Clinton-Trump Debate Open Thread

I haven’t yet seen it (combination of a) it was 2am in the UK, b) my broadband was acting up, and c) my mum was staying on the sofa bed in the room with the TV so watching on that would have been tantamount to matricide). But my broadband is allegedly back, so I shall be sitting down shortly, with either popcorn or Anita Sarkeesian popcorn gifs.

I understand the Donald is already casting aspersions on the moderator (despite what he said beforehand) and saying the audience in the room couldn’t hear what he was saying due to a faulty microphone. Lucky the electorate were largely watching on TV, rather than live, then, eh Donald?

But it calls to mind a well-known phrase or saying about a bad workman and the allocation of responsibility for less than perfect results. Maybe you know it.

@Alan (a while ago)

I love that question. Does anyone here know how to get it in front of the second debate moderators?

The thing about Clinton being over-prepared really strikes me as basic sexism.

I have a hard time imagining the news saying a man that competent was over-prepared. He would just be, you know, prepared.

Some reputable polling results about the debate, with breakdowns by gender and race.

“Among white voters the debate was basically a draw with Trump coming out ahead 47/45.”

Fuckin hell, white people.

@dlouwe

“Among white voters the debate was basically a draw with Trump coming out ahead 47/45.”

Fuckin hell, white people.

Like I said recently in another thread, I think probably at least 75% of the problems in the U.S., probably more, can basically be traced to white people being really fucking racist. I’m not even joking anymore when I say that we probably ought to just take the vote away from white people for 50 or 100 years, just until someone can get some proper civilisation going ’round here. I say this as a white person; I’m willing to take one for the team and give up my vote too.

Weatherwax:

I understand the Donald is already casting aspersions on the moderator (despite what he said beforehand) and saying the audience in the room couldn’t hear what he was saying due to a faulty microphone. Lucky the electorate were largely watching on TV, rather than live, then, eh Donald?

Also, he may have seemed under-prepared, but that’s just because the dog ate his homework.

Dalillama:

Kopi Luwak, which has been passed by a palm civet. It’s my understanding that originally it was the coffee of the extremely poor, who couldn’t afford to buy it and had to scavenge beans from animal feces (despite being the ones who actually grew the damn coffee; the Dutch plantation owners kept all the cash and prohibited the workers picking any for themselves.)

Please don’t buy this coffee! Since it became popular, Indonesian coffee producers have turned to intensive farming to produce it. The civets are kept in tiny cages and fed a terrible diet consisting mostly of coffee beans. They suffer horribly. If you care at all about animal welfare, avoid this coffee.

Just wanted to pop in and say thanks, Jaygee, for the transcript link! I wasn’t able to watch yesterday.

skybison:

Trump is now saying he lost the debate because he had a very bad microphone. I’m not sure how a bad microphone made him attack Rosie O’Donnell for no reason, interrupt Hillary with “You’re Wrong” like a five year old every two minutes, fail to know that sinking other countries ships is an act of war etc… but I guess it did.

No no no no, see, it was a bad microphone because it was on. If it was off, nobody would’ve heard all that.

@Snowberry:

Wasn’t paying much attention during the 2008 primaries, was Clinton being racist towards Obama back then?

My vague recollection is that there was some racist commentary coming out of Clinton’s campaign staff, but nothing really notable from Clinton herself. (Much like there was some commentary towards Sanders this time around.) When you get a group large enough to run a campaign, some of whom are taking this very personally, you are unfortunately likely to have a few people involved who say things the campaign as a whole would rather disavow.

Of course, there was also some misogynistic commentary coming from Obama’s campaign staff at the time, but again, nothing I recall from Obama himself.

@PoM
The debates, the election, and now the very fabric of time are rigged against them. Ha! Lovely…