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Donald Trump has been more than hinting for some time that he might not accept the election results if he loses, talking endlessly about a “rigged election” at his rallies and telling the New York Times that “we’re going to have to see” whether or not he’ll recognize Hillary Clinton as president if, as seems exceedingly likely, she wins — something he’d promised to do only a short time earlier in the first debate.
Many of Trump’s fans on the alt-right are making clear they absolutely won’t accept Hillary as president — and they’re urging one another to stock up on guns and ammo for the “race war” they think (hope?) will erupt is she wins.
The latest example of this disturbing trend comes from Roosh V’s garbage site Return of Kings.
You may recall Michael Sebastian as the sensitive Return of Kings contributor who was driven to despair by the large number of people of color he encountered on the beach during his summer vacation this year. In a new post on that execrable web site, Sebastian urges his readers to prepare for the totalitarian nightmare that will descend upon America’s embattled white majority ” if the unthinkable happens and Hillary wins.”
And by “prepare,” he means: buy guns and set up”alternative communication platforms” so you can talk to other far-rightists who have also bought guns.
Because if Hillary wins, he ominously warns, it will mean the end of democracy in the US:
If Hillary wins the election, trying to change the country democratically will become impossible. Hillary promises to grant citizenship to the 12 million illegal Central American immigrants already in the US. She also promises to flood the country with more third world immigrants from Islamic countries. …
The only thing preventing the US from going full SJW is white men. Once white men lose their demographic advantage under Hillary, the US will permanently become a leftist state.
At that point, Sebastian sniffs, there will be no point in voting.
What that means for us is that it will not make further sense to pay attention to conventional politics or participate in the democratic process. But that doesn’t mean that we should be passive. We’ll just have to recognize that any positive change will have to come from more difficult, less appealing avenues. …
Don’t expect one huge collapse. Rather, expect a long series of small collapses followed by periods of stability as the government gradually becomes unable to manage the chaos it has unleashed. This will create opportunities for local action to fill the gaps that the crumbling system is unable to address.
Sebastian is careful not to say explicitly what this ” local action” might consist of. But he does have rather a lot to say about the necessity of arming oneself to the teeth.
“Hillary has repeatedly made it clear that she favors more stringent gun control.” Sebastian declares, and will likely stack the Supreme Court with anti-gun justices. She will also, he adds,
move to regulate firearms and ammunition. After all, if you can’t obtain ammo, your gun is useless. If Hillary gets in, stock up while supplies last.
Don’t these guys have enough ammo left over from when they stocked up in anticipation of Obama’s oft-predicted, never-realized “gun grab?”
Or from the time they talked about taking up arms in case The Donald were to be assassinated?
Sebastian also suggests that RoK readers find some far-right buddies in the neighborhood to “work out with, train with … socialize with” and just generally prepare for the apocalypse with. Just make sure they agree with you. As Sebastian notes, you don’t really want “soy-eating, Hillary-supporting, transgender otherkin as part of your crew.”
While Sebastian stops short of explicitly saying ARM YOURSELF RACE WAR NOW, RoK’s commenters are a tad less subtle.
Some samples from the nearly 500 comments on Sebastian’s post thus far:
Not every commenter was convinced that taking up arms would be a sensible way to fight back against potential future SJW dictator Hillary Clinton. But the gun-talkers had ready responses for those who suggested it might be a little less than wise for rag-tag posses of RoK readers to take on the US Army and its more formidable weaponry.
This same fellow had some thoughts on the specific types guns that might come in most handy.
Duly noted.
Others thought they might not even need guns if the only opposition they faced turned out to be nothing more than a gaggle of hipster dudes in skinny jeans.
Just a reminder: These hateful dodos all think of themselves as pretty much the only thing protecting civilization itself from being overrun by the barbarian hordes.
I hope Hillary’s Secret Service detail is prepared.
They’ve probably had to be prepared since Obama was first sworn in.
Ever notice how things go better without Mr. White macho in the room?
The civility level goes up and testosterone levels drop.
White machos are a pain in the ass and a drag on the rest of us.
Those black powder comments are functionally incomprehensible to me. Technically, the details are correct, but anyone who thinks that they need to be laid out like that to anyone who owns a gun or is interested in owning a gun clearly knows nothing about guns themselves… which means that GhostOfJefferson is just parroting what other clueless dudes have said to impress him. His belief, as noted by Not Ian, that a bunch of STEM dudes can take over a factory and make themselves a satellite only confirms this.
Also, all the barfs for the PUA/MRA jerks fantasizing about killing queer people in Napoleonic combat. That’s exceptionally delusional.
@Ben
The funniest part is all of them thinking the Jack Bauer and Die Hard narratives apply to them in real life. The minute they realize that the “moral is inefficient/amoral is efficient” dichotomy is a load of burnt Barbies is the minute they would go against being a supremecist.
I, for one, will welcome the new non-white, non-cishet, non-male overlords. Heaven knows they can’t possibly fuck it up any worse than the old white male ones did.
“Hillary Clinton will be the end of democracy, so we have to institute the civilian equivalent of martial law.”
These people lack the introspection to realize that what they advocate is the actual destruction of democracy. Then again, they also lack the introspection to realize that the 2009/2013 ammunition shortages were because they were buying up all the ammo, creating the shortage.
See, this is the shit that makes me nervous, the crazed white men who are ready to go ballistic with their guns when she wins.
Nequam
Considering Trump has already suggested she should be assassinated, I’d say yeah, they really should be prepared.
I’m not surprised to see them dreaming of becoming domestic terrorists.
@Julia
Hey, no biggie, but could we not? Comments policy, ya know…
It’s stuff like this that makes me imagine the firearms industtry secretly funneling a bunch of money to the Clinton campaign. If she wins they can probably sell guns as fast as they can get them out the door. If Trump wins a lot of the gun crowd will chill out for a bit and not buy anything.
So they’re pretty much admitting that, if they feel they’ve lost control of electoral politics, they plan (well, “plan” – hope? fantasize?) to form death squads and start killing off anyone who doesn’t share their politics, including defenseless civilians? Cool, just checking, good to know.
Whatever. Am I supposed to be scared? These exact same people have been threatening to do this exact same thing every day for the past eight years. If they haven’t actually done diddly-squat beyond a few sporadic, ineffectual shootings and standoffs for the duration of Obama’s presidency, they’re not going to do diddly-squat beyond a few sporadic, ineffectual shootings and standoffs for the duration of Clinton’s presidency. These people have got the barks of pitbulls, and the bites of Chihuahuas.
As a Canadian, I am terrified for Americans right now. Either you get Drumpf who is pretty much Satan incarnate and he ruins the country or you get Hillary and these white guys will ruin it instead.
Sending good vibes and hoping that these douchebags are puffing themselves up to look big and won’t actually do anything.
I wonder if that Trump supporter from the other thread is still sniffing around.
If that’s the case, I’m going to leave this video here. (Thanks, Axe, for leading me to it via your other videos.) Roger, watch the whole thing. All of it. And then tell me that Politifact is somehow wrong or “cherry picking” and not doing anything right.
And then try to tell me, to my (virtual) face, that we should still “try Trump and see what happens”.
@PI
If his posting pattern is anything to go by he keeps posting for a bit, then disengages before doing it all over again. He doesn’t even try a snide goodbye, just stops. I’d be surprised if he came back this early.
@Paradoxy
No prob, fam!
Uhm… off topic, but I hope you’re safe where you are. Apparently this hurricane is particularly bad? We’re far enough inland that we’ll be completely fine, but the warnings still pop up. ‘Florida, Georgia, Carolinas, run for your lives!’ Mildly worried about you and yours…
And anyone else down South, be careful, huh? <3
@Oogly: Yeah. But, if he does come back, I’m just going to leave this video when dealing with him.
Let’s see him claim “cherry picking” after he watches it. :3c
I sincerely hope that FBI keeps an eye on the alt righters…..
Hugely overinflated sense of oppression and entitlement – yup, got that
Internet toughguyness – yep, have it
Incompetence – roger that
Disorganization – check!
The adorable idea that a bunch of angry idiots with Nazi frog memes and Ruger pop guns can prevail against trained troops, Abrams M1 armored tanks, attack helicopters, unmanned predator drones, and a massive surveillance infrastructure – double check!
Does anyone else feel like if Hillary wins, there will be a huge surge in misogyny, similar to the way racists came crawling out of the woodwork after Obama won? I really loathe the way these guys get punitive and threaten mass murder if they don’t get their way.
That’s quite a trick, lisping a word without sibilants.
calmdown:
Don’t forget that one of the right-wing fantasies is that both Clintons have the habit of murdering people who get in their way. Another couple of vacancies shouldn’t be hard to engineer, right?
Hello.
No ! Poor dodos are a funny but sadly extinct specie while those sentient beings are clearly not funny nor sadly extinct… Maybe you can call them hateful dildos, as they have bad vibrations…
Stocking up only ammos and weapons are not going to make you win a siege, unless you develop a super ability allowing you to feast on them, like a salada of 5.56, steak à la poudre noire, and pineapple grenade pie.
I think many of them never really shot at anything else than paper target or animals. Have they really ever experienced the combat stress ? Have they really, one day, fear for their life ? I mean, other than just by mere fantasies and suppositions full of “if” ?
Have a nice day.
(sigh) There are religious people who can really only be objecting to HC because of the specifics of which reproductive organs she has – she has a grown daughter who has started a family of her own, she stayed in her marriage to an unfaithful husband, so what if she wasn’t a stay at home mom, plenty of families across the nation include working mothers. HC has basically done things by their rules so it has to be that unsupported dictate that women simply can’t be in charge of men because, religious book being willfully misread.
(sigh) There are these chucklefucks who think that it’s HC who will be destroying democracy, that it’s time to stock up for the gun-seizing matriarch-alypse with a side of racist-ageddon.
And of course there’s DJT and his sidekick Asshole…I mean Pence, willing to support his political party all the way including by getting linked up with a lying liar-pants oompa loompa. *double sigh*
Anyone want to rent/sell me a place to move to in Canada? 😛
Well, according to GhostOfJefferson, radio now counts as “advanced weaponry”. Forgive me if I don’t throw my hands in the air and surrender right now.