are plenty of Christians who support Trump and using a logical fallacy against them is unhelpful at best.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Scildfreja

Suuuuper anxiety attack day today, apparently. Tension in the chest and a strong desire to hyperventilate

*smiles from non invasive distance* <3

EJ (The Orphic Lizard)

Come and hide from the world, Scildfreja. You are among friends and are very welcome. We can build a blanket fort and discuss overly honest methods sections, or whatever it is that people do in blanket forts.

Sally
Sally
4 years ago

Guys, I keep seeing dudes respond to the stuff Trump said on tape about grabbing women with “well most men talk and act like this, no biggie”

It’s so infuriating that people can say this and think it’s ok. I’m so pissed. Wtf!

OoglyBoggles
OoglyBoggles
4 years ago

@Sally
And they dare call feminists inherently misandrist. Look in the mirror bub, I have a penis and I don’t have any desire to be a sexual harasser, don’t speak for me.

Sally
Sally
4 years ago

Also, HOW IN THE WORLD do you guys deal with parents or family supporting Trump?? I seriously need help D: i’m starting to really dislike my mother in law.

Sally
Sally
4 years ago

@OoglyBoggles i know right! Holy rojection pls

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

I wish I could hide in a blanket fort, but I have to clean for the relatives that are coming over! They will be here soon and I’d rather deal with the cleaning than feelings of guilt over being ill-prepared! Thank you, though. I’ll be able to relax… sometime next week, I think.

Laugher at Bigots
Laugher at Bigots
4 years ago

Five Thirty-Eight seems to say that it is very likely that Clinton will win. Even in the worst case, her chances are better than 3 in 4. This is encouraging.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

@Sally

I feel you. I’m having trouble containing my disgust with my in-laws.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

I feel a little better looking at this timeline:

http://nyti.ms/2bZv8vQ

Only about 30 or so out of the 140 repubs who have declared they won’t vote for Trump have been from this last controversy.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
4 years ago

Laughter at Bigots- the 538 stuff gives me some reassurance, but any of us with a vote or who’s friends with someone with a vote shouldn’t count on that. Complacency loses elections.

I’ve just had my husband’s best man from our wedding come onto my Facebook and say things like “all men talk like this” when challenged by a man on my feed – he goes “Well, not all men”, when a woman says “gosh, I hope not”, he says “Well, 95% of men.” Then he calls all the women who say they’ve also been groped say hypocritical for supporting Hillary when she laughed at a 12 yr old’s rape. (This is not actually true by the way, but it is a lie which is being widely spread). Interestingly he hasn’t commented on anything I’ve posted since my husband and I separated and he chooses a post where I say it’s disgusting that someone running for President is openly talking about grabbing women’s pussies without their consent.

I’m disgusted. Really, they never talked like that to me before. They both started reading Breitbart shit. I told that shithead that I’ve had enough of his bullshit. This stuff is making my head explode. I don’t know how I could have been that wrong about someone.

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

Laugher at Bigots:

Five Thirty-Eight seems to say that it is very likely that Clinton will win. Even in the worst case, her chances are better than 3 in 4. This is encouraging.

This is where it gets dangerous. The Guardian said “Multiple sources told the Guardian there was a meeting at Republican National Committee headquarters on Friday night, to discuss possible ways to remove Trump from the ticket. The meeting ended with no clear resolution”. It’s not going to be easy to get Trump to step down, but if they manage it, Pence may be harder to beat – and, in his own way, he’s just as odious.

EJ (The Orphic Lizard)

Early voting and mail voting has already started in some places. Surely nobody can change candidates now, can they?

Also: fuck anyone who was fine with Trump until it seemed as though he would lose the election. Even if you’re a spineless bottom-feeder, you should at least have the courage of your convictions. There are slimy things dwelling in the deep ocean which look down on people as disgusting as you.

Neurite
Neurite
4 years ago

(edited to remove/amend my own classic nonpology, how ironic.)

nparker: My apologies. Whether or not I meant to insult anyone with my comment, the fact is that I did, which is what matters.

I guess I (a) thought of this as less like a city bus (where yes, doors often open automatically and which often have somewhat mystifying opening mechanisms) and more of like a large version of a van or shuttle – the door seems to have a pretty straightforward handle that is visible in the video. And (b) what got me wasn’t so much that Trump had difficulty opening the door, but that he didn’t even try to figure it out (I just thought most people would at least look for the door handle, though I could be wrong) – he just stood there and waited for it to be opened for him, even when it became clear the door wasn’t opening.

But all that is just me waffling. The fact is that I insulted you and made you feel like I lumped you in with Trump for something that isn’t actually unreasonable, and certainly doesn’t make you deserving of such detestable company. That was not cool at all, and I apologize.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
4 years ago

@EJ – my understanding is that you can change the candidate but you can’t change the ballot. The ballot is as it is.

What can be done, though is to replace the GOP nominee. Trump’s name would still be on the ballot and the new nominee would receive the electoral college votes based on the votes for Trump’s name on the ballot, if delegates choose to do so. But that’s a hard message to communicate to voters. And withdrawing support for Trump at this point is a finely balanced thing. Maybe you still get the down-ballot benefit of dumping the loser, maybe people say “Gah those GOP folk are a bit muddled right now, don’t think I can vote for them…” or even more likely people who like to vote in the Presidential and were likely Trump supporters just don’t bother to show up so they ain’t gonna vote down-ticket either.

edited: not delegates, electors

Ktoryx
Ktoryx
4 years ago

I’m not even a little bit shocked that he would talk (and act) like this. Anyone with a brain who has known and been harassed by assholes like Trump their whole lives could spot his type a mile away. I am, however, pleasantly surprised to find out that there is a recording of it that demonstrates his character so beautifully, in a way that the even the right wing zealots will be unable to spin; it is delicious. The more approval and ego-stroking fandom he loses, the more out of control he will get; he throws the biggest tantrums when he has been shown up or has humiliated himself. He’s going to completely lose it at the debate and only dig that hole deeper.

My only concern now is the possibility that he might drop out, as many republican politicians are urging him to do. This is the nail in the coffin; he can’t win, at this point. Pence, however, might have half a chance and could actually be more damaging than Trump. We’re not out of the woods yet; it ain’t over till it’s over.

So it seems the country’s fate is hinged on how much ridicule this man’s fragile ego and less-fragile delusions can withstand. If he digs his heels in like a stubborn toddler and insists on going till the end, we’re golden and Clinton has got it. If he breaks and runs away with his tail between his legs, it’s a bit more of a risk; but even then, I’m not sure Pence has had enough time to distance himself from Trump and establish himself in the public sphere for America to feel comfortable voting for him; the republican party just looks like a huge mess at this point, and he’d have to really pull a rabbit out of his hat to compensate for that.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

My Significant Otter voted for Hillary this week.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

@Ktoryx, Pence has denounced Trump, and all of his speaking engagements have been cancelled by Trump’s team.

https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/784838556300836864

So, that’s good, at least.

nparker
nparker
4 years ago

@Neurite

No worries! I appreciate it a lot.

Trump expects everyone to do things for him, and so do his supporters- so many of them seem to think ‘he’ll be surrounded by good people to make the decisions’ is a defence for voting for him. Any other candidate and no one would think of that as a credible thing.

I know Trump is a literal fascist, and I don’t think I’m (and hope I’m not) Godwinning myself if I say this, but it has a certain similarity to the Nazi control of Germany- Hitler was a lazy bum and everyone else did his work for him, and that created ultimately a deeply ruptured country after his rule was over.

Back to the bus thing just a minute, do you mean like a minibus? I just ask because I LOVE minibuses, which is an incredibly odd and eccentric thing to say, but I think it has something to do with reminding me of fun school field trips, and that they seem rather cosy vehicles.

@Sally

I know, right? They call us misandrist and stuff but then always give really negative descriptions that generalise whole swaths of men into them, all while we go ‘we think men are capable of learning to combat their own biases…’

PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

I feel that the hardliner die-hard, straight-party ticket Republicans (like my in-laws) who excused Trump’s ignorant stance on illegal aliens and Muslims did so partly because they didn’t actually know any, so it didn’t really affect them all that much…but everybody knows at least one woman.

They cannot stand Pence, anyhow, (they’re Hoosiers) and this just made them throw their hands up in the air and say “I give up!”

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

Re: Trump leaving the ticket

He would still be on the ballot, as rugbyyogi said, but in half of the states the electors are required by state law to vote for the winner of the popular vote. That would mean Trump if Trump is on the ballot and won the vote, not whomever the GOP tried to subrogate for Trump. In the other half of the states, they would probably vote for Trump if he won, because doing otherwise would basically destroy the electoral college. Americans tolerate the electoral college only because electors vote for the winner of the popular vote. If Trump won the popular vote somewhere and the electors cast their votes for Pence instead, the shit would hit the fan. Electors are generally party bigwigs who don’t want to lose their political influence, so they will vote according to the popular vote in all or almost all cases.

The actual GOP candidate would be a write-in. Write-ins never win. Removing Trump from the ticket would be to concede that Clinton is going to win.

@Ohlmann

The kisses are on the lips, no (visible) tongue. Even kissing people on the cheek or greeting with a hug is not common in the US between strangers. Kisses on the lips are reserved for lovers and partners except in circumstances of cultural variation.

Dalillama
4 years ago

@Podkayne Lives

I doubt it goes beyond that to a point of criminality as opposed to incredible tastelessness. If it does…well, let justice be done though the fucking heavens fall. I still have some illusions about Bill Clinton, but I can give them up if I have to.

I don’t. Bill Clinton is a rapist and serial sexual harasser. He’s total scum. He’s also not in or running for any public office right now, so aside from some musings about the privilege and rape culture that’ve prevented him facing any consequences for his actions, I don’t really see where it’s relevant.

@Moggie

It’s not going to be easy to get Trump to step down, but if they manage it, Pence may be harder to beat – and, in his own way, he’s just as odious.

This is my big problem with all this focus on Trump saying really crass things. The only difference between Trump and anyone else in the Republican field is that he he doesn’t bother with dogwhistles.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

Also, HOW IN THE WORLD do you guys deal with parents or family supporting Trump?? I seriously need help D: i’m starting to really dislike my mother in law.

My parents and I don’t have any conversations about anything important, ever. That’s key to having a cordial relationship with someone who is kind of racist, so we instituted this policy long before Trump came along.

It’s really difficult, though, so I don’t recommend trying it unless you really need a cordial relationship with that individual. I don’t try to maintain friendships with racists, because I am only friends with nice people and racists are by definition not nice people. Most distant family? I don’t need them, so I don’t have to put up with them.

It makes me feel weird to say that my parents’ racism isn’t enough of a dealbreaker with them, but it isn’t. I recognize that this is my privilege talking, but they are my parents.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

PoM : thanks. So it’s *really* creepy, and likely a judicial offense in France too.

(“likely” because I am not a lawyer, but I remember people having got in judicial trouble for things like that)

For my part, I find it harder to forgive family for open bigotry, because they are family. I can deal with a racist landlord or even a racist employer because my relation with them isn’t emotional. While my family don’t get a free pass ; why would I continue to talk to them if they are trying to drag me down with their hatred ?

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Re: Family and Trump support.

It’s not for everyone but I posted the following on Pharyngula.

This certainly needs to be taken advantage with out letting it reduce efforts going forward. I’m thinking about how to best approach it on facebook with my family. I think I’ll start with a passive approach bluntly noting that we can now add sexual assault to Trump’s list of shitty human characteristics, and follow that up some general observations about how the set influences how he interacts with different kinds of and people in general. Then I’ll start in on some of the posts trying to draw moral equivalence in order to change the subject.

As despicable as this is at least it useful for looking at how people try to avoid politically inconvenient things that are objectively terrible to them. The fact that so many of Trump’s other statements, behaviors and beliefs are also objectively terrible matters, but in case the usefulness is in shoring up that bad reputation that was not an object to them until now.

Michael Brew
Michael Brew
4 years ago

@Brony

I considered something similar given one of my uncles is a weirdly strong supporter of Trump’s while most of my family – even the more conservative ones – think Trump is a terrible person. On the other hoof, it’s really annoying trying to do stuff like that.

Dalillama
4 years ago

@Fiona McCool
Someone who likes Trump and Yiannopolous is not a friend of any woman, ever. The best you can hope for is not a specific target yet.

@Kupo

. It’s more about the swing states and the people who typically vote republican but aren’t willing to vote for a man who brags about sexually assaulting women.

To paraphrase Pratchett, Like many people with no actual morals, some Republicans do have standards.

Nauseating. Every one of those tactics were used against me by my abusive ex. I had a dream last night that he and I were still together. We were going to elope but instead realized that we were both miserable and would be better off single, so we split amicably. Way better than the real ending.

*hugs*
@Scildfreja
Gentle *hugs* or other supportive gestures as desired.
@ JCfromNC
From the link:

Tell me you are conservative…Tell me you are Republican. Tell me any of these things, and I won’t make too many assumptions about you. …

Then you’re a damn fool, and seriously blinded by privilege. It is perfectly accurate to assume that anyone who votes Republican is human garbage. Trump is not an aberration, he is what the Republican party stands for and has since 1965. Standing with the Republican party is no different than standing with Trump personally.

I can attest that most people are fairly decent when you get to know them.

No, they aren’t. They are seeking to destroy millions of lives and tens of millions of livelihoods (including their own), in order to better server their vile bigotry. There is no decency in them.

1. You want to be ruled, not governed.

Congratulations, you’ve noticed the common thread among conservatives. I’m very proud of you. Now pull back a little bit, and notice that it’s not just fervent Trumpists, it’s the whole boiling of them.

2. You have no class.

Oooh, classism. Edgy of you. This is basically the only reason any Republicans have a problem with him, because he doesn’t limit himself to genteel bigotry. Being a tacky boor is the least of Trump’s flaws.

3. You are definitely not someone to do business with.

Once again, this idea that rampant cheating at business is somehow unique to Trump. Conservatism goes hand in hand with horrible business practices; the more flags and crosses a business displays, the less you should have to do with them.

4. You are either a racist, or at best, have no problem with racism.

FTFY

5. You have an issue with women.

Gee, ya think? Members of the Party of Misogyny have issues with women? Amazing insight there, champ.

6. You aren’t really Christian.

Meaningless noise. Literally meaningless: the phrase ‘real christian’ has no semantic content whatsoever.

7. You don’t believe in the Constitution.

And what else is new? This is the party that pushes theocracy every chance, in the teeth of endless lost court cases. Once again, this is categorically true of Republicans as a group, and has been for a couple of generations now.

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

Though while I am pretty much 100% his campaign is done and over with, I’m still livid that apparently bigotry is still okay within the US as a basis for policy based on how much anti constitutional bile he spew, and some Access Hollywood crap was caused everyone to jettison the hazardous waste. Part of me feels that a Ted Cruz type of person could possibly keep that bigotry boat afloat after this election season. Anyone who is more politically literate, could you tell me how much the GOP brand is damaged from this election, if at all?

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Michael Brew
It’s a delicate thing. When I know a fight is coming I do the more intense stuff on my wall in an impersonal way so if they want to get intense too they are on my social turf. I am among other things am faith but blunt and determined.

The criticism I do on their posts is of the “friendly and very inconveniant” kind. And I try to go at a slow enough pace that people can think about their reactions.

I do FB in bursts because it does take toll. It’s one I can manage anyway.

I’m letting the specifics of this burst boil in the back of my mind until tonight or tomorrow.

aqua
aqua
4 years ago

Guys Im from the UK, and we are shitting ourselves over here!

Im sure youre not, but please dont be complacent, please, please vote.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

Anyone who is more politically literate, could you tell me how much the GOP brand is damaged from this election, if at all?

Time will tell, but my guess is that it’s just a slight acceleration of what we’ve been seeing anyway. Trump can be convincingly labeled “not a real Republican” for various reasons. He’s not going to hurt the GOP’s rep among non-whites very much, because that rep was already in the gutter. He isn’t doing the Republican rep with women any favors, but again the Republicans already had a shitty rep with all but very specific demographics of white middle-class married women anyway.

The only reason the GOP has such a solid hold on the House is gerrymandering, which is why I say VOTE IN THE DOWN-TICKET RACES BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU MAY THINK. Control of statehouses is critical, but too many voters focus with laser-like precision on the Presidential ticket and care nothing for anything else. Democrats screw themselves and everyone else when they think that voting for a local Republican for the statehouse is okay because of reasons. It’s not okay.

In general, though, Republicans are the party of old racist white people and demographic shifts put them in trouble before Trump decided he was a Republican now. Trump is losing some extra women, but the GOP was losing women anyway.

aqua
aqua
4 years ago

In the few months since Brexit we have seen a legitimisation of racism in my country, that is horrible to behold.
Imagine how that would play magnified many times over if he got in?

I cant even bring myself to name him at this point.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Oogly

Anyone who is more politically literate, could you tell me how much the GOP brand is damaged from this election, if at all?

The Republicans lost 5 presidential elections in a row from 32-48. 1936 was won by over 500 electoral votes. If the Republicans can come back from that, they can come back from anything. The only way to know is to wait and see, I’m afraid

That said, the 1st chance to see is in the weeks after election day. Not whether he loses (he almost assuredly will) or by how much (important but not the story) watch for what the numbers show for women and white women in particular. -20 for the former and any loss at all outside the margin of error with the latter is cataclysmic for them. That’s something they might not actually be able to withstand
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Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

That should say “…fair but blunt…” in my previous comment.

eli
eli
4 years ago

@Brony

I wish you all the best with your facebook project! I’m one of ‘those people,’ as in one who doesn’t use facebook, twitter, etc.

But I have to provide tech support for my mom with her electronics and she shows me stuff on her facebook and has to scroll back and I see things the extended family post. I also have to curate her e-mail when my uncle signs her up for all these RW mailings. Or I have to print an attachment for her and see an inbox full of stuff from her church friends with “HITLARY” “OBUMMER” in the title line. We don’t talk politics. She says uncle and church friends are c[commentpolicy]. I’ve asked her to maybe think about her use of that word, but she thinks I am too.

I see enough to know that most of my extended family are people I wish I didn’t know at all. But I already knew that. Yet it still surprises me sometimes. But there are class issues there as well, so I always feel so conflicted.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

It was my grandmother’s birthday party today and we had some definite uncomfortable moments. Almost everyone is anti-Trump. Except for uncle.

The worst was actually towards the end of the party when he and my grandmother were talking about how they felt it was “inappropriate” for Ellen Degeneres to be out. Apparently, my uncle is gracious enough to allow lesbians to exist. Just not publicly. Of course, me being me, I wasn’t about to keep my mouth shut and I said that if straight people in the public eye aren’t expected to keep the fact that they’re straight a secret, it’s hypocritical to expect gay people to do so. He and grandmother got all huffy and said they were allowed to have their opinion and I was allowed to have mine and they still love me anyway. I said that homophobia is wrong and I’m not going to pretend that I think it’s an acceptable opinion. It was all very awkward. I’m glad I stood my ground though.

What does give me some hope is that my cousin’s kids – the aforementioned uncle’s grandkids – took my side. They’re a 14 year old girl and 9 year old boy. And these kids live out in the country. They aren’t growing up in a progressive city like I did. Hopefully this a positive sign that things are improving with each generation.

Michael Brew
Michael Brew
4 years ago

@Brony

I tend to try leaving my more “controversial” opinions on my own wall, myself. Still hasn’t stopped my grandma from commenting IRL that my posts concerning atheism were somehow offensive, nevermind that I never said anything disparaging about other religions other than – obviously – implying they’re wrong. Which is weird because that side of the family isn’t especially religious.

Erin
Erin
4 years ago

Weir wood, as someone who was raised in the country, in the 80s/90s, with a dad who was a farmer and a mom who was a farmers daughter, I promise you that country people can be progressive. My parents taught me respect for all people. Even though my dad did struggle to understand gay people, he never said hateful things about them or even disrespectful things in the privacy of our home. He certainly didn’t teach us to hate anyone. It was his struggle to learn. And while there was not a lot of diversity in my community, I never thought people with different skin colors or sexual identities were any different from me. And I attribute that to my parents. Country living does not equate to being ignorant.

As for the general question here about family…well my brother, who is one of those Who thinks Trump is the lesser of two evils, is always looking to get into discussions on any number of topics. We use to get in loud arguing matches and we still would if it wasn’t me who learned to balance saying just enough to get him thinking but not so much that we both end up feeling alienated and drive a heated exchange. It is a tricky balance and you really got to know a person. I also learned when to stop the conversation or make a joke to distract. I love my brother but he most certainly struggles with accepting others. I am proud to say though that he’s made some progress and he sincerely is trying to be a better man. Sometimes it takes years or even decades before stuff sinks in and people change. Which is why I believe in relentlessly hammering away at this stuff. When I feel angry with someone though, I do try to remind myself that here at earth school, we have not all learned the same lessons and it’s my responsibility to talk to someone in the best way I can to teach them another way, I try to speak from that place but I am not always successful. I also try to remind myself that people don’t change their opinions over night but they do change them over time.

Lastly, I think this whole Trump thing was a good thing. As frustrating, angering and sad it’s made me, It brought to light how much systematic racism and sexism and hate is still part of our culture. So much of this stuff has been hidden and we are seeing how deep this stuff is rooted. And it’s only then, that we can truly fight it. I think this lastest bit is going to be good for us in having those discussions we need to have. I mean, I already see it with men who are starting to say, ‘hey, that is not how good men talk about or treat women”, were I think ten years ago a lot more guys would have been,” boys just being boys”.

Erin
Erin
4 years ago

I just want to make clear when I talk about talking to people in a way they can hear, I am talking about dealing with family and friends and others who are at least somewhat reasonable. Some people just are never going to get it and their bad karma will follow them around for 50 life times before they do. I am all for calling out the f*ckers who make hate speech though.

I also just want to say that there is an intelligent group of people here and have enjoyed reading many of your comments and learning new ways and points to make to talk about issues that I can use in other places to challenge ignorance.

Bryce
Bryce
4 years ago

Whether to stay in contact with someone with red flag political views is an issue a lot of people will have to face, the political climate across the US/Europe being what it is.

I have a right leaning friend who shares all sorts of ‘Muslim-peril’ type news items over facebook. Hard to imagine why a guy from New Zealand with Maori ancestry would be invested in European new-right nationalism. Could it be misguided, misinformed, searching for something to be angry about (?) Or an actual racist bigot? Of course I’d like to say it’s the former.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

From the linked WP piece

Former presidential candidate Mitt Romney, a Trump critic, said in a statement: “Hitting on married women? Condoning assault? Such vile degradations demean our wives and daughters and corrupt America’s face to the world.”

“You can’t talk about women like that! They belong to their husbands and fathers! How dare you demean those men’s women in such a way.” Yup, there’s the Rodney I remember.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

I promise you that country people can be progressive.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that rural people can’t be progressive. Just that small towns are generally less progressive and diverse than cities and people are often influenced by the culture around them. At least in the US, rural areas are not known for being hotbeds of progressivism.

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
4 years ago

Dalillama says:

This is my big problem with all this focus on Trump saying really crass things. The only difference between Trump and anyone else in the Republican field is that he he doesn’t bother with dogwhistles.

Same here. The video might be bad news for Trump, but it’s a godsend for the rest of the GOP who can pretend that they’re pro-woman by throwing Trump under the bus. For instance, Pence claims to be offended by Trump’s comment, but that’s only because he knows you never grab pussies, you get proxies to force ultrasound probes up them.

Laugher at Bigots
Laugher at Bigots
4 years ago

Also, the Mormon Church’s newspaper, the Deseret News, have denounced Trump and called for him to drop out.

Yes, this is the very same Mormon Church which Brigham Young, not exactly a feminist, once ruled over. He was notorious for his practice of polygamy, having taken fifty-five wives by the time of his death.