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Red Pill film backer Mike Cernovich mocks MRAs as saddoes who need to hit the gym

The Men's Rights movement, according to Mike Cernovich
The Men’s Rights movement, according to Mike Cernovich

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Trouble in paradise! Just days before the opening of The Red Pill, the apparently quite awful Men’s Rights documentary, one of the film’s biggest backers is mocking Men’s Rights Activists as a bunch of sad men “who clearly need to improve their lives by going to the gym.”

Mike Cernovich, the notorious alt-right Trump superfan and steroid enthusiast, basically bought himself an associate producer credit on The Red Pill with a big donation. But he wants everyone to know that he’s no wimp, like the dudes interviewed in the film.

“When I joined The Red Pill as an Associate Producer, and agreed to match contributions up to $10,000, there was a mutiny among my readers,” he writes in a post on his blog.

How dare I fund a film by a woman? Clearly I went soft, becoming a white knight. (None who cried about me joining The Red Pill as an AP were making their own films.)

But despite the heroism he showed by shoveling money at the film, Cerno doesn’t have much sympathy for the sad men it depicts:

[T]hese sad faces are why I’m not an MRA (and why MRAs have disavowed me many times).

I have no tolerance for male weakness, and many MRAs are men who clearly need to improve their lives by going to the gym. My lack of compassion is rooted in a patriarchal view of traditional masculinity. When life hits you, hit harder.

While he likes the film, and says that he wishes MRAs “nothing but the best” in their struggles against the evils of gynocentrism, or whatever it is they’re fighting against, he reports that

The Red Pill is a reminder that the men’s rights movement isn’t for me. MRAs aren’t my audience and I’m not their voice.

In life you impose your will on reality, or you lose. That’s especially true for men. While MRAs seek to reform the system, my vision is for you to Unf*ck Your Mind.

It’s really kind of amazing that he managed to avoid the alt-right’s favorite c-word — cuck.

Cerno’s sentiments have not gone over well with some of the staffers at, and fans of, A Voice for Men, the Men’s Rights hate site at the center of the film, and they have swarmed the comments on Cerno’s blog to express their vociferous objections.

AVFM “Chief Public Relations Officer” Suzy McCarley launches an attack on all of those men who, in her view,

make juvenile pretenses of superiority, while digging ever deeper into their own pits of bitterness. They have given up all hope for anything, even for their own potential autonomy.

I wonder which does more to undermine the well being of the male half of the species – the smug traditional proponents of male disposabiliy, or the snarling dogs in the manger. And are either of them better in principle than feminists and gynocentrists?

A commenter named Bryan Scandrett, meanwhile, takes aim at “Mikes affected manliness,” declaring that

Mike seems happy to tread on the wounded man out of misguided ‘manliness’ and some belief in the unmanly weakness of the wounding. Weird.

He’s actually got a point — one that would be a lot stronger if the Men’s Rights movement actually did anything to help “wounded men” rather than exploiting their pain as an excuse to attack women and scapegoat feminists.

Cerno himself has moved on to attacking Alan Scherstuhl of the Village Voice, who gave the film a pretty scathing review yesterday, on the grounds that Scherstuhl, a professional film critic, “has never produced or directed a film people want to see.”

Wait, what? 

Add “film reviewing” to the long list of things that Mike Cernovich does not understand.

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Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Handsome Jack

I’m not gonna bet against that.

You just want my 5 bucks!

You say that like no one wouldn’t just want five bucks, for real.

I understand that — in theory.

But not when it’s my 5 damn bucks.

No bet!

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

I understand that — in theory.

But not when it’s my 5 damn bucks.

No bet!

Oh, come on! I can use the cash!

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epitome of incomprehensibility

Mike Cernovich wrote:

I have no tolerance for male weakness […] My lack of compassion is rooted in a patriarchal view of traditional masculinity.

That’s not, er, a strong argument. How do you define weakness? Why is it so objectionable (besides offending your “patriarchal view of traditional masculinity”)?

Plus, if I had to sort character traits into “strong” and “weak” based on their usefulness, “lack of compassion” would be on the weak side.

Ktoryx
Ktoryx
4 years ago

@MissEB47/Steampunked:

Oh yes, she lost that dead weight eventually. Though he made such a fuss about it and drew it out for so long that Children’s Aid (the Canadian Social Services) had to step in, which is unfortunate. They mandated supervised visitation only.

I still check his twitter sometimes, and half of what he has to say is bitching and moaning obsessively about how his ex and “the system” has abused him. Children’s Aid is apparently an eeeeevil feminist organization that is oppressing him. Sound like any MRAs you know?

berdache in a previous life
berdache in a previous life
4 years ago

@ Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Is there any practical difference between “impose your will on reality” and “live in a delusional bubble”?

Yes, if imposing your will on reality means bullying those weaker than you or actually using PUAs tactics on a woman.

Well, I suppose you’re still living in a delusional bubble, but those in the bubble with you get hurt.

There’s an implication of powerlessness in delusional bubble that isn’t necessarily so.

JS
JS
4 years ago

Delusional Bubble, for example AH towards the end of WWII, and arguably starting from near the beginning.

Diptych
Diptych
4 years ago

Perhaps a delusional bubble isn’t the best comparison. Instead, we might compare them to the hagfish, exuding a disgusting slime of willful ignorance. This slime expands to create a foul, choking cloud of toxic ideology, suffocating those close to the beast. If caught in the jaws of a critic, the creature can also tie itself in a knot of self-contradictory arguments, slipping free of the need for consistency or logic long enough to flee.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

@Diptych

They don’t deserve the comparison. What have hagfish ever done to you?

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Handsome Jack

Oh, come on! I can use the cash!

I have bad news and good news.

The bad news is I just sent my last 5 bucks to this guy:

Schnookums Von Fancypants is totally not going to scam you, INC (Google us!)

The good news is I will share his reality-bending secrets with all Mammotheers.

You’ll get 5 bucks — and maybe a little more!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!

Looking forward!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!11

Cerulean (Miss A)
Cerulean (Miss A)
4 years ago

@Handsome “Punkle Stan’ Jack

Especially since the slime they can secrete is being studied to create new supermaterials.

Via IFLS (Since my prior comment is probably in moderation with the link. *sad trombone*):

Now that scientists are starting to understand the secrets of the slime, companies are attempting to synthesize it in the lab to create new super materials with a wide range of applications. One startup company for example, Benthic Labs, turned to the Hagfish with the ultimate goal of developing a biodegradable polymer made out of components of the slime itself. They think the slime could be used in everything from protective clothing to food packaging, bungee cords to bandages. That’s because hagfish slime threads have some impressive properties; they might be 100 times thinner than human hair, but they’re 10 times stronger than nylon.

I’d say they’re FAR more useful than JuiceBro and his ilk.

Diptych
Diptych
4 years ago

Yeah, I’m already regretting not going through with the “but that would be an insult to hagfish” tagline. I’d hoped the analogy would make a worthy post on its own.

Benthic Labs

Nice to see the Department of Infernal Rarefactions is still producing good work.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

So Monica Crowley is apparently a conservative columnist — which is news to me, but I don’t go to hateful blogs that promote hatred unless they promise to be (hatefully) entertaining.

And she just won the coveted award Bullshitter of the Day from Salon.

http://www.salon.com/2016/10/05/bullshter-of-the-day-monica-crowley-for-tweeting-about-walls/

BULLSH**TER OF THE DAY: Monica Crowley, for tweeting about walls
The conservative columnist finds inspiration for Trump’s immigration policy where you’d least expect it

It’s a short story.

I’ll make it shorter.

She visited the Berlin Wall, had her photo taken, and tweeted, “Walls work.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yes, Monica, let’s bring back East Germany! It had so much to recommend it: secret police, dictatorship, fear everywhere, and nobody who wasn’t authorized got out of the country or into the country without the risk of being shot.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

East Germany — that’s where a young, heroic Vladimir Putin (oh, those photos of a shirtless Putin on horseback!) got his start as a KGB foreign intelligence officer. I’m all aflutter just thinking about Vlad. Damn that Wendi Deng Murdoch (Rupert Murdoch’s ex-wife) for snatching him up!

Dalillama
4 years ago

Really OT:
IIRC there’s some folks here who have trouble with their thyroid. I have a friend who is suffering from hypothyroidism, and the medications she has been given cause her to become violently sick. If anyone has advice or similar issues, please share anything you have.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

TIWIHL(Today I Wish I Hadn’t Learned): Mike Cernovich has tiny balls.

As others have said: Not okay.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

There’s no question that irrational beliefs can be harmful and have real world effects, but a bubble’s still a bubble. Cerno can posture and preen all he wants, even suck others into his bubble, but he can’t become a godlike (or even decent) human being just by saying he is.

Another way of looking at it: “impose my will on reality” is a synonym for gaslighting.

Joekster-betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
Joekster-betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
4 years ago

@Dalilama: what meds?
@everyone else: teel dear coming. Read on if you’re interested in hypothyroidism.

If it’s hypothyroidism, then I can assume she’s taking some form of levothyroxine, and there are a couple caveats she should be aware of.

First, absorption of levothyroxine is hugely altered by anything else in the stomach. So, if your friend is taking it with breakfast some days, and skipping breakfast other days, she wont be absorbing the same amount of the hormone each day. This would, in turn, cause significant fluctuations of her blood thyroid hormone levels, which would certainly cause significant side effects. The advice I give my patients (and something I insist on in my nursing home patients) is to always take the thyroid hormone at least a half-hour prior to breakfast in the AM, and to take it with water only.

The other caveat is that levothyroxine, unlike virtually every other medication, actually has different rates of absorption for different brands. This does not mean that the brand name is ‘better’ than the generics, but that the brand name (synthroid) will be absorbed at a different rate than, say, the Walgreens brand of generic. Also, the Walgreens brand and the CVS brand (for example) have slightly different formulations that can significantly alter absorption. So, if your friend recently changed pharmacies, or switched from synthroid to a generic, then she’ll need to adjust her dose of levothyroxine, and her doctor is going to have to do that based on her bloodwork.

Finally, I’ve noticed liothyroxine (that’s the hormone one step down the pathway from levothyroxine) has started gaining traction in treatment for hypothyroidism, both alone and in combination meds (I think Armor thyroid is a combination). I don’t prescribe these except for patients in myxedema coma (that’s the crisis that results from having too little thyroid for too long), because the liothyroxine has a very short half-life, so if your friend is on one of these, I don’t have much to add to what I’ve said above.

Hope this helps, and I hope your friend does better.

Joekster-betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
Joekster-betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
4 years ago

@Dalilama: one other thing: pregnancy will also make levothyroxine more effective. The hormones involved with pregnancy alter the level of thyroid binding hormone in the blood, and (per my recollection) the current guidelines are to cut back levothyroxine dosage by either 1/4 or 1/3 (sorry for the lack of precision. Geriatric patients don’t often get pregnant) as soon as you confirm pregnancy.

Finally, if by some chance you meant ‘hyperthyroidism’ instead of ‘hypothyroidism’, GI distress is a rather common side effect of the meds we usually use to treat hyperthyroidism. The good news is, its a transient reaction, and most patients adjust to the meds quickly.

Good luck.

Weird (not wired) Eddie
Weird (not wired) Eddie
4 years ago

Feeding frenzy continues on the Right… Megan Kelly and Sean Hannity feud over The Donald’s sudden refusal to grant interviews to reporters who ask real questions. Hannity even called Kelly a “… dirty, low-down scum sucking… (wait for it)… CLINTON SUPPORTER”!!!!

Schnookums Von Fancypants, Social Justice Wario
Schnookums Von Fancypants, Social Justice Wario
4 years ago

@Kat

Oh sorry, I should check my mailbox. See, I was too busy making the fundamental forces of nature tap out to my patented FIGURE-FOUR REALITY LOCK. As soon as I finish altering time and space MERELY BY FLEXING MY ARMS I will check my mail.

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

@Diptych: Another Fallen London player? Nifty.

Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
4 years ago

I double posted. How strange.

Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
4 years ago

So YouTube keeps showing me Trump Ads (can’t imagine why), and one of the ads states “Hillary Clinton called half of all Americans deplorable” followed by the clip of her specifying Trump supporters.

I just thought that was really telling of Trump’s ego.

Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
4 years ago

@Nequam: I used to play that a long time ago. Not sure why I stopped.

Though, I did pick up a fun mobile game yesterday called The Last Viking, and it’s got a good bit of challenge to it.

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@PI
You too? I keep getting that shitty political scare drama “Clinton’s America” on my feed. I didn’t want to see a film like that when people were thinking Obama would institute an Arabic Third Reich and rule as a God King and made a film with that premise. Why would I be interested now?

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

My coworker was distraught the other day because he’d jokingly told a friend he was voting for Trump and the friend was ready to end the friendship over it. I kept quiet but dude, if you can’t understand why voting for a racist, sexist, hot-tempered manbaby would be a friendship ender maybe that’s your privilege talking. You can afford to think of it as just politics because it’s not your life literally in danger.

Cerulean (Miss A)
Cerulean (Miss A)
4 years ago

@Joekster-betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.

This was all really fascinating to read (I’m a medical chick, been into Anatomy since I was 6 years old). I hope your info will be helpful to Dalilama’s friend.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

@Miss A: You reminded me of something awesome that happened at work today.

We’re currently selling Halloween stuff now, and an elderly couple came in and purchased a life-sized poseable skeleton.

They told me that they were purchasing it for their five-year-old grandson, who is super into anatomy and medical science. They also told me a story of him sitting down and explaining to someone in a pharmacy about how your heart isn’t shaped like <3

It was so adorable, and then I ruined it with a dad joke.

"Why are skeletons always grinning? Because they find everything to be so humerus.”

They both groaned and rolled their eyes. I was just waiting to use that joke on someone, and I’m glad Mr. Bonejangles (who I named because I had to stand at the register and stare at him for seven and a half hours a day, so I might as well) now has a loving new home with a wonderfully curious child.

Joekster-betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
Joekster-betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
4 years ago

@Miss A: Thanks 🙂

@PI: That’s a great story. It warms my limbic system to hear about kids into geeky stuff like human anatomy.

Incidentally, does anyone know where the heart shape comes from? because the kid was right: the human heart looks nothing like it.

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

1) Is Cerno trying to be Flex Mentallo or what? If he starts ranting about the color green, do let us know.

2) I’ve seen suggestions that the heart shape is sorta upside down butt.

Ross
Ross
4 years ago

I have heard rumours that the heart shape comes from roman coins. The coins have a fruit embossed on them that both looked like a scrotum and was hugely popular as a birth control method. Inverted, the coins look like our current heart shape.

The romans also had two words they liked using in place of love, amos and eros, the birth control fruit could have easily been a symbol of one, and as time goes on, symbols and meanings evolve.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silphium

Joe
Joe
4 years ago

You guys are the bomb!

That cartoon was a Charles Atlas add, about 60 years old.
http://afflictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/atlas.jpg
The add title – THE INSULT THAT MADE A MAN OUT OF “MAC” language has changed a little over the decades 🙂

Deregulating the medical field can allow much quicker change. Hopefully Trump will allow this if the opportunity presents, transhumanismist and futurist are speculating a likely future, humans will in fact have superpowers. America can be a leader in this new prosperity too.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ joe

I think if Trump is elected the medical field will consist of wandering bands of survivors looting burned out pharmacies for bandages.

That’s a form of deregulation I suppose.

Joekster: betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
Joekster: betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
4 years ago

@Joe: yeah, I gotta say, looking at it from the trenches, as it were, the primary limitations on what I can do for my patients are placed by private insurance companies and HMOs. In order to increase profits.

I’m sorry, but capitalism does not work in medicine. Capitalism only works when the consumers are able to make informed and free decisions, and not only is the US public horribly medically illiterate, but nobody in pain is in a position to make free choices. It just doesn’t work. Sorry.

M. Hungry
M. Hungry
4 years ago

Capitalism as a system sounds fine on paper until you realize two major, fundamental flaws:

1.) Capitalism is based on the idea that competition will produce better results- lower prices, higher quality, etc.- in a sort of evolution based Darwinian system of commerce.

People want to buy the cheapest product at the highest quality, so producers diversify to meet those needs- a cheap but low-end product for poor needs and bulk needs, a high quality but expensive product for the wealthy and high endurance need customers, etc.

The worst possible result for capitalism is a monopoly where the system chokes out competition by having one person dominate so badly that no one can compete. Thus, this one group, free of the singular constraint of capitalism (i.e. the competition) will then get lazy and produce bad quality goods for too much.

2.) Monopolies are capitalism’s natural result. A capitalist in the system wants to beat everyone else and get more of the pie- and it’s so much easier to do that as a monopoly. It’s also easy to go around to your competition and just MAKE A DEAL with them; unlike in normal evolution, this isn’t a blind process, but a directed one, and human choice is powerful. A monopoly is safer for a capitalist, and the capitalist’s only concern is the safety of their bottom line- so even if it’s worse for the system as a whole, it’s BETTER for the individual capitalist actor, and so they’ll go for it.

It’s not just medicine that capitalism doesn’t work with. Pure capitalism is untenable, though variant systems may have value.

Joekster-betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
Joekster-betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
4 years ago

@ M. Hungry: I suppose I automatically think of ‘capitalism’ as ‘capitalism with anti-trust laws’. I realize that’s not pure capitalism, as you said, but it’s what I grew up with. At some level, there always needs to be some way to prevent big people from taking advantage of the little people.

Maybe the problem with how capitalism is applied to US medicine is that the only real checks on it here are handled via malpractice and the insurance companies? I think it’s more than that, though.