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Donald Trump has been more than hinting for some time that he might not accept the election results if he loses, talking endlessly about a “rigged election” at his rallies and telling the New York Times that “we’re going to have to see” whether or not he’ll recognize Hillary Clinton as president if, as seems exceedingly likely, she wins — something he’d promised to do only a short time earlier in the first debate.
Many of Trump’s fans on the alt-right are making clear they absolutely won’t accept Hillary as president — and they’re urging one another to stock up on guns and ammo for the “race war” they think (hope?) will erupt is she wins.
The latest example of this disturbing trend comes from Roosh V’s garbage site Return of Kings.
You may recall Michael Sebastian as the sensitive Return of Kings contributor who was driven to despair by the large number of people of color he encountered on the beach during his summer vacation this year. In a new post on that execrable web site, Sebastian urges his readers to prepare for the totalitarian nightmare that will descend upon America’s embattled white majority ” if the unthinkable happens and Hillary wins.”
And by “prepare,” he means: buy guns and set up”alternative communication platforms” so you can talk to other far-rightists who have also bought guns.
Because if Hillary wins, he ominously warns, it will mean the end of democracy in the US:
If Hillary wins the election, trying to change the country democratically will become impossible. Hillary promises to grant citizenship to the 12 million illegal Central American immigrants already in the US. She also promises to flood the country with more third world immigrants from Islamic countries. …
The only thing preventing the US from going full SJW is white men. Once white men lose their demographic advantage under Hillary, the US will permanently become a leftist state.
At that point, Sebastian sniffs, there will be no point in voting.
What that means for us is that it will not make further sense to pay attention to conventional politics or participate in the democratic process. But that doesn’t mean that we should be passive. We’ll just have to recognize that any positive change will have to come from more difficult, less appealing avenues. …
Don’t expect one huge collapse. Rather, expect a long series of small collapses followed by periods of stability as the government gradually becomes unable to manage the chaos it has unleashed. This will create opportunities for local action to fill the gaps that the crumbling system is unable to address.
Sebastian is careful not to say explicitly what this ” local action” might consist of. But he does have rather a lot to say about the necessity of arming oneself to the teeth.
“Hillary has repeatedly made it clear that she favors more stringent gun control.” Sebastian declares, and will likely stack the Supreme Court with anti-gun justices. She will also, he adds,
move to regulate firearms and ammunition. After all, if you can’t obtain ammo, your gun is useless. If Hillary gets in, stock up while supplies last.
Don’t these guys have enough ammo left over from when they stocked up in anticipation of Obama’s oft-predicted, never-realized “gun grab?”
Or from the time they talked about taking up arms in case The Donald were to be assassinated?
Sebastian also suggests that RoK readers find some far-right buddies in the neighborhood to “work out with, train with … socialize with” and just generally prepare for the apocalypse with. Just make sure they agree with you. As Sebastian notes, you don’t really want “soy-eating, Hillary-supporting, transgender otherkin as part of your crew.”
While Sebastian stops short of explicitly saying ARM YOURSELF RACE WAR NOW, RoK’s commenters are a tad less subtle.
Some samples from the nearly 500 comments on Sebastian’s post thus far:
Not every commenter was convinced that taking up arms would be a sensible way to fight back against potential future SJW dictator Hillary Clinton. But the gun-talkers had ready responses for those who suggested it might be a little less than wise for rag-tag posses of RoK readers to take on the US Army and its more formidable weaponry.
This same fellow had some thoughts on the specific types guns that might come in most handy.
Duly noted.
Others thought they might not even need guns if the only opposition they faced turned out to be nothing more than a gaggle of hipster dudes in skinny jeans.
Just a reminder: These hateful dodos all think of themselves as pretty much the only thing protecting civilization itself from being overrun by the barbarian hordes.
“Stock up on guns, bring your friends/It’s fun to lose and to pretend…”
That’s 16 words. I guess Varonos slept through math class as well as civics class.
I thought Obama had already taken everyone’s guns and begun the 1000 year reign of non-whiteness…
You want “the real men” to do the fighting? Great! Do you know any?
Sorry for the multiple posts, but this column provides an unusually rich harvest of bullshit.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition? For real? That’s what they’ve got?
“They’re gonna take our guns away! Quick–let’s act like exactly the sort of people who should not have access to guns!”
THEY are the barbarian hordes. (Tried to use bold and messed up. I guess caps for emphasis are my speed, sigh.)
This… none of this makes sense. White men make up about 30% of the population of the USA, so if it’s “white men vs. everybody else” they’ve already lost their “demographic advantage”. Additionally, “12 million illegal immigrants” is about 10% of that (just over 3% of the total population), so that in itself wouldn’t even have that big of an impact on the total white dude ratio.
It’s impressive that they’ve managed to simultaneously overestimate and underestimate the number of white dudes in the country.
Also I thought that the Muslim immigrants wanted to establish Sharia law? Since when did they switch over to supporting a leftist state?
Return of Kings is about self-improvement! Roosh just teaches men how to be self-confident!! and etc.
@dlouwe:
I think the alt right either can’t tell the difference, or don’t consider it important. They divide the world into Stuff We Like and Stuff We Don’t Like, with little or no nuance.
Somebody please delete my above comment…I screwed up
ETA: Seems someone already did! Thank you!
“Return of Kings” I wonder if these bozos realize that their God didn’t originally want any kings besides himself.
GhostOfJefferson’s “we have the same advanced weaponry as the U.S. military!” comment gets even better under the cut:
Their little rebellion will have better access to drones and satellites that the U.S. government, because all the real men are in STEM!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7d2ayLb2lg
And
Ok, I’ll admit I’m not any kind of Civics expert, but I feel like these guys really do not get how U.S government works in the most basic sense. How could she even do this? We have ONE seat on the SCOTUS that she MIGHT fill. Otherwise, how many justices are going to die during her presidency, probably none, MAYBE one if she’s elected for 2 terms? Do they not understand that it is a lifetime appointment? This was likely intentional so that presidents cannot do what they are saying she is going to do? Am I missing something, or are these guys just idiots? Or both? I mean this is not advanced this is like High School social studies shit.
Obama’s election v2.
I want another Oregon Standoff
http://f5paper.com/sites/default/files/main/articles/view-little_shop_of_horrors.jpg
Feed me Seymour
Feed me their impotence caught on camera on live tv
@calmdown
Justices resign, and they usually do so when a)they’re old and/or b)the new President is on their ‘side’ of the spectrum. Clinton replaces Scalia, but she also probably updates Breyer and Ginsburg. Maybe also Kennedy, but that’s a bit more fuzzy. That’s either a 5-4 or (dare I dream) 6-3 bench. Huge deal. They should be worried. Or, rather, they shouldn’t. You get what I mean…
I’m not sure if I should be relieved or scared that the right has decided to drop the pretense that their movement has anything to do with small government or liberty and is in fact based on the desire to maintain white male supremacy.
On the one hand, they’ve lost their plausible deniability and are increasingly marginalizing themselves. On the other hand, this means they feel backed into a corner and we can expect violence from far right groups to continue to rise. They’ll lose but they can still do very real harm in the process.
@WWTH
I’d give it a few months/years of one off small attacks from people confused as to why people who generally have their needs and comforts met don’t want to rebel with nazis?
Thank you Axe: That at least makes some sense. I mean, they are still idiots, but I guess their fear is somewhat reasonable? I forgot justices could resign by choice. I might need to go back to high school civics myself. 🙁
Leslie Knope would be so disappointed!
@calmdown
Note that replacing one left-leaning justice with another doesn’t actually make any immediate difference, though. It might deny a future Republican president the opportunity to replace them with a right-leaning one, but that only stabilizes the current balance of power rather than altering it.
@calmdown
Don’t even worry about it. Wikipedia is high school for adults 🙂
but, but, LIE-beral, activist judges!!!11!!