One of the many strange things about Breitbart’s alleged “tech editor” Milo Yiannopoulos is how much he cares about convincing people he doesn’t care.
The self-described “provocateur” even dressed up as a literal clown for his recent profile in Out Magazine.
You’ve no doubt heard about the Out piece already; it’s been a teensy bit controversial. But what you probably didn’t know is that Salon sent a camera crew to his photoshoot with photographer Jill Greenberg. And that along with the camera crew they sent writer (and friend of We Hunted the Mammoth) Amanda Marcotte.
“Perhaps I got a bit caught up in his self-mythologizing,” she writes in her account of what followed, “which is why I thought he would have some fun answering provocative questions while he was getting his picture taken.”
Turns out Milo did not have much fun with her questions:
I never did get good answers to my questions, though I did learn that Yiannopoulos likes to reduce feminism to “angry lesbians” supposedly tricking naive young women into getting too fat to get boyfriends.
But I did learn one important fact: Milo Yiannopoulos is not playing around. He is utterly sincere about his far right views.
He is sincere enough that he lectured me for about 15 minutes, and got so caught up in the moment that he seemingly forgot that he was half-naked while wearing a wig and make-up. He was sincere enough to get genuinely wound up during this time.
Ultimately, he was having so little fun with her questions that he — perhaps channeling his idol Donald Trump — threw a fit and demanded she leave the premises.
He was so sincere that, when the Salon team shut off the cameras in order to move into another vantage point, he demanded that I leave the room, refused to answer any more questions, and called me a “bitch.”
The best part of all this? You can watch some of these testy exchanges on video over on Salon. There are two different versions of the video posted there; the one at the top has more Milo in it.
Turns out Milo is not so much a sad clown as a mad clown.
@Humbeast
I agree with you to a certain degree (you can be very feminine as a man but you don’t have to desire to be a woman).
On the other side, I believe that this only applies if you’re comfortable with yourself. If extreme misogyny is involved, it means that you (misogynist feminine men) percieve women as a threat to your own feminine integrity, as one type of femininity is socially seen as “real” the (female) and the other as fake (feminine men), and I believe that complexes can arise there that turn into misogyny.
@KafkaNoMore, you’re right, you didn’t speak in a universal, you were talking about your thoughts about a subset. I’m sorry I suggested otherwise.
(This said, I really don’t think it’s useful or helpful to talk about “effeminate gay men who want to be women.” (((Hambeast))) is being more articulate than me right now, so I’ll leave it to you two for that)
PocketNerd seems to be getting pushed to the end of the comment thread. I think there may be other comment order issues, but I’m not sure.
Kafka – If that were the case, then why does Milo display so much fat woman hate? Surely us hambeasties are no threat to his feminine integrity?
@Viscaria
I don’t talk about gay men, trans-women and effeminate gay men. I also don’t want to come of as prejudicial.
I talk about effeminate gay men that are misogynists. I believe that they view women as a threat to their own femininity, therefore they have to slander it.
But I agree to a small extent with you, that men are perfectly capable of being misogynists on that basis alone.
Except…that isn’t an opinion. It’s a statement of fact. It could be a correct or incorrect statement of fact, but it’s not”I think Zamphir, Master of the Pan Flute is more enjoyable than The Genitorturers.” is an opinion. Unless I state that I was lying, you can’t really tell me that I’m correct or incorrect, only that I have a differing opinion.
But putting “I believe” in front of “feminine misogynist men have a desire to be women.” doesn’t make it an opinion. Now, you’d have to further flesh out the statement , but it’s something that can be tested in some fashion, independent on if you believe it or not.
This isn’t intended to just be some grammar policing on my part. See, statements of fact have to be backed up. They can be shown to be true or false (I am generalizing quite a bit, I do understand, for the sake of my larger point.) Opinions, on the other hand, don’t need to be defended. The convention is that “Everyone is entitled to your own opinion.”
Now, if you were to say “My experience with feminine misogynist men have shown them to desire being a women.” now that’s different. Of course, someone might ask “How many such experiences have you had.” or bring up the whole anecdote =/= Data thing. But at least it wouldn’t be incorrectly trying to pass off a statement of fact as an opinion.
@Humbeast
It could be (my personal armchair parapsychological view :-)) that fat women still have vaginas and can bear their own children, he can’t. And many men will prefer a fat women over Milo for that reason alone.
So he loses not just to women, but to fat women as well…
@Schnookums
We will have to disagree what a statement of fact is and what an opinion is. I have stated many times that this is my personal theory, that this is what I believe , from some experience that I have with such men).
And nothing has been represented here that could make me think different (which also works vice versa), others here can say that they don’t agree with my arguments…which is perfectly ok as well…
@Scildfreja
*a tad embarrassed* Yeah…
@Viscaria + Schnookums
Perfectly put
@Kafka
Anyone got that Assfax University diploma?
Too late
The implication being that “fat women” and “women” are separate categories. Imma just assume you didn’t mean it that way, but like… Come on, now…
KafkaNoMore – I seem to have become Humbeast. If it’s because you feel disrespected that I’ve abbreviated your nym, I apologize. I’m a lazy bones as well as an actual hambeast! (Now, there’s a correlation I can work out)
Well, there’s your problem!
See, we don’t do that here; neither in the earthly realm nor in the afterlife. It’s in the comments policy and everything. I kind of thought that was where this was going, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt until I was sure.
@ Pocket Nerd
Well, it appears the Internet Gods* appear to be punishing you by pushing all your comments to the bottom.
*Note: May be actual science and not the work of quasi-magical, possibly-imagined, religious entities as it appears to my untrained eye.
I think the feminine gay men, like Milo, just want it all. They appropriate ‘women’s stuff’ because they are greedy. They want attention and wearing sparkly stuff and doing their nails gets it for them. They are just jealous because their right wing Biblical Gender roles society says they can’t have it, they can play with guns and train sets while their sisters play with Barbie and plait each other’s hair. They don’t realise these binary gender roles do not actually exist, except to their Patriarchalist cults.
@Hambeast, it is late at night here where I am, so I apologize for that name misspelling
No, you have misunderstood. Just your question about fat women and how it relates to integrity threat is my personal armchair parapshychological view) as this to some extent contradicts the previous posts…
– since you apply that fat women can’t be feminine (that’s what I get from your writing) – I don’t agree with that
@Axecalibur don’t troll me.
It is not hard to understand that in the post above (but to fat women as well) I talk from Milo’s point of view, as he dislikes fat women more than thin ones. So he doesn’t just lose to women that he hates, but also to women that he hates even more. It can’t be hard to comprehend that.
And now bye bye. Troll others here
Aside to PocketNerd: tags use angle brackets here.
Okay, I don’t really condone negative comments on appearance or age but
No, also.
@Virgin Mary
That’s also an interesting theory. But why do you think that they appropriate the women’s stuff because they are greedy, instead of that he truly indentifies with it?
This is some massive anti-trans rhetoric here. How is everyone talking to this troll as if all these words deserve to be taken seriously?
THANK YOU.
Could…. could Milo be about to fall apart by the seams? Could he really, genuinely, believe tge thing about evil lesbians and there not being a female orgasm?
This irony could sustain me for weeks
@Humbeast
I must correct myself. I don’t claim (copyright) to that parapsycholocical analysis. Nor to anything that I have said.
I very losely base it on Brutal: Manhood and the Exploitation by Brian Luke
@Policy
Only if you apply that all trans people are misogynists. (Which is nowhere to be true)
I never claimed (nor do I think) that feminine men want to be women.
I talk about feminine misogynists. I have come to believe this from personal encounters with such men. And over some literature I’ve been reading. I haven’t been mentioning the literature before, as my opinion is only losely based on that. But if you are interested, I have writen the name of the book in the post above.
Really enjoying this A+ discussion about all the ways that femme-y gay men are bad and greedy and not real men u guise.
Next: what’s up with lesbians and those comfortable shoes? Also, bi women: liars, or really slutty liars?
@Viscaria
Since you’re partially referring to my post. Not femmy gay men, but femmy misogynists.
Most (the wast majority od femmy gay men are amazing, allies to women)
Honestly, I kind of go by Laurie Penny’s take on the whole Yiannopoulis trainwreck. I don’t think he believes in much besides stroking his ego and feeding his desperate need for attention. I think he doesn’t like himself very much, and his reaction is to pander to the frothing hordes of online trolls that tell him they admire him, because their admiration is a substitute for a healthy self-image and self esteem. I think he maybe kind of believes some of it, but any sincere beliefs he may have are utterly dwarfed by his need for attention. I think his obsession with his own internet pseudo-fame has utterly dwarfed any beliefs he might have sincerely held.
Did you ever see that interview he did a few years back with David Mitchell and Boy George? He talks about being gay with such self-loathing and misery. I mean, I know he’s an odious little man, but unlike Roosh V or Davis Aurini or any of the other alt-right prickbags, I never feel much anger towards Yiannopoulis. Every episode or outburst he has I just think… wow… you’re a really sad little man.
@KafkaNoMore
Are you trying to say that misogynist feminine gay men wish they were cis women? The words you are using don’t really make sense from a trans-inclusive POV.
Edit: Reworded to be less awkward.