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Watch mad clown Milo melt down during his Out Magazine photoshoot

Mad Milo mansplains feminism to Amanda Marcotte, in drag
Mad Milo mansplains feminism to Amanda Marcotte, in drag.

One of the many strange things about Breitbart’s alleged “tech editor” Milo Yiannopoulos is how much he cares about convincing people he doesn’t care.

The self-described “provocateur” even dressed up as a literal clown for his recent profile in Out Magazine.

You’ve no doubt heard about the Out piece already; it’s been a teensy bit controversial. But what you probably didn’t know is that Salon sent a camera crew to his photoshoot with photographer Jill Greenberg. And that along with the camera crew they sent writer (and friend of We Hunted the Mammoth) Amanda Marcotte.

“Perhaps I got a bit caught up in his self-mythologizing,” she writes in her account of what followed, “which is why I thought he would have some fun answering provocative questions while he was getting his picture taken.”

Turns out Milo did not have much fun with her questions:

I never did get good answers to my questions, though I did learn that Yiannopoulos likes to reduce feminism to “angry lesbians” supposedly tricking naive young women into getting too fat to get boyfriends.

But I did learn one important fact: Milo Yiannopoulos is not playing around. He is utterly sincere about his far right views.

He is sincere enough that he lectured me for about 15 minutes, and got so caught up in the moment that he seemingly forgot that he was half-naked while wearing a wig and make-up. He was sincere enough to get genuinely wound up during this time.

Ultimately, he was having so little fun with her questions that he — perhaps channeling his idol Donald Trump — threw a fit and demanded she leave the premises.

He was so sincere that, when the Salon team shut off the cameras in order to move into another vantage point, he demanded that I leave the room, refused to answer any more questions, and called me a “bitch.”

The best part of all this? You can watch some of these testy exchanges on video over on Salon. There are two different versions of the video posted there; the one at the top has more Milo in it.

Turns out Milo is not so much a sad clown as a mad clown.

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Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

I value good epistemology–and openness to honest disagreement–over whatever is going on here

Let it go, Axe. Just ignore it. Don’t say it. You wanna say it, but don’t. It’s over, Axe, let it go…

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

I’m wondering if there isn’t any use of “woman” by KafkaNoMore that means more than “female person”? I suspect their language is not implicitly including trans women.

I can’t say my grasp is perfect, but until someone helps me farthur I tend to divide things into types of ways that people can be and how we react to and accommodate one another:
*male/female (anatomy, I don’t ignore intersex but am unsure of how to incorperate)
*man/woman (instincts/social roles, personality dispositions…spectrums)
*sexual orientation (physical attraction, spectrums)

And more beyond this example.
*sexual attraction (presence/absence spectrum)
*romantic attraction
*…

This is not about Milo, I do not know enough about them to say. This is about the number of ways that a feminine male person might come to be habitually bigoted towards feminine female persons and female persons.

Sure, some probably wish they were feminine female people, but there is more than one path to bigotry than envy. From what I have read about homophobia there is more than one general type of homophobe, and while this is misogyny one of those types involve a person who somehow ended up homophobic and showed evidence of same sex attractions. And they came from authoritarian backgrounds.

I can easily imagine a person learning to socially survive by outwardly opposing what they were all the harder to keep hidden, and then finding an outlet for how they learned to behave that shares elements of how they were used to acting.

And I’m sure there are more than two ways to become someone like Milo.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

Especially if manifestations can be seen in everyday life. But yeah, thank you for the discussion and good luck.

This is sort of the problem, right here! It’s a textbook example of confirmation bias in action, in that it allows you to see the thing-you-believe everywhere you look. It’s exactly the same as the ‘hypergamy theory’ that the menzers have. They really do see examples of ‘hypergamy’ everywhere, and there’s no way to disprove it, so they keep digging deeper.

Meanwhile, I know you care about the things that are discussed on this blog, and that you don’t want to be sexist or transphobic, so you do care about feminist issues. That requires clarity and a desire to be deeply attached to reality. Confirmative theories can draw you away from that, and can draw you into conflict with people that you agree with and care about. Such as what’s happened here.

I really urge you to examine why you feel so strongly about this theory, and why you want to maintain belief in it when there’s evidence against it. No anger or accusations – we all get our hangups, and I could certainly be wrong about all of this too, so don’t take my word for it. I hope that the next conversations go better! Good night.

Robert Walker-Smith
Robert Walker-Smith
4 years ago

Kafkanomore – as a cisgender white gay male, I find your incessant insistence on your pet theory* disturbing. Your ongoing refusal to consider opposing viewpoints is positively repellent. Milo can, and by rights ought to be, confronted with responsible arguments. Your inexplicable foolery does not assist in this.

*”Effeminate gay men who are misogynists are that way because of the following data from the University of Assfax. Anyone disagreeing with me is a poopyhead.”

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

Feminine cis women can be misogynists, too. Do they have womb envy?

Diptych
Diptych
4 years ago

To be honest, even if this theory were true, I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do with that information. It doesn’t lend itself naturally to a practical solution to the problem of misogyny – in fact, if anything, it suggests it’s insoluble.

Bina
4 years ago

OFFS, how many pages of flame-warring is this going to turn into?

Milo is NOT a “feminine” misogynist, he is a straight-up (sorry, GAY-up) misodge, plain and simple. He hates women and apparently blames them for his being gay (which he also hates). Meanwhile, the only woman he could legitimately blame for his predicament is his own mother, and that would be only for bringing him into this heterosexist world where a guy who’s born gay isn’t as well accepted as a guy who’s not. Which is, in fact, the REAL source of his self-loathing. It was all these macho men and their toxic, heteronormative, gynophobic masculinity who made him hate himself for being gay; it was not women who made him gay. Or hateful towards them out of some twisted envy of their femaleness. If he could just extricate his cheesy dye job from his ass for a minute and look around him, he would actually see that, and stop making noises about going in for conversion therapy (which does not work, seeing as Teh Ghey is not a disease, and religiously infused quackery is not a cure.)

Milo could certainly do with some counselling, and I hope he gets it. Self-acceptance and self-esteem can be learned — I know this much from experience. Sexual orientation can’t, and can’t be unlearned, either…and that is the root of all his trouble.

authorialAlchemy
authorialAlchemy
4 years ago

What the fuck Out Magazine. Why are you giving him a platform?

And transphobic, racist, self loathing, ignorant-of-queer-history people like him have no business doing drag.

Mayan
Mayan
4 years ago

Some of wonder whether Milo is even gay. It’s a good stage act, and make no mistake, he is an act, and Milo is a highly cultivated media persona.

But what if it is all an act?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

@Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

I don’t personally think it’s useful to divide up “gender” into a separate category from “sex.” This was the story told by second-wave feminists, and it served a useful purpose for them, but it doesn’t seem to be very useful today.

Not only do “gender” and “sex” exist along continuums that overlap, but there is ambiguity in the term “sex.” What does that mean, exactly? Does it mean someone’s genetic code, or the way they physically look, or the hormonal balance, or the construction of their brain? And what does it mean, exactly, to be transgender? If we discard the idea that it’s just a lark, which I do, then there is some kind of physiological difference between a trans woman and a cis man. Why does that physiological difference not matter to “biological sex” whereas “has a vagina” does?

What people usually – but not always – mean by “biological sex” is someone’s phenotype. If you look like a typical woman and you have a vagina and a uterus and ovaries, then that’s what people mean when they refer to you as having “female sex.” So why not just dispense with the term “sex” and say what we mean? “A trans woman is a woman who was born with a penis and testicles.” Yeah, it’s more words, but words are free.

That is my opinion.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

I think maybe Milo is torn over this, he wants to have what women have, to be admired and to be glamorous, but he is too afraid of losing his male privilege (reinforced by his Patriarchalist religious beliefs, and right wing doctrine) to fully become a woman. To his mind, being a woman is being a c–t and a whore. If he did not need to berate himself according to his doctrinal belief system, he would be free to enjoy his life as a trans woman. These beliefs were most probably drummed into him from childhood, so are hard for him to excise.
Maybe he should look at Caitlyn Jenner as a role model, an ex Olympian, Born again Christian, Republican, Trump supporting trans woman.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

Your baseless transmisogynistic speculation is noted, Virgin Mary.

This thread is awful.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

@visicara.

Yes it is.

Nothing nice here whatsoever.

I wish we didn’t have to discuss things like this and people could just be happy with who they are.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

No. We don’t have to discuss whether or not someone’s gender is what they say it is. In fact, we shouldn’t discuss it all. Because it’s shitty.

Diptych
Diptych
4 years ago

Policy of Madness
I don’t personally think it’s useful to divide up “gender” into a separate category from “sex.”

Hear bloody hear.

Croquembouche of patriarchy
Croquembouche of patriarchy
4 years ago

Global time zones made me late to the party again. Kind of glad in a way. If we have now reached the “tidying up afterwards” phase, I’d like to have a go at some of that.

I’ve seen KafkaNoMore comment here from time to time, for I think longer than I’ve been commenting myself. I can’t remember specifics, and didn’t remember what she had said about who she was (thanks for clarifying the gender bit of that for us, KafkaNoMore, or can I call you Kafka, or KNM?). In this context, how you identify really matters how we evaluate your comments. To help everyone evaluate mine, I’m cis, (post)het, female, white, majority ethnicity, middle aged, middle class, English first language, never borne or raised a child.

KafkaNoMore, I don’t think you are a troll. Trolls have no patience for the long con of hanging around for months or years, weaselling their way into people’s trust. They need the immediate gratification of provoking outrage. You clearly didn’t expect or hope for that.

Some people have assumed you must be a troll, because you have said some things that they – and I – find just awful. If I have the stamina after posting this, I will try to add my refutations to theirs, and try not to dogpile you. You in turn have counter-accused several people of trolling you. [Special mention to where you also accused Axecalibur of policing this forum – an MRA troll would have accused him of White Knighting. Since I’ve been here I’ve seen him speak up many times on issues that didn’t necessarily affect him intimately, then other people who were intimately affected have also spoken, and he has encouraged them to keep on speaking. If Axecalibur ever gives me the side-eye, I hope I will be giving myself a long hard look before I double down.]
When you get up in the morning, if it isn’t morning already there, please keep reading WHTM, please take the advice many have given you to put the defensiveness on hold and reevaluate what you have said. You’ve made some small efforts in this direction already. Please keep trying to keep your mind open.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

Some positivity, because I’ve been very negative throughout this thing.

Here’s to trans women. All trans women. You are important. The rest of us must, must do better by you.

Here’s to closeted trans women, who are somehow being blamed for Milo Y. Keep doing what you need to be safe. Your bravery is incredible.

Here’s to every LGBT+ person whose presentation is a lot more complicated than “like a cis straight woman” or “like a cis straight man,” but who keeps getting lumped into those boxes by cishet people who have no sense of history or nuance.

Here’s to “effeminate” gay trans men, who sure as hell aren’t jealous of women for what we supposedly have.

Here’s to every woman, trans or cis, who can’t have children. You are a woman. Giving birth is not what makes you a woman. Same to any woman who has lost one or both breasts to cancer.

AtlasSulked
AtlasSulked
4 years ago

@Richard Roller

Always way to late to these threads, but really Richard? Really?Popping ballooned egos is Milo’s superpower? Well then he needs to aim those needles self-ward because his own ego is ironically the part of him most in need of a prick.

Richard Roller
Richard Roller
4 years ago

@Atlas Sulked

Always way to late to these threads, but really Richard? Really?Popping ballooned egos is Milo’s superpower? Well then he needs to aim those needles self-ward because his own ego is ironically the part of him most in need of a prick.

Milo’s doing just fine thanks. LOL. The tumblrinas are desperate to smear him but he just gets more fabulous every day. If we want to talk about egos on Twitter in need of a bursting how about Zoe Quinn or Brianna Wu?

Richard Roller
Richard Roller
4 years ago

@authorialAlchemy

What the fuck Out Magazine. Why are you giving him a platform?

And transphobic, racist, self loathing, ignorant-of-queer-history people like him have no business doing drag.

Because noplatforming is a form of censorship. I know you SJWs love censorship but sorry for you we still have free speech in this country.

And “no business” SAYS WHO? You do not get to tell others how to express their sexual orientation. Milo can wear womens’ clothing if he wants to. Or maybe…. you just hate women.

Richard Roller
Richard Roller
4 years ago

@Scildfreja Unnýðnes

You smell like Mick Dash.

Pocket Nerd said it. Criticism ain’t silencing. And there’s lots about Milo to criticize. Or should we just shut up and close our eyes when we see something that we think’s wrong? Tell me how much goodness that tactic has won in the past.

I don’t know what a mick dash is,c an we keep the ad homenim attacks to a minimum please. But dozens or hundreds of people colluding to shame and drown out a single person IS silencing and also it IS harassment. It’s called the Heckler Veto. There has been a coordinated hate campaign against Milo for years, ever since he dared to defy the self appointed defenders of “LGBT orthodoxy” by daring to stand up for ethics in game journalism. He is a famous and outspoken gay man who disagreed with their politics and that just wasn’t allowable…. now they’re trying to silence him.

By any means necessary.

Milo has received DEATH THREATS from people terrified of the truth he speaks.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

This thread is fucking horrible as it is. Can we ban Dick already?

Richard Roller
Richard Roller
4 years ago

@kupo

You should think about why your knee jerk reaction is to ban people who disagree with you rather than discuss with them.

Troubelle
Troubelle
4 years ago

@ Richard Rollin’ rollin’ rollin’, rollin’ rollin’ rollin’

Dude. It’s been, like….two years since #GG. “Ethics in games journalism” is a punchline, and for good reason. Using it is not helping your case.
It’s not hard to understand: just because someone is part of at least one minority doesn’t mean they can’t be just as big a jackass to someone who’s part of another minority as a member of the majority can. Milo being gay doesn’t absolve him of spewing vitriol towards…anyone.
Though I had an odd dream last night about Milo (or a friend of mine that looks oddly like him) was in my Dad’s house, shooting up codeine (with these big, old-fashioned bottles of the stuff around), complaining that he was blind and he couldn’t shut his eyes. For some reason, dream-me offered him cocaine. I think he passed.

Troubelle
Troubelle
4 years ago

@ Richard Rollin’ rollin’ rollin’, rollin’ rollin’ rollin’

Knee-jerk? A true jerk of the knee is instantaneous. You’ve been dragging your ass around here for a good while, going on and on about obvious falsehoods. Any attempt at discussion would be fruitless, as you wish to present us with your “troooooooooooof.” We’ve heard it many times, over many years, from many people that are not you. It’s ceased to be entertaining.

Richard Roller
Richard Roller
4 years ago

@Troubelle Stop listening to Gawker and the rest of the radical left media…… they are lying to you. Do your own research. Think for yourself. GamerGate is a consumer revolt against corrupt journalism. It’s expected certain news blogs and journalistic outlets would have harsh reactions to it. Very few of these sites seem interested in reaching out to prominent GamerGate figures for their side of the story…

Schnookums Von Fancypants, Social Justice Wario
Schnookums Von Fancypants, Social Justice Wario
4 years ago

I love how “Do your own research” has been stripped of all meaning these days. It’s pretty much the equivalent of “Who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes?”

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ Richard

Do your own research.

I’m not into computer games, so I only learned of gamergate from this site. That did however lead me to the ‘source material’ as it were (i.e. the stuff the gamergaters produce themselves)

And it just confirmed every allegation against them. In fact they were actually worse than the sanitised posts here suggested. They quite literally condemned themselves from their own mouths (well, keyboards).

If the only way you can rebut claims that you’re just a bunch of misogynsts is to create a cartoon girl to agree with you (then post porn and rape fantasies about her) it’s perhaps unsurprising you lost that particular debate.

Troubelle
Troubelle
4 years ago

@ Richard Rollin’ etc.
It was never about “ethics in games journalism.” It was about a jealous ex-boyfriend lying about his ex, saying that she’d slept with a reporter to get good reviews on her game, and people like you using that claim, however spurious, to incite hate against her. And it spread like a weed. Look at the people who were made to fear for their lives because of the alleged consumer revolt. Check the gender ratio. There is a divide.
And perhaps they didn’t “seem interested in reaching out to prominent GamerGate figures” because said figures already posted everything they had to say online, a, and b, they likely didn’t want to talk to such founts of bile.

Maybe you should do something of your own. Go outside. Paint a picture of a dandelion. Explore your hometown and find a nice little place you’ve never been to before. Splash around in a public fountain. Eat a nectarine. Just….have a little fun, apart from a screen and the anonymity it brings.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

Never said it had anything to do with differing opinions. Gonna be straight with you here, it was obvious from the start that you were a troll here to provoke anger. Give me a good reason why we should keep you around. You haven’t said anything we haven’t heard before. Up until you showed up again no one was asking for bans even though we were having a serious disagreement.

Richard Roller
Richard Roller
4 years ago

@Troubelle STOP LISTENING TO THE LIES OF THE BIASED MEDIA. the zoepost had very little to do with GamerGate. At best it was yet another example of collaboration and collusion within games journalism. Depression Quest like Gone Home and many many others was a terrible NON-GAME that got favorable reviews because it had the “CORRECT” politics and was made by the “CORRECT” people…. And Quinn LITERALLY WHORED HERSELF to ensure reviews were good.

Game journalism is corrupt. it is the tool of agenda driven people who wish to control the entire industry. DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK!!!

Troubelle
Troubelle
4 years ago

@ Richard rollin’ etc.

We’re all just waiting until you use the term “sheeple.”

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wake_up_sheeple.png

Also, just out of curiosity: what gender do you assume I am?

Schnookums Von Fancypants, Social Justice Wario
Schnookums Von Fancypants, Social Justice Wario
4 years ago

“Now we’re just waiting for the judges score”

“Ooh, likes like 2.5 out of 10 from the judges. The use of caps were a nice touch, but the routine was way too derivative. As you know, the Mammoth Olympics prize creativity and novelty in the Trolling Event, and Richard Roller had neither. But wait…what’s this? A shocking score of 8.5 from our Russian Judge! Perhaps Roller has a shot at a medal after all!”

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

I’m not going to touch the previous conversation at all, so let’s just swat some trolls.

Richard Roller | September 23, 2016 at 8:59 am
Milo’s doing just fine thanks. LOL. The tumblrinas are desperate to smear him but he just gets more fabulous every day.

Ooooh, that’s a new one! “You post on tumblr!” Such insult. Much burn.

Are you sure you’re not one of Milo’s interns? Or are you just a garden-variety fanboi who wishes Milo-senpai will notice him?

If we want to talk about egos on Twitter in need of a bursting how about Zoe Quinn or Brianna Wu?

Really? Care to explain how Quinn or Wu’s egos are in need of “bursting”? Why do you think that they deserve to be “burst”? What did they do that you personally find so egregious? (And no, none of GG’s repeatedly disproven talking points please. Though I know you’re going to use them anyways because “ethics”.)

Richard Roller
September 23, 2016 at 9:01 am

Because noplatforming is a form of censorship. I know you SJWs love censorship but sorry for you we still have free speech in this country.

How very interesting.

“No platforming” as adopted so far is not a violation of freedom of expression rights; there is no right to have a ready audience. Individuals do not have a right to speak wherever and whenever they want. For instance, newspapers are not obligated to publish every, or any, letter-to-the-editor they receive.

Emphasis mine.

So, no, it’s not “censorship”. Freedom of speech doesn’t imply that you get your very own soapbox and bullhorn to shout. It only implies you can’t be arrested/persecuted by the government for what you say.

Publications can refuse to speak to people. Twitter can ban people. You’re still not being “censored”.

And we “Ess-Jay-Dubbyas” aren’t the government, no matter how many red-line ridden diagrams on KiA say we are.

Besides, it’s not like Milo doesn’t have the entirety of the internet to spout his bullshit. Except twitter, of course.

And “no business” SAYS WHO? You do not get to tell others how to express their sexual orientation. Milo can wear womens’ clothing if he wants to. Or maybe…. you just hate women.

Or, maybe Milo running around in drag is very disrespectful of trans people and actual drag queens because Milo doesn’t give a shit about them and will throw them under the bus to get attention.

Last I checked, dressing as the opposite gender isn’t a form of “expressing sexual orientation”, but rather a form of gender expression. The way you “express your sexual orientation” is by being sexually attracted to people who your sexual orientation covers. I would think a self-described gay man would understand this, but then again, we are discussing Milo, so maybe not.

In Milo’s case, he can express his sexual orientation by being sexually attracted to men, instead of abusing bullshit stereotypes and throwing trans people, among others, under the bus so he can be “edgy”.

Richard Roller | September 23, 2016 at 9:07 am

I don’t know what a mick dash is,c an we keep the ad homenim attacks to a minimum please.

Mick Dash is another troll we had yapping in other threads.

And I’m going to add ad hominem to the list of things you don’t understand. Though, that’s typical for trolls.

We are addressing your arguments. It’s not our fault you’re not listening. “You can lead a horse to water”, and all that.

But dozens or hundreds of people colluding to shame and drown out a single person IS silencing and also it IS harassment. It’s called the Heckler Veto.

Except no one’s “drowning” out Milo (let alone “dozens” or “hundreds” of people compared to the, what, thousands he’s got in his pulpit?) He’s still very capable of being heard. He’s still got plenty of platforms to speak and his voice is being heard.

Also, disagreement =/= shame. No one here is trying to “shame” Milo. We’re vocally disagreeing with him because we feel like he’s an asshole.

Is that not allowed now?

There has been a coordinated hate campaign against Milo for years, ever since he dared to defy the self appointed defenders of “LGBT orthodoxy” by daring to stand up for ethics in game journalism.

Please. GG is as much about “games journalism” as a lump of mozarella. It started as a harassment campaign, it’ll always be a harassment campaign.

Though, I’d like to leave this Storify here.

Oh, and speaking of coordinated hate campaigns, how are Zoe Quinn, Brianna Wu, and Anita Sarkeesian doing?

He is a famous and outspoken gay man who disagreed with their politics and that just wasn’t allowable…. now they’re trying to silence him.

By any means necessary.

Lookit the martyrdom on this one. You’re trying so hard to convince us that we’re the bad guys and we’re trying to “silence” Milo.

Then how come he’s still talking?

If we SJWs are so big and bad and powerful, why is Milo still allowed to speak? Why is he still famous?

Milo has received DEATH THREATS from people terrified of the truth he speaks.

Really? Where’s the documentation? I’d like to see some of these DEATH THREATS as he received them.

Because Anita’s posted a week of hers. And Zoe’s posted some of hers on her twitter. And so has Brianna.

Not to mention all three of these women have actually been stalked by members of GG.

Oh, or is Milo not “a professional victim” and all that?

Or can I pull a GG and claim “false flag” or “No real member of the LGBT+ community would do that! They’re pretending to make us look bad!” or “Milo made all those up! He’s making fake accounts to harass himself!”

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/mlp/images/2/20/Fluttershy_can't_hold_in_her_laughter_S5E7.png

Oh gosh. Right! From the top them. Mr. Rich Roller. I’ll be brief. I’ll even enumerate my points!

1) I didn’t use any ad hominems! You will notice this by the fact that I actually addressed your points, instead of just being mean and calling you a doody-head or something! Other people on this board are good at that, that’s not really my style.

(If I decide that I want to insult someone, I tend to do it long form, so you’ll know if it happens.)

2) The Heckler’s Veto happens when the government uses mockery and ridicule to deny someones’ freedom of speech. That did not happen here!

3) Your position on no-platforming (that it is censorship) is misinformed! Do you think that, for example, medical conferences need to give time and space to crystal healers, or that psychology conferences need to give a platform to astrologers?

Milo has his own platform in a number of places – he can start his own blog, he can use twitter (it works even if you don’t have a checkmark, as it turns out!), or any other mediums that we can all use. No one is obligated to give him space on their own forums, but he’s free to carve out his own. The fact that you know who he is and have heard his opinions is a pretty strong indicator of this!

4) I learned about GamerGate from a number of sources. Like Alan said, the strongest evidence I ran across were the text logs from #BurgersAndFries from around when GamerGate was actually happening. GamerGate is about harassing women, which is why the only noteworthy things it’s even done has been the harassment of women.

There’s more to say but I doubt it’d be worthwhile to say it! So I’ll leave you with that. Now, the open question is – is he gonna elide past to a new topic, or is he gonna double down? I’m takin bets people!

LindsayIrene
4 years ago

It’s almost touching that RickRoller is still out there beating the bloated, stinking equine corpse that is GamerGate. He’s like a modern day Don Quixote or something.

Makroth - Agent of the Great Degeneracy
Makroth - Agent of the Great Degeneracy
4 years ago

@Never gonna give you up

My article about trans people being mind-controlled by aliens from Nibiru has yet to be published in the National Geographic magazine. Those no-platforming assholes!

Censorship!

CENSORSHIP!!!!!

http://triadmomsonmain.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/crybaby.png

Troubelle
Troubelle
4 years ago

@Scildfreja
I’ll put down two smackers and a butterscotch candy on “will vaguely address you and PI’s posts before slobbering over me and doing something silly.”

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

Gosh, I was slow, and more has happened. Welp! Waiting for the coffee to percolate here. I’m just going to address this, since Paradoxy’s doing her usual bang-up job.

And Quinn LITERALLY WHORED HERSELF to ensure reviews were good.

Can you, pray tell, point us to this review that she WHORED HERSELF for? This review that is the spark for the GamerGate ‘movement’? Could you let us see where it is, so that we can read the bias bubbling out of the glowing lines of praise? Maybe?

(Oh, right, it doesn’t exist, because her ex-boyfriend made that up. The guy that she hooked up with never wrote a review of her game, and if memory serves me, wasn’t even a games journalist at the time.)

Grab us a link of that, if you could! Since we’re all so embedded in the twisty radical librul media, and all, it’s hard for us to find, but I’m sure a truth-seeker like you can dig it up in a moment, right?

PocketNerd
PocketNerd
4 years ago
Reply to  LindsayIrene

Thus Spake ZaraLindsayIrene:

It’s almost touching that RickRoller is still out there beating the bloated, stinking equine corpse that is GamerGate. He’s like a modern day Don Quixote or something.

He certainly seemed eager to turn the discussion to the GrottyGoobers, which makes me suspect that was his intention all along.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ makroth

My article about trans people being mind-controlled by aliens from Nibiru has yet to be published in the National Geographic magazine

Well, it did go downhill a bit when Fox Media bought it.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Richard Roller | September 23, 2016 at 9:33 am
@Troubelle Stop listening to Gawker and the rest of the radical left media…… they are lying to you. Do your own research. Think for yourself.

“THINK FOR YOURSELF!” Shouts the internet citizen who uncritically swallows all of GamerGate’s talking points.

GamerGate is a consumer revolt against corrupt journalism.

See, here’s the thing: I actually do, as a gamer, think that there are problems with gaming journalism.

I think we have problems with companies blackmailing and harming reviewers to get good scores, I think we have problems with games being expected to get certain scores, and if they don’t then the reviewer responsible for the “travesty” gets harassed by their readers, and possibly penalized by their publications, usually by losing their job, I feel like we have problems with the military complex using video games to promote themselves and try to coerce people into joining the military.

I don’t think the problem is “This one game I didn’t like got a better score than I think it deserved.”

It’s expected certain news blogs and journalistic outlets would have harsh reactions to it.

Confirmation bias in action. “Of course they wouldn’t like what we’re doing! We’re in the right, they’re evil!”

Very few of these sites seem interested in reaching out to prominent GamerGate figures for their side of the story…

Most likely because, by GG’s own admission, there aren’t that many figures who GG can all agree are their actual “prominent figures”.

Or do you not remember Airplay?

Richard Roller | September 23, 2016 at 9:52 am
@Troubelle STOP LISTENING TO THE LIES OF THE BIASED MEDIA. the zoepost had very little to do with GamerGate. At best it was yet another example of collaboration and collusion within games journalism.

Except it didn’t happen. Kotaku never reviewed her game. The journalist she was supposedly sleeping with never wrote about her game.

But, who can let facts stand in the way of “ethics”, right?

Depression Quest like Gone Home and many many others was a terrible NON-GAME that got favorable reviews because it had the “CORRECT” politics and was made by the “CORRECT” people….

“STOP LIKING WHAT I DON’T LIKE!!!!”

This is literally what you sound like right now. You don’t like Gone Home or Depression Quest, and you’re entitled to that and I’m not going to take that away from you, but people are having opinions that don’t mirror yours, and this is apparently an egregious, heinous, crime to you.

You sound like the assholes who complain that [insert minority here] got into college instead of you, and instead of thinking that maybe they were the better canidate, you just huff and holler about how it must have been because they were [minority], and not because, you know, they worked just as hard as you, or they filled out the paperwork faster, or they had extracurricular activities on their record you didn’t bother to get.

This is the thing that always gets me: GG claims it wants “objective reviews”, but that’s fucking impossible to do when reviewing a piece of media.

You can have objective points in a review, but even those are going to be tainted by the opinion of the person writing the review.

At the end of the day, people read reviews to hear if a game is good from a writer. And that writer, despite all of their experience and in-depth looks, can only look at you and say “I liked it”, or “I didn’t like it”. The rest is just reasoning.

And Quinn LITERALLY WHORED HERSELF to ensure reviews were good.

Can you prove that she slept with journalists for reviews of her game?

Because in all the years GG has been shrieking, I’ve yet to see any goddamned proof.

Game journalism is corrupt. it is the tool of agenda driven people who wish to control the entire industry. DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK!!!

Here’s the other thing that gets me about GG: WE’VE ALREADY DONE OUR FUCKING HOMEWORK.

You know what our homework told us? You’re full of shit.

I’ve been a gamer ever since I was old enough to hold a GameBoy in my hands. This is important to me. So, I did my fucking research.

You know what my research showed me? GG is nothing more than a group of angry, awful people who spend their time bemoaning the fact that people like games that they don’t like, and harass and intimidate anyone who doesn’t agree with them, sometimes into silence. Not only that, but they’ll side with anyone who gives them the slightest bit of positive attention, even if those people treated gamers like shit before.

Milo, Roosh, Jack fucking Thompson.

They have set us back a decade, easily. Game archival is now seen as a joke. Gamers are seen as angry, rabid jerks who spend too much time in their mother’s basement. People who aren’t gamers aren’t seeing games as a form of art anymore, and won’t even consider it.

GG fucked games. GG fucked gamers.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is simply “misinformed”, Richard. And perhaps, if enough people say you’re wrong, you should maybe do some more homework of your own.

Troubelle
Troubelle
4 years ago

Thank you, Paradoxical Intention. Thank you very much. I doubt he’ll listen, but someone will.

Still waiting for an answer, Rollin’.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

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booburry
booburry
4 years ago

“I wish we didn’t have to discuss things like this and people could just be happy with who they are.”

How my racist coworkers sound when talking about black oppression.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

My days of not taking Rick Roll seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

Troubelle
Troubelle
4 years ago

@WWTH
We’re no strangers to love
You know the rules, and so do I
A full commitment’s what I’m thinking of
You wouldn’t get this from any other guy
I just wanna tell you how I’m feeling
Gotta make you understand

…Huh. It’s just the tinest bit fitting, though far better in Rick Astley’s intended context.

PocketNerd
PocketNerd
4 years ago

Thus Spake ZaraParadoxical Intention – Resident Cheeseburger Slut (boy howdy, that’s a mouthful — yes, pun intended):

“STOP LIKING WHAT I DON’T LIKE!!!!”

This is literally what you sound like right now. You don’t like Gone Home or Depression Quest, and you’re entitled to that and I’m not going to take that away from you, but people are having opinions that don’t mirror yours, and this is apparently an egregious, heinous, crime to you.

Jim Sterling (who is rad, partly because he’s one of the very few visibly non-heterosexual men working in games journalism) has mentioned nothing gets him more hate mail than liking games other people don’t like. Frex, he still gets foaming-at-the-mouth mad emails raging at him for his positive review of the Devil May Cry reboot a few years back.

Having official Stuff To Hate seems very important to gamerbro tribalism.

I’ve been a gamer ever since I was old enough to hold a GameBoy in my hands.

Pfft. Noob. I was exposed to Pong in utero. I win all the old school cred. 😉

(((Hambeast))) Now With Extra Parentheses
(((Hambeast))) Now With Extra Parentheses
4 years ago

I left yesterday to go to dinner and visit with friends. Stuff with Kafka went downhill over night. Now I’m sorry for having engaged her yesterday and contributing to making this thread into a bad time. Y’all did a great job of trying to educate Kafka, I hope she can get something out of it.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

Creepyastley is the best Astley